Anyone else reconsidering Joba to the pen
 The guy absolutely sucks in the 1st inning.
  The guy absolutely sucks in the 1st inning.Not me, but I can't speak for othersAnyone else reconsidering Joba to the pen
 
 Too much nibbling IMOJoba is such an infuriating pitcher. He maintains a good ERA, can throw for strikes, and rarely gets tagged for a loss, but he throws WAY too many pitches and his WHIP has to be astronomical. It seems like every inning has two or three guys on base. If you watch him, he has dynamite stuff, but he struggles with control. Despite this, he rarely gives up the big inning. It's mind-boggling. And ultimately that's what I think it is for him: his control issue is a mental thing. When he absolutely needs to get an out, he does. But he loses concentration early on. Perhaps he just isn't aggressive enough until he NEEDS an out, i.e. he needs a pressure situation to focus.Which would make him great in the bullpen.Except he has the stamina to be a starter and the Yankees need young starting pitching. He needs to be coached better, IMO. Or go through a full season as a starter and work out the kinks. Something. The guy drives me up a wall. He could be a dominant starter if he could only keep focus.Anyone else see the same thing I'm seeing? What is it with this guy?
Umm hes still young. This is his first full season starting in the majors. Have some patience.Joba is such an infuriating pitcher. He maintains a good ERA, can throw for strikes, and rarely gets tagged for a loss, but he throws WAY too many pitches and his WHIP has to be astronomical. It seems like every inning has two or three guys on base.
If you watch him, he has dynamite stuff, but he struggles with control. Despite this, he rarely gives up the big inning. It's mind-boggling. And ultimately that's what I think it is for him: his control issue is a mental thing. When he absolutely needs to get an out, he does. But he loses concentration early on. Perhaps he just isn't aggressive enough until he NEEDS an out, i.e. he needs a pressure situation to focus.
Which would make him great in the bullpen.
Except he has the stamina to be a starter and the Yankees need young starting pitching.
He needs to be coached better, IMO. Or go through a full season as a starter and work out the kinks. Something.
The guy drives me up a wall. He could be a dominant starter if he could only keep focus.
Anyone else see the same thing I'm seeing? What is it with this guy?
Did you hear them talking about how he was pitching (in his mind) the first inning in the BP before the game. He threw with 15 to 18 pitches with a batter and tried to make himself think it was the second inning when he went on the real mound.Umm hes still young. This is his first full season starting in the majors. Have some patience.Joba is such an infuriating pitcher. He maintains a good ERA, can throw for strikes, and rarely gets tagged for a loss, but he throws WAY too many pitches and his WHIP has to be astronomical. It seems like every inning has two or three guys on base.
If you watch him, he has dynamite stuff, but he struggles with control. Despite this, he rarely gives up the big inning. It's mind-boggling. And ultimately that's what I think it is for him: his control issue is a mental thing. When he absolutely needs to get an out, he does. But he loses concentration early on. Perhaps he just isn't aggressive enough until he NEEDS an out, i.e. he needs a pressure situation to focus.
Which would make him great in the bullpen.
Except he has the stamina to be a starter and the Yankees need young starting pitching.
He needs to be coached better, IMO. Or go through a full season as a starter and work out the kinks. Something.
The guy drives me up a wall. He could be a dominant starter if he could only keep focus.
Anyone else see the same thing I'm seeing? What is it with this guy?
I would agreeHard to believe the Yankees are tied for 1st with the start they had. I think they can take the AL East.
Wheres the guy who thought we were crazy to think the Yanks were a playoff contendor?Hard to believe the Yankees are tied for 1st with the start they had. I think they can take the AL East.
