Did I say he has been dominant?
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Insoxicated
okay. What gives you the impression he "could be dominant down the stretch in the rotation"?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
As already asked, what do you see that leades you to conclude that he could be dominant? Sure, he's had a couple of outings with some strikeouts, but he's allowing too many hits, walks, and runs at the moment. I suppose if he stops allowing so many base runners he'd be ok, but couldn't you argue that about any pitcher in the league?jobarules said:
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
8-0 too much. i FULLY expected the yanks to win last night. good job girardi.
wilked
Footballguy
So you are basing this upon 4 innings of work...Thanks for clearing that up...
Its called a prediction. Lighten up francis
DA RAIDERS
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cobalt_27
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Raider Nation
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Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Written in the 8th inning after Girardi showed he has become Clueless Joe reincarnated!!! Maybe it will work, but I had to pause my DVR and call my brother to tell him that I am really ticked off at Girardi. After ROYALLY screwing up yesterday, why in the world would you overreact at a time when Coke is throwing really well and just overpowered the last 4 batters he faced and a lefty in Beltran was coming up??? This, “I am ok with Mo pitching 4 outs but not 6 outs” is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Forgetting the fact that it isn’t a save situation and for some reason Mo doesn’t pitch well in those spots…but, it isn’t the outs that matter, it is the amount of pitches and the rest between innings. Yesterday Mo should have been in during the big inning and Girardi never played his trump card. Today, Girardi played his trump card when he didn’t have to!
I will write after the game…
Texiera deserves the game ball for hustling! He didn’t pull a big papi, he ran because you never know…and it paid off. Great job hustling Texiera, I am very proud of you.
Back to Girardi…bad decisions come back to bite you and they did here…Let’s also criticize the 9th inning. Gardner is leading off and I assumed that Damon is really having trouble with eyes, because he doesn’t grab a bat for Gardner. When Gardner has a bad AB, he then send up Damon to bat for Swisher??? Is this the Swisher who has a .921 OPS and he pinch hits for him? And please don’t throw out that he was one for whatever against KRod…that is insulting as Damon was a whopping 2-7. Why not pinch hit for Gardner and then let your guys hit?
Has a manager ever been fired after a win? I have been a backer of Girardi, but he has moved me to the point where I am not confident in him. He is off in his moves and it has cost the Yanks.
I will write after the game…
Texiera deserves the game ball for hustling! He didn’t pull a big papi, he ran because you never know…and it paid off. Great job hustling Texiera, I am very proud of you.
Back to Girardi…bad decisions come back to bite you and they did here…Let’s also criticize the 9th inning. Gardner is leading off and I assumed that Damon is really having trouble with eyes, because he doesn’t grab a bat for Gardner. When Gardner has a bad AB, he then send up Damon to bat for Swisher??? Is this the Swisher who has a .921 OPS and he pinch hits for him? And please don’t throw out that he was one for whatever against KRod…that is insulting as Damon was a whopping 2-7. Why not pinch hit for Gardner and then let your guys hit?
Has a manager ever been fired after a win? I have been a backer of Girardi, but he has moved me to the point where I am not confident in him. He is off in his moves and it has cost the Yanks.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
That's right, he knew he had to hit a moon pop up to their 2nd baseman with spin...that is truly clutch!
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
BTW, how many balls did the Yanks hit to the warning track?
