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[Leroy Hoard]

Chowder shelves Peralta:

Tigers shortstop Jhonny Peralta was a last-minute scratch for the ballgame. He got sick after eating some clam chowder, which the training staff learned contains at least one ingredient that he's allergic to.

"He didn't realize it was clam chowder," said Leyland, "until he got clammy and didn't feel too good. … I don't expect it to be anything of a lasting thing. I doubt that he'll be eating any clam chowder in the near future.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Chowder shelves Peralta: Tigers shortstop Jhonny Peralta was a last-minute scratch for the ballgame. He got sick after eating some clam chowder, which the training staff learned contains at least one ingredient that he's allergic to. "He didn't realize it was clam chowder," said Leyland, "until he got clammy and didn't feel too good. … I don't expect it to be anything of a lasting thing. I doubt that he'll be eating any clam chowder in the near future.

WTF?

 

[jon_mx]

Regular Season Wins: Over 92.5 (-110), Under 92.5 (-110).....tough one, but would take the over. Especially once they teach Peralta the difference between potato soup and clam chowder.

 

[jon_mx]

Regular Season Wins: Over 92.5 (-110), Under 92.5 (-110).....tough one, but would take the over. Especially once they teach Peralta the difference between potato soup and clam chowder.

Tigers have the highest over/under for wins at theGreek.com. Angels, Dodgers and Nationals all follow at 91.5

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'd play the under on all those.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'd play the under on all those.

I believe they don't even have to play all 162 if it won't affect the teams playoff spots. So under always has that going for it.

 

[Bogart]

Boesch released by Detroit. Yankees grab him to fill a hole?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Boesch released by Detroit. Yankees grab him to fill a hole?

More than enough power for that stadium, might drive you crazy though with his bad swings & defense.

 

[Da Guru]

Boesch released by Detroit. Yankees grab him to fill a hole?

More than enough power for that stadium, might drive you crazy though with his bad swings & defense.

The Tigers just re-signed BB for 2.3 million. Does he get paid if he is not on the opening day roster?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Boesch released by Detroit. Yankees grab him to fill a hole?

More than enough power for that stadium, might drive you crazy though with his bad swings & defense.

The Tigers just re-signed BB for 2.3 million. Does he get paid if he is not on the opening day roster?

"By releasing him today, the Tigers owe Boesch just one-sixth of his $2.3 million contract: just under $400,000.Boesch is available to any team via waivers, though that club would assume $1.9 million of his salary if he is claimed and makes the team. He will be a free agent if he passes through waivers."

 

[igbomb]

I don't think Boesch would have turned into anything here anyway. Bummer they couldn't get a bag of balls for him though.

This just opened the door a bit more for Donnie Kelly.

 

[Da Guru]

I don't think Boesch would have turned into anything here anyway. Bummer they couldn't get a bag of balls for him though. This just opened the door a bit more for Donnie Kelly.

Kelly has been a lock ever since they invited him back to camp.

 

[whoknew]

I don't think Boesch would have turned into anything here anyway. Bummer they couldn't get a bag of balls for him though. This just opened the door a bit more for Donnie Kelly.

Kelly has been a lock ever since they invited him back to camp.

If Kelly is a lock, that means either Kobernus or Berry has to go. It almost has to be Kobernus. I doubt they keep another left handed bat.And that also means Dirks is going to play almost everyday.

 

[jon_mx]

What does the opening day roster look like?

Everyday Starters (9):

Jackson, Hunter, Cabrera, Fielder, VMart, Dirks, Peralta, Avila, and Infante

Starting Rotation (5):

Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, Sanchez, and probably Smyly

Relievers (7):

Rondon, Benoit, Coke, Porcello, Dotel, Al Al, and Villarreal

Bench (4):

Pena, Santiago, Kelly (?) and who? Boesch/Berry/Garcia/Castellanos/Kobernus

I think Garcia is the best choice of that bunch, but knowing Leyland he will go with Berry or Boesch.

Update....Castellanos is interesting....I would like Santiago replaced.

 

[Da Guru]

I don't think Boesch would have turned into anything here anyway. Bummer they couldn't get a bag of balls for him though. This just opened the door a bit more for Donnie Kelly.

Kelly has been a lock ever since they invited him back to camp.

If Kelly is a lock, that means either Kobernus or Berry has to go. It almost has to be Kobernus. I doubt they keep another left handed bat.And that also means Dirks is going to play almost everyday.