It's suddenly a lot easier with the Rays returning to mediocrity. Once again, it seems to be about the Red Sox and Yankees. Dogs are once again chasing cats, etc. The thing is, the Yanks still have some kinks to work out. Posada has yet to come back. Wang is still rehabing and is a huge question mark for the rest of the season. Is Phil Hughes finally evolving into a MLB pitcher? Will Chamerblain learn to attack hitters early? But - - CC worked out his first month jitters to become our ace.- Texieria worked out his first month jitters to become our dominant #3 (and a hell of a defensive 1st baseman!)- A-Rod is back and hitting and playing the field well.- Melky may have "arrived" as a MLB player. Hopefully his shoulder injury isn't a concern. All of that has the Yanks even with Boston. But they can get much better. The thing I like about the Yankees is the way they act around each other. They seem loose and comfortable as a team, and that hasn't been the case for a few years now. Swisher has been great, but Burnett has been a surprising clubhouse guy. I love the shaving cream pies he's given everyone. I also think having Melky and Cano on the same bench brings a sense of spirit to the team as a whole. Those guys are best friends and are constantly heckling each other (in a good way). They help keep people loose. Even A-Rod seems like he's gelling with his teammates. For the first time in years, the Yankees look like they have "chemistry."Hard to believe the Yankees are tied for 1st with the start they had. I think they can take the AL East.
Yea. The look to the dugout was hilarious. It was like, "WTF is up with this guy?"Anybody see AJ Burnett's reaction last night when Cash came out to the mound and didnt even talk to himClassic

The thing I like about the Yankees is the way they act around each other. They seem loose and comfortable as a team, and that hasn't been the case for a few years now. Swisher has been great, but Burnett has been a surprising clubhouse guy. I love the shaving cream pies he's given everyone. I also think having Melky and Cano on the same bench brings a sense of spirit to the team as a whole. Those guys are best friends and are constantly heckling each other (in a good way). They help keep people loose. Even A-Rod seems like he's gelling with his teammates. For the first time in years, the Yankees look like they have "chemistry."
 It's a great departure from the sullen group we've had over the last few years.  Not sure the direction of causality here, but their 8-3 record in close (1 run) victories suggests that they may be a more confident, clutch group than in previous years past.
It's a great departure from the sullen group we've had over the last few years.  Not sure the direction of causality here, but their 8-3 record in close (1 run) victories suggests that they may be a more confident, clutch group than in previous years past.Umm hes still young. This is his first full season starting in the majors. Have some patience.Joba is such an infuriating pitcher. He maintains a good ERA, can throw for strikes, and rarely gets tagged for a loss, but he throws WAY too many pitches and his WHIP has to be astronomical. It seems like every inning has two or three guys on base.
If you watch him, he has dynamite stuff, but he struggles with control. Despite this, he rarely gives up the big inning. It's mind-boggling. And ultimately that's what I think it is for him: his control issue is a mental thing. When he absolutely needs to get an out, he does. But he loses concentration early on. Perhaps he just isn't aggressive enough until he NEEDS an out, i.e. he needs a pressure situation to focus.
Which would make him great in the bullpen.
Except he has the stamina to be a starter and the Yankees need young starting pitching.
He needs to be coached better, IMO. Or go through a full season as a starter and work out the kinks. Something.
The guy drives me up a wall. He could be a dominant starter if he could only keep focus. <_<
Anyone else see the same thing I'm seeing? What is it with this guy?

Good post, but I think winning creates chemistry, not the other way around.It's suddenly a lot easier with the Rays returning to mediocrity. Once again, it seems to be about the Red Sox and Yankees. Dogs are once again chasing cats, etc. The thing is, the Yanks still have some kinks to work out. Posada has yet to come back. Wang is still rehabing and is a huge question mark for the rest of the season. Is Phil Hughes finally evolving into a MLB pitcher? Will Chamerblain learn to attack hitters early? But - - CC worked out his first month jitters to become our ace.- Texieria worked out his first month jitters to become our dominant #3 (and a hell of a defensive 1st baseman!)- A-Rod is back and hitting and playing the field well.- Melky may have "arrived" as a MLB player. Hopefully his shoulder injury isn't a concern. All of that has the Yanks even with Boston. But they can get much better. The thing I like about the Yankees is the way they act around each other. They seem loose and comfortable as a team, and that hasn't been the case for a few years now. Swisher has been great, but Burnett has been a surprising clubhouse guy. I love the shaving cream pies he's given everyone. I also think having Melky and Cano on the same bench brings a sense of spirit to the team as a whole. Those guys are best friends and are constantly heckling each other (in a good way). They help keep people loose. Even A-Rod seems like he's gelling with his teammates. For the first time in years, the Yankees look like they have "chemistry."Hard to believe the Yankees are tied for 1st with the start they had. I think they can take the AL East.
