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*** OFFICIAL Yankees 2008 Thread*** (2 Viewers)

I have to ask. What would the Yanks record be right now with Santana fronting the rotation? Any different?
Fixedand curious to hear Yankee replies. 2 wins? 3 wins?
I doubt any of them are gonna sign on to answer but as a fan Ill say...Assuming they traded Hughes & Cabrera for Santana... Yanks are 1-5 in games started by Hughes and couldve probably been 5-1 or 4-2 with Santana again. Take away maybe 1 win losing Cabrera since hes been their best hitter :shrug: . Id say theyd have 3 or 4 more wins. Over the rest of the season that could grow.

 
I have to ask. What would the Yanks record be right now with Torre at the helm? Any different?
They started out worse last year.
I'm far less optimistic about another bounce back like the one last season. :own3d:Torre always had a calming effect on a team. It remains to be seen if Girardi can be the same way.
I really didnt expect them to win more than 90 games this year so I guess I have kind of prepared myself for missing the playoffs.
 
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I have to ask. What would the Yanks record be right now with Torre at the helm? Any different?
OK here's what Ive liked and disliked so far:Cons1. Not IBB Manny in that Mussina start at Fenway was horrendous2. He has no control over Cano's slow start or Posada & ARod's injury but way too many lineup shuffles & having Duncan bat 4th last night? Come on, the guy is a career minor leaguer.3. Sticking with Giambi. This guy should be off the team and I think Torre wouldve had enough and benched him.4. This is the worst one IMO. He shouldnt have allowed injured players such as Posada and ARod to keep playing. It almost seems like hes too scared to tell them no cuz he is young and so close to them.5. Hes a bit standoffish with the media but I dont care too much about that.6. Doesnt ever seem to steal or hit & runPros1. Love the way hes handled the bullpen so far. He doesnt seem to wear out one guy and he seems to use everybody evenly. I dont remember too many strange pitching decisions.2. Allowing guys to get fresh starts (ie Farnsworth & Giambi). Its worked out with Farns not with Giambi.Thats all I got for now. His cons outweigh his pros so far but we'll see how the season plays out.
 
My God. This is the first time I listened to Sterling since last year and he is ####in atrocious. Why does he have to have a different HR call for every player? So far today I heard a Demonic blast by Damon, The Giambino!, Robbie Cano dontcha know, & the Yankees will bet on Betemit.

 
My God. This is the first time I listened to Sterling since last year and he is ####in atrocious. Why does he have to have a different HR call for every player? So far today I heard a Demonic blast by Damon, The Giambino!, Robbie Cano dontcha know, & the Yankees will bet on Betemit.
He's the worst ever. Total dork. The only good thing you can say about him is that he has great pipes.I posted this last week in the FFA. Phil Mushnick wrote about Sterling:

Sunday afternoon on WCBS Radio, John Sterling, into the seventh inning of the Yankees -Orioles, four times had launched his "It is high! . . . It is far! . . ." home run call. And not until he pulled it out a fifth time was a home run actually hit. In a game that included one home run, Sterling, in service to his relentless self-promotion, called five of them. Nothing can stop him. :fishing:

But that the "Voice of the New York Yankees" may be the worst broadcaster in professional sports has been a 20-year absurdity. That he would continually deprive a radio-reliant audience of accurate descriptions - not to mention creating the false hope of Yankee homers hit so high and so far that they're caught for outs - while continually suffering the embarrassment of his selfish and dishonest devices, reveals a man so stuck on himself that we all get stuck.

The logical notion that Sterling would grow weary of making a jerk of himself is no longer a logical consideration.
 
My God. This is the first time I listened to Sterling since last year and he is ####in atrocious. Why does he have to have a different HR call for every player? So far today I heard a Demonic blast by Damon, The Giambino!, Robbie Cano dontcha know, & the Yankees will bet on Betemit.
Tell me if I am the only one, but I have memories of John Sterling and Michael Kay being a solid team back in the mid 90's. Sterling wasn't anywhere near as obnoxious as he is now and Kay really provided a calming effect in the booth. They were still homers, but nothing like Sterling is now. They weren't afraid to call it like it was. Those were fun days listening on the radio. Extra Innings wasn't available back then and the only way I got games was to listen on the radio. They were fun. Blowouts were almost fun since they would get sidetracked talking about random things (baseball related or not).Now Sterling has somehow gotten the impression that he has to top every game with some sort of patented call. I can't stand it. Those original "and the Yankees win!!!" calls seemed much more from the heart. And his current partner just adds to his problems.I just don't enjoy the games on the radio as much anymore. It is a shame too, because I love baseball on the radio. You can't beat a day at the beach with a well called, close game on the radio.
 
