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**Official YANKEES 2009 Thread** (4 Viewers)

andy petite came into the restaurant tonight. he is ####### HUGE. i mean enormous! has he always had that neanderthal shaped head? or is it a steroid result?

he was nice enough, but i was disappointed that he only left the server a 17% tip. $37 on $222. & spare me your tipping/not tipping opinions. if i had the opportunity to be uber generous i would be.

 
andy petite came into the restaurant tonight. he is ####### HUGE. i mean enormous! has he always had that neanderthal shaped head? or is it a steroid result?he was nice enough, but i was disappointed that he only left the server a 17% tip. $37 on $222. & spare me your tipping/not tipping opinions. if i had the opportunity to be uber generous i would be.
Maybe your service sucked. :shrug:
 
I don't know if it was Carton and Boomer playing around, or if there are rumblings out there somewhere or what, but did they seriously just discuss the possibility of the Yankees trading to get Halladay and Vernon Wells?

 
Giantseasonticketholder said:
DA RAIDERS said:
andy petite came into the restaurant tonight. he is ####### HUGE. i mean enormous! has he always had that neanderthal shaped head? or is it a steroid result?he was nice enough, but i was disappointed that he only left the server a 17% tip. $37 on $222. & spare me your tipping/not tipping opinions. if i had the opportunity to be uber generous i would be.
Maybe your service sucked. :shrug:
you didn't do to well in the reading comprehension portion of the SAT did you?
 
I don't know if it was Carton and Boomer playing around, or if there are rumblings out there somewhere or what, but did they seriously just discuss the possibility of the Yankees trading to get Halladay and Vernon Wells?
Vernon Wells at 20M may be the worst contract in baseball history. I can't even imagine the Yankees taking that one on.
 
I actually love that move of bringing Mo in in the 8th with 2 out. :shrug: Its only one extra out. I still trust Mo more than Hughes in that spot.
The difference of warming up and getting out of an inning and then sitting down for a rest is a lot more than people think. It is far more taxing on a closer than throwing a lot of pitches for inning.I don't even understand how you could love it when Hughes is throwing as well as he is; I don't see the logic in any way. It was a panic move form a coach is who is nervous and not confident...VERY weak.
 
Two terrible pitching performances by the Yanks cost us 2 games in the standings. 4 run leads should not be blown more than a couple times a year, but that is what has happened.

Question – who is the worst pitcher on the Yanks? I believe if I took a poll most answers would be that Brett Tomko is the lowest man on the totem pole? Agreed?

So, please take a look at these stats and guess the pitchers – (hint one of them is Brett Tomko and his 5+ ERA)

Batters are hitting against these two pitchers:

Pitcher A) .786 OPS – Compiled with a.247 BA, a .306 OBP and a .481 Slug

Pitcher B) .794 OPS – Compiled with a .283 BA a .351 OBP and a .443 Slug

These are pretty good from a hitter’s standpoint and for perspective if you took the average OPS for all players it is .748. Another way to look at this is if your team averaged an OPS of .786 (the “better” pitcher from above) your team would be in the top 5 in baseball.

So who is pitcher A? Brett Tomko. Pretty weak pitcher. He is our true mop up guy.

So who is pitcher B? It is the same guy who I declared is the worst starter on the Yanks…and I took a lot of heat from you folks for it. He was also a guy I was not a fan of wanting to sign. He is also a guy who out of the 63 pitchers in baseball who have thrown 100 innings or more has the 57th worst OPS against. This guy has an ERA of 4.85 and his name is Andy Pettitte. Tomko was a starter, perhaps we want to throw him into the rotation? Carl Pavano has an OPS against of .781 and I don’t see many of us begging for him to stay in the rotation? Andy gets a pass and he shouldn’t, he simply isn’t fooling many people.

While on pitching, we have some serious issues with Joba. If I am going to take credit for telling everyone we didn’t need Pettitte in the rotation, I need to come clean and say that I was OK with Joba going into the rotation. I am a believer that throwing appx. 180 innings as a starter is worth more than throwing appx 70 innings as a reliever. With Joba, there are some extenuating circumstances though. One important factor people are overlooking is that if Joba were in the pen, he would not be doing well. His stuff now consists of excellent breaking stuff, average fastball and bad command/control. That is a mediocre at best package.

So what is wrong with Joba? It is not because he is a starter. In 2007 and to start the season in 2008, he was throwing 97 out of the bullpen. As a starter in 08, he was sitting at 97 and hitting 99 when he needed to (in that Boston start where he went 7 IP and gave up 3 hits, he hit 99mph on his 99th pitch of the night). Then he hurt his shoulder, and he came back throwing 94 out of the bullpen. And everyone let it go as him building up arm strength from his injury, but he never got his velocity back. He’s sitting 92 now with an occasional burst to 94 -95 but also sometimes at 90. The key is that he was consistent at 97 and now he is consistent at 92; that is an enormous drop off. I could see 2 MPH from a starter to a reliever that is going all out, but 5 is enormous. The lack of fastball is causing his breaking stuff to be less effective and the lack of confidence in his fastball is causing him to nibble far too much, throw way too many pitches and not be able to get deep in games. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Joba Chamberlain’s 10 decisions (7-3) through his first 29 career starts are the fewest in Major League history. Hard to say what it means, but clearly he is taxing the bullpen.