seriously Price, Kershaw, Scherzer have all had problem pitching alot of inningsUmm hes still young. This is his first full season starting in the majors. Have some patience.Joba is such an infuriating pitcher. He maintains a good ERA, can throw for strikes, and rarely gets tagged for a loss, but he throws WAY too many pitches and his WHIP has to be astronomical. It seems like every inning has two or three guys on base.
If you watch him, he has dynamite stuff, but he struggles with control. Despite this, he rarely gives up the big inning. It's mind-boggling. And ultimately that's what I think it is for him: his control issue is a mental thing. When he absolutely needs to get an out, he does. But he loses concentration early on. Perhaps he just isn't aggressive enough until he NEEDS an out, i.e. he needs a pressure situation to focus.
Which would make him great in the bullpen.
Except he has the stamina to be a starter and the Yankees need young starting pitching.
He needs to be coached better, IMO. Or go through a full season as a starter and work out the kinks. Something.
The guy drives me up a wall. He could be a dominant starter if he could only keep focus.
Anyone else see the same thing I'm seeing? What is it with this guy?
I'm a little nervous with him right now. I'd like to see him throw more than a couple effortless innings before I'd put him in a situation that warrants scoreless pitching.The universe is back in order...The Yankees are back in first place!I expect a few less perfect outings from Rivera with his age and his velocity is down a little, but his ball was moving like a wiffle ball yesterday.Posada is such a huge force for this team with his great bat and his excellent calling of a game.Assuming Pettitte is OK and Hughes pitches decent, what are people's thoughts about Wang staying in the pen? At least until we know Bruney is OK (which is getting shaky). Most starters have at least 2 really good pitches or 3 decent pitches. Wang really has one excellent pitch and a mediocre change and a below average slider. that one pitch of his could be very effective at inducing a DP grounder and or giving us a few innings if needed. I hope Hughes can pitch well and we could leave Wang in the pen for a little while. Also, many times a sinker baller is better when he is a little tired so if we give him regular work it could be good?
 
 Girardi was quoted after the game saying Gardner missed the sign to steal.I think they blundered by not sending Gardner.
.. and I heard Gardner on the radio this morning taking blame for missing the steal sign as well as the bad play in the field... He said he cost them the game.Girardi was quoted after the game saying Gardner missed the sign to steal.I think they blundered by not sending Gardner.
I did edit that at the end of the post a few minutes after I wrote it...that is pretty poor though. I understand a steal sign is not always on the pitch, but the Yanks have to have enough sophistication to have a must steal sign on a specific pitch... and I heard Gardner on the radio this morning taking blame for missing the steal sign as well as the bad play in the field... He said he cost them the game.Girardi was quoted after the game saying Gardner missed the sign to steal.I think they blundered by not sending Gardner.
Agreed.The bases-loaded-no-out situation where A-Rod, Posada, and Cano stranded all the runners just blew chunks, though.Sick leather by Tex just now. Damn he's good.that play by Joba was insane

Posada is a guess hitter so he doesn't always swing at the first pitch. If you watch him, he has a plan when he gets to the plate, sometimes he looks bad when he guesses wrongIs Posada aware that he is not REQUIRED to swing at the first pitch every at bat?####.... he is a frustrating guy to watch sometimes.