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My God. This is the first time I listened to Sterling since last year and he is ####in atrocious. Why does he have to have a different HR call for every player? So far today I heard a Demonic blast by Damon, The Giambino!, Robbie Cano dontcha know, & the Yankees will bet on Betemit.
Sterling isn't even on my radar for being Bad....I can't get passed the Shrill Of Waldman.....I read it or heard a wiseman say once that the problem with Waldman is that it reminds people of their mom when they were kids screaming to come home for dinner.... It's that voice you don't really want to hear at the most inappropriate time....WHY WHY WHY would you hire her and keep her - How about going a poll of Yankee fans - Does anyone like her?
 
John is the man. Knock it off. When John and Mike were together it was great. I would watch games with sound on the TV off to hear them instead.

 
I have to ask. What would the Yanks record be right now with Santana fronting the rotation? Any different?
Fixedand curious to hear Yankee replies. 2 wins? 3 wins?
I doubt any of them are gonna sign on to answer but as a fan Ill say...Assuming they traded Hughes & Cabrera for Santana... Yanks are 1-5 in games started by Hughes and couldve probably been 5-1 or 4-2 with Santana again. Take away maybe 1 win losing Cabrera since hes been their best hitter :goodposting: . Id say theyd have 3 or 4 more wins. Over the rest of the season that could grow.
Wasn't the deal supopsed to include Kennedy as well? And Melky has had a good bat this year, and his arm has had to saev at least 1 or 2 runs already just by being a threat. Who replaces him in the lineup to date?They could have a better record. Johan has obviously pitched better - in the NL - then Hughes, but who knows. I'm ok with them not making the trade, still.

 
I have to ask. What would the Yanks record be right now with Santana fronting the rotation? Any different?
Fixedand curious to hear Yankee replies. 2 wins? 3 wins?
I doubt any of them are gonna sign on to answer but as a fan Ill say...Assuming they traded Hughes & Cabrera for Santana... Yanks are 1-5 in games started by Hughes and couldve probably been 5-1 or 4-2 with Santana again. Take away maybe 1 win losing Cabrera since hes been their best hitter :thumbup: . Id say theyd have 3 or 4 more wins. Over the rest of the season that could grow.
Wasn't the deal supopsed to include Kennedy as well? And Melky has had a good bat this year, and his arm has had to saev at least 1 or 2 runs already just by being a threat. Who replaces him in the lineup to date?They could have a better record. Johan has obviously pitched better - in the NL - then Hughes, but who knows. I'm ok with them not making the trade, still.
Oh I am too. I was just answering his question asking how many wins theyd have with Johan as of right now.
 
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My God. This is the first time I listened to Sterling since last year and he is ####in atrocious. Why does he have to have a different HR call for every player? So far today I heard a Demonic blast by Damon, The Giambino!, Robbie Cano dontcha know, & the Yankees will bet on Betemit.
Sterling isn't even on my radar for being Bad....I can't get passed the Shrill Of Waldman.....I read it or heard a wiseman say once that the problem with Waldman is that it reminds people of their mom when they were kids screaming to come home for dinner.... It's that voice you don't really want to hear at the most inappropriate time....WHY WHY WHY would you hire her and keep her - How about going a poll of Yankee fans - Does anyone like her?
No I do not like her. I don't know her baseball pedigree nor her broadcasting experience....but my perception of her is she sounds like my Mother In Law would at a game: mildly interested and some interest in the game more happier just to be there in the crowd.
 
