Do you honestly believe Yankee-"haters" stopped posting because we asked them to play nice? Cmon on man. Dont be foolish.I didn't go anywhereListen, I'm as diplomatic a guy as you'll find around here with regards to other fans...but let's stop pretending that you guys went away simply because RN asked you to...I would be in here talking about what a great weekend the Yanks had but all non-die hard Yankee fans were told we were trolls and we wouldnt be entertained if we came into this thread.Now that you're winning do you want the non-Yankee fans back in the thread? Pick one - can't have it both ways.
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As bad as this team has played they are only 1 GB of the Red Sox. The Blue Jays are not winning this division so Im not even counting them. The Jays are not this years Rays. The Rays last year had talent that the Jays does not even come close to. They will fizzle out.
Now about the Yanks. The bullpen is still crappy. Aceves could be a valuable weapon down the stretch and Bruney should be back tomorrow so hopefully things improve. Id release veras as hes a waste of a roster slot. The lineup is deeper with the return of ARod and Tex starting to hit. Posada should be back soon and Nady maybe back in a month. The bench is starting to play better as pena is a very good utility player (can field all positions really well and usually puts up a representitive at bat. Gardner is also a good 4th outfielder. The rotation is pitching like we all expected and Wang should be back for his next start. Not sure if the Yanks are a playoff team but it doesnt look like they are the team that played .500 ball in April.
Now about the Yanks. The bullpen is still crappy. Aceves could be a valuable weapon down the stretch and Bruney should be back tomorrow so hopefully things improve. Id release veras as hes a waste of a roster slot. The lineup is deeper with the return of ARod and Tex starting to hit. Posada should be back soon and Nady maybe back in a month. The bench is starting to play better as pena is a very good utility player (can field all positions really well and usually puts up a representitive at bat. Gardner is also a good 4th outfielder. The rotation is pitching like we all expected and Wang should be back for his next start. Not sure if the Yanks are a playoff team but it doesnt look like they are the team that played .500 ball in April.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
GL my friend. Going to my first game at the new stadium on Friday.
Finless
Footballguy
How so? I guess I'm not following along. The Yankees are one game behind the Red Sox and a handful behind Toronto. The Yankee Payroll is equal to that of both teams. Not exactly an efficient operation going on over there.Liquid Tension said:You lose a lot of respect when you post the above FinlessFinless said:
Reaper
Footballguy
Do the Yankees have the most talent in baseball or not?How so? I guess I'm not following along. The Yankees are one game behind the Red Sox and a handful behind Toronto. The Yankee Payroll is equal to that of both teams. Not exactly an efficient operation going on over there.Liquid Tension said:You lose a lot of respect when you post the above FinlessFinless said:
I don't think they do myself....
Finless
Footballguy
I honestly think they do. At least very close to it. And if they don't how is all that salary money justified?Do the Yankees have the most talent in baseball or not?How so? I guess I'm not following along. The Yankees are one game behind the Red Sox and a handful behind Toronto. The Yankee Payroll is equal to that of both teams. Not exactly an efficient operation going on over there.Liquid Tension said:You lose a lot of respect when you post the above FinlessFinless said:
I don't think they do myself....
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Cost of living is higher in NYC, Brah.I honestly think they do. At least very close to it. And if they don't how is all that salary money justified?Do the Yankees have the most talent in baseball or not?How so? I guess I'm not following along. The Yankees are one game behind the Red Sox and a handful behind Toronto. The Yankee Payroll is equal to that of both teams. Not exactly an efficient operation going on over there.Liquid Tension said:You lose a lot of respect when you post the above FinlessFinless said:
I don't think they do myself....
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
First excursion to the new ballpark tonight
Cmon sweep!
Cmon sweep!
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
same here.. friend had an extra ticket
Michael Brown
Footballguy
If I'm not mistaken, I think Shady bought 2 of my tickets for tonight's game. If so, have fun bro!
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Tex and ARoid b2b.
And Chris Berman still sucks as a commentator.