The most disappointing part to me is that he was a guy I was excited to see take the mound; now it is painful to watch him pitch. I saw and still see a guy who has good endurance, he does not throw slower as the game goes on, in fact, he sometimes has increased velocity after 70 pitches. Hitting 99 on his 99th pitch against Boston last year shows this. However, hitting 93 on his 99th pitch, in the 5th inning is not nearly as meaningful.

Something happened to Joba’s shoulder, but nobody is saying anything. I am not sure what the answer is, but for the same reason why Joba should have started, I think Hughes should start. I know we don’t have a bridge with Bruney struggling, but Hughes would be more valuable in the rotation and this is why I didn’t want them to take him out for Wang. I would have left Wang in the pen doing well and working on his stuff until we had an injury. In games like Friday and Saturday, Hughes and Mariano can’t help because the starters stunk and they never get into the game. Starters are always more important than setup guys.

For now, I would give Joba another shot after the All Star break, but I would also send him for an MRI and think about sending him down to the minors to get himself straightened out. As poorly as Aceves did in his start, I have confidence he can be more effective than Pettitte and Joba have been thus far. One last point, If Joba got his control better, his stuff is still good enough to be a good starter (even at 92), but without it, he is AJ Burnett throwing 92.

 
I don't know if it was Carton and Boomer playing around, or if there are rumblings out there somewhere or what, but did they seriously just discuss the possibility of the Yankees trading to get Halladay and Vernon Wells?
Vernon Wells at 20M may be the worst contract in baseball history. I can't even imagine the Yankees taking that one on.
ESPN has his salary at $4.7 MM? I don't know the truth but I didn't know he was making $20 mil a year?With the Yanks offense, I would consider Halladay and perhaps even trade Joba if they could get the value like he was? If Wells was making a ton of money I could see Toronto getting melky back to save a lot of money and get better production (at least this year). I said the same thing when Santana was out there, when you can get one of the to players at a position, you go get them if you are the Yanks; you can afford it. Santana is throwing 3 MPH less than he used to, but he is still excellent. Not sure what they want, but Halladay would be worth giviing up talent for. Is Halladay a free agent next year or after 2010?
 
Halladay is a UFA after '10.

I think Wells' contract goes up into orbit in 2011. Through 2013, IIRC. Complete f'n disaster for Toronto.

 
The Ghost of Common said:
aaaand once again A-Roid can't get a big hit in a big spot.Mr. May continues his legacy.
BTW I know you were kind of just kidding (I think) but ARod had some pretty big hits yesterday. Were those not big spots? Also, I dont get how calling him Mr May is much different then him hitting in July.
 
BTW its time to put Hughes back in the rotation. Yanks are being stupid at this point. Aceves back to the pen.
Agreed - I seriously do not understand this management team right now. Now I'm hearing that Mirte will be called up to be the 5th starter. Now, not to go back in time because, well, 20/20 and all that, but Hughes was so damn important and untouchable as a starter that they didn't trade him to get Johan Santana. But now, they can call someone else up to be a 5th starter and keep Hughes in the bullpen? WTF?At the midway point I guess as a Yankee fan, overall, I should be happy. With Tex's usual slow start, no Arod for over a month, Posada getting hurt, Matsui barely able to walk, Wang out and hurt and bad and even CC not being the absolute dominent force he was last year, 3 games out isn't that bad. They are killing the teams they should kill, but now they need to beat the teams that are just as good, if not better then them. Yes, Boston and Los Angeles of Anaheim from Lower Compton on this Side of Sacremento, or whatever they call themelves these days. Add the Rays there as well.I still do not agree, at all, with Joba in the rotation. I don't think I ever will. Hughes still in the bullpen is just as confusing at this point. As for the Halladay rumors, I really really don't want Vernon Wells. The Yankees should hope that the Doc gets traded to the Phillies and gets taken out of the division once and for all. Or at least until he is a free agent at which point the Yankees will give a 34 year old pitcher a 7 year deal ..........Hey, maybe, if nothing else, all this Halladay talk will finally get people discussing a meaningful salary cap and floor.Nah. Never happen.
 