I have to ask. What would the Yanks record be right now with Santana fronting the rotation? Any different?
Fixedand curious to hear Yankee replies. 2 wins? 3 wins?
I doubt any of them are gonna sign on to answer but as a fan Ill say...Assuming they traded Hughes & Cabrera for Santana... Yanks are 1-5 in games started by Hughes and couldve probably been 5-1 or 4-2 with Santana again. Take away maybe 1 win losing Cabrera since hes been their best hitter :goodposting: . Id say theyd have 3 or 4 more wins. Over the rest of the season that could grow.
Wasn't the deal supopsed to include Kennedy as well? And Melky has had a good bat this year, and his arm has had to saev at least 1 or 2 runs already just by being a threat. Who replaces him in the lineup to date?They could have a better record. Johan has obviously pitched better - in the NL - then Hughes, but who knows. I'm ok with them not making the trade, still.
Oh I am too. I was just answering his question asking how many wins theyd have with Johan as of right now.
4-2 is fair, 5-1 is a stretch to say because no team regularly wins 83% of a starter's games.As for the earlier statement about Girardi, it's mostly spot-on. The only disagreement was with his use of the bullpen, and even that was an aberration and not a trend. That night he brought out Mariano on the soaking wet field and I believe a 5-run lead was ridiculous. He fortunately was bailed out by the rain causing a delay. Why risk one of the most critical parts of the team, a guy who has only been on the DL in his career due to calf and groin injuries, on a wet mound? Baffling.

Other than that, however. :goodposting: to Joe G.

 
Ok, so he isn't a God. Pitchers give up runs. Move on.

And not for nothing, but it wasn't a bad pitch. He got beat.
The walks were the problem, not the HR.
And if he gets a pop up with Delucci the walks don't matter.Obviously the walks hurt, but the "surprise" of the game was the HR. And he was 2 strikes away from having another Joba 8th.

I'm not worried.
The walks are more avoidable and within your control.The offense was anemic again. Wang had awful control but hung in there with some fantastic defense from Molina. Had some good throws and the DP was amazingly hard to get the throw off so fast and make a strike; incredibly hard play for a catcher.

Can someone please tell Melky Cabrera to stop taking SIX STEPS before attempting to throw a guy out. If he would have just charged and got rid of the ball quickly he would have thrown the guy out. What the heck is he thinking? If you have that TiVo'd take a look at it, it is absurd.

BTW, I usually don;t hear much from the announcers normally, but they were talking about how great Lee's WHIP is and Coney said that the scouts look for someone under a 1.5 and repeated a bunch of times how that is the magic number they are impressed with??? Somebody better teach Coney a little bit more as a 1.5 is not good at all.
Yep that was ridiculous. I dont remember him doing that last year.
He always took too long to throw in my opinion but it was more like 4-5 steps...this year he is getting even worse.
 
I have to ask. What would the Yanks record be right now with Santana fronting the rotation? Any different?
Fixedand curious to hear Yankee replies. 2 wins? 3 wins?
I doubt any of them are gonna sign on to answer but as a fan Ill say...Assuming they traded Hughes & Cabrera for Santana... Yanks are 1-5 in games started by Hughes and couldve probably been 5-1 or 4-2 with Santana again. Take away maybe 1 win losing Cabrera since hes been their best hitter :) . Id say theyd have 3 or 4 more wins. Over the rest of the season that could grow.
yeah 3 games or so better, but everyone knew the Yankees would be much better THIS year with Santana. I was in favor of making the deal, but judging it now or even this year is clearly not fair.
 
I have to ask. What would the Yanks record be right now with Torre at the helm? Any different?
They started out worse last year.
I'm far less optimistic about another bounce back like the one last season. :)Torre always had a calming effect on a team. It remains to be seen if Girardi can be the same way.
I really didnt expect them to win more than 90 games this year so I guess I have kind of prepared myself for missing the playoffs.
I believe they will still make the playoffs
 