And Chris Berman still sucks as a commentator.
flysack
Footballguy
I agree Finless. I would much rather listen to people cry, moan, and whine about how the Yankees are ruining baseball by buying championships, than how they can't live up to their payroll. I have a better idea though: stuff a tampon in your mouth and write a letter to Bud Selig instead.
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
flysack
Footballguy
When Jeter won his first World Series, Cervelli was 10 years old.I expect the SLG=AVG equation will mature as he does. I find it encouraging that he takes good ABs, can lay down a quality bunt, and plays good defense. He may never have Posada's power, but I'd be perfectly happy with a quality defensive catcher who hits for average.SLG=AVG does not equal bat. His defense is fine, but lets not get carried away here.
I was just speculating anyway. After all, he wouldn't be called into a starter's role for a couple years - barring a nasty injury.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I hope you didn't get hurt jumping off the bridge.This team has way too much talent to be below .500. They got off to a bad start and have been injured (still are). But they are getting healthier. Remember, they are still without their starting catcher (and backup), their starting RF (and one of the few righties off the bench), their #2/3 starter, one of their 2 lefties in the pen and their setup guy.If this team is healthy, they are VERY strong.
Thanks it was an awesome game. Your seats are pretty good for grandstand
The line drive single he had was the hardest hit ball hes had in the majors so far. Hes a horrible hitter thats getting lucky hitting alot of dribblers up the middle. He has zero power. his defense is solid but Id still rather Molina.
What does their recent streak have to do with my comments? I still think Cashman should be fired and especially Trost and Levine.
Reaper
Footballguy
The biggest knock IMO was the Santana decision and even here people were mixed on that...Overall, this team Cashman put together, with the pitching at the top has as good a shot as they have in along time if healthy and in the playoffs.I'm fine with Cashman and Girardi - Levine, meh but, whatever... The Yankee franchise is and always will be about making money and "mistakes" or not at the new park, they are and will make money.Not sure why Colbolt gets all nutty..... Granted the Santana deal was a mistake looking back but, every once in a while, even the Yankees need to roll the dice over spending the money and they gave some guys a shot and got their pitching the following year.What does their recent streak have to do with my comments? I still think Cashman should be fired and especially Trost and Levine.
Any moron can go out and spend the money on the best players. Its the other deals where hes miserably failed. And I still say the Burnett deal bites them in the ### although Ive tempered my disapproval for that signing right now.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
This doesn't even merit a response, but I will bite. First, living in NY is expensive, Manhattan is absolutely nuts. The Yankees will always have a higher payroll. That is the way it is. But, let me ask you this, did any Yankee fan even once say something that it is obvious Boston is doing better because they had the 2nd highest payroll when they won? (or 3rd?) No, it is the way the game is played. Not only that, how much of that Yankee payroll is/was on the DL? $50 mil? The Yankees sometimes have to pay a little more for players (Florida for example doesn't have the income tax) as the cost of living is expensive. Do the Yankees have an advantage going in? Absolutely, does it guarantee anything, no. Boston has the same advantage over almost every other team in the majors and the same applies there. One thing that is true is that Steinbrenner was one of the poorer owners in the game, but he knew that if he pumped money into the team and created a good product they could grow in value. The Yankees have a high payroll mostly because they are the draw EVERYWHERE. If you go to another park (say Texas), the games where the Yankees come in there is a premium on those games. They actually raise the prices of tickets just because it is the Yankees. That is creating your own market.Boston should just be happy that they don't take their titles away that were obviously won because of Manny and Papi roiding. At least ARod did it before he came to the Yankees so the Yankees titles were realHow so? I guess I'm not following along. The Yankees are one game behind the Red Sox and a handful behind Toronto. The Yankee Payroll is equal to that of both teams. Not exactly an efficient operation going on over there.You lose a lot of respect when you post the above Finless