Other than to pinch run they really do not need Berry anymore. Watching him wave that bat and slap at balls was getting very old towards the end of last year.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Other than to pinch run they really do not need Berry anymore. Watching him wave that bat and slap at balls was getting very old towards the end of last year.

I'd be very surprised to see Berry on the opening day roster. Kobernus is a RH Quintin Berry except he can hit better and can also play the infield if really needed there.my best guesses for hitters 10-13:Kobernus - Ramon - Kelly - Brayan Peña

 

[Doctor Detroit]

What does the opening day roster look like?

Everyday Starters (9):

Jackson, Hunter, Cabrera, Fielder, VMart, Dirks, Peralta, Avila, and Infante

Starting Rotation (5):

Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, Sanchez, and probably Smyly

Relievers (7):

Rondon, Benoit, Coke, Porcello, Dotel, Al Al, and Villarreal

Bench (4):

Pena, Santiago, Kelly (?) and who? Boesch/Berry/Garcia/Castellanos/Kobernus

I think Garcia is the best choice of that bunch, but knowing Leyland he will go with Berry or Boesch.

Update....Castellanos is interesting....I would like Santiago replaced.

He's 21 years old, is still learning a new position and will get very few at bats. Why would we want him with the big team? If one of the big three got hurt I'd call him up to fill that void and let him play 3B. Hopefully that doesn't happen and he's called up in September after spending the season in Erie.

 

[Eephus]

Apologies if it's a honda.

The Jim Leyland breakfast

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The Tigers' Prince Fielder was scratched from the lineup for Thursday's game against the Mets at Tradition Field because of a flat tire en route from his home near Orlando to the ballpark.

"He called us right away and felt terrible about it," said manager Jim Leyland, "but they put one of those little 50-mile tires on as a replacement and he wasn't sure if he could get down and back on it.

"So I told him to just stay home."

According to Leyland, Fielder had the flat on the Florida Turnpike near Orlando and could return home easily enough on the emergency tire, but not all the way to the game.

"I didn't want him to chance it." the manager said.

There's no shortage of long trips for the Tigers this spring, however.

"He'll go to Jupiter instead (on Saturday against the Cardinals)," Leyland said.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Tuiasosopo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Tuiasosopo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll bet he's the one who flattened Fielder's tire.

 

[igbomb]

Three straight outings for Rondon without a run or walk. Hopefully this ridiculously small sample size will calm down everyone enough to stop staring at the prior ridiculously small sample size that said he stunk. Just hoping this prevents any rash trade of a good young starter to get a 'proven closer'.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Tuiasosopo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll bet he's the one who flattened Fielder's tire.

 

[Da Guru]

Tuiasosopo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll bet he's the one who flattened Fielder's tire.

Met some old friends here for lunch today. They wanted to go out drinking after but I was too ####### full! http://scottysfishandchips.com/MENU.php

My grandmother used to live down the street..I had not been here for years.

 

[tri-man 47]

Met some old friends here for lunch today. They wanted to go out drinking after but I was too ####### full! http://scottysfishandchips.com/MENU.php

My grandmother used to live down the street..I had not been here for years.

I love the local joints.

 

[Da Guru]

Met some old friends here for lunch today. They wanted to go out drinking after but I was too ####### full! http://scottysfishandchips.com/MENU.php

My grandmother used to live down the street..I had not been here for years.

I love the local joints.

I could have done without the chowder and rolls.

 

[jon_mx]

Rondon.....three strikeouts and a walk.

Kind of hope they ease him into the closer position. Looks like he is gaining confidence in his off-speed stuff which is what will make him effective.

 

[jon_mx]

Garcia's slim chance of being on the opening day roster took hit .

 

[MAC_32]

What does the opening day roster look like?

Everyday Starters (9):

Jackson, Hunter, Cabrera, Fielder, VMart, Dirks, Peralta, Avila, and Infante

Starting Rotation (5):

Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, Sanchez, and probably Smyly

Relievers (7):

Rondon, Benoit, Coke, Porcello, Dotel, Al Al, and Villarreal

Bench (4):

Pena, Santiago, Kelly (?) and who? Boesch/Berry/Garcia/Castellanos/Kobernus

I think Garcia is the best choice of that bunch, but knowing Leyland he will go with Berry or Boesch.

Update....Castellanos is interesting....I would like Santiago replaced.