I have to ask. What would the Yanks record be right now with Torre at the helm? Any different?
OK here's what Ive liked and disliked so far:Cons1. Not IBB Manny in that Mussina start at Fenway was horrendous2. He has no control over Cano's slow start or Posada & ARod's injury but way too many lineup shuffles & having Duncan bat 4th last night? Come on, the guy is a career minor leaguer.3. Sticking with Giambi. This guy should be off the team and I think Torre wouldve had enough and benched him.4. This is the worst one IMO. He shouldnt have allowed injured players such as Posada and ARod to keep playing. It almost seems like hes too scared to tell them no cuz he is young and so close to them.5. Hes a bit standoffish with the media but I dont care too much about that.6. Doesnt ever seem to steal or hit & runPros1. Love the way hes handled the bullpen so far. He doesnt seem to wear out one guy and he seems to use everybody evenly. I dont remember too many strange pitching decisions.2. Allowing guys to get fresh starts (ie Farnsworth & Giambi). Its worked out with Farns not with Giambi.Thats all I got for now. His cons outweigh his pros so far but we'll see how the season plays out.
]I am nitpicking here a little because I agree with what you have conceptually. Girardi's handling of the pen is incredibly better than Torre's. But there are many times where he has made the correct timing in pulling pitchers and some of your cons are decisions similar to that.Girardi benched Cano at a good time and then timed his pinch hit HR well.He has hit and run a few times (even last night he did and Matsui lined into a DP) but I would have liked to see a few bunts with 1st and 2nd with nobody out and guys like Molina up. In general I am not a big fan of the bunt though so I am with Girardi on this.As for Giambi, who would you play instead of him? Ensberg has been surprisingly awful and Duncan and Betemit (who I think has potential) have been weak as well.Why is Giambi getting the ire of everyone when he is doing better than Jeter, Shelly Duncan, Ensberg and Cano? Gimabi's OPS is .743, Jeters is a pathetic .699 and all the other guys I mentioned are even worse. Girardi correctly is playing Giambi, however, he should not be playing him against lefties (as he is looking for his first hit against a lefty). Of the guys playing now (non injured), only Matsui, Damon, Abreu and Cabrera are better than Giambi in OPS. BTW, Giambi is SECOND on the team in RBI's and tied for 1st in walks and HR's. People are being way too hard on him. Giambi should start against every righty and the hope would be that Duncan, Ensberg or Betemit could play against lefties (Duncan is probably the best choice right now). ETA that Giambi hits Rogers well :rolleyes:I was in favor of getting Ensberg because the Yankees struggle against left handed pitching and over the past 3 years he has an impressive OPS of .950 against lefties (335 AB's), but he has done nothing so farNow it is still early as we haven't even made the 1/4 mark yet, but the Yanks need to start hitting better and getting better pitching performance out of their 4 and 5 spots...but does anyone think that won't happen? It can't get worse.
 
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Too bad the Tigers don't play y'all every game. They may go 162-0.

On a serious note, what's up with Jeter? 4 walks so far?!?

 
My God, Kei Igawa is horrible. I think he needs to take Betimit out for a couple drinks afterwards, he's going to be sore tomorrow.

 
My God, Kei Igawa is horrible. I think he needs to take Betimit out for a couple drinks afterwards, he's going to be sore tomorrow.
I was listening to the Detroit announcers on XM and they were saying Igawa stuff is so bad they don't think the Yanks can give him another start. He just doesn't look like a MLB pitcher.
 
My God, Kei Igawa is horrible. I think he needs to take Betimit out for a couple drinks afterwards, he's going to be sore tomorrow.
Well he made some bad pitches and Detroit hit them. Let's see if he settles down. One thing is that he is only throwiing 85 and he normally is around 90Giambi got his first hit off a lefty...HR...
 
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My God, Kei Igawa is horrible. I think he needs to take Betimit out for a couple drinks afterwards, he's going to be sore tomorrow.
Well he made some bad pitches and Detroit hit them. Let's see if he settles down. One thing is that he is only throwiing 85 and he normally is around 90Giambi got his first hit off a lefty...HR...
Jeter misses the throw and Duncan can't help him and then Betemit misses on a bunch of tough plays, but misses all of them. Bad job by Betemit all around
 
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My God, Kei Igawa is horrible. I think he needs to take Betimit out for a couple drinks afterwards, he's going to be sore tomorrow.
Well he made some bad pitches and Detroit hit them. Let's see if he settles down. One thing is that he is only throwiing 85 and he normally is around 90Giambi got his first hit off a lefty...HR...
Giambi has rocked Rogers in the past, he's hit over 400 against him. When the Tigers announcers made the comment he didn't have a hit yet this year against lefties you just knew something bad was going to happen.
 