I just wanted to defend my position a little bit more here. You can name the good free agent signings that Cashman has made on less than one hand. Mussina and Damon and thats it. Now lets go over all the bad signings (and Im sure Ill forget a ton): Karsay, Farnsworth, Giambi (had some decent seasons hitting but was often injured and its stupid to give a DH a 7 yr deal), Pavano, Wright, White, Lofton, etc. Thats not even counting the horrible contracts he gave Posada, ARod, & Marte. Im assuming Sabathia & Teixeira will work out and Burnett is still up in the air. Now dont get me wrong hes been very good at trades (Soriano for ARod, getting Justice, Abreu, Nady) but hes had some stinkers there as well (Lilly for Weaver, then Brown, getting Vazquez and then Unit). Finally the Yankees have drafted 2 impact players in like the last 10 yrs (Hughes & Chamberlain) and the jury is still out on Hughes. All GMs have hits and misses but Cashman's misses far outway his hits.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I am not so sure you can blame injuries on Cashman. Our minor leagues are FAR better than they were 5 years ago and that takes awhile to build up. Pena and Cervelli have come up and contributed when we needed them. We have a pormising young stud catcher in Montero and many other solid prospects. We might not have the best minor leagues, but we went from one of teh worst to a upper echelon minor leagues.This off season was a very good one for Cashman, regardless of whether it works out; it was extremely well done. We gave extended contracts to Posada and Rivera which was probably as much as a thank you as anything else, yet Rivera still is chugging along and Posada has teh talent still but injuries have derailed him. While being older may make you more injury prone, it is hard to blame cashman for those signings, especilaly when you see teh dearth of catching out there and teh idea was to get Posada to hand teh ball to Montero (with maybe a year in between).Signing ARod was very smart, but tacking on those last 3 years was very stupid. I think his last 2 years will be painful, but the Yanks may figure they will make it up with the money they get for him breaking the HR record? They did a horrible job of negotiating against themselves, but when you are dealing with money like that, I am not so sure that is Cashman's fault. Levine and Trost, you may be correct about, but thsi team is very strong and teh fact they hadn;t been playing well should not detract from that.I think Cashman has a pretty good idea of what to do. The Yanks cleared some payroll last year and spent it wisely this offseason. Next year, Cashman should continue to purge the older guys and either sign sub 30 free agents and/or turn the positions over to youth. Damon, Matsui and probably Nady will be gone. Damon has played great, but I do not want to sign a 36 year old guy unless it is for a year or maybe 2, but I doubt he will only take a one year deal. I believe Damon will come back to earth and finish with an OPS around his .830 last year. Hopefully he could give us an .830 the rest of the way and finish higher. Who knows, maybe he could stay hot, but over .900 would be asking a ton. Remember that he has never hit 25 homers and he is on a pace to hit 44! Also, his defense is shaky at best and that is not including the weakest arm in the majors. His range is above average for a LF'r, but his glove is very shaky. Getting back to Cashman, I was critical of not pulling the trigger on the Santana deal, I think that was a mistake for a team like the Yankees when you can get a top player at a position, you do it and then fill in with Gardner types. But, it was not absurd for him not to do it when Santana did show a slight loss of velocity and he did struggle (for him) in the 2nd half of 2008. Overall, there are a lot of worse GM's out there. What is hurting for the Yankees is that Boston has a very good manager and a good GM as well. I wrote before the year that I really liked the signings the Red Sox made such Saito because they had little risk and a lot of upside. I compared the OPS against of Saito's to Rivera's and it was similar; I believe Saito got something like 2 mil a year; that was a great signing!I thought getting Swisher was a good value and I think he would be better if Nady were in the mix to give the guys rest and better matchup opportunities.The Yanks are one down from Boston and after getting their lunch handed to them in games against the Sox and the injuries, that is pretty good. Toronto has talent and I think they are better than people think, but I do believe Boston and the Yanks are better. TB is still a good team as well so the competition is tough, but I like our chances if we can get healthy and remain normally healthy (a few injuries is normal)What does their recent streak have to do with my comments? I still think Cashman should be fired and especially Trost and Levine.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Um, no.They have the highest payroll because they sell advertising, via their own cable network, to the most densely populated area in the US.This doesn't even merit a response, but I will bite. First, living in NY is expensive, Manhattan is absolutely nuts. The Yankees will always have a higher payroll. That is the way it is. But, let me ask you this, did any Yankee fan even once say something that it is obvious Boston is doing better because they had the 2nd highest payroll when they won? (or 3rd?) No, it is the way the game is played. Not only that, how much of that Yankee payroll is/was on the DL? $50 mil? The Yankees sometimes have to pay a little more for players (Florida for example doesn't have the income tax) as the cost of living is expensive. Do the Yankees have an advantage going in? Absolutely, does it guarantee anything, no. Boston has the same advantage over almost