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***Officialish Detroit Tigers Thread*** (4 Viewers)

Nice series fellas...I don't see much slowing down from you, and who knows at what rate the Tribe will rebound...but maybe we'll have something at stake for the set in Detroit.

 
Hey Coach, I know the arms were tired after the long game recently and that you were going to add more stress when Porcello could only go 5 innings. But you were asking for trouble using Coke for just one out, then Bonderman and Smyly for two outs each. You backed yourself into a corner having to rely on Al Al in the 10th. I'll give you a pass since Cleveland lost as well, but still ...

Cabrera ...against Rivera ...2 outs; 2 strikes ...the legend grows. Man, I wished they'd have won that game.

 
tri-man 47 said:
Cabrera ...against Rivera ...2 outs; 2 strikes ...the legend grows. Man, I wished they'd have won that game.
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One of the best parts of the season was Mariano turning around and saying, "wow." That's about the highest compliment a hitter can get to be honest, Mo probably hasn't done that much in his illustrious career.

 
This 17-2 stretch is the best 18 game or better stretch in franchise history.

This could be one of the best teams in franchise history, talent-wise it probably is.

 
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Miggy doin' it with a bandaged leg ...warrior. Lot of contributions throughout. Nice to see Iglesius getting a couple more hits. JV back up tomorrow!

 
Doctor Detroit said:
This 17-2 stretch is the best 18 game or better stretch in franchise history.

This could be one of the best teams in franchise history, talent-wise it probably is.
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Without a doubt. The rotation is probably the best in Tigers' history. Cabrera is the best hitter in Tigers' history, in his prime. Everyone else in the top five in the line-up is a stud, and all of the role players are playing solid and contributing at the same time. Bull pen is in order with Benoit, Smyly and Veras about as lock-down as you can get and a beast in Rondon who is figuring it out. Bondo returning and looking good makes this team feel even more special.

Whether they win the world series or not, this is the best Leyland/DD team yet, and as good as any Tigers team ever.

 
Arguably the top teams to date (details from about.com):

1. 1984: Blazing start, blazing finish

The Tigers had a record 35-5 start to what became a magical season. Jack Morris threw a no-hitter, and Willie Hernandez won the MVP and Cy Young as closer. A deep lineup and solid rotation and the team's fourth championship.

Manager: Sparky Anderson

Regular season: 104-58, won AL East by 15 games over the Toronto Blue Jays.

Playoffs: Beat Kansas City Royals in ALCS (3-0); beat San Diego Padres in World Series (4-1)

Hitting leaders: C Lance Parrish (.237, 33 HR, 98 RBI), RF Kirk Gibson (.282, 27 HR, 91 RBI), SS Alan Trammell (.314, 14 HR, 69 RBI)

Pitching: RHP Jack Morris (19-11, 3.60 ERA), RHP Dan Petry (18-8, 3.24 ERA), LHP Willie Hernandez (9-3, 1.92 ERA, 32 saves)

2. 1968: McLain stars in year of pitcher

Denny McLain had one of the greatest years a pitcher ever had, become the majors' last 30-game winner, winning the MVP and Cy Young. Mickey Lolich won three games in a classic World Series win over the Cardinals.

Manager: Mayo Smith

Regular season: 103-59, won American League by 12 games over the Baltimore Orioles.

Playoffs: Beat St. Louis Cardinals in World Series (4-3)

Hitting leaders: LF Willie Horton (.285, 36 HR, 85 RBI), C Bill Freehan (.263, 25 HR, 84 RBI), RF Jim Northrup (.264, 21 HR, 90 RBI)

Pitching: RHP Denny McLain (31-6, 1.96 ERA), LHP Mickey Lolich (17-9, 3.19 ERA), RHP Earl Wilson (13-12, 2.85 ERA)

3. 1935: Hank Greenberg leads comeback

The Tigers scored six runs per game with four Hall of Famers in the lineup in MVP Hank Greenberg, Charlie Gehringer, Goose Goslin and player-manager Mickey Cochrane. They started 2-9, but rebounded from losing the previous World Series to beat the Cubs.

Manager: Mickey Cochrane

Regular season: 93-58, won American League by three games over the New York Yankees.

