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As a Twins fan I can only wish we had a season as good as the tigers. Detroit still is the best in the central and should be back in the ALCS next year and with a little luck in the WS
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BobbyLayne
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Bottom line: The Tigers got three starts from Scherzer and Verlander - 21 1/3 innings between them in the series. The Red Sox had one run on the scoreboard at the time the Tigers went to the bullpen in those three games.
Detroit lost all three.
Detroit lost all three.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
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Fair & Balanced
Needs?
Looks like Dirks will be gone. Have to get a left fielder/leadoff hitter. A player will that can get on base and work the count. Jackson needs to be kept in the 7-8 spot..brings some speed to the bottom of the order. Does our resident Peter Brand (DoctorDetroit) have anyone in mind that the Tigers could fit on the payroll? Maybe Porcello for a leadoff guy?
Benoit? This is a tough one because Benoit pretty much saved the season after Grande flopped again, but looked weak towards the end and in the playoffs looked shakey as well. Still like him as a possible setup man, not sure I like him to close anymore.
Veras? Has a decent one year option. At times he looked unhittable, at other times well you know the answer.
Jim Leyland? At his presser Jim looked like he was going to black out..his breathing was deep and fast and he looked totally spent and worn out. Does the team need a new voice?
Prince Fielder..wow has his image taken a hit nationally, but more important the locals fans have turned on him, and rightly so. Just another horrible post-season in every way. Blunders in all areas of the game. Plus he looked totally different the last few games. like he did not want to be out there.
Infante? Not sure where the Tigers stand with Omar..do they want him back? Or ready to give Perez a shot?
Looks like Dirks will be gone. Have to get a left fielder/leadoff hitter. A player will that can get on base and work the count. Jackson needs to be kept in the 7-8 spot..brings some speed to the bottom of the order. Does our resident Peter Brand (DoctorDetroit) have anyone in mind that the Tigers could fit on the payroll? Maybe Porcello for a leadoff guy?
Benoit? This is a tough one because Benoit pretty much saved the season after Grande flopped again, but looked weak towards the end and in the playoffs looked shakey as well. Still like him as a possible setup man, not sure I like him to close anymore.
Veras? Has a decent one year option. At times he looked unhittable, at other times well you know the answer.
Jim Leyland? At his presser Jim looked like he was going to black out..his breathing was deep and fast and he looked totally spent and worn out. Does the team need a new voice?
Prince Fielder..wow has his image taken a hit nationally, but more important the locals fans have turned on him, and rightly so. Just another horrible post-season in every way. Blunders in all areas of the game. Plus he looked totally different the last few games. like he did not want to be out there.
Infante? Not sure where the Tigers stand with Omar..do they want him back? Or ready to give Perez a shot?
whoknew
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Wow -
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Report: Jim Leyland to step down as Tigers manager.
Ken Rosenthal is reporting.
Deadspin @Deadspin
Report: Jim Leyland to step down as Tigers manager.
Ken Rosenthal is reporting.
BobbyLayne
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Doctor Detroit
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Shin-Soo Choo to leadoff and play RF, and he's easily the first choice. He's so perfect it hurts my head to think about.
Doctor Detroit
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Kirk Gibson, Bud Black, Mike Maddux, and Jim Riggleman would be my top four choices
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BobbyLayne
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Leroy Hoard
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
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Leroy Hoard
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Bullpens were the difference as well as crippled Miggy,
Rondon coming back healthy would be a huge plus but they still need to replace more of what they in have there right now.
Rondon coming back healthy would be a huge plus but they still need to replace more of what they in have there right now.
whoknew
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Smack Tripper
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Godspeed skip
whoknew
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LF - I reckon Castellanos will be given first shot at that job. Maybe with Dirks as a platoon partner. Jackson will still lead off.
Benoit - I think as long as he doesn't want some monster deal, they will re-sign him. 2 years/$12-15 million. If he wants a lot more than that, he'll be gone.
Veras - Certain to pick up his option. He'll be back.
Fielder - It would be AWESOME to trade him and move Miggy back to first. But nobody is going to take that contract.
Infante - I think he's probably similar to Benoit. If its a reasonable deal, they will bring him back. He's pretty darn good.
Scherzer - This is the biggest question. What to do about him? I'm very curious to see how they go. They may take the best deal they can get and move Smyly back to the rotation.
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Bobcat10
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
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I agree..but Boras has already said 100 million is a low starting point for Choo.
Doctor Detroit
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Not having Rondon, our best bullpen arm, killed us. Apparently the elbow is ok and I see this guy in a Trevor Rosenthal kind of role next year.
Not sure if Benoit will be back, Veras will be for sure. They need to add two more bullpen arms and there are a ton of them available.
I also disagree with Who Knew, no chance AJAX leads off next year. They'll find someone to lead off and play 2B (Infante might be that guy anyway if he forces himself to look at more pitches), or bring a LF/RF in to do it. There is no way they'll go through that mess again and AJAX is more of a 6/7 hitter anyway.
Doctor Detroit
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One interesting OF possibility is Curtis Granderson if he can't get a long-term deal from anyone. I think he'd be willing to do a one year deal with Tigers and play LF which would be perfect for everyone. Corey Hart is probably a decent option also, Jason Kubel, Andres Torres, and Rajei Davis a few others that would be cheap and good platoon options.