BTW its time to put Hughes back in the rotation. Yanks are being stupid at this point. Aceves back to the pen.
Agreed - I seriously do not understand this management team right now. Now I'm hearing that Mirte will be called up to be the 5th starter. Now, not to go back in time because, well, 20/20 and all that, but Hughes was so damn important and untouchable as a starter that they didn't trade him to get Johan Santana. But now, they can call someone else up to be a 5th starter and keep Hughes in the bullpen? WTF?At the midway point I guess as a Yankee fan, overall, I should be happy. With Tex's usual slow start, no Arod for over a month, Posada getting hurt, Matsui barely able to walk, Wang out and hurt and bad and even CC not being the absolute dominent force he was last year, 3 games out isn't that bad. They are killing the teams they should kill, but now they need to beat the teams that are just as good, if not better then them. Yes, Boston and Los Angeles of Anaheim from Lower Compton on this Side of Sacremento, or whatever they call themelves these days. Add the Rays there as well.I still do not agree, at all, with Joba in the rotation. I don't think I ever will. Hughes still in the bullpen is just as confusing at this point. As for the Halladay rumors, I really really don't want Vernon Wells. The Yankees should hope that the Doc gets traded to the Phillies and gets taken out of the division once and for all. Or at least until he is a free agent at which point the Yankees will give a 34 year old pitcher a 7 year deal ..........Hey, maybe, if nothing else, all this Halladay talk will finally get people discussing a meaningful salary cap and floor.Nah. Never happen.
You see I dont understand your rationale at all here. Hughes has been horrible in the rotation in the past. Meanwhile Joba is currently pitching bad in the rotation. Both Hughes and Joba have been dominant out of the pen. So why do you contend Hughes should be in the rotation and Joba in the pen? Makes no sense to me. IMO both should be in the rotation and thats that.
 
While on pitching, we have some serious issues with Joba. If I am going to take credit for telling everyone we didn’t need Pettitte in the rotation, I need to come clean and say that I was OK with Joba going into the rotation. I am a believer that throwing appx. 180 innings as a starter is worth more than throwing appx 70 innings as a reliever. With Joba, there are some extenuating circumstances though. One important factor people are overlooking is that if Joba were in the pen, he would not be doing well. His stuff now consists of excellent breaking stuff, average fastball and bad command/control. That is a mediocre at best package. So what is wrong with Joba? It is not because he is a starter. In 2007 and to start the season in 2008, he was throwing 97 out of the bullpen. As a starter in 08, he was sitting at 97 and hitting 99 when he needed to (in that Boston start where he went 7 IP and gave up 3 hits, he hit 99mph on his 99th pitch of the night). Then he hurt his shoulder, and he came back throwing 94 out of the bullpen. And everyone let it go as him building up arm strength from his injury, but he never got his velocity back. He’s sitting 92 now with an occasional burst to 94 -95 but also sometimes at 90. The key is that he was consistent at 97 and now he is consistent at 92; that is an enormous drop off. I could see 2 MPH from a starter to a reliever that is going all out, but 5 is enormous. The lack of fastball is causing his breaking stuff to be less effective and the lack of confidence in his fastball is causing him to nibble far too much, throw way too many pitches and not be able to get deep in games. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Joba Chamberlain’s 10 decisions (7-3) through his first 29 career starts are the fewest in Major League history. Hard to say what it means, but clearly he is taxing the bullpen.The most disappointing part to me is that he was a guy I was excited to see take the mound; now it is painful to watch him pitch. I saw and still see a guy who has good endurance, he does not throw slower as the game goes on, in fact, he sometimes has increased velocity after 70 pitches. Hitting 99 on his 99th pitch against Boston last year shows this. However, hitting 93 on his 99th pitch, in the 5th inning is not nearly as meaningful.Something happened to Joba’s shoulder, but nobody is saying anything. I am not sure what the answer is, but for the same reason why Joba should have started, I think Hughes should start. I know we don’t have a bridge with Bruney struggling, but Hughes would be more valuable in the rotation and this is why I didn’t want them to take him out for Wang. I would have left Wang in the pen doing well and working on his stuff until we had an injury. In games like Friday and Saturday, Hughes and Mariano can’t help because the starters stunk and they never get into the game. Starters are always more important than setup guys.For now, I would give Joba another shot after the All Star break, but I would also send him for an MRI and think about sending him down to the minors to get himself straightened out. As poorly as Aceves did in his start, I have confidence he can be more effective than Pettitte and Joba have been thus far. One last point, If Joba got his control better, his stuff is still good enough to be a good starter (even at 92), but without it, he is AJ Burnett throwing 92.
:goodposting:
 
I don't know if it was Carton and Boomer playing around, or if there are rumblings out there somewhere or what, but did they seriously just discuss the possibility of the Yankees trading to get Halladay and Vernon Wells?
Why, did someone find out they were both on roids?Absolutely pathetic Yankee fans could never comprehend a level playing field.
 
I don't know if it was Carton and Boomer playing around, or if there are rumblings out there somewhere or what, but did they seriously just discuss the possibility of the Yankees trading to get Halladay and Vernon Wells?
Why, did someone find out they were both on roids?Absolutely pathetic Yankee fans could never comprehend a level playing field.
Cartin and Boomer are Mets fans :shrug:They bring up issues like this to excite fans like yourself. Kudos to them.Personally, I'm 100% for caps in all sports and I never thought Halliday was in play for NY short of giving up half the team.
 