every other team in the majors and the same applies there. One thing that is true is that Steinbrenner was one of the poorer owners in the game, but he knew that if he pumped money into the team and created a good product they could grow in value. The Yankees have a high payroll mostly because they are the draw EVERYWHERE. If you go to another park (say Texas), the games where the Yankees come in there is a premium on those games. They actually raise the prices of tickets just because it is the Yankees. That is creating your own market.Boston should just be happy that they don't take their titles away that were obviously won because of Manny and Papi roiding. At least ARod did it before he came to the Yankees so the Yankees titles were realHow so? I guess I'm not following along. The Yankees are one game behind the Red Sox and a handful behind Toronto. The Yankee Payroll is equal to that of both teams. Not exactly an efficient operation going on over there.You lose a lot of respect when you post the above Finless
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I think that is fair, but I think most of the signings you bring up are mid level ones. Saying the ARod signing was bad is hard to quantify as he is a great player and the team is far better with him than not having him. I will say that the last years of the contract will be bad though. Saying Giambis signing was bad is off base though as he had an average of a .925 OPS for all the years with us. That is an excellent hitter, even if he was weak in the field. Having a DH that produces that is very good. Saying posada's was horrible as we know how valuable he is when The two impact signings is a little bit skewed as well based on our minor leagues being much better. Take a look at other GM's moves and you could be far more critical. Has he been the best, no, but he has been better than average and I am not sure if we will know for a few more years. BTW, the worst move he made was Kei Igawa.
BTW Yank fans are so annoying and hypocritical sometimes. I dont understand fans that boo ARod, Tex, etc when they struggle but did Pettitte really deserve a standing ovation last night? He was beyond horrible. Im not saying boo the guy but anything beyond a polite applause is stupid.
Finless
Footballguy
I won't blindly defend Boston like some of the chimps defend the Yankees. Sure Ortiz and Manny were both probably juicing. So was the rest of the league. Doesn't make it right though. You speak as if the payrolls are close. The Yankees pay 40% more in payroll than the Sox. Lets not go with this cost of living crap either. It doesn't cost much less to live in Boston and I don't think it really even applies. Are the SF Giants paying players more for cost of living? How bout the New York Giants? or the Jets? Or the Rangers? Padres? Lets call a spade a spade. If I were a Yankees fan I would probably see things like Cobalt. I'd be disgusted. And I wouldn't be talking about the Yankees ruining baseball. I'd be infuriated that they spend as much as they have with no results. Don't blindly defend your team, especially with excuses that do not make sense. Cost of livingLiquid Tension said:This doesn't even merit a response, but I will bite. First, living in NY is expensive, Manhattan is absolutely nuts. The Yankees will always have a higher payroll. That is the way it is. But, let me ask you this, did any Yankee fan even once say something that it is obvious Boston is doing better because they had the 2nd highest payroll when they won? (or 3rd?) No, it is the way the game is played. Not only that, how much of that Yankee payroll is/was on the DL? $50 mil? The Yankees sometimes have to pay a little more for players (Florida for example doesn't have the income tax) as the cost of living is expensive. Do the Yankees have an advantage going in? Absolutely, does it guarantee anything, no. Boston has the same advantage over almost every other team in the majors and the same applies there. One thing that is true is that Steinbrenner was one of the poorer owners in the game, but he knew that if he pumped money into the team and created a good product they could grow in value. The Yankees have a high payroll mostly because they are the draw EVERYWHERE. If you go to another park (say Texas), the games where the Yankees come in there is a premium on those games. They actually raise the prices of tickets just because it is the Yankees. That is creating your own market.Boston should just be happy that they don't take their titles away that were obviously won because of Manny and Papi roiding. At least ARod did it before he came to the Yankees so the Yankees titles were realHow so? I guess I'm not following along. The Yankees are one game behind the Red Sox and a handful behind Toronto. The Yankee Payroll is equal to that of both teams. Not exactly an efficient operation going on over there.You lose a lot of respect when you post the above Finless
That's absurd. The problem is Papa Steinbrenner set a precedent. If you're a free agent, come milk the Yankees! I don't want to knock the Yankees. Respect the hell out of them actually. Lotta good ball players on that club. Just don't understand how the fans can sit back and blindly defend them when they've spent north of 15 hundred million over the last 8 years with no result on the field.