Yesterday was a good example of what he can do. He threw 4 pitches and they were all effective. His curve was better than his slider yesterday. The emotion he brings out if the bullpen is not felt as much as a starter and I think he feeds off of that, but the guy seems to be a horse. I am confident he will be an ace from an ERA standpoint and if he can pump more strikes and extend the innings, that will be great. He will understand the strikeouts don't mean much unless the situation dictates...outs are what matters. BTW, I think the Cervelli tries to strike out the batters too much rather than making them hit "your" pitches.Umm hes still young. This is his first full season starting in the majors. Have some patience.Joba is such an infuriating pitcher. He maintains a good ERA, can throw for strikes, and rarely gets tagged for a loss, but he throws WAY too many pitches and his WHIP has to be astronomical. It seems like every inning has two or three guys on base.
If you watch him, he has dynamite stuff, but he struggles with control. Despite this, he rarely gives up the big inning. It's mind-boggling. And ultimately that's what I think it is for him: his control issue is a mental thing. When he absolutely needs to get an out, he does. But he loses concentration early on. Perhaps he just isn't aggressive enough until he NEEDS an out, i.e. he needs a pressure situation to focus.
Which would make him great in the bullpen.
Except he has the stamina to be a starter and the Yankees need young starting pitching.
He needs to be coached better, IMO. Or go through a full season as a starter and work out the kinks. Something.
The guy drives me up a wall. He could be a dominant starter if he could only keep focus.
Anyone else see the same thing I'm seeing? What is it with this guy?
LMFAO at these two posts.What on earth makes you think this team can make the playoffs?You boys enjoying Big Tex? Don't worry, he will start hitting when it no longer matters.He had a .467 BA and OPS over 1 for the Angels last year in the postseason. Did that not matter?
You should. The writing is on the wall, and you simply choose to ignore it.Much like most of the decisions they make that you support. Like not bringing in Santana because you didn't want to give up Kennedy.What on earth makes you think this team can make the playoffs?:( He had a .467 BA and OPS over 1 for the Angels last year in the postseason. Did that not matter?You boys enjoying Big Tex? Don't worry, he will start hitting when it no longer matters.Im a Yankee fan and Im not gonna give up in May

 This team has one hole right now and thats the awful bullpen. But if the starters keep pitching the way they have been then that weakness wont be as pronounced. Their defense has been a pleasant surprise (I realize errors dont tell the whole story). Its amazing how good Tex is. Hes just as good as Mattingly who was like a SS playing 1B. 18 games in a row without an error (I cant believe thats the record) is pretty cool. And Jeter has been pretty good this year. Just from observation he appears a bit more spry out there. Still below average for a SS but better than he has been the last few years IMO. And Cano isnt making the dumb mistakes in the field anymore.
  This team has one hole right now and thats the awful bullpen. But if the starters keep pitching the way they have been then that weakness wont be as pronounced. Their defense has been a pleasant surprise (I realize errors dont tell the whole story). Its amazing how good Tex is. Hes just as good as Mattingly who was like a SS playing 1B. 18 games in a row without an error (I cant believe thats the record) is pretty cool. And Jeter has been pretty good this year. Just from observation he appears a bit more spry out there. Still below average for a SS but better than he has been the last few years IMO. And Cano isnt making the dumb mistakes in the field anymore.Umm hes thrown out 33% of runners which is well above league average.flysack said:I think I could steal 2nd on Posada. Great hitter. Calls a great game for his pitchers. But gawd is he awful at throwing people out.
Yea, he's awesome. Did you that great throw he made into center field for the first team error in 18 games?Umm hes thrown out 33% of runners which is well above league average.flysack said:I think I could steal 2nd on Posada. Great hitter. Calls a great game for his pitchers. But gawd is he awful at throwing people out.

Big Tex with the big potty mouth tonight.
Don't worry, he will start hitting when it no longer matters.
Yeah that was a horrible throw. I was just pointing out that statistically he is not as bad as you think he is. That being said Im not a big Posada supporter behind the plate.Yea, he's awesome. Did you that great throw he made into center field for the first team error in 18 games?Umm hes thrown out 33% of runners which is well above league average.flysack said:I think I could steal 2nd on Posada. Great hitter. Calls a great game for his pitchers. But gawd is he awful at throwing people out.