While on pitching, we have some serious issues with Joba. If I am going to take credit for telling everyone we didn’t need Pettitte in the rotation, I need to come clean and say that I was OK with Joba going into the rotation. I am a believer that throwing appx. 180 innings as a starter is worth more than throwing appx 70 innings as a reliever. With Joba, there are some extenuating circumstances though. One important factor people are overlooking is that if Joba were in the pen, he would not be doing well. His stuff now consists of excellent breaking stuff, average fastball and bad command/control. That is a mediocre at best package. So what is wrong with Joba? It is not because he is a starter. In 2007 and to start the season in 2008, he was throwing 97 out of the bullpen. As a starter in 08, he was sitting at 97 and hitting 99 when he needed to (in that Boston start where he went 7 IP and gave up 3 hits, he hit 99mph on his 99th pitch of the night). Then he hurt his shoulder, and he came back throwing 94 out of the bullpen. And everyone let it go as him building up arm strength from his injury, but he never got his velocity back. He’s sitting 92 now with an occasional burst to 94 -95 but also sometimes at 90. The key is that he was consistent at 97 and now he is consistent at 92; that is an enormous drop off. I could see 2 MPH from a starter to a reliever that is going all out, but 5 is enormous. The lack of fastball is causing his breaking stuff to be less effective and the lack of confidence in his fastball is causing him to nibble far too much, throw way too many pitches and not be able to get deep in games. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Joba Chamberlain’s 10 decisions (7-3) through his first 29 career starts are the fewest in Major League history. Hard to say what it means, but clearly he is taxing the bullpen.The most disappointing part to me is that he was a guy I was excited to see take the mound; now it is painful to watch him pitch. I saw and still see a guy who has good endurance, he does not throw slower as the game goes on, in fact, he sometimes has increased velocity after 70 pitches. Hitting 99 on his 99th pitch against Boston last year shows this. However, hitting 93 on his 99th pitch, in the 5th inning is not nearly as meaningful.Something happened to Joba’s shoulder, but nobody is saying anything. I am not sure what the answer is, but for the same reason why Joba should have started, I think Hughes should start. I know we don’t have a bridge with Bruney struggling, but Hughes would be more valuable in the rotation and this is why I didn’t want them to take him out for Wang. I would have left Wang in the pen doing well and working on his stuff until we had an injury. In games like Friday and Saturday, Hughes and Mariano can’t help because the starters stunk and they never get into the game. Starters are always more important than setup guys.For now, I would give Joba another shot after the All Star break, but I would also send him for an MRI and think about sending him down to the minors to get himself straightened out. As poorly as Aceves did in his start, I have confidence he can be more effective than Pettitte and Joba have been thus far. One last point, If Joba got his control better, his stuff is still good enough to be a good starter (even at 92), but without it, he is AJ Burnett throwing 92.
:goodposting:
Thanks Flysack...this also bring us around the some of the other posts about Hughes in the rotation...Hughes looked good in his last few starts and I was opposed to moving him to the pen for the same reasons I state above...More than twice as many innings pitched as a starter is worth more than less than half as many in the pen. Also, does anyone think that Joba would be throwing 97 again if he were in the pen? How?So where does this leave us?There are 2 issues, the regular season and the postseason. As we are presently constructed, Hughes should be in the rotation because there is more value as a starter. For the postseason, it is an interesting question. With all the days off CC could pitch twice in a 5 game series and 3 times in a 7 game series leaving onlt 2 other starters needed. This is not the best scenario but it may be a needed one. Hughes is our best 3rd starter right now and he is also our best setup man. So which has more value? I think Hughes should be in the rotation and we figure out the pen as it moves along. Bruney gets sharp again and Joba could move to the pen for the postseason? Last point on Hughes...This time in the pen is exactly what was needed to keep his pitch total (innings) down for the year. Put him in the rotation and let him build and get ready for next year as well...right on plan.We should not forget about Wang, a 93 MPH sinker is something of great value. While it appears to me (and I have not looked at stats to back me up) that Wang has struggled from the stretch, I think a 93 MPH sinker would have very good value coming out of the pen. I think another key factor is if Marte can come back and aid us against lefties. He is a good pitcher against lefties if healthy.Finally, I think Aceves is a solid pitcher as well. He has the variety of stuff to be in the rotation and just because he had one bad outing I would not be sending him back to the pen so quickly.
 
BTW I also wanted to mention that I believe we are witnessing the evolution of Phil Hughes right before our eyes. I just wish he was available last night to pitch the eighth. Id give Wang another shot (believe it or not I like the fact that the Yanks are being very patient here) but if he continues to falter I think Hughes could be dominant down the stretch in the rotation.
I have nothhing against Hughes and think he may evolve into a decent pitcher. That being said . . . DOMINANT? This year?He's had a 6.21 ERA and 1.56 WHIP since May 4th.
okay. What gives you the impression he "could be dominant down the stretch in the rotation"?
As already asked, what do you see that leades you to conclude that he could be dominant? Sure, he's had a couple of outings with some strikeouts, but he's allowing too many hits, walks, and runs at the moment. I suppose if he stops allowing so many base runners he'd be ok, but couldn't you argue that about any pitcher in the league?
He is saving the dominance up for later...
How about now?
 
JobaRules...good quote string...You can lead a horse to water...

So, we could go back and get ARod quotes about being unclutch too. Yet somehow this unclutch guy has hit 14 of his 18 homers when the game was within 2 runs (not sure what the average is)...but he has hit some big ones.

