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**Official YANKEES 2009 Thread** (1 Viewer)
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I'm trying to remember how the Yanks did it, and I'm not so sure everyone does it in one day. I don't know what kind of "draw" it is to see guys get their rings, but I know the Phils did the same thing. Kind of cheesy I guess to make a big deal about LCS rings, but then again, the Rays were an incredible story and still a pretty young franchise, so I can understand the enthusiasm and I don't think its so out of line that they did the banner one day and the rings the next. Let more fans be part of the pagentry and have some fun
TLEF316
Footballguy
agreed. i dont think its a big deal. However, i have the feeling they wouldnt have spread it out had the Royals been in town. But yeah, young franchise and great story, so you cant get too bent out of shape about it.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
way to open the new joint!!
blackjack23
Footballguy
The bullpen is officially a concern
Homer @ RJ
Footballguy
The Phillies rose their banner in game 1 and gave the rings away in game 3.It's not always about the Yankees, buddy.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
I had actually defended the guy, who caught a lot of flack last year for a poor stat line, but that was as much Girardi leaving him to rot in Texas on a hot night and 40 plus pitches the day after he threw 20 plus and he eventually gave up a granny, which will kill your stat line for a while out of the pen.But to see lefties cuff him around and Grady absolutely smoke him, THATS disconcerting. There's a reason the Veras' of the world pitch the 6th/7th, because they can be good and they can be bad.
Really, with Bruney coming on, I'm not ready to slag the entire pen. If Albandejo has options though, I don't know why he's up over Aceves. Hopefully they recitfy that before the Wanger throws again. While I have faith in him turning it around, you CAN NOT fry the pen again, which I think can be a reason for concern as much as anything.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Pretty sure the White Sox raised banners before game one and gave rings before game 2. If a Cubs fan could chime in and let us know how they did it in 1909, that would be great.thanks
Righetti
Footballguy
Homer @ RJ
Footballguy
I laughed.
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Last Placeway to open the new joint!!
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Derek Jeter isn't a HOFer.
Discuss.
Discuss.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I know where your going with this, but by the time he's done, he's going to be comparable in numbers to Ripken and he will have won more gold gloves showing he mixed the hits with the leather(
).
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Did he deserve even one of those? Serious question here.he will have won more gold gloves showing he mixed the hits with the leather().
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
only played 9 games. only have 1 opening day of a new stadium...p.s. C.C. is averaging 24.52 pitches an inning so far....Giantseasonticketholder said:Last Placeway to open the new joint!!
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Go ahead, I'm listening...Mr. Pickles said:
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
blackjack23
Footballguy
meh hes a lock. sorry to break it to you.Mr. Pickles said:
blackjack23
Footballguy
between yesterdays meltdown by the pen and todays meltdown by Joba the Joba to the pen stories are gonna be loud and clear.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Dear Joba
You're not going to last long throwing more balls than strikes
You're not going to last long throwing more balls than strikes
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Joba belongs in the pen, and should take over when Mo retires.Like this?
blackjack23
Footballguy
Does David price belong in the pen? TB did the same thing with him yet I dont hear the same idiocy from mediaheads about Price belonging in the pen. All Im saying is Joba should be given a year to start. If its determined he cant start then the transition to the pen is simple and can be done in the future.Giantseasonticketholder said:
thehornet
Footballguy
gotta be schtick.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Suck it
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Joba off the hook.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Man In The Box
Footballguy
If Bruney keeps pitching like this, and Mariano is healthy, this will become a non-issue.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
....And Captain Clutch strikes again.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
6-5 on the HR by the captain. Not that that alone puts him in the HOF, I'm just sayin'
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Seriously, there has never been a worse umpire in the history of professional baseball than Phil Cuzzi. Horrid call on what should have been strike 3, and a possibly even worse call on DeRosa for the one that WAS called strike 3.
He sucks SO badly, how the hell does he have a job?!?
He sucks SO badly, how the hell does he have a job?!?
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Righetti
Footballguy
the house that Derek built
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
If he keeps this up, he may actually win that MVP trophy he earned in 2006.
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
I heard there is some really good food at the New Stadium.