Reaper
Footballguy
I'm a Yankees fan who has always said that all sports should have a salary cap... MLB is what it is.I enjoy it for the entertainment, there's no doubt in the world that the Yankees have a huge advantage. That's part of what MLB is...
That said, You cannot just go out and buy all the best talent... And even if you did, there would never be a guarantee that the talent stayed healthy or performed up to par or even in NY.
I heard a sports guy the other day say something to the effect that Championship Baseball teams have most of their players perform around their average season and then probably 2-3 guys or so that have career years while the team stays relatively healthy... Money aside, I think that sounds about right for all teams... When the Yankees won and were considered a dynasty, they were also remarkably healthy with most of the team in it's prime....
Here you are a little over a month into the season telling us the Yankees have the most talent but, we should be ashamed at their record when the most expensive and most talented player has barely played - to me that doesn't compute - I'll save my disgust for now.
This team here I like but, at this point, you have guys like Jeter, Posada and Rivera getting paid on what they did those past years... Call that a "Luxury" if you will but, really for winning baseball managment, I'm not sure that's the best thing. Overall maybe it makes the Yankees just as much or more money having them. But, I was always a fan who looked at the long term and always felt the "Stars" should just be let go when they weren't producing to their salary.... I remember being young and watching the Islanders go from a dynasty to a team that tried to hold on way too long and now haven't won a thing in 20 years.... I wanted to get rid of Patrick Ewing years early and completely rebuild and look at what's happened... NADA.
Heck, maybe it's those Islander and Knicks teams that will NEVER allow be to be disgusted with these Yankees.... Add the Jets. Uggghh.
The Yankees did make the playoffs every year except one in a long while - I find it hard to be disgusted... Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. Even when they won ANYTHING happened. - Heck, the one year the Yankees were taken down by freaking Midges - I can't be disgusted with that, that's life.
This team is expensive... It's also OLD... But, if they can get healthy and stay healthy, they do have talent and I think the starting pitching can give them a good shot over guys like Moose and Wang going 1-2 in recent years.
This is what's so great about Sports though.... Cobalt has some legit gripes about specific moves but, as a Yankee fan, I feel blessed to have witnessed what I have. I went many years without watching Championships and 1996 and on has been a lot of fun IMO....
To me, Colbolt can sound like the "Typical Yankee Fan" who feels entitled to MORE.... Hey, it's sports, it's humans, things don't always go the Yankees way... Everyone wanted Pavano, it didn't work out.
I absolutely HATED the Giambi deal.... And people say the Yankees can cover mistakes and buy anyone, I think the Giambi deal killed a few other deals and even Pavano made them gun shy.
Also The model the Yankess are almost forced to live by (God Forbid they don't sign Jeter or Rivera) makes it so, Team Chemistry can often be hard to find... Team chemistry is HUGE for winning teams, again Money or no money. And again, I think this team has been and could be better in that dept than we have seen in a while.
You want to talk Disgusted, talk to my Met fan friends... I'd like to see Percentage wise what the Mets outspend the rest of the national league compared to the Yankees and the rest of the AL.