The Genius Maker does it again! Whenever Rivera retires we will probably hate our closer whether he is good or not

2 out, but the Rays keep winning too.

 
JobaRules...good quote string...You can lead a horse to water...So, we could go back and get ARod quotes about being unclutch too. Yet somehow this unclutch guy has hit 14 of his 18 homers when the game was within 2 runs (not sure what the average is)...but he has hit some big ones.The Genius Maker does it again! Whenever Rivera retires we will probably hate our closer whether he is good or not2 out, but the Rays keep winning too.
A lot of talk about the cheap homers by ARod and Alex, but Arod hit a solid ball the other way that was aided by a great fastball and a short porch. Thames homer off Aceves was even shorter as it looked like Damon might have been able to get there with a better times jump (ARods was far enough that a jump wasn’t even given).But, the real difference in the game was an infield hit by Melky that was helped by a subtle but excellent base running play by Swisher and a very close that went our way (In looking at the replay I thought he was out). Swisher was on 2nd and when the ball was hit not too hard in the hole between SS and 3rd base. Swisher made sure that he straddled the ball in order to try and distract the SS a little. I am not sure if he was distracted or not, but it was such a close play the any hesitation at all could have made the difference. For a crazy guy (who has made some base running plays getting thrown out) he is actually a fundamentally sound player. CC struggled but pulled a Houdini. I am not sure what the deal is, but the Yankee pitchers just don’t throw enough strikes. Good job to battle though. I thought the ump behind home plate was in our favor by a little bit.
 
JobaRules...good quote string...You can lead a horse to water...So, we could go back and get ARod quotes about being unclutch too. Yet somehow this unclutch guy has hit 14 of his 18 homers when the game was within 2 runs (not sure what the average is)...but he has hit some big ones.The Genius Maker does it again! Whenever Rivera retires we will probably hate our closer whether he is good or not2 out, but the Rays keep winning too.
A lot of talk about the cheap homers by ARod and Alex, but Arod hit a solid ball the other way that was aided by a great fastball and a short porch. Thames homer off Aceves was even shorter as it looked like Damon might have been able to get there with a better times jump (ARods was far enough that a jump wasn’t even given).But, the real difference in the game was an infield hit by Melky that was helped by a subtle but excellent base running play by Swisher and a very close that went our way (In looking at the replay I thought he was out). Swisher was on 2nd and when the ball was hit not too hard in the hole between SS and 3rd base. Swisher made sure that he straddled the ball in order to try and distract the SS a little. I am not sure if he was distracted or not, but it was such a close play the any hesitation at all could have made the difference. For a crazy guy (who has made some base running plays getting thrown out) he is actually a fundamentally sound player. CC struggled but pulled a Houdini. I am not sure what the deal is, but the Yankee pitchers just don’t throw enough strikes. Good job to battle though. I thought the ump behind home plate was in our favor by a little bit.
Let's get the negatives out of the way...The darn KC bullpen blew another lead to the Rays! OK...on to the good stuffONE game out!The Genius Maker saves another one run game! He did without the benefit of a single close pitch too.ARod another big hit...Texiera too.Joba showed why it makes sense to have him start in that he has very good endurance and was throwing better in the 5-7th innings as he did early in the game (where he was painful again). The key was the velocity on his fastball which made his breaking stuff look better. I would like to see a few more curves and changes, but consistently throwing 95 was VERY encouraging (even if the YES radar gun is way off base on off speed stuff). Perhaps he is the type of guy who needs an extra day off? Forget the similar lack of control early, the velocity on his fastball was the best it has been since his injury. The only reason I can think of is the extra rest unless they worked on a slightly different arm slot in the time off...I did not notice anything different, but sometime it is a subtle difference that one wouldn't notice without watching the old and new side by side. I think it was the rest.Nice start of the 2nd half.
 
Some interesting #s

Chamberlain (starter): 30 starts, 8-3, 3.52 ERA, 8.9 K/9 IP, 5.40 IP per start.Hughes (starter): 28 starts, 8-9, 5.22 ERA, 7.9 K/9 IP, 5.04 IP per startChamberlain (reliever): 49 appearances, 3-2, 1.53 ERA, 11.9 K/9 IPHughes (reliever): 15 appearance, 1-0, 0.84 ERA, 11.4 K/ 9 IP
Id really like to hear how someone can justify putting Hughes back in the rotation and Joba back to the bullpen?
 
The Ghost of Common said:
The Ghost of Common said:
aaaand once again A-Roid can't get a big hit in a big spot.Mr. May continues his legacy.
:thumbdown:
LOL at the absurdity
Take off your :homer: glasses for a second here and work with me big guy.The major knock on Arod despite his impressive numbers is pretty much is inability to get hits in BIG spots, no? Maybe I read different newspapers than you. Not sure.
Today's paper say's.... "of Arod's 19 home runs this year 11 have been go ahead or tying runs"Then of course you have everyone pointing to how much better Tex is with Arod in the lineup....I'll take Arod.
 