Playoffs: Beat Chicago Cubs in World Series (4-2)

Hitting leaders: 1B Hank Greenberg (.328, 36 HR, 170 RBI), 2B Charlie Gehringer (.330, 19 HR, 108 RBI), OF Goose Goslin (.292, 9 HR, 109 RBI)

Pitching: RHP Tommy Bridges (21-10, 3.51 ERA), Schoolboy Rowe (19-13, 3.69 ERA), RHP Elden Auker (18-7, 3.83 ERA)

4. 1909: Ty Cobb wins Triple Crown

Ty Cobb never won a World Series, but he came closest in one of his best seasons. He led the league in average (.377), home runs (9) and RBI (107), but the Tigers lost in a seven-game World Series to a dominant Pirates team that won 110 games.

Manager: Hughie Jennings

Regular season: 98-54, won American League by 3.5 games over the Philadelphia A's.

Playoffs: Lost World Series to the Pittsburgh Pirates (4-3)

Hitting leaders: OF Ty Cobb (.377, 9 HR, 107 RBI, 76 SB), OF Sam Crawford (.314, 6 HR, 97 RBI, 30 SB), SS Donie Bush (.273, 0 HR, 33 RBI, 53 SB)

Pitching: RHP George Mullin (29-8, 2.22 ERA), RHP Ed Willett (21-10, 2.34 ERA), RHP Ed Summers (19-9, 2.24 ERA)

5. 1945: Newhouser back-to-back MVP

In the last season during World War II, the Tigers emerged as the best team in a season with a lot of parity. They had a solid ace in Hal Newhouser, who was the MVP and won 25 games with a 1.81 ERA. Hank Greenberg came back from the war to hit 13 homers in 78 games.

Manager: Steve O'Neill

Regular season: 88-65, won American League by 1.5 games over the Washington Senators.

Playoffs: Beat Chicago Cubs in World Series (4-3)

Hitting leaders: OF Roy Cullenbine (.277, 18 HR, 93 RBI), 1B Rudy York (.264, 18 HR, 87 RBI), OF Hank Greenberg (.311, 13 HR, 60 RBI in 78 games)

Pitching: LHP Hal Newhouser (25-9, 1.81 ERA), RHP Dizzy Trout (18-15, 3.14 ERA), RHP Al Benton (13-8, 2.02 ERA)

6. 1934: 101-53, no title

These Tigers were great, yet didn't win the ultimate prize. They won a pennant, though, at the same time as another great team, the St. Louis "Gashouse Gang," who beat the Tigers in a classic seven-game World Series.

Manager: Mickey Cochrane

Regular season: 101-53, won American League by seven games over the New York Yankees

Playoffs: Lost to St. Louis Cardinals in World Series (4-3)

Hitting leaders: 1B Hank Greenberg (.339, 26 HR, 139 RBI), 2B Charlie Gehringer (.356, 11 HR, 127 RBI), OF Goose Goslin (.305, 13 HR, 100 RBI)

Pitching: RHP Schoolboy Rowe (24-8, 3.45 ERA), RHP Tommy Bridges (22-11, 3.67 ERA), RHP Elden Auker (15-7, 3.42 ERA)

7. 1961: 101 wins, no pennant

One of the greatest teams to never make the playoffs in baseball history. The Tigers had a great offense and enough pitching, but the Yankees had perhaps their most dominant team ever at the same time.

Manager: Bob Scheffing

Regular season: 101-61, second in American League, eight games behind New York Yankees

Hitting leaders: 1B Norm Cash (.361, 41 HR, 132 RBI), LF Rocky Colavito (.290, 45 HR, 140 RBI), RF Al Kaline (.324, 19 HR, 82 RBI)

Pitching: RHP Frank Lary (23-9, 3.24 ERA), RHP Jim Bunning (17-11, 3.19), LHP Don Mossi (15-7, 2.96 ERA)

8. 2006: A surprise pennant

The Tigers had 13 consecutive losing seasons until 2006, when they came out of nowhere to win the AL wild card. Then they got hot in the postseason before losing in the World Series to St. Louis.

Manager: Jim Leyland

Regular season: 95-67, second in AL Central by one game over Minnesota Twins, won AL wild card by five games over Chicago White Sox.