And what have the Mets done.. You can't look at the Mets and say, "Well, they are giving a HOF X time Champion, Career Met a bit of a NY salary jump to stick around past his prime"... The Mets actually have incredible deals that Wright and Reyes foolishly signed and Still spend more than NL teams by a good deal. The Yankee salary has some Yankee waste in it leftover from the last party... What do the Mets have? To me, they have a talented team with little wasted Money but A LOT spent and much less results.
As a Yankee fan, I feel blessed... No I don't agree with every move. No I don't blindly follow them. Heck, as I've said, I sold Toss the Boss shirts in the 80's...
I do like this team though. I think a good deal of that is No Giambi and better starting pitching.
The minor leagues are looking up... The team is having fun again.... Not only am I not disgusted, I like this team more than I have in the past 7 years!!!!
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Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Again, I am not sure how you equate an OPS of about .850 as horrible? The guy was always an iron horse from a playing standpoint and he got hurt? I wish most of our players hit that horribly.jobarules said:
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I agree, I don't understand why fans would ever boo one of our players, unless he dogged a play? I mean don't you want him to do well? If so, then what is the best way to get max out of him? i would say support him or don't say anything. People who boo our players arejobarules said:
in my opinion (again as long as they didn't dog it)
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I think you are way off base. First no results? Making the playoffs EVERY year but one is a very good result. I am sure you are smart enough to understand that the playoffs are somewhat of a crap shoot so making the playoffs is an excellent result. Second, Manhattan is the most expensive city in the US bar none! This is not debatable. Third, is Boston the 3rd highest payroll? I believe that has been the case, behind the Mets. You have yet to use any logic in your argument, instead you say I am making excuses that are off base. You have yet to refute anything I have said. They have made the playoffs EVERY year except last year and they were decimated with injuries (is that a bad excuse?)I have been the first person to criticize the Yankees and I have been on Jeter's defense before anyone else here was talking about it. I will also be critical of any player or manager, but some of the comments here are absurd. I don't think the Yankees are perfect, in fact, the Yankees do have an advantage and I think they should make the playoffs 80% of the time, but that does not mean that such hyperbole and off comments such as "with their payroll they should win 135 games" isn't ignorant!Sorry finless, your post is worthlessI won't blindly defend Boston like some of the chimps defend the Yankees. Sure Ortiz and Manny were both probably juicing. So was the rest of the league. Doesn't make it right though. You speak as if the payrolls are close. The Yankees pay 40% more in payroll than the Sox. Lets not go with this cost of living crap either. It doesn't cost much less to live in Boston and I don't think it really even applies. Are the SF Giants paying players more for cost of living? How bout the New York Giants? or the Jets? Or the Rangers? Padres? Lets call a spade a spade. If I were a Yankees fan I would probably see things like Cobalt. I'd be disgusted. And I wouldn't be talking about the Yankees ruining baseball. I'd be infuriated that they spend as much as they have with no results. Don't blindly defend your team, especially with excuses that do not make sense. Cost of livingLiquid Tension said:This doesn't even merit a response, but I will bite. First, living in NY is expensive, Manhattan is absolutely nuts. The Yankees will always have a higher payroll. That is the way it is. But, let me ask you this, did any Yankee fan even once say something that it is obvious Boston is doing better because they had the 2nd highest payroll when they won? (or 3rd?) No, it is the way the game is played. Not only that, how much of that Yankee payroll is/was on the DL? $50 mil? The Yankees sometimes have to pay a little more for players (Florida for example doesn't have the income tax) as the cost of living is expensive. Do the Yankees have an advantage going in? Absolutely, does it guarantee anything, no. Boston has the same advantage over almost every other team in the majors and the same applies there. One thing that is true is that Steinbrenner was one of the poorer owners in the game, but he knew that if he pumped money into the team and created a good product they could grow in value. The Yankees have a high payroll mostly because they are the draw EVERYWHERE. If you go to another park (say Texas), the games where the Yankees come in there is a premium on those games. They actually raise the prices of tickets just because it is the Yankees. That is creating your own market.Boston should just be happy that they don't take their titles away that were obviously won because of Manny and Papi roiding. At least ARod did it before he came to the Yankees so the Yankees titles were realHow so? I guess I'm not following along. The Yankees are one game behind the Red Sox and a handful behind Toronto. The Yankee Payroll is equal to that of both teams. Not exactly an efficient operation going on over there.You lose a lot of respect when you post the above Finless
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
According to baseballreference.com this team is younger in both its pitching and hitting than any year after 1996.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
but I do have to say that Rivera and Posada are worth their contracts if they are healthy (that may be a big if). Jeter should be let go when he is done or maybe he will understand and play for one more year afterward and at that point they can see what he is doing. These 3 do deserve a little payback for what they have given to the fans and I am OK with that because we do have the luxury, but let's not get carried away. I was the first to say good bye to Tino and Oneill as it was time. I think bernie should have gone a year earlier as well, but I hold a higher place for Rivera with Jeter and Posada below him and above Bernie who is above Tino and Oneill.BTW, does anyone have a lits of oldest teams on the 25 man roster? I am surprised if the Yanks are the oldest?