The Ghost of Common said:
The Ghost of Common said:
aaaand once again A-Roid can't get a big hit in a big spot.Mr. May continues his legacy.
:thumbdown:
LOL at the absurdity
Take off your :homer: glasses for a second here and work with me big guy.The major knock on Arod despite his impressive numbers is pretty much is inability to get hits in BIG spots, no? Maybe I read different newspapers than you. Not sure.
Hes had quite a few big hits this year :homer: But I guess that will be forgotten next time he strikes out with the bases loaded.
 
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Some interesting #s

Chamberlain (starter): 30 starts, 8-3, 3.52 ERA, 8.9 K/9 IP, 5.40 IP per start.Hughes (starter): 28 starts, 8-9, 5.22 ERA, 7.9 K/9 IP, 5.04 IP per startChamberlain (reliever): 49 appearances, 3-2, 1.53 ERA, 11.9 K/9 IPHughes (reliever): 15 appearance, 1-0, 0.84 ERA, 11.4 K/ 9 IP
Id really like to hear how someone can justify putting Hughes back in the rotation and Joba back to the bullpen?
That is interesting. I don't know if Hughes' 15 appearances are enough to measure it against Joba's 49 but the starter numbers are not what I expected.
 
The Ghost of Common said:
The Ghost of Common said:
aaaand once again A-Roid can't get a big hit in a big spot.Mr. May continues his legacy.
:thumbup:
LOL at the absurdity
Take off your :homer: glasses for a second here and work with me big guy.The major knock on Arod despite his impressive numbers is pretty much is inability to get hits in BIG spots, no? Maybe I read different newspapers than you. Not sure.
Hes had quite a few big hits this year :shrug: But I guess that will be forgotten next time he strikes out with the bases loaded.
...in the playoffs.
 
two comments about Damon

he is dreadful in the outfield, there is NO reason he should be back next year

he breaks his bat more than about any player I have ever seen..

 
two comments about Damonhe is dreadful in the outfield, there is NO reason he should be back next yearhe breaks his bat more than about any player I have ever seen..
I wouldnt mind if he came back as a DH on a one or two year deal. But he fields like a girl
 
Jeter has been very good defensively this year. Dare I say it has been his best year in the field in his career. I dont know what the stats say but from the eyeball test his range to his left has improved greatly. Im not saying hes the best defensive SS in the AL or anything cuz even when Pena is in there the difference is pretty clear. All Im saying is he has definitely improved.

 
Jeter has been much better going to his left and has made a lot more plays than he usually does.

on top of that, the addition of Texiera has really helped him also, he would have had another 4-5 errors if that butcher Giambi was playing first

 
The Yanks basically turned their biggest weakness into their biggest strength. Its basically a 6 inning game now. Mix and match Aceves & Coke in the 7th and pitch Hughes in the 8th and close it out with a dominant Rivera. All 4 of those guys have been phenomenal.

 
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Jeter has been much better going to his left and has made a lot more plays than he usually does.on top of that, the addition of Texiera has really helped him also, he would have had another 4-5 errors if that butcher Giambi was playing first
:lmao: Tex is a witch.
 
The Yanks basically turned their biggest weakness into their biggest strength. Its basically a 6 inning game now. Mix and match Aceves & Coke in the 7th and pitch Hughes in the 8th and close it out with a dominant Rivera. All 4 of those guys have been phenomenal.
agreed.
 
The Ghost of Common said:
The Ghost of Common said:
aaaand once again A-Roid can't get a big hit in a big spot.Mr. May continues his legacy.
:rolleyes:
LOL at the absurdity
Take off your :shrug: glasses for a second here and work with me big guy.The major knock on Arod despite his impressive numbers is pretty much is inability to get hits in BIG spots, no? Maybe I read different newspapers than you. Not sure.
If you have been reading...the knock is basically over less than 20 AB's in the postseaosn and the rest is BS. I also am of the belief that there is very little to a player having clutch ability because if they did or didn't it would be fairly consistent from year to year. Do you know Jeter and Arid have the same postseason OPS?This has absolutely nothing to do with being a homer
 
The Ghost of Common said:
The Ghost of Common said:
aaaand once again A-Roid can't get a big hit in a big spot.Mr. May continues his legacy.
:towelwave:
LOL at the absurdity
Take off your :homer: glasses for a second here and work with me big guy.The major knock on Arod despite his impressive numbers is pretty much is inability to get hits in BIG spots, no? Maybe I read different newspapers than you. Not sure.
If you have been reading...the knock is basically over less than 20 AB's in the postseaosn and the rest is BS. I also am of the belief that there is very little to a player having clutch ability because if they did or didn't it would be fairly consistent from year to year. Do you know Jeter and Arid have the same postseason OPS?This has absolutely nothing to do with being a homer
Do you know that Jeter has the same OPS in the post-season as he has in the regular season? Do you also know that A-Rod has a playoff OPS that's -123 points lower than his regular season OPS?To say that they are the same in the playoffs ignores this glaring discrepancy in your interpretation.
 
People will look at LaRoche and think who cares, but the guy has had an OPS of .870 against righties. Very smart pickup by the Red Sox for very little (except the money). He can platoon as needed or be a solid pinch hitter in a key spot.

