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***OFFICIAL WIS XIV DRAFT THREAD*** (1 Viewer)
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Sammy3469
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You really have to give them a little longs (usually 1/3rd to half a year) before saying they're horrible and even then that may be too early. I've had guys that have been brutal for the first half the year be lights out the second half. Long A/Long B basically means the Long A guy will come in as long as he isn't fatigued. I think most people have decided that its best to just set all you good relievers as SetupA and let the sim mix and matchThe sim does have a small bonus for hitting against your opposite side, so there is some benefit of switching up the lineups.NOOB ALERT NOOB ALERT.How long do you go to get a good sample for pitching? I think my 4th starter is a mistake - yes 1 game lol.How does the sim choose between Long A, Long B etc? Similar question for defense - how long do you go until you swap out a hitter against a lefty for example. My lineups don't change lefty vs righty much but I think I may want to shake it up, I need actually spend more than 2 minutes looking at stuff obviously. Just looking for some advice.Thanks. Probably the only time I can say I'm in first so I'll do so now.Intangibles Wins Championships!!!
belljr
Footballguy
Intereseting. I think I can get on here at work - which is surprising so I'll have to consider that. I'm not sure one guy is better than the other, I just went with what the sim recommended but changed a couple.ThanksYou really have to give them a little longs (usually 1/3rd to half a year) before saying they're horrible and even then that may be too early. I've had guys that have been brutal for the first half the year be lights out the second half. Long A/Long B basically means the Long A guy will come in as long as he isn't fatigued. I think most people have decided that its best to just set all you good relievers as SetupA and let the sim mix and matchThe sim does have a small bonus for hitting against your opposite side, so there is some benefit of switching up the lineups.NOOB ALERT NOOB ALERT.
How long do you go to get a good sample for pitching? I think my 4th starter is a mistake - yes 1 game lol.
How does the sim choose between Long A, Long B etc?
Similar question for defense - how long do you go until you swap out a hitter against a lefty for example. My lineups don't change lefty vs righty much but I think I may want to shake it up, I need actually spend more than 2 minutes looking at stuff obviously. Just looking for some advice.
Thanks.
Probably the only time I can say I'm in first so I'll do so now.
Intangibles Wins Championships!!!
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Eephus
Footballguy
Pitch counts are more important than reliever roles IMO, with the exception of low IP freaks if you want to use them only in SV situations.Sammy3469 said:You really have to give them a little longs (usually 1/3rd to half a year) before saying they're horrible and even then that may be too early. I've had guys that have been brutal for the first half the year be lights out the second half. Long A/Long B basically means the Long A guy will come in as long as he isn't fatigued. I think most people have decided that its best to just set all you good relievers as SetupA and let the sim mix and matchThe sim does have a small bonus for hitting against your opposite side, so there is some benefit of switching up the lineups.belljr said:NOOB ALERT NOOB ALERT.How long do you go to get a good sample for pitching? I think my 4th starter is a mistake - yes 1 game lol.How does the sim choose between Long A, Long B etc? Similar question for defense - how long do you go until you swap out a hitter against a lefty for example. My lineups don't change lefty vs righty much but I think I may want to shake it up, I need actually spend more than 2 minutes looking at stuff obviously. Just looking for some advice.Thanks. Probably the only time I can say I'm in first so I'll do so now.Intangibles Wins Championships!!!
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I guess, but I'd rather just let the SIM pick who it thinks is the best non-fatigues non-closer reliever I have left and use as much of him as possible. I've never had much success micromanaging any of my pitching staff besides the starters.Then again I've never won any of these, so what do I knowPitch counts are more important than reliever roles IMO, with the exception of low IP freaks if you want to use them only in SV situations.Sammy3469 said:You really have to give them a little longs (usually 1/3rd to half a year) before saying they're horrible and even then that may be too early. I've had guys that have been brutal for the first half the year be lights out the second half. Long A/Long B basically means the Long A guy will come in as long as he isn't fatigued. I think most people have decided that its best to just set all you good relievers as SetupA and let the sim mix and matchThe sim does have a small bonus for hitting against your opposite side, so there is some benefit of switching up the lineups.belljr said:NOOB ALERT NOOB ALERT.How long do you go to get a good sample for pitching? I think my 4th starter is a mistake - yes 1 game lol.How does the sim choose between Long A, Long B etc? Similar question for defense - how long do you go until you swap out a hitter against a lefty for example. My lineups don't change lefty vs righty much but I think I may want to shake it up, I need actually spend more than 2 minutes looking at stuff obviously. Just looking for some advice.Thanks. Probably the only time I can say I'm in first so I'll do so now.Intangibles Wins Championships!!!