My God, Kei Igawa is horrible. I think he needs to take Betimit out for a couple drinks afterwards, he's going to be sore tomorrow.
Well he made some bad pitches and Detroit hit them. Let's see if he settles down. One thing is that he is only throwiing 85 and he normally is around 90Giambi got his first hit off a lefty...HR...
Giambi has rocked Rogers in the past, he's hit over 400 against him. When the Tigers announcers made the comment he didn't have a hit yet this year against lefties you just knew something bad was going to happen.
Igawa has missed so badly with his change it is comical
 
You know, tonight was a L, but this was encouraging a game as I've seen in a while.

I really liked some of the later ABs, guys working the count and finally going the other way with some authority and regularity.

The listlessness has been as hard to watch as anything this year, but maybe tonight they all had a bit of a plan.

Tonight was a punt with Igawa anyway, far and away Cashman's biggest blunder. It really makes you wonder what they were watching when they signed this guy. However, with Wang, you have probably the best MLB pitcher out of the far east ever, so its always a crapshoot. Ted Lilly would be nice right now, who would have slotted right into Igawa's salary slot. I didn't mind the gamble at the time, an unknown, upside lefty, but this guy is really awful. Could he be flipped for Zito?

 
My God, Kei Igawa is horrible. I think he needs to take Betimit out for a couple drinks afterwards, he's going to be sore tomorrow.
Well he made some bad pitches and Detroit hit them. Let's see if he settles down. One thing is that he is only throwiing 85 and he normally is around 90Giambi got his first hit off a lefty...HR...
U watchin this game on tape delay or something?
Yeah, my apologies folks (brain cramp). I rarely post during games as I watch on Tivo 95% of the time without knowing who won or the score. I started live, but then paused a bunch of times. Sorry about that
 
You know, tonight was a L, but this was encouraging a game as I've seen in a while.I really liked some of the later ABs, guys working the count and finally going the other way with some authority and regularity. The listlessness has been as hard to watch as anything this year, but maybe tonight they all had a bit of a plan. Tonight was a punt with Igawa anyway, far and away Cashman's biggest blunder. It really makes you wonder what they were watching when they signed this guy. However, with Wang, you have probably the best MLB pitcher out of the far east ever, so its always a crapshoot. Ted Lilly would be nice right now, who would have slotted right into Igawa's salary slot. I didn't mind the gamble at the time, an unknown, upside lefty, but this guy is really awful. Could he be flipped for Zito?
You are right that Igawa was a horrible mistake and fairly costly. The thing that makes it worse is that the Yanks need a lefty in the pen so bad and Igawa isn't even tougher on lefties to the point where he could fill that role. It is embarrassing that the Yanks don't have a lefty specialist in the pen.
 
So when does David Wells try on his Size XXL jersey?

Seriously, I say go for it. The help they have from within (read: Igawa) isn't going to be any better than Wells. He's not going to cost you anything. This is a team that signed Al Leiter to pitch a big game against the Red Sox a few years ago for goodness sake.

And if it doesn't work out, if Wells can't go 6 innings anymore, what have they lost? Hey, maybe he could be a great lefty out of the pen. Just go as hard as he can for as long as he can...maybe get out a lefty or two in a big spot.

Cue the masses telling me it's ridiculous and stupid and blah blah blah and that I'm chasing the glory days of the past. But seriously c'mon now!

 
You know, tonight was a L, but this was encouraging a game as I've seen in a while.

I really liked some of the later ABs, guys working the count and finally going the other way with some authority and regularity.

The listlessness has been as hard to watch as anything this year, but maybe tonight they all had a bit of a plan.

Tonight was a punt with Igawa anyway, far and away Cashman's biggest blunder. It really makes you wonder what they were watching when they signed this guy. However, with Wang, you have probably the best MLB pitcher out of the far east ever, so its always a crapshoot. Ted Lilly would be nice right now, who would have slotted right into Igawa's salary slot. I didn't mind the gamble at the time, an unknown, upside lefty, but this guy is really awful. Could he be flipped for Zito?
Isn't Japan in the far east?
 
So when does David Wells try on his Size XXL jersey?

Seriously, I say go for it. The help they have from within (read: Igawa) isn't going to be any better than Wells. He's not going to cost you anything. This is a team that signed Al Leiter to pitch a big game against the Red Sox a few years ago for goodness sake.

And if it doesn't work out, if Wells can't go 6 innings anymore, what have they lost? Hey, maybe he could be a great lefty out of the pen. Just go as hard as he can for as long as he can...maybe get out a lefty or two in a big spot.