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cobalt_27
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As much as their hand was forced to the point of needing CC, the Tex signing was the only one I absolutely was praying would happen...and never thought it would, tbh.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
The luxury the Yankees have is that they can shop at the premium store and when the premium guys are available, you go for those guys and grab the top guys at their position when available. Then, you fill in with the Gardner, Melky types and hope some of them become the Jeter's, Posada's and Williams. This is why the Yanks messed up in not getting Santana. I think Hughes will be a good pitcher and probably very good, but the Yankees are not the Royals and while you want to keep some of your talent (it is important), when you can get a lock down guy you go do it.The two guys in this market were CC and Tex and those were my priorities. When the Yanks signed Swisher (which I thought was a good value signing) I assume Tex was off the list. Cashman did a good job playing his hand though.Looking into the future, the Yankees have a catcher of the future and with Posada having one more year behind the plate he will be doing a lot of DH'ing so we will probably see Montero and Cervelli for some time. Tex has locked up first, Cano will be the 2nd baseman for a long time and Jeter is the big question mark. His contract is up after next year and it will be interesting to see what he wants to do. i would expect the Yankees would allow him a reasonable exit to his career, but clearly paying anything more than half of what he is making would be a mistake. Jeter has played fairly well this year, but I would expect after next year his days at SS are probably over and the only place I could see him play would be LF. This is one of the harder decisions the Yankees will have to make because of the sentimental value and fan favorite part. Usually I am cold to those decisions, but Jeter is different.The OF will be very fluid as Matsui, Damon and probably Nady will be gone next year. Melky has showed some development this year, but he is a little bit of a tweaner on that his CF play is below par because of his lack of speed and he probably doesn;t hit well enough to be a corner OF'r. He is developing though and perhaps he can hit with a .825+ OPS? In general he is a average starter at this point, but an excellent 4th OF'r who can play all positions. Gardner is showing some improvement, but he will most likely be a good defensive and pinch runner substitute (but valuable on a team like the Yanks). I could see the Yankees sign someone like Matt Holiday and some bullpen help next year. The Yanks will need to groom a closer of the future as Bruney seems like he is just not healthy enough.As much as their hand was forced to the point of needing CC, the Tex signing was the only one I absolutely was praying would happen...and never thought it would, tbh.
Liquid Tension
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Lost in all of this is that Rivera is showing some erosion of consistency. This can be expected, but with the fragile bullpen, it is even more exacerbated. it also shows you why Girardi needs to be much smarter in using Rivera. Joe screwed up badly the last 2 nights and he simply has to stop grasping and reacting. Being rigid about when Rivera is used is not smart. many times the most important inning is the 8th inning and while a non save situation for some reason seems to hurt Rivera's focus, bringing him into the 8th inning in a save situation where a fire needs to be put out is OK.
Girardi is called a manager for a reason and plugging one guy for the 8th and another for the 9th inning is not managing, it is a programmed event that a monkey to do. A good manager can feel for the important parts of the game and has a sense when to anticipate and go against the programmed event to put your team in the best position to win the game.
Rivera has been one of the greatest Yankees of all time and I hope he can hold it together this year. I expect him to be pretty good, but not the best anymore.
Girardi is called a manager for a reason and plugging one guy for the 8th and another for the 9th inning is not managing, it is a programmed event that a monkey to do. A good manager can feel for the important parts of the game and has a sense when to anticipate and go against the programmed event to put your team in the best position to win the game.
Rivera has been one of the greatest Yankees of all time and I hope he can hold it together this year. I expect him to be pretty good, but not the best anymore.
Righetti
Footballguy
Agreed, the Yankee infield is pretty well set for the next five years (Tex, Cano, ARod) problem will be Jeter, the natural spot would be to move an aging SS to third base but with ARod there it doesn't make sense unless you swap them but that would be hard for Jeter to swallow I guess. Otherwise moving him to first makes no sense at all with Texiera although years ago when Giambi was there, I thought that they may move Posada there on occasion.
I guess they could move Jeter to LF, he can't be worse than Johnny Damon is out there. I'm not sold on Gardner and/or Melky although they seem to be playing well as sort of a platoon. If you could combine Gardner's speed with Melky's arm you'd have a very good Center Fielder and I gotta imagine they keep Swisher around if no reason other than he seems to keep the team loose
I guess they could move Jeter to LF, he can't be worse than Johnny Damon is out there. I'm not sold on Gardner and/or Melky although they seem to be playing well as sort of a platoon. If you could combine Gardner's speed with Melky's arm you'd have a very good Center Fielder and I gotta imagine they keep Swisher around if no reason other than he seems to keep the team loose
Reaper
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Good Stuff LT.. Lovin' the "blog"...