He's 21 years old, is still learning a new position and will get very few at bats. Why would we want him with the big team? If one of the big three got hurt I'd call him up to fill that void and let him play 3B. Hopefully that doesn't happen and he's called up in September after spending the season in Erie.

I hope he is up closer to July, but, yes, much closer to this than opening day.

 

[MAC_32]

Three straight outings for Rondon without a run or walk. Hopefully this ridiculously small sample size will calm down everyone enough to stop staring at the prior ridiculously small sample size that said he stunk. Just hoping this prevents any rash trade of a good young starter to get a 'proven closer'.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

What does the opening day roster look like?

Everyday Starters (9):

Jackson, Hunter, Cabrera, Fielder, VMart, Dirks, Peralta, Avila, and Infante

Starting Rotation (5):

Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, Sanchez, and probably Smyly

Relievers (7):

Rondon, Benoit, Coke, Porcello, Dotel, Al Al, and Villarreal

Bench (4):

Pena, Santiago, Kelly (?) and who? Boesch/Berry/Garcia/Castellanos/Kobernus

I think Garcia is the best choice of that bunch, but knowing Leyland he will go with Berry or Boesch.

Update....Castellanos is interesting....I would like Santiago replaced.

He's 21 years old, is still learning a new position and will get very few at bats. Why would we want him with the big team? If one of the big three got hurt I'd call him up to fill that void and let him play 3B. Hopefully that doesn't happen and he's called up in September after spending the season in Erie.

I hope he is up closer to July, but, yes, much closer to this than opening day.

That's fine by me as long as he's getting at bats with the big club. Leyland seems like he might keep him which to me is dumb, he'll never get his confidence going with seven at bats a week. You can call him up and use him to specifically fill for an injury and since he's getting OF time it gives the team flexibility. Hunter or Dirks go down, call him up. One of the big three go down, call him up. But don't let him rot on the bench when he can get a few hundred at bats in the minors. Seems like a closer by committee to start season but I think they lean on Rondon the most. Hopefully he's learned some lessons but those walks are gonna be maddening at times. Spring training is to tweak stuff though, the real test comes when the games count.

 

[Da Guru]

Three straight outings for Rondon without a run or walk. Hopefully this ridiculously small sample size will calm down everyone enough to stop staring at the prior ridiculously small sample size that said he stunk. Just hoping this prevents any rash trade of a good young starter to get a 'proven closer'.

Was listening to the game yesterday and Jim Price said that Rondon speaks zero english, and understands very little english. Leylands trip to the mound should be interesting. Miggy is going to have translate.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Three straight outings for Rondon without a run or walk. Hopefully this ridiculously small sample size will calm down everyone enough to stop staring at the prior ridiculously small sample size that said he stunk. Just hoping this prevents any rash trade of a good young starter to get a 'proven closer'.

Was listening to the game yesterday and Jim Price said that Rondon speaks zero english, and understands very little english. Leylands trip to the mound should be interesting. Miggy is going to have translate.

Avila says his espanol is "ok" and Pena is a native speaker. All Leyland has to say and all Rondon needs to learn is, "throw ####### strikes."

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Tigers talking Smyly as the long reliever. They mention not just starters getting shelled but also early season weather delays that boot the starter.

Not the worst option when you consider the lefty lineups he would be going up against with all 5 starters being right handed.

2012 splits:

.671 OPS vs LHH

.759 OPS vs. RHH

 

[jon_mx]

Porcello has earned the spot as the 5th starter. He has been stagnant the last few years, but now has looked better than ever. I can see Pircello having a real good year.

 

[teamramrod]

Three straight outings for Rondon without a run or walk. Hopefully this ridiculously small sample size will calm down everyone enough to stop staring at the prior ridiculously small sample size that said he stunk. Just hoping this prevents any rash trade of a good young starter to get a 'proven closer'.

Was listening to the game yesterday and Jim Price said that Rondon speaks zero english, and understands very little english. Leylands trip to the mound should be interesting. Miggy is going to have translate.

Leyland says to Avisial says to Miggy say to Rondon.BTW...state legislator in Michigan says foreign language requirement is a detriment to HS graduation....Peace

 

[teamramrod]

Porcello has earned the spot as the 5th starter. He has been stagnant the last few years, but now has looked better than ever. I can see Porcello having a real good year.