Bogart
Footballguy
Jeter as a Yankee = HOFJeter as a Pirate <> HOFI don't really see the comparision to Ripken. I think more like Julio Franco with more chances to produce in the spotlight thanks to the team he is on. The gold gloves are a joke as well.Great player, probably a really good team guy, and I have always respected how he handles himself off the field, but not a Hall of Famer.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
He's going to probably end up with at least 3300 hits. At least. Probably more. He's a HOF no matter what team he played for.
Bogart
Footballguy
The only way he reaches 3300 hits is if he is DHing for someone for several years. I don't think his ego will let him do that. No way in Hades does he reach 3300 hits as a SS. I think he hangs it up way before then.One thing that helps him in getting to 3000 is the fact that he is in the top 5 every season for ABs. If he is hitting leadoff for a team like Pittsburgh or Washington, that is a lot of 1-4 or 2-3 days as opposed to 3-6 or 2-5. Not to mention hitting in a stacked lineup helps. You really don't pitch around Jeter to get to Ryan Zimmerman.
cosjobs
Footballguy
In his defense, he thought it was Backwards Day.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Jeter being in the top 5 in ABs every year was a guess on your part? I think he's only been top 5 twice, top 10 four times, I believe. DHing for someone for several years? By the end of this season, he'll be over 2700, barring injury. That's 600 away from 3300. I think he'll switch positions eventually, sure. Probably to the OF. By the time he's DHing, if that ever happens, he'll be long past 3300, IMO. The argument that this guy isn't a HOF caliber player is laughable.
Bogart
Footballguy
Plate Appearances 1997 AL--748--1st 1999 AL--739--1st 2002 AL--730--2nd 2004 AL--721--5th 2005 AL--752--1st 2006 AL--715--5th 2007 AL--714--4thAt Bats 1997 AL--654--3rd 1998 AL--626--6th 1999 AL--627--6th 2002 AL--644--4th 2004 AL--643--4th 2005 AL--654--3rd 2006 AL--623--9th 2007 AL--639--4th EDIT: Added ABs with PAs, just to be fair.
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Man In The Box
Footballguy
You would be even more fair if you included the other league in you analysis. You know, since you're argument is based on Jeter playing for the Pirates and Nationals. You're really reaching here, BTW.
cosjobs
Footballguy
You consider that reaching? Is that schtick?
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Using a player's number of plate appearances as a reason why he's not a HOFer, when said player is a career .316 hitter is reaching, yes.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
His numbers that he posted are American League only. I was using all of MLB.
Bogart
Footballguy
Not reaching. You simply said I was guessing at a stat, and I wanted to show you that I was not. Since I am bored, let's continue with this idea of Jeter playing with the Pirates. I will put the 7 seasons that Jeter was in the top 11 in MLB in Plate Appearances and match it against the best PA number on the whole Pirate team for that year...PAs - Jeter1997 MLB--748--1st (4 more than 2nd)1999 MLB--739--2nd2002 MLB--730--2nd 2004 MLB--721--8th 2005 MLB--752--1st (20 more than 2nd)2006 MLB--715--11th 2007 MLB--714--10thTotal - 5119PAs - Leading Pirate1997--5721999--6752002--6442004--6932005--7072006--6892007--653Total - 4633That is 69.5 more PAs that the highest Pirate each year. At a 0.316 BA that is 21 more hits per year, or 147 over that same time frame. 285 hits over his career to this point. Giving him 2237 hits at this point. Long way off from 3000. And this is just assuming that he would be the Pirate with the most PAs, have the same protection in the lineup, etc. etc.It is not a reach in the least that being on the Yankees has helped Jeter's career.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Right, but hitting .316 with the Pirates over that time would mean he was by FAR the team's best hitter. As such, he'd have hit 3rd rather than 1st or leadoff, and he'd probably have a bunch of 100-RBI seasons. We can play the hypothetical game all day here. Let's face it; part of the reason the Pirates PA leader doesn't have a lot of PA is because they've rarely had talented players that remained with them all season long. A better comparison (which may help your argument, I don't know) is to see how many PA the typical Pirates #2 hitter had. If that number is far off from Jeter's totals, you may be onto something.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i hate the Yankees 
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Wow. I used to think you knew something about baseball, too.