I have always said that the Yankees need specialists such as LaRoche. A blazing guy off the bench or a guy who crushes lefties or righties or a left specialist. Those are the value plays for the Yanks.

As for the Hughes debate about starting, his last 4 starts added up to a 3.91 ERA striking out 23 in 23 innings with 7 walks and 20 hits. My opinion is they both should probably start. Right now I wouldn't break up a good thing, but keeping a good arm in the pen is not really a smart idea long term.

 
The Ghost of Common said:
The Ghost of Common said:
aaaand once again A-Roid can't get a big hit in a big spot.

Mr. May continues his legacy.
:towelwave:
LOL at the absurdity
Take off your :homer: glasses for a second here and work with me big guy.The major knock on Arod despite his impressive numbers is pretty much is inability to get hits in BIG spots, no? Maybe I read different newspapers than you. Not sure.
If you have been reading...the knock is basically over less than 20 AB's in the postseaosn and the rest is BS. I also am of the belief that there is very little to a player having clutch ability because if they did or didn't it would be fairly consistent from year to year. Do you know Jeter and Arid have the same postseason OPS?This has absolutely nothing to do with being a homer
:lmao: He has 94 post season ABs as a Yankee and is hitting a whopping .244 over those ABs.

20 ABs?!!?!?!?!? oool

 
[ Do you know that Jeter has the same OPS in the post-season as he has in the regular season? Do you also know that A-Rod has a playoff OPS that's -123 points lower than his regular season OPS?To say that they are the same in the playoffs ignores this glaring discrepancy in your interpretation.
OK, so you are penalizing ARod because he is so good normally? How is it possible for someone to suck in the postseason and have the same OPS as a guy you say is clutch in the postseason?You are also ignoring how this same guy who is un-clutch carried Seattle in the playoffs, us in the Minnesota series and also would have been the hero in the Boston series if Torre didn't have a brain cramp or if Rivera saved the game like he usually does. Instead ARod is the scape goat even though the entire team SUCKED? Basically the entire case against ARod being un-clutch surrounds 29 AB's where the Yankees lost the series' against LAA and Det. yes, he sucked there, but outside of that he is on his career marks in his other 120 postseason AB's batting .322 with a .946 OPS. Sure you can say "you can't throw it out", but the point is having some perspective. Did he all of a sudden become unclutch since his excellence in the postseason? and if so, how did he manage to play fairly well last year when most of the team stunk last year? Or is it possible that perhaps he wasn't swinging the bat too well for those 29 AB's just like any 29 AB stretch (or more) and that good players go through funks?And if he is unclutch how is possible he is performing so well in clutch spots this year? Oh, I see, it isn't the postseaosn...I ask you what is more logical?
 
This was written before the day game on Wednesday…

A couple of points about the last few games:

Monday – I thought both teams hit extremely poorly. Each team missed a lot of good pitches to hit and the ump had a big strike zone. This kept the scoring down. That being said, it was good to see Pettitte have a little movement on his cutter for the first time since early this year. I think he needs the cutter to have any sort of effectiveness. Regardless of the events to help him, Pettitte pitched well and while I don’t expect that to continue, it was great to see.

Just to be fair, Aceves hung a terrible pitch but got lucky as well.

The Genius Maker has been great. Nobody has talked about this, but since the beginning of the 2008 season Rivera has saved 66 games out of 68 opportunities! The guy is amazing!

Mitre pitched OK. Obviously allowing too many hits, but he has enough stuff to be productive and could pitch better than that. He has a good sinker, decent velocity an OK breaking ball and a very good changeup. He also seems like a guy who will not walk too many. He can keep pitching as far as I am concerned. I reserve the right to pull the plug after the next start though J

Some of you remember my issues with first basemen fielding throws from catchers/pitchers and not stretching toward home like they would for a throw from an infielder. One other point I want to make is that when a dropped 3rd strike or even a bunt where stretching is not an issue (you have a lot of time), the first baseman should come off the bag to give a clean target (without runner in the way) and then catch the ball and then step on the base. This may be hard to explain in this forum, but the point is to give your thrower a good view so they don’t need to change the trajectory of the ball to get around/over the runner. Those of you watching carefully may have noticed a play where Texiera fielded a grounder at 1st and then threw to Jeter to get a force out and he kind of threw softly to throw it over the runner. Different base, but same concept. I want to say this before it happens in a live game.

While we are on some fundamentals, does anyone notice that the Yankees ALWAYS slide to the back of home plate and almost always don’t go directly into home plate? They also have yet to run into a catcher. They are making the job of a catcher very easy because they take longer to touch home plate and they go wide almost every time. There are certain times a surprise slide around makes sense, but when you do it every time it is not effective at all and is actually slower to get to the plate.

ARod has really been great at the plate and decent in the field, but if a popup went to ARod and Damon who do you have more confidence in? Damon’s glove scares me in the OF and I think Girardi is doing the right thing subbing for him instead of Swisher.