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Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Thanks for answering my question. Everyone kept saying we were old and I thought we were younger this year and after Damon and Matsui leave we will get younger. A good plan is in place folks!
Injuries certainly come into play when I say it looks horrible. You sign older player to long deals and injuries are always a greater risk.
Oh come on. Thats twisting facts around to make your argument look good. Most of the key players on this team are over 30. Its the bench and bullpen (things that the Yanks have usually had experience in the past) that Cashman cheaped out and we have a bunch of younger players.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I don't really have a dog in this fight but Tex, Cano, Swisher, Joba, CC, Hughes, Wang, Melky, Bruney, Aceves, Coke and Gardner are all under 30. A-Rod is 33, Nady is 30, Burnett is 32. Jeter is 35, Damon is 35, Matsui is 35, Posada is 37 and Rivera is 39.
Like I said most of the key players (bold) are over 30 and the bullpen and bench <30
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Finless
Footballguy
Worthless?Well you believe wrong. They're 4th in Payoll $80 million behind the Yankees. That's 3 A-Rods. Or the entire Blue Jays team as I pointed out earlier. Now does the cost of living only effect the Yankees? I'm trying to understand you here. Because it doesn't seem to have much of an impact on any other New York team or the other teams I listed. You chose to ignore that. Just answer that question. Or why a team that outspent every other team by close to $100 million the last few years can't win a pennant. The playoffs are a crapshoot? Really? And I'm the one not smart enough to understand
The same teams must be some good dice rollers. No one gives a #### about playoffs. You spend 200 million a year for a decade you should bring home some hardware.I'm not trying to fish you here. I just don't understand how you're not disgusted.Darth Cheney
Footballguy
How is 7 under 30 and 8 over 30 mean most key players are over 30?I don't have a problem with the fact that Matsui,Damon,Swisher and Nady are going to be taking two OF spots. This negates the age factor a bit. That puts experience on the bench. Plus, Damon looks pretty darn decent as an everyday player right now. The writings on the wall that both Damon and Matsui's roles are going to be further reduced after this year so the OF will most most definitely trend younger next year.
I think that as the year goes on....you'll see Posada in more of a platoon situation. I don't have a problem with that.
Rivera hasn't lost much and I don't think A-Rod has either.
Let's be honest about the WS teams in the past too. Its not like those teams had strapping youngsters in their prime in every position and veterans on the bench. Those teams relied on veterans such as Boggs, Chili, Charlie Hayes, Sojo, Raines, Straw, Sierra, Leyritz, Cecil Fielder, Girardi, Justice and Mariano Duncan in a number of everyday situations.
ETA: and that's not even bringing up the starting pitching which was ancient compared to what they have now.