Cue the masses telling me it's ridiculous and stupid and blah blah blah and that I'm chasing the glory days of the past. But seriously c'mon now!
Wells :thumbdown: You guys ARE desperate.

Where is BandwagonNation to tell me how bad the Rays are?

 
You know, tonight was a L, but this was encouraging a game as I've seen in a while.

I really liked some of the later ABs, guys working the count and finally going the other way with some authority and regularity.

The listlessness has been as hard to watch as anything this year, but maybe tonight they all had a bit of a plan.

Tonight was a punt with Igawa anyway, far and away Cashman's biggest blunder. It really makes you wonder what they were watching when they signed this guy. However, with Wang, you have probably the best MLB pitcher out of the far east ever, so its always a crapshoot. Ted Lilly would be nice right now, who would have slotted right into Igawa's salary slot. I didn't mind the gamble at the time, an unknown, upside lefty, but this guy is really awful. Could he be flipped for Zito?
Isn't Japan in the far east?
Yes, what Japanese pitcher is better than him? Sasaki maybe, but Wang should pass him this year.
 
So when does David Wells try on his Size XXL jersey?

Seriously, I say go for it. The help they have from within (read: Igawa) isn't going to be any better than Wells. He's not going to cost you anything. This is a team that signed Al Leiter to pitch a big game against the Red Sox a few years ago for goodness sake.

And if it doesn't work out, if Wells can't go 6 innings anymore, what have they lost? Hey, maybe he could be a great lefty out of the pen. Just go as hard as he can for as long as he can...maybe get out a lefty or two in a big spot.

Cue the masses telling me it's ridiculous and stupid and blah blah blah and that I'm chasing the glory days of the past. But seriously c'mon now!
Wells :shrug: You guys ARE desperate.

Where is BandwagonNation to tell me how bad the Rays are?
Well, I can't speak for others...but you can go back and look for the posts where I bad-mouthed the Rays. However, you'll be looking a long time because I never did it. I figured they'd win around 75 games or so this year, with a greater upside over the next 2-3 years than just about any team.Secondly, who said we weren't desperate? You know, I used to read your posts because you were knowledgeable and informative, but over the past year or so you've just become bitter towards every team that isn't the Rays. Yes, the Yankees are desperate. Thank you Captain Obvious. Let's see, they started Kei Igawa against the Tigers last night...so tell me, what clued you in to their desperation?!? You say it like you're breaking ground here, but in case you hadn't noticed the Yanks pitching hasn't been good in about 5 years. So a guy like Wells, helps us where he might not help others. Did people think Tampa was nuts to sign Troy Percival to be their closer? I mean, come on the guy was out of baseball just two years ago. And isn't that working?

And again, where's the risk in signing fat boy? If he gives them 2-3 quality starts until Kennedy comes back up and they win them, wouldn't it be better than burning out the pen and almost definitely losing anyway with Igawa? I think we've seen that every win counts. You wouldn't understand that yet since there's almost no difference between 90 and 95 losses. Maybe you'll understand over the next few years as the Rays finally become good.

 
So when does David Wells try on his Size XXL jersey?

Seriously, I say go for it. The help they have from within (read: Igawa) isn't going to be any better than Wells. He's not going to cost you anything. This is a team that signed Al Leiter to pitch a big game against the Red Sox a few years ago for goodness sake.

And if it doesn't work out, if Wells can't go 6 innings anymore, what have they lost? Hey, maybe he could be a great lefty out of the pen. Just go as hard as he can for as long as he can...maybe get out a lefty or two in a big spot.

Cue the masses telling me it's ridiculous and stupid and blah blah blah and that I'm chasing the glory days of the past. But seriously c'mon now!
Wells :rolleyes: You guys ARE desperate.

Where is BandwagonNation to tell me how bad the Rays are?
Here we are!Are you guys going to throw a parade if you finish .500 this year? I think Ybor is overdue for a blowout.

 
So when does David Wells try on his Size XXL jersey?

Seriously, I say go for it. The help they have from within (read: Igawa) isn't going to be any better than Wells. He's not going to cost you anything. This is a team that signed Al Leiter to pitch a big game against the Red Sox a few years ago for goodness sake.