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shake zula
Footballguy
simlive ladies?
boubucarow
Footballguy
Live
Sammy3469
Footballguy
its usually your worst guy...so if you have 5 SPs it's your 5th SP
Eephus
Footballguy
You don't need a mop up pitcher. If you have a pitcher with adequate IP/162 and IP/G, just set his inning available setting to any.
boubucarow
Footballguy
Now at 4-3. Took 2 of 3 from Shake in simlive. Fisk and Davis finally homered.
belljr
Footballguy
but what do I set him too? Keep him MOP UP or long a etc?My guy has 192/162 and 5.25/9
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
So, how does the sim handle fatigue with live simmed games mixed in with non-live games?
Doug B
Footballguy
I think I screwed up my starting pitching on both squads. I had planned to use two real-life half-season starters as my fifth starter on both teams ... but I see there is no way to use either split starters or tandem starters on a five-man staff ( 
).
I could micro-manage this -- trouble is, I'm not getting enough available pitches because the sim thinks I'm making an 18-real-life-starts guy throw for 30+ starts. Thus, my part-time starters are tiring out after 40 or so pitches (whereas if I could use either the splt or tandem options, I'd get closer to 80). How is this meant to be managed in the sim? Or can it be automanaged by Sparky at all?
Also -- does anyone know if there are now issues with using a real-life half-season starter as a closer in the sim? This used to be OK, but I seem to remember this was affected by an update at some point. One of my closers has enough innings to serve all season, but he only pitched in 17 games in real life. Doesn't the sim now penalize these guys once they exceed their real-life games-pitched too much? Or does none of that matter so long as the pitch count per appearance stays low? I hope I don't have a closer out there that I can only use 20 times
).I could micro-manage this -- trouble is, I'm not getting enough available pitches because the sim thinks I'm making an 18-real-life-starts guy throw for 30+ starts. Thus, my part-time starters are tiring out after 40 or so pitches (whereas if I could use either the splt or tandem options, I'd get closer to 80). How is this meant to be managed in the sim? Or can it be automanaged by Sparky at all?
Also -- does anyone know if there are now issues with using a real-life half-season starter as a closer in the sim? This used to be OK, but I seem to remember this was affected by an update at some point. One of my closers has enough innings to serve all season, but he only pitched in 17 games in real life. Doesn't the sim now penalize these guys once they exceed their real-life games-pitched too much? Or does none of that matter so long as the pitch count per appearance stays low? I hope I don't have a closer out there that I can only use 20 times
Eephus
Footballguy
I used freak short season starters as my closers in Wis 12 without any ill effects.I'm trying a rotation of 1, 2A/B, 3A/B for the time being until the fatigue works out over a larger sample size. Of course, I'm winless so far.I think I screwed up my starting pitching on both squads. I had planned to use two real-life half-season starters as my fifth starter on both teams ... but I see there is no way to use either split starters or tandem starters on a five-man staff ().I could micro-manage this -- trouble is, I'm not getting enough available pitches because the sim thinks I'm making an 18-real-life-starts guy throw for 30+ starts. Thus, my part-time starters are tiring out after 40 or so pitches (whereas if I could use either the splt or tandem options, I'd get closer to 80). How is this meant to be managed in the sim? Or can it be automanaged by Sparky at all?
Also -- does anyone know if there are now issues with using a real-life half-season starter as a closer in the sim? This used to be OK, but I seem to remember this was affected by an update at some point. One of my closers has enough innings to serve all season, but he only pitched in 17 games in real life. Doesn't the sim now penalize these guys once they exceed their real-life games-pitched too much? Or does none of that matter so long as the pitch count per appearance stays low? I hope I don't have a closer out there that I can only use 20 times
oso diablo
Footballguy
i don't use any pitcher in the designated Mop Up role. I use either Long A or Setup A. I would use Closer if i ever drafted a pitcher that was worth it. Right now, i'm trying that suggested strategy of pegging all relievers as Setup A.Also, regarding a pitcher who has awful in-season stats... i'm guessing that the sim engine is mechanistic in its probabilities, and so the probability of a good/bad outing for a given pitcher is EXACTLY the same in every appearance for that pitcher. I know it doesn't seem that way, and i could be wrong, but that's how i expect it works.
oso diablo
Footballguy
can't you adjust the targeted pitch counts in the advanced settings?I could micro-manage this -- trouble is, I'm not getting enough available pitches because the sim thinks I'm making an 18-real-life-starts guy throw for 30+ starts. Thus, my part-time starters are tiring out after 40 or so pitches (whereas if I could use either the splt or tandem options, I'd get closer to 80). How is this meant to be managed in the sim? Or can it be automanaged by Sparky at all?