Seems like a lot of honest criticism around here from fans labeled as sheep. It's all opinions though....
And In my humble opinion, by the all star break - Joba needs to be in the pen - I'm sure they think Bruney is that guy but, with Mariano, the 3 of them should handel the end of games...
Then Hughes has a spot in the rotation and I'd even let Wang get a few more shots to work things out - trying to do that at Fenway was a bad decision IMO.
Imagine Wang was still the "Ace"????
Again, I "understand" the whole Johan move - I don't think you get Johan AND CC..... That 'non'move doesn't kill me.
As for Jeter... I'm cold, I have little loyalty to pay players based on their past. Sorry.
Seems like a lot of honest criticism around here from fans labeled as sheep. It's all opinions though....
And In my humble opinion, by the all star break - Joba needs to be in the pen - I'm sure they think Bruney is that guy but, with Mariano, the 3 of them should handel the end of games...
Then Hughes has a spot in the rotation and I'd even let Wang get a few more shots to work things out - trying to do that at Fenway was a bad decision IMO.
Imagine Wang was still the "Ace"????
Again, I "understand" the whole Johan move - I don't think you get Johan AND CC..... That 'non'move doesn't kill me.
As for Jeter... I'm cold, I have little loyalty to pay players based on their past. Sorry.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
He's been handled with kid gloves--deservedly so, imo--for a long time. But, it'll soon be time to make some key decisions that are in the best interest of the team--not Jeter.Could be one of the most interesting FA decisions in the history of baseball. I dont have much loyalty either except for Jeter and Mo. They hold a special place in my heart like mattingly.He's been handled with kid gloves--deservedly so, imo--for a long time. But, it'll soon be time to make some key decisions that are in the best interest of the team--not Jeter.
Liquid Tension
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Thanks Reaper. 90% of the time I agree about just cutting ties. I have never said anything about letting O'Neill, Bernie or Tino go early. I felt that both Posada and Rivera were a little overpaid by length of years, but I felt because they would still be productive it was a thanks and a reasonable deal, especially the Rivera one. I think Boston would have grabbed Posada...As for Jeter, I would not give him some crazy contract for 4 years, but i would be OK keeping him another year or maybe 2 to allow him to break most of the Yankee records, but I am not sure where he would play a lot and help the team. I still think LF would be the best place. Perhaps he can play some games at SS? One other factor with Jeter is that the money is less important the length of contract because I believe Jeter will make that money back for you in fans.Pena looks like a good glove and a weak hitter, but a guy who has some plate ability from the left side. (switching gears he should probably play a game at 2nd base and give Cano a rest).The Jeter decision will be one of the tougher ones. A lot will depend on what he will accept. If he plays like this year, you can deal with it, the question is how much erosion will there be?I know nobody has agreed with me, but I still feel Pettitte is our weakest starter.Reaper said:
Liquid Tension
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You just named 3 of my top 4 guys (Munson).jobarules said:Could be one of the most interesting FA decisions in the history of baseball. I dont have much loyalty either except for Jeter and Mo. They hold a special place in my heart like mattingly.cobalt_27 said:Reaper said:He's been handled with kid gloves--deservedly so, imo--for a long time. But, it'll soon be time to make some key decisions that are in the best interest of the team--not Jeter.
the guy I also really liked but was not always a Yankee was Dave Winfield. Tremendous athlete who played the game right. I also was fortunate to spend a lot of time talking with Big Dave and he was/is a very good guy which didn't influence my opinion because it was after he played.
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I was telling my buddies today that we'd get off to a 13-0 lead after 4 innings against Santana.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Hard to say that in a blow out win like this a call in the 3rd inning might have made a difference, but how in the world did the 3rd base ump call Cora out on that check swing? That was one of the worst calls I have seen from a 3rd base ump in those spots as they are surprisingly pretty good at that appeal. The only call I thought was worse than that was the home plate umpire inexplicably calling Cora out on a clear checked swing later in the game. The home plate umpire has NO reason to be making that call. Cora has a right to be pissed. The entire game might have even changed? Either way, the Yanks caught a huge break.