And if it doesn't work out, if Wells can't go 6 innings anymore, what have they lost? Hey, maybe he could be a great lefty out of the pen. Just go as hard as he can for as long as he can...maybe get out a lefty or two in a big spot.

Cue the masses telling me it's ridiculous and stupid and blah blah blah and that I'm chasing the glory days of the past. But seriously c'mon now!
Wells :lmao: You guys ARE desperate.

Where is BandwagonNation to tell me how bad the Rays are?
Well, I can't speak for others...but you can go back and look for the posts where I bad-mouthed the Rays. However, you'll be looking a long time because I never did it. I figured they'd win around 75 games or so this year, with a greater upside over the next 2-3 years than just about any team.Secondly, who said we weren't desperate? You know, I used to read your posts because you were knowledgeable and informative, but over the past year or so you've just become bitter towards every team that isn't the Rays. Yes, the Yankees are desperate. Thank you Captain Obvious. Let's see, they started Kei Igawa against the Tigers last night...so tell me, what clued you in to their desperation?!? You say it like you're breaking ground here, but in case you hadn't noticed the Yanks pitching hasn't been good in about 5 years. So a guy like Wells, helps us where he might not help others. Did people think Tampa was nuts to sign Troy Percival to be their closer? I mean, come on the guy was out of baseball just two years ago. And isn't that working?

And again, where's the risk in signing fat boy? If he gives them 2-3 quality starts until Kennedy comes back up and they win them, wouldn't it be better than burning out the pen and almost definitely losing anyway with Igawa? I think we've seen that every win counts. You wouldn't understand that yet since there's almost no difference between 90 and 95 losses. Maybe you'll understand over the next few years as the Rays finally become good.
Guess I should have made it clear. "BandwagonNation" referred to RaiderNation, a guy who is a Yankee and Raider fan despite having never lived in either place...I wasn't referring to the bandwagon fanbase as a whole. He was trashing the idea of the Rays being good a few weeks ago.And hey if you want to go for Wells, go for it, but your team has much deeper issues than he can solve.

And yes I am sort of bitter towards the Yanks and Sox. Their salary scales are ridiculous and obscene, which is my only reason for disliking them. I have nothing against the Giants, Patriots, Knicks, etc. But that's been covered before.

 
And yes I am sort of bitter towards the Yanks and Sox. Their salary scales are ridiculous and obscene, which is my only reason for disliking them.
I've never understood that reasoning. A team is willing to pay up to put forth the best possible product for their fans? Sounds like bitter jealousy to me. If you don't like the fact that they're capable of doing it be bitter towards mlb, not the teams taking advantage of a weak rule.
 
And yes I am sort of bitter towards the Yanks and Sox. Their salary scales are ridiculous and obscene, which is my only reason for disliking them.
I've never understood that reasoning. A team is willing to pay up to put forth the best possible product for their fans? Sounds like bitter jealousy to me. If you don't like the fact that they're capable of doing it be bitter towards mlb, not the teams taking advantage of a weak rule.
why would I be jealous of a 4th-place, barely-.500 team with a pretty horrid pitching staff? :goodposting:
 
And yes I am sort of bitter towards the Yanks and Sox. Their salary scales are ridiculous and obscene, which is my only reason for disliking them.
I've never understood that reasoning. A team is willing to pay up to put forth the best possible product for their fans? Sounds like bitter jealousy to me. If you don't like the fact that they're capable of doing it be bitter towards mlb, not the teams taking advantage of a weak rule.
why would I be jealous of a 4th-place, barely-.500 team with a pretty horrid pitching staff? :thumbup:
I was referring to past seasons, obviously not this one. I may have been the first on here that's not a Tampa Bay fan to proclaim that they may compete for the wildcard this season. I just don't see the logic behind hating a franchise because they spend money.
 
I don't actually hate the "franchise" - I respect and admire the history of the Yanks as would anybody who considers themselves a fan of the history of baseball. But what they've done in the past 8 years or so is completely ridiculous and I'm happy they're paying the piper for it now.

Other teams have become smarter and aren't allowing their franchise players to become so readily available - such as what Cleveland and Tampa have done with locking up young stars.

 
You know, tonight was a L, but this was encouraging a game as I've seen in a while.

I really liked some of the later ABs, guys working the count and finally going the other way with some authority and regularity.

The listlessness has been as hard to watch as anything this year, but maybe tonight they all had a bit of a plan.