I can see Porcello laying on his back on the mound in the world series holding the game winnign ball shouting.....SHOW ME THE MONEYpeace

 

[Doctor Detroit]

 

[Mr. Pickles]

glll peace

 

[igbomb]

Porcello has earned the spot as the 5th starter. He has been stagnant the last few years, but now has looked better than ever. I can see Pircello having a real good year.

I think the perception that Porcello has been stagnant is wrong. If you only look at his Wins, a garbage stat, then he looks flat. But there are a whole host of other measures where he was improved year over year in both 11 and 12 from the year before:K/9, GB%, LOB%, ERA, FIP, xFIP, WAR, SO, ERA-The guy has been getting better every year and he is 24. Whether you think he is an above or below average pitcher depends entirely on whether you hold him accountable for the defense behind him.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Porcello has earned the spot as the 5th starter. He has been stagnant the last few years, but now has looked better than ever. I can see Pircello having a real good year.

I think the perception that Porcello has been stagnant is wrong. If you only look at his Wins, a garbage stat, then he looks flat. But there are a whole host of other measures where he was improved year over year in both 11 and 12 from the year before:K/9, GB%, LOB%, ERA, FIP, xFIP, WAR, SO, ERA-The guy has been getting better every year and he is 24. Whether you think he is an above or below average pitcher depends entirely on whether you hold him accountable for the defense behind him.

The huge outfield doesn't help him as much as others in the rotation and infield defense is something a groundball pitcher does need more.

 

[jon_mx]

Porcello's rookie year he had an ERA below 4.00, and he has not even come close to approaching that since. He had a bad second season and has made some slight improvements since then, but no where near where his potential should be. He has been a marginal 4th/5th guy who we have gotten some decent number of innings out of. He is having a great spring and had shown much better stuff, so I am very optimistic about him being a very good option for the Tigers. But to pretend he has not been disappointing is delusional. There is a reason they have been shopping him and getting very little interest. Porcello has something to prove and I believe he will.

 

[jon_mx]

What does the opening day roster look like?

Everyday Starters (9):

Jackson, Hunter, Cabrera, Fielder, VMart, Dirks, Peralta, Avila, and Infante

Starting Rotation (5):

Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, Sanchez, and probably Smyly

Relievers (7):

Rondon, Benoit, Coke, Porcello, Dotel, Al Al, and Villarreal

Bench (4):

Pena, Santiago, Kelly (?) and who? Boesch/Berry/Garcia/Castellanos/Kobernus

I think Garcia is the best choice of that bunch, but knowing Leyland he will go with Berry or Boesch.

Update....Castellanos is interesting....I would like Santiago replaced.

Castellanos and Below to the minors. Does Kobernus have a shot?

 

[MAC_32]

Porcello has earned the spot as the 5th starter. He has been stagnant the last few years, but now has looked better than ever. I can see Pircello having a real good year.

I think the perception that Porcello has been stagnant is wrong. If you only look at his Wins, a garbage stat, then he looks flat. But there are a whole host of other measures where he was improved year over year in both 11 and 12 from the year before:K/9, GB%, LOB%, ERA, FIP, xFIP, WAR, SO, ERA-The guy has been getting better every year and he is 24. Whether you think he is an above or below average pitcher depends entirely on whether you hold him accountable for the defense behind him.

This is the type of stuff the Tigers should be using to dangle him out there for a trade, here's hoping that's what they're doing by giving him the 5th starter spot too. If our top 4 are heathly and Porcello has a good start - trade him. Until he gets over the 3rd time through the order hurdle he is simply a very mediocre pitcher. He often starts off games well, but hits a wall in the 4th, 5th, occasionally 6th inning and cannot get past it. Our shoddy defense is not why Porcello hasn't progressed as expected.

 

[igbomb]

Porcello's rookie year he had an ERA below 4.00, and he has not even come close to approaching that since. He had a bad second season and has made some slight improvements since then, but no where near where his potential should be. He has been a marginal 4th/5th guy who we have gotten some decent number of innings out of. He is having a great spring and had shown much better stuff, so I am very optimistic about him being a very good option for the Tigers. But to pretend he has not been disappointing is delusional. There is a reason they have been shopping him and getting very little interest. Porcello has something to prove and I believe he will.

Very little interest? By all accounts, the Tigers are getting a ton of calls about him. The only people who don't think this kid has been good and has a really bright future are Tigers fans.