I came out and gave him props for turning it around right now. I rode this Teixeria roller coaster for many years. Enjoy the up turn right now. Remember it when he goes into a 3-50 slump come July. He does it every year. How he responds to the media pressure in New York during that time will be very telling.BTW, nice job responding to my quote with my own quote, neither have anything to do with the other.Big Tex with the big potty mouth tonight.Don't worry, he will start hitting when it no longer matters.
Good another post for me to bump in the future.***NEWSFLASH****- Guys go thru extended slumps all the time. Its the nature of baseballI came out and gave him props for turning it around right now. I rode this Teixeria roller coaster for many years. Enjoy the up turn right now. Remember it when he goes into a 3-50 slump come July. He does it every year. How he responds to the media pressure in New York during that time will be very telling.BTW, nice job responding to my quote with my own quote, neither have anything to do with the other.Big Tex with the big potty mouth tonight.Don't worry, he will start hitting when it no longer matters.
Posada has actually been solid at throwing guys out in his career. he threw poorly yesterday as he had bad transfers, but looking at just yesterday (or any one day) is not a fair way to judge someone.Interestingly, Posada made some bad pitch selection calls yesterday. The double on the high pitch hit Posada's glove and the 3 run homer would have hit the glove as well. Going down and in on that batter was simply a bad decision.Good offensive and bad defensive game for Posada. He did call a good game outside of those and a few others although I have to admit the high fastball seemed like a good pitch to me as well. As an ex catcher I call almost every pitch and some of the time it was hard to know who called what as early on Posada and Burnett were not on the same page.Yea, he's awesome. Did you that great throw he made into center field for the first team error in 18 games?Umm hes thrown out 33% of runners which is well above league average.flysack said:I think I could steal 2nd on Posada. Great hitter. Calls a great game for his pitchers. But gawd is he awful at throwing people out.
I don't agree with this and I thought I just read they were not going to move Wang? Oh well.Wang to the rotation, Hughes to the pen. Not sure I agree with this. id send Hughes back to AAA.
cashman said they will keep hughes in the pen until they are sure wang is good to go (about 2 weeks) and then send hughes to aaa so im ok with that plan.I don't agree with this and I thought I just read they were not going to move Wang? Oh well.Wang to the rotation, Hughes to the pen. Not sure I agree with this. id send Hughes back to AAA.
I still am not, Wang should be in the bullpen helping us there until someone in the rotation falters. I said this at the beginning of the year and I still believe it; Pettitte is our weakest pitcher in the rotation (which is pretty good). He has outperformed my expectations as I was expecting an ERA in the 4.6 area from Pettitte. So far ERA wise Burnett has been the worst with an ERA of 4.69.Switching gears:Wednesday night I was a little embarrassed to be a Yankee fan. ARod scorched a line drive 2 out single in the first inning to score 1 of our 2 runs, but then his next time up he fails to come through in the clutch and the fans boo him. Later in the game, in another clutch spot, he failed to get the job done and the fans boo him real loudly, like you would boo Curt Schilling or someone like that. C’mon NY fans, I don’t get it? He is and will be a huge part of our team; let’s support this guy! I don’t understand the mentality to boo Yankees, unless they didn’t hustle or something in line with that. Don’t you want him to do well? What benefit is derived from boo’ing him? I was embarrassed and it ticks me off. The DP on a 3-1 pitch with the bases juiced was a huge play in the game, but he is not 100% and still is not driving that ball to right field. In this case, he tried to pull an outside pitch and unfortunately it went right to 3rd base. I was not happy with ARod on that pitch, but what is the point of boo’ing him?cashman said they will keep hughes in the pen until they are sure wang is good to go (about 2 weeks) and then send hughes to aaa so im ok with that plan.I don't agree with this and I thought I just read they were not going to move Wang? Oh well.Wang to the rotation, Hughes to the pen. Not sure I agree with this. id send Hughes back to AAA.