Tonight was a punt with Igawa anyway, far and away Cashman's biggest blunder. It really makes you wonder what they were watching when they signed this guy. However, with Wang, you have probably the best MLB pitcher out of the far east ever, so its always a crapshoot. Ted Lilly would be nice right now, who would have slotted right into Igawa's salary slot. I didn't mind the gamble at the time, an unknown, upside lefty, but this guy is really awful. Could he be flipped for Zito?
Isn't Japan in the far east?
Yes, what Japanese pitcher is better than him? Sasaki maybe, but Wang should pass him this year.
Nomo
 
You know, tonight was a L, but this was encouraging a game as I've seen in a while.

I really liked some of the later ABs, guys working the count and finally going the other way with some authority and regularity.

The listlessness has been as hard to watch as anything this year, but maybe tonight they all had a bit of a plan.

Tonight was a punt with Igawa anyway, far and away Cashman's biggest blunder. It really makes you wonder what they were watching when they signed this guy. However, with Wang, you have probably the best MLB pitcher out of the far east ever, so its always a crapshoot. Ted Lilly would be nice right now, who would have slotted right into Igawa's salary slot. I didn't mind the gamble at the time, an unknown, upside lefty, but this guy is really awful. Could he be flipped for Zito?
Isn't Japan in the far east?
Yes, what Japanese pitcher is better than him? Sasaki maybe, but Wang should pass him this year.
Nomo
Ya think? Great rookie year and then a .500 pitcher thereafter. He'd never won more than 16 games in a year. Two no-nos, one in Colorado, and some good years on and off, but I would put Wang ahead of him already. I'd rank Sasaki ahead of him for that matter.
 
You know, tonight was a L, but this was encouraging a game as I've seen in a while.

I really liked some of the later ABs, guys working the count and finally going the other way with some authority and regularity.

The listlessness has been as hard to watch as anything this year, but maybe tonight they all had a bit of a plan.

Tonight was a punt with Igawa anyway, far and away Cashman's biggest blunder. It really makes you wonder what they were watching when they signed this guy. However, with Wang, you have probably the best MLB pitcher out of the far east ever, so its always a crapshoot. Ted Lilly would be nice right now, who would have slotted right into Igawa's salary slot. I didn't mind the gamble at the time, an unknown, upside lefty, but this guy is really awful. Could he be flipped for Zito?
Isn't Japan in the far east?
Yes, what Japanese pitcher is better than him? Sasaki maybe, but Wang should pass him this year.
Nomo
Ya think? Great rookie year and then a .500 pitcher thereafter. He'd never won more than 16 games in a year. Two no-nos, one in Colorado, and some good years on and off, but I would put Wang ahead of him already. I'd rank Sasaki ahead of him for that matter.
DiceK is better than Wang. Sorry fellow Yankee fans...he just is.
 
You know, tonight was a L, but this was encouraging a game as I've seen in a while.

I really liked some of the later ABs, guys working the count and finally going the other way with some authority and regularity.

The listlessness has been as hard to watch as anything this year, but maybe tonight they all had a bit of a plan.

Tonight was a punt with Igawa anyway, far and away Cashman's biggest blunder. It really makes you wonder what they were watching when they signed this guy. However, with Wang, you have probably the best MLB pitcher out of the far east ever, so its always a crapshoot. Ted Lilly would be nice right now, who would have slotted right into Igawa's salary slot. I didn't mind the gamble at the time, an unknown, upside lefty, but this guy is really awful. Could he be flipped for Zito?
Isn't Japan in the far east?
Yes, what Japanese pitcher is better than him? Sasaki maybe, but Wang should pass him this year.
Nomo
Ya think? Great rookie year and then a .500 pitcher thereafter. He'd never won more than 16 games in a year. Two no-nos, one in Colorado, and some good years on and off, but I would put Wang ahead of him already. I'd rank Sasaki ahead of him for that matter.
DiceK is better than Wang. Sorry fellow Yankee fans...he just is.
I didn't buy the Cy Wang stuff last year, had some fun with it, but Dice K has a lot to do before he's better than the Wanger. He's a 5 and fly guy. I dont' hate the guy, I do like his willingness to throw a lot, but Wang has been a pretty effective stopper for the Yankees.
 

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