 

[jon_mx]

Porcello's rookie year he had an ERA below 4.00, and he has not even come close to approaching that since. He had a bad second season and has made some slight improvements since then, but no where near where his potential should be. He has been a marginal 4th/5th guy who we have gotten some decent number of innings out of. He is having a great spring and had shown much better stuff, so I am very optimistic about him being a very good option for the Tigers. But to pretend he has not been disappointing is delusional. There is a reason they have been shopping him and getting very little interest. Porcello has something to prove and I believe he will.

Very little interest? By all accounts, the Tigers are getting a ton of calls about him. The only people who don't think this kid has been good and has a really bright future are Tigers fans.

I have repeatedly said he has looked good this spring and I expect him to have a very good year this year. There probably has been a lot of interest because people thought they could get him cheap, but he could not even command a decent relief pitcher in exchange for him. Right now the Tigers would be dumb to trade him. Rondon has started to look like a guy who can be weened into the closer role, and Smyly has struggled a bit. Detroit does not have a good option beyond Smyly, so Tigers should stay put at where they are at. I think the way Porcello has looked this spring they will get some better offers now, but just say no.

 

[tri-man 47]

I have repeatedly said he has looked good this spring and I expect him to have a very good year this year. There probably has been a lot of interest because people thought they could get him cheap, but he could not even command a decent relief pitcher in exchange for him. Right now the Tigers would be dumb to trade him. Rondon has started to look like a guy who can be weened into the closer role, and Smyly has struggled a bit. Detroit does not have a good option beyond Smyly, so Tigers should stay put at where they are at. I think the way Porcello has looked this spring they will get some better offers now, but just say no.

Somewhere I read a recent article about how rare it is for teams to only have 5 pitchers start games over the course of the season ...it's not uncommon for the number to reach double digits. Having 6 solid options (incl. Porcello and Smyly) is a good position to be in. Keep them both - it's likely they'll be needed.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I have repeatedly said he has looked good this spring and I expect him to have a very good year this year. There probably has been a lot of interest because people thought they could get him cheap, but he could not even command a decent relief pitcher in exchange for him. Right now the Tigers would be dumb to trade him. Rondon has started to look like a guy who can be weened into the closer role, and Smyly has struggled a bit. Detroit does not have a good option beyond Smyly, so Tigers should stay put at where they are at. I think the way Porcello has looked this spring they will get some better offers now, but just say no.

Somewhere I read a recent article about how rare it is for teams to only have 5 pitchers start games over the course of the season ...it's not uncommon for the number to reach double digits. Having 6 solid options (incl. Porcello and Smyly) is a good position to be in. Keep them both - it's likely they'll be needed.

I've said this all along. Tigers have control of him for three more years so if you want to trade him, at earliest you do it after 2013. To me you keep a solid innings eater who still has an upside. At worst you use him in middle relief or even in key spots vs righties along the way. For now he looks like the #5 and with Smyly as the #6 I would worry a lot less about an injury like Fister had last year.

 

[Greco]

I think trading Porcello would be dumb.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I have repeatedly said he has looked good this spring and I expect him to have a very good year this year. There probably has been a lot of interest because people thought they could get him cheap, but he could not even command a decent relief pitcher in exchange for him. Right now the Tigers would be dumb to trade him. Rondon has started to look like a guy who can be weened into the closer role, and Smyly has struggled a bit. Detroit does not have a good option beyond Smyly, so Tigers should stay put at where they are at. I think the way Porcello has looked this spring they will get some better offers now, but just say no.

Somewhere I read a recent article about how rare it is for teams to only have 5 pitchers start games over the course of the season ...it's not uncommon for the number to reach double digits. Having 6 solid options (incl. Porcello and Smyly) is a good position to be in. Keep them both - it's likely they'll be needed.

I've said this all along. Tigers have control of him for three more years so if you want to trade him, at earliest you do it after 2013. To me you keep a solid innings eater who still has an upside. At worst you use him in middle relief or even in key spots vs righties along the way. For now he looks like the #5 and with Smyly as the #6 I would worry a lot less about an injury like Fister had last year.

I've been all for keeping Porcello all offseason. The trade talk is mostly media-driven I think/hope.I felt good going into last season but it doesn't compare to this season. Have we created a checklist yet?-MVP-VMart returns, batting 5th.-Hunter in RF, adding defense, offense, attitude, veteran.-Unbelievable starting rotation.-Starter depth-OF depth-No Raburn or Inge-Better bullpen than in 2012.