Liquid Tension said:I still am not, Wang should be in the bullpen helping us there until someone in the rotation falters. I said this at the beginning of the year and I still believe it; Pettitte is our weakest pitcher in the rotation (which is pretty good). He has outperformed my expectations as I was expecting an ERA in the 4.6 area from Pettitte. So far ERA wise Burnett has been the worst with an ERA of 4.69.Switching gears:cashman said they will keep hughes in the pen until they are sure wang is good to go (about 2 weeks) and then send hughes to aaa so im ok with that plan.I don't agree with this and I thought I just read they were not going to move Wang? Oh well.Wang to the rotation, Hughes to the pen. Not sure I agree with this. id send Hughes back to AAA.
Wednesday night I was a little embarrassed to be a Yankee fan. ARod scorched a line drive 2 out single in the first inning to score 1 of our 2 runs, but then his next time up he fails to come through in the clutch and the fans boo him. Later in the game, in another clutch spot, he failed to get the job done and the fans boo him real loudly, like you would boo Curt Schilling or someone like that. C’mon NY fans, I don’t get it? He is and will be a huge part of our team; let’s support this guy! I don’t understand the mentality to boo Yankees, unless they didn’t hustle or something in line with that. Don’t you want him to do well? What benefit is derived from boo’ing him? I was embarrassed and it ticks me off. The DP on a 3-1 pitch with the bases juiced was a huge play in the game, but he is not 100% and still is not driving that ball to right field. In this case, he tried to pull an outside pitch and unfortunately it went right to 3rd base. I was not happy with ARod on that pitch, but what is the point of boo’ing him?
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  disgracefulNice comeback today, but people around me know that I am not happy the Yankees chose to put Wang in the rotation and take Hughes out. That being said, Wang threw the ball well; 93 with excellent sink. He also is a good starter, but I would keep him in the pen based on what I said before and he can fill in if someone gets hurt, pitches real poorly or gets suspended. Taking Hughes out is kind of messing around with him as Hughes already has had trouble getting into any rhythm. I like Wang, but I think this was a bad decision. Back to the suspension to Burnett; I think that is a bit absurd. We get hit twice, at least one being intentional and Burnett fly’s one over the head of a batter and he gets 6 games? Absurd!Why was Swisher pinch run for with Gardner in the 7th inning? I like that Girardi will take any advantage he can, but that was an odd spot and an odd person to do that with considering if the game were tied, Gardner would have been up instead of Swisher in the 9th inning.I still am not, Wang should be in the bullpen helping us there until someone in the rotation falters. I said this at the beginning of the year and I still believe it; Pettitte is our weakest pitcher in the rotation (which is pretty good). He has outperformed my expectations as I was expecting an ERA in the 4.6 area from Pettitte. So far ERA wise Burnett has been the worst with an ERA of 4.69.Switching gears:cashman said they will keep hughes in the pen until they are sure wang is good to go (about 2 weeks) and then send hughes to aaa so im ok with that plan.I don't agree with this and I thought I just read they were not going to move Wang? Oh well.Wang to the rotation, Hughes to the pen. Not sure I agree with this. id send Hughes back to AAA.
Wednesday night I was a little embarrassed to be a Yankee fan. ARod scorched a line drive 2 out single in the first inning to score 1 of our 2 runs, but then his next time up he fails to come through in the clutch and the fans boo him. Later in the game, in another clutch spot, he failed to get the job done and the fans boo him real loudly, like you would boo Curt Schilling or someone like that. C’mon NY fans, I don’t get it? He is and will be a huge part of our team; let’s support this guy! I don’t understand the mentality to boo Yankees, unless they didn’t hustle or something in line with that. Don’t you want him to do well? What benefit is derived from boo’ing him? I was embarrassed and it ticks me off. The DP on a 3-1 pitch with the bases juiced was a huge play in the game, but he is not 100% and still is not driving that ball to right field. In this case, he tried to pull an outside pitch and unfortunately it went right to 3rd base. I was not happy with ARod on that pitch, but what is the point of boo’ing him?disgraceful