Notorious T.R.E.
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I think you could move them up to your 3rd starter and make them 3a/3b. Or tandem them as your 4th starter.I think I screwed up my starting pitching on both squads. I had planned to use two real-life half-season starters as my fifth starter on both teams ... but I see there is no way to use either split starters or tandem starters on a five-man staff (Also -- does anyone know if there are now issues with using a real-life half-season starter as a closer in the sim? This used to be OK, but I seem to remember this was affected by an update at some point. One of my closers has enough innings to serve all season, but he only pitched in 17 games in real life. Doesn't the sim now penalize these guys once they exceed their real-life games-pitched too much? Or does none of that matter so long as the pitch count per appearance stays low? I hope I don't have a closer out there that I can only use 20 times
Koya
Footballguy
Ive never had an issue with guys tiring out due to the size of my rotation that I can recall - its been based on thier IP/G and maybe some bit of their total IP/162, no?Also, you can use a tandem which an number of pitchers, just set your first 3 to starter 1, 2 and 3 respectively, then use those two in tandem 4A/4BI think I screwed up my starting pitching on both squads. I had planned to use two real-life half-season starters as my fifth starter on both teams ... but I see there is no way to use either split starters or tandem starters on a five-man staff (
boubucarow
Footballguy
So Bill Swift just made two starts at the same time.
Koya
Footballguy
QUANTUM BASEBALL! Catch it!!** If you can.**** If you can even observe it for that matter.
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Doug B
Footballguy
Unfortunately, not allowed (same for Koya's suggestion). If you use a split starter 3a/3b, you can't declare anyone else as a "Starter 4" or "Starter 5". If you use Tandem 4a/4b, you can't declare anyone else as a "Starter 5".See, I thought you COULD set it up that way. Something like Starters 1, 2, 3, 4, and then 5a/5b (either tandem or split). I drafted based on that assumption, never having used split starters or tandem pitching before. Whoops.
And I really need to go with five-man rotations, because I have a lot of starters in the low-200 IP range. If I had some 270+ IP guys, I'd just go four-man and work it out like that.
Doug B
Footballguy
I can, but I've found that if I exceed the sim recommendations, my guys tire WAY too fast. If Sparky thinks your starter can only last 40 pitches, at pitch 41 the dude's arm is going to fall off.I think that's how the sim works it ... seems that way to me, anyway. In past sims, when I've tried to get a 100-pitch guy up to, say, 115 pitches, I noticed some horrific late-inning performaces.can't you adjust the targeted pitch counts in the advanced settings?I could micro-manage this -- trouble is, I'm not getting enough available pitches because the sim thinks I'm making an 18-real-life-starts guy throw for 30+ starts. Thus, my part-time starters are tiring out after 40 or so pitches (whereas if I could use either the splt or tandem options, I'd get closer to 80). How is this meant to be managed in the sim? Or can it be automanaged by Sparky at all?
boubucarow
Footballguy
Yeah, I drafted with a tandem at 4 and 5 in mind. Now, I am using a 4 man rotation with a tandem at 4. I am limiting pitches for my 3 starters (226-260 innings) and the tandem starters go about 5-7 innings a game just like the other solo starters. I have a few relievers that can go 2 innings a time so they kind of go every other game. A few 1 inning guys finish off most games.
Eephus
Footballguy
I think Sparky's pitch count recommendations are always on the conservative side.I can, but I've found that if I exceed the sim recommendations, my guys tire WAY too fast. If Sparky thinks your starter can only last 40 pitches, at pitch 41 the dude's arm is going to fall off.I think that's how the sim works it ... seems that way to me, anyway. In past sims, when I've tried to get a 100-pitch guy up to, say, 115 pitches, I noticed some horrific late-inning performaces.can't you adjust the targeted pitch counts in the advanced settings?I could micro-manage this -- trouble is, I'm not getting enough available pitches because the sim thinks I'm making an 18-real-life-starts guy throw for 30+ starts. Thus, my part-time starters are tiring out after 40 or so pitches (whereas if I could use either the splt or tandem options, I'd get closer to 80). How is this meant to be managed in the sim? Or can it be automanaged by Sparky at all?
oso diablo
Footballguy
hmmm... i'll keep an eye on that. I've adjusted (upward) almost all of the default recs for my pitchers.