Girardi has handled the bullpen well recently. Yesterday was an interesting call with Aceves pitching great and moving easily through his 1.1 innings in only 12 pitches might have had you think I wanted Girardi to ride the hot guy. In this case I was good with bringing in Coke for a couple of reasons. Baltimore had 3 lefties coming up in a row (dumb management job on their part), Aceves could pitch the next day if needed and Hughes was available even if we wanted to give him rest. Therefore we needed to get through the 8th and I was OK with bringing in Coke. As it turned out Girardi (and I) were lucky as a leadoff single, followed by a K was luckily erased on a rocket that went right to Texiera for a DP. I bring this up because I won’t even look back and say what I would do. In this case, I would have brought in Coke also, (although I surely wouldn’t have had any criticism staying with Ace) and while it worked, it only worked because of some luck…

Just think where we would be if we split the 8 games against Boston…we would be 9 games in front. A shame we got our lunch handed to us.

 
Liquid Tension said:
cobalt_27 said:
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Do you know that Jeter has the same OPS in the post-season as he has in the regular season? Do you also know that A-Rod has a playoff OPS that's -123 points lower than his regular season OPS?

To say that they are the same in the playoffs ignores this glaring discrepancy in your interpretation.
OK, so you are penalizing ARod because he is so good normally? How is it possible for someone to suck in the postseason and have the same OPS as a guy you say is clutch in the postseason?
Compared to his normal routine, he does suck. A-Roid has immense skills and talents in routine situations, particularly when aided by steroids. When he gets into the playoffs, when the stadiums are filled, and millions are watching on television, the glare of the spotlight causes his production to decrease dramatically away from the norm.While Jeter is not the natural (or unnatural) talent that A-Roid is, he remains consistent. What you see is what you get.

With the Fraud, what you see is not what you get overall in the playoffs. Hence, over the last 3 seasons in the playoffs, he's had 44 ABs and 4 hits. It's become psychological warfare for the guy, and he's losing big-time in recent years. In short, he's a choker.

End of story.

 
Liquid Tension said:
This was written before the day game on Wednesday…

A couple of points about the last few games:

Monday – I thought both teams hit extremely poorly. Each team missed a lot of good pitches to hit and the ump had a big strike zone. This kept the scoring down. That being said, it was good to see Pettitte have a little movement on his cutter for the first time since early this year. I think he needs the cutter to have any sort of effectiveness. Regardless of the events to help him, Pettitte pitched well and while I don’t expect that to continue, it was great to see.

Just to be fair, Aceves hung a terrible pitch but got lucky as well.

The Genius Maker has been great. Nobody has talked about this, but since the beginning of the 2008 season Rivera has saved 66 games out of 68 opportunities! The guy is amazing!

Mitre pitched OK. Obviously allowing too many hits, but he has enough stuff to be productive and could pitch better than that. He has a good sinker, decent velocity an OK breaking ball and a very good changeup. He also seems like a guy who will not walk too many. He can keep pitching as far as I am concerned. I reserve the right to pull the plug after the next start though J

Some of you remember my issues with first basemen fielding throws from catchers/pitchers and not stretching toward home like they would for a throw from an infielder. One other point I want to make is that when a dropped 3rd strike or even a bunt where stretching is not an issue (you have a lot of time), the first baseman should come off the bag to give a clean target (without runner in the way) and then catch the ball and then step on the base. This may be hard to explain in this forum, but the point is to give your thrower a good view so they don’t need to change the trajectory of the ball to get around/over the runner. Those of you watching carefully may have noticed a play where Texiera fielded a grounder at 1st and then threw to Jeter to get a force out and he kind of threw softly to throw it over the runner. Different base, but same concept. I want to say this before it happens in a live game.

While we are on some fundamentals, does anyone notice that the Yankees ALWAYS slide to the back of home plate and almost always don’t go directly into home plate? They also have yet to run into a catcher. They are making the job of a catcher very easy because they take longer to touch home plate and they go wide almost every time. There are certain times a surprise slide around makes sense, but when you do it every time it is not effective at all and is actually slower to get to the plate.

ARod has really been great at the plate and decent in the field, but if a popup went to ARod and Damon who do you have more confidence in? Damon’s glove scares me in the OF and I think Girardi is doing the right thing subbing for him instead of Swisher.

Girardi has handled the bullpen well recently. Yesterday was an interesting call with Aceves pitching great and moving easily through his 1.1 innings in only 12 pitches might have had you think I wanted Girardi to ride the hot guy. In this case I was good with bringing in Coke for a couple of reasons. Baltimore had 3 lefties coming up in a row (dumb management job on their part), Aceves could pitch the next day if needed and Hughes was available even if we wanted to give him rest. Therefore we needed to get through the 8th and I was OK with bringing in Coke. As it turned out Girardi (and I) were lucky as a leadoff single, followed by a K was luckily erased on a rocket that went right to Texiera for a DP. I bring this up because I won’t even look back and say what I would do. In this case, I would have brought in Coke also, (although I surely wouldn’t have had any criticism staying with Ace) and while it worked, it only worked because of some luck…

Just think where we would be if we split the 8 games against Boston…we would be 9 games in front. A shame we got our lunch handed to us.
That's the only reason I'm not confident in this lead. Boston just seems to have their number.
 

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