Playoffs: Beat New York Yankees in ALDS (3-1), beat Oakland A's in ALCS (4-0), lost to St. Louis Cardinals in World Series (4-1)

Hitting leaders: SS Carlos Guillen (.320, 19 HR, 85 RBI), RF Magglio Ordonez (.298, 24 HR, 104 RBI), C Ivan Rodriguez (.300, 13 HR, 69 RBI)

Pitching: LHP Kenny Rogers (17-8, 3.84 ERA), RHP Justin Verlander (17-9, 3.63 ERA), RHP Todd Jones (2-6, 3.94 ERA, 37 saves)

 
Doctor Detroit said:
This 17-2 stretch is the best 18 game or better stretch in franchise history.

This could be one of the best teams in franchise history, talent-wise it probably is.
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Really? They did not go 17-2 during their 35-5 opening? Or it seems several years back they had a run which where they were like 20-3. Seems like the 35-5 you could find 20 games where they went 18-2.

 
The '84 team started 16-1 and went 19-2, so this team is tracking that streak.

IMO the 1909 was the best Tigers team, pretty sad they didn't win the World Series that year. '84 and '68 teams were both dominant, 1961 one of the unluckiest ever.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
The '84 team started 16-1 and went 19-2, so this team is tracking that streak.

IMO the 1909 was the best Tigers team, pretty sad they didn't win the World Series that year. '84 and '68 teams were both dominant, 1961 one of the unluckiest ever.
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Have to give credit, also, to the back-to-back WS appearances of the '34 and '35 squads. '84 was crazy with that fast start. They settled down quite a bit after that. The '68 team had a lot of personality to it. Like the current team, they had flexibility. I'll always remember Mickey Stanley moving from the outfield to SS for the Series (my parents knew Stanley from Grand Rapids; he was dating our neighbor in high school, and helped baby sit us kids when I was a year or two old). I agree about the tough luck for the great '61 team.

I'd love to see this team repeat the experience from the '30s - return to the Series and get the win. Not doing so would be a disappointment.

 
That Hernan Perez at bat with the bases loaded was the worst at bat I've seen all year. Infante should be back this week, thankfully.

Verlander a victim of the bandbox stadium, neither of those homers were gone at Comerica but both were terrible pitches.

 
What we need is to combine the 84 team with this years team.

AJ

Trammel

Miggy

Fielder

Gibson

VMart

Hunter

Whitaker

Parish

Rotation

Verlander, Morris, Max, Sanchez, and Petry

Throw Hernandez and Lopez in the bullpen and you are good to go.

 
"Wow"

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Tough to lose again after another Miggy moment (VMart, too), but 5 of 7 for the trip and the continuing collapse of Cleveland eases the pain. The drama of Miggy's performance in NY could/should solidify him for MVP.

And just saw this regarding Rivera's third-straight blown save:

Rivera has a record 643 saves, but had never failed three in a row in 936 relief appearances.

 
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Doctor Detroit said:
That Hernan Perez at bat with the bases loaded was the worst at bat I've seen all year. Infante should be back this week, thankfully.

Verlander a victim of the bandbox stadium, neither of those homers were gone at Comerica but both were terrible pitches.
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Hunter swung at ball 4 with a 3-1 count and grounded out weakly to second ..a walk would have loaded the bases for Miggy. Thought for sure he would be taking all the way with Andy being all over the place in that AB.

 
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It feels so good to watch this team void of hatred of our shortstop. Must be like greco watching the inge less version right after he got put to pasture.

 
Lot of games over the next several days ...our pitchers all need to eat up innings. I'm sure Leyland was hoping to get a couple innings from Al Al, but that's tough to do when Al Al can't get hardly anyone out.

Miggy .. :wub:

 
Going to see Erie play tonight and probably tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing Suarez most, but also how Fields and McCann are coming along. Was hoping to see Verhagen pitch but he won't go again until Friday, damn. Right now the bulk of the minor league talent is probably in Lakeland, so Erie should be fun to watch the next two years.

Also on the farm...Toledo named the best minor league market in baseball!

 
Couple of ho-hum losses ...bit of a let-down after the big sweep in Cleveland and the dramatic games in NY? Odd that both Fister and Scherzer got a case of the wilds rather early in their games. Scherzer probably didn't help by feeding Garcia a steady of diet of fastballs until he lined one into the corner. Add in poor plays by Miggy and Bonderman and a lack of hitting by AJax in particular and we get a loss. Good to see Infante back strong. Porcello can right the ship today.

 
I pray thee peace, I will be flesh and blood;
For there was never yet philosopher
That could endure the toothache patiently,
However they have writ the style of gods,
And made a push at chance and sufferance.

 
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