Doug B
Footballguy
They are a little, yes. You do get that 10% bump-up in theory. But I'm basically trying to get recommended for 40 pitches to sim well when I've set them at 75-80 pitches. If Sparky "thinks" I'm overusing a guy, seems like the bottom will fall out.
boubucarow
Footballguy
Yeah, I am about to go live if you want to play.
Eephus
Footballguy
That's not what I've observed in Sim Live. IP/G is the biggest (only?) factor in determining effective pitch count. We've seen this with guys like Mark Eichorn who have plenty of IP/162 but low IP/G. Sparky is conservative with pitch counts to begin with, and compounds this for guys who don't have a full season's worth of IP/162. As long as you manage the number of starts for the low IP/162 guys, you should be able to get a quality start out of them.
Doug B
Footballguy
I thought Eichhorn sucked as a starter because the sim only allowed him something 40 pitches a game, regardless of how often he was rested?
I remember Harrier going down in flames in one of the old sims when he tried using Eichhorn this way.
Basically, I am manually maintainind a split 4a/4b. The 4a guys pitched overnight, and both stunk -- was attributing that to the sim making them tire "artificially" early. Guess I'll hang in there and see what happens.
Doug B
Footballguy
Wait, aren't "the rules" kind of different in Sim Live?
Koya
Footballguy
It Happened?Only thing that should have a major factor on pitchers fatigue, as noted, is their IP/G.I thought Eichhorn sucked as a starter because the sim only allowed him something 40 pitches a game, regardless of how often he was rested?Basically, I am manually maintainind a split 4a/4b. The 4a guys pitched overnight, and both stunk -- was attributing that to the sim making them tire "artificially" early. Guess I'll hang in there and see what happens.
That said, trying to squeeze 10-15 more pitches from a guy who can only go 65 is a lot tougher than squezing 10-15 out of a pitcher who can already go 105 or so.
Eephus
Footballguy
Eichorn's freak season was only around 2 IP/G, so his effective pitch count was only 30.I thought Eichhorn sucked as a starter because the sim only allowed him something 40 pitches a game, regardless of how often he was rested?
boubucarow
Footballguy
My main starters were part time relievers and only averaged 5 or 6 innings per game. With Doc Ayers I am going over his IP/G by about an inning a game without much problem but I am quick to pull at that point when. The recommendations were higher than that. Going 6-7 innings he is available every 4th day or even quicker. You won't see a complete game from my team ever.Eichorn's freak season was only around 2 IP/G, so his effective pitch count was only 30.I thought Eichhorn sucked as a starter because the sim only allowed him something 40 pitches a game, regardless of how often he was rested?I remember Harrier going down in flames in one of the old sims when he tried using Eichhorn this way.
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boubucarow
Footballguy
By the way, sitting at 8-6 so far (5-3 at home). I am 6-3 when simming live so I think I need to do that a whole lot.
Chemical X
Footballguy
add button for "bean batter in head"the moops said:Tony C leading the league in OPS (1.588).I'll be up for some sim live sometime this afternoon.
oso diablo
Footballguy
i don't know. I've got a guy (Jim Willoughby) who made 11 starts for 92 IP in his 1972 season. 7 complete games. But the sim defaults for his pitch counts are 20 as the target, and 25 as the max. just had a thought... wonder what happens to the defaults if i change his role to starter. He's currently pegged as Setup A.
oso diablo
Footballguy
just fiddled around with the settings, and moved Willoughby to STarter #6. That did indeed alter his default pitch counts. I found an explanation where WIS assumes a certain # of appearances based on roles, and sets the defaults that way. It's still not clear to me, though, how in-game fatigue works when you try to use a pitcher longer than expected.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Why on earth would you plan on 5 starters? Oops.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Just read that Jeter thread. WTF?
Koya
Footballguy
I dont put much stock in the SIM recommendations - if you want to use your pitcher in the manner you have it set up, they will give you some guidelines. I just look to what a particular guys abilities are, including how long they can throw, and adjust pitch counts and all accordingly.
boubucarow
Footballguy
Sitting at 10-10, I assume 500 is where I will end up.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
DE-FENSE! DE-FENSE!
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Whole lotta dumb in there
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
It boggles the mind.Tremendous Upside said:
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Cal Jr. in a 1-24 slump to start the season.