Burnett's stuff is really good, but even in this game 4 walks in 7 innings is bad. After a 4-0 lead, he walked the leadoff hitter and then the 3rd batter in the inning? Eiland better get the catchers and pitchers on board with throwing more strikes! Batters swing at more balls when pitchers are throwing more strikes (that sounded odd)
Burnett's stuff is really good, but even in this game 4 walks in 7 innings is bad. After a 4-0 lead, he walked the leadoff hitter and then the 3rd batter in the inning? Eiland better get the catchers and pitchers on board with throwing more strikes! Batters swing at more balls when pitchers are throwing more strikes (that sounded odd)
Reaper
Footballguy
I thought calling Damon out for "knocking the ball away" was among the most ridiculous calls.... Maybe the Cora call was payback?
And to me, that was a potential game changer - I pictured Johan settling down and shutting the Yanks out after that and the Muts putting up 5 or 6.
Reaper
Footballguy
Johan's Knee 
Wasn't that just one of the many factors in the whole Yankee decision???
Just sayin'.
Again, Moves and non-moves like this I don't kill my teams for. It wasn't an easy decision (IMO) and there were a lot of things to consider on both sides...
It's the completely assinine moves like Giambi or the Jets trading 2 1st round picks for Dewayne Robertson that get me ticked off.
How about when the Knicks backed up the Money Truck for Allan Houston.... Those are WTF Moves!
Wasn't that just one of the many factors in the whole Yankee decision???
Just sayin'.
Again, Moves and non-moves like this I don't kill my teams for. It wasn't an easy decision (IMO) and there were a lot of things to consider on both sides...
It's the completely assinine moves like Giambi or the Jets trading 2 1st round picks for Dewayne Robertson that get me ticked off.
How about when the Knicks backed up the Money Truck for Allan Houston.... Those are WTF Moves!
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
The first game against Washington made me think that we would have lost against a decent team.
The 3 run homer could have cost them the game and the pitch selection was not very good. It seems all the Yankee catchers/pitchers have fallen in love with the breaking ball inside with 2 strikes and that can be dangerous because you could hit the batter, you could make a mistake and leave out over the plate, or you could hit the target and still allow a guy in protection mode to drop the barrel down and hook a cheap homer down the line (which is what happened on Tuesday). CC did a good job though and could have been great without that mistake…of course the Nationals can make you looks good. Let’s hope the same is true for Wang.
Cano had a terrific day going 4-4 and playing well in the field.
Pena made a play in the 9th to end the game that I do not believe Jeter would have made.
Seeing Bruney come in and throw 96 was a great site to see. I hope he feels good today as we know the bridge to Mariano has been littered with mines. With Rivera showing signs of mortality, it was even more disturbing. Bruney’s health is VERY important.
The 3 run homer could have cost them the game and the pitch selection was not very good. It seems all the Yankee catchers/pitchers have fallen in love with the breaking ball inside with 2 strikes and that can be dangerous because you could hit the batter, you could make a mistake and leave out over the plate, or you could hit the target and still allow a guy in protection mode to drop the barrel down and hook a cheap homer down the line (which is what happened on Tuesday). CC did a good job though and could have been great without that mistake…of course the Nationals can make you looks good. Let’s hope the same is true for Wang.
Cano had a terrific day going 4-4 and playing well in the field.
Pena made a play in the 9th to end the game that I do not believe Jeter would have made.
Seeing Bruney come in and throw 96 was a great site to see. I hope he feels good today as we know the bridge to Mariano has been littered with mines. With Rivera showing signs of mortality, it was even more disturbing. Bruney’s health is VERY important.