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Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Are you saying that we should be angry at the Front Office because they've spent all this money and have very little to show for it?Worthless?Well you believe wrong. They're 4th in Payoll $80 million behind the Yankees. That's 3 A-Rods. Or the entire Blue Jays team as I pointed out earlier. Now does the cost of living only effect the Yankees? I'm trying to understand you here. Because it doesn't seem to have much of an impact on any other New York team or the other teams I listed. You chose to ignore that. Just answer that question. Or why a team that outspent every other team by close to $100 million the last few years can't win a pennant. The playoffs are a crapshoot? Really? And I'm the one not smart enough to understand
Finless
Footballguy
Pretty much. I'd be pissed. Just like I get pissed at Red Sox ownership when they sometimes fail to open their pockets. I've been saying it since the beginning of the year the Sox missed the boat and I honestly don't think they have the firepower to go to the series this year. You don't lose Manny (and Ortiz) production and replace it with Jason Bay and improve.And I guess it's not really being mad at them for spending money. It's for not getting enough out of that money on the field.Darth Cheney said:Are you saying that we should be angry at the Front Office because they've spent all this money and have very little to show for it?Finless said:Worthless?Well you believe wrong. They're 4th in Payoll $80 million behind the Yankees. That's 3 A-Rods. Or the entire Blue Jays team as I pointed out earlier. Now does the cost of living only effect the Yankees? I'm trying to understand you here. Because it doesn't seem to have much of an impact on any other New York team or the other teams I listed. You chose to ignore that. Just answer that question. Or why a team that outspent every other team by close to $100 million the last few years can't win a pennant. The playoffs are a crapshoot? Really? And I'm the one not smart enough to understandLiquid Tension said:The same teams must be some good dice rollers. No one gives a #### about playoffs. You spend 200 million a year for a decade you should bring home some hardware.I'm not trying to fish you here. I just don't understand how you're not disgusted.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Finless said:Worthless?Well you believe wrong. They're 4th in Payoll $80 million behind the Yankees. That's 3 A-Rods. Or the entire Blue Jays team as I pointed out earlier. Now does the cost of living only effect the Yankees? I'm trying to understand you here. Because it doesn't seem to have much of an impact on any other New York team or the other teams I listed. You chose to ignore that. Just answer that question. Or why a team that outspent every other team by close to $100 million the last few years can't win a pennant. The playoffs are a crapshoot? Really? And I'm the one not smart enough to understandLiquid Tension said:
I'm not trying to fish you here. I just don't understand how you're not disgusted.
on the bolded part...But let me dissect your rambling. Please ask me a straight question and I will answer.The only 3 questions I see are:
1) Am I disgusted with the Yankees? The answer is no as I have said, making the playoffs every recent year except one injury depleted year is not enough to make me disgusted. The Yankees still won 89 games with the injuries.
2) Does the cost of living only impact the Yankees? Not sure what your question is because cost of living impacts the people living in the NY metro area and some other areas just not at the same level (although it can be close); hard to imagine you don't get the point that some states don't have a state tax on earnings. Hard for me to understand that you don't understand the cost of land in some areas is more expensive than others. Maybe I just assumed certain things to be common sense?
3) Are the playoffs a crap shoot? YES. I thought that most knowledgeable fans were well aware of this, but let me help you Finless. The average division winner over the past 2 years wins about 57% of their games. This number includes games against weaker teams as well. So against all competition 43% of the time you would lose. Now, when all you are faced with are other teams that all have over a 50% winning % (the usual scenario), what are the odds of winning? There is an incredible amount of luck that goes into winning a 7 game series and obviously even more so in a 5 game series. The Yankees lost on a broken bat bloop jam shot. There were times the Yankees got lucky. Sometimes it is one crucial missed strike 3 call or whatever, but there is no denying that the better team does not always win otherwise the team with the best record would win. I mean i would think that a 162 game schedule would be a better indicator of success than a few games, right?
Another factor is that the idiotic way baseball has so many games off in the playoffs which makes one dominant pitcher even more important as he could pitch 40% of the games in a 5 game series and/or 43% of the games in a 7 game series. This leads to the team with best ONE pitcher having a great advantage and not leading to the best TEAM to win.
I think this is pretty much common knowledge