Liquid Tension
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Sad the Yankee offense can’t muster anything but a homer through 8 innings. That being said, after ARod worked a walk in the 9th inning to make it 1st and 3rd with 1 out down by one run Girardi messed up.
I understand the risk in sending a runner with 1 out and a man on 3rd. I also understand that ARod is probably a mediocre base runner right now. However, ARod is a smart base runner and McDougal has a very long delivery and was not paying any attention to ARod. I am not sure if I would have sent him right away or not. I most likely would not have, but I would have given ARod the green light if he felt it. I would have put the brakes on sending ARod when the count went 0-2 because too many bad things could happen. However after 2-2 I would have given him the green light again and after 2 fouled off pitches I would have sent him (ordered a steal). After, what was it 7 fouled off pitches, I would have absolutely sent ARod.
1) They might have not even have thrown to 2nd with Gardner on 3rd base
2) ARod could steal 2nd with McDougal’s slow delivery
3) McDougal was not paying any attention to ARod.
Girardi was asleep here. I understand the situation and I would be very careful there, but the situation and the factors within the situation SCREAMED to send ARod. The Yanks might have lost anyway, but I would have taken 2nd and my bet is that a throw would not even have been made…if it is made, Gardner may steal home.
Girardi is using up all my goodwill.
I understand the risk in sending a runner with 1 out and a man on 3rd. I also understand that ARod is probably a mediocre base runner right now. However, ARod is a smart base runner and McDougal has a very long delivery and was not paying any attention to ARod. I am not sure if I would have sent him right away or not. I most likely would not have, but I would have given ARod the green light if he felt it. I would have put the brakes on sending ARod when the count went 0-2 because too many bad things could happen. However after 2-2 I would have given him the green light again and after 2 fouled off pitches I would have sent him (ordered a steal). After, what was it 7 fouled off pitches, I would have absolutely sent ARod.
1) They might have not even have thrown to 2nd with Gardner on 3rd base
2) ARod could steal 2nd with McDougal’s slow delivery
3) McDougal was not paying any attention to ARod.
Girardi was asleep here. I understand the situation and I would be very careful there, but the situation and the factors within the situation SCREAMED to send ARod. The Yanks might have lost anyway, but I would have taken 2nd and my bet is that a throw would not even have been made…if it is made, Gardner may steal home.
Girardi is using up all my goodwill.
Liquid Tension
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Three other items I should have mentioned.The umpire bad call at first base cost the Yankees at least one run and possibly would have changed the outcome of the inning (2 runs). The runner was clearly out.The triple by Johnson would have been an out with most CF'rs and was a classic example of Melky just not having enough top speed to be a good defensive CF'r. Wang pitched pretty well, but it was the Nationals.Wang pitched well, but it is the Nationals.
Sometimes you just tip your cap and say a pitcher beat you and last night Lannan was pretty good. But there were still some frustrating parts. The call at 1B was horrible and cost the Yanks the game and Wang possibly another inning of work. ARod should have been running in the 9th. And finally even though I am a Cano hater its hard to be mad at that atbat. He swung at strikes and was finally put away on a good sinker.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Meh. At least the rest of them aren't full of such dooshbaggery that they're at least somewhat likeable. And aren't shells of their former selves coming off steroids. And, aren't chokers.Its called a slump. Relax. What about the rest of the team thats not hitting?
No, but in all seriousness...I really do dislike him.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Don't Worry...It's A Long Season...
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Not sure if you were being sarcastic but thats exactly my point. The lineup is the reason they lost those two games and I think their lineup is fine over the long season. Just in a bit of a funk. Something all teams go through.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Buster Olney devoted a few paragraphs to bullpen use and he mentioned how Torre ran through his relievers.
He cited an anonymous player pleading with the GM of another team to trade for him so he could get away from Torres.
Any Yankee homers have any idea which player this might have been.
He cited an anonymous player pleading with the GM of another team to trade for him so he could get away from Torres.
Any Yankee homers have any idea which player this might have been.