Eric Wedge is an interesting name. I think it's gonna be someone who has managed before.
Eric Wedge is an interesting name. I think it's gonna be someone who has managed before.
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Doctor Detroit
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Boras can ask whatever he wants, doesn't mean he'll get it. Detroit has a great working relationship with him, but signing Choo does seem like a long-shot.
I also can't see any scenario where Max is dealt. There is absolutely no reason to deal him, not one. Porcello on the other hand can be dealt and that is where you might land a leadoff hitter.
tri-man 47
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DD, do you think they'll sign Scherzer to a monster deal as well, or ride out next year and see what develops?
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Ride it out, let him walk. This team is going to be broken up after '14 and '15 anyway, he'll be the opening volley in that transition.
DD, do you think they'll sign Scherzer to a monster deal as well, or ride out next year and see what develops?
I was one of the people surprised that they signed Verlander to a long-term deal though, you can never tell with Illitch. I'm thinking Boras is wanting to get the Max stuff settled this offseason though at his peak value, but I think the Tigers would be ill advised to play that game.
whoknew
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Sure there is - in a year, he's going to sign a MONSTER deal. And I'm not sure the Tigers can afford another monster deal. So trade him now to get something for him.
whoknew
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I don't think that's a good strategy at all. Let him go for a sandwich round compensation pick? No.Ride it out, let him walk. This team is going to be broken up after '14 and '15 anyway, he'll be the opening volley in that transition.
DD, do you think they'll sign Scherzer to a monster deal as well, or ride out next year and see what develops?
I was one of the people surprised that they signed Verlander to a long-term deal though, you can never tell with Illitch. I'm thinking Boras is wanting to get the Max stuff settled this offseason though at his peak value, but I think the Tigers would be ill advised to play that game.
You either trade him now or sign him long term.
Doctor Detroit
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Normally I would agree that those are the two best options, but not with this franchise. VMART, Hunter, and Scherzer are gone after next year, Cabrera after '15. AJAX, Fister, Porcello and Avila all end in '15 also. They are playing for 1-2 years, then they can get players and prospects for any number of those guys I mentioned. Trading him isn't a great idea unless the haul was a ton, re-signing a 30-year-old pitcher to another monster contract doesn't seem like a great idea either. Letting him stay then walk to me is fine in this scenario but maybe they can get him to take a Sanchez-like deal which would be palatable.I don't think that's a good strategy at all. Let him go for a sandwich round compensation pick? No.Ride it out, let him walk. This team is going to be broken up after '14 and '15 anyway, he'll be the opening volley in that transition.
DD, do you think they'll sign Scherzer to a monster deal as well, or ride out next year and see what develops?
I was one of the people surprised that they signed Verlander to a long-term deal though, you can never tell with Illitch. I'm thinking Boras is wanting to get the Max stuff settled this offseason though at his peak value, but I think the Tigers would be ill advised to play that game.
You either trade him now or sign him long term.
Breaking up the position players isn't something I'm completely against. Infante is going to be sought after though with this 2B crop being so horrible. If he leaves, Brian Roberts would be interesting, but the other options (Casilla, Kelly Johnson, Punto) are really bad. Re-sign Omar, go from there.
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Limp Ditka
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I'd like to think that the dedication Lloyd's shown over the last 8 years would put him in the position as the front runner to replace Smokey.
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whoknew
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I agree re-signing Infante is the #1 priority. There really is no substitute for him in the organization.Normally I would agree that those are the two best options, but not with this franchise. VMART, Hunter, and Scherzer are gone after next year, Cabrera after '15. AJAX, Fister, Porcello and Avila all end in '15 also. They are playing for 1-2 years, then they can get players and prospects for any number of those guys I mentioned. Trading him isn't a great idea unless the haul was a ton, re-signing a 30-year-old pitcher to another monster contract doesn't seem like a great idea either. Letting him stay then walk to me is fine in this scenario but maybe they can get him to take a Sanchez-like deal which would be palatable.I don't think that's a good strategy at all. Let him go for a sandwich round compensation pick? No.Ride it out, let him walk. This team is going to be broken up after '14 and '15 anyway, he'll be the opening volley in that transition.
DD, do you think they'll sign Scherzer to a monster deal as well, or ride out next year and see what develops?
I was one of the people surprised that they signed Verlander to a long-term deal though, you can never tell with Illitch. I'm thinking Boras is wanting to get the Max stuff settled this offseason though at his peak value, but I think the Tigers would be ill advised to play that game.
You either trade him now or sign him long term.
Breaking up the position players isn't something I'm completely against. Infante is going to be sought after though with this 2B crop being so horrible. If he leaves, Brian Roberts would be interesting, but the other options (Casilla, Kelly Johnson, Punto) are really bad. Re-sign Omar, go from there.
Its an interesting point about what the next few years will bring. I always assumed that once VMart contract is up, they will move Fielder to DH/1B and Cabrera to 1B/DH. And then (hopefully) move Castellanos back to 3B. With the staff they have, I think its possible that the window is more than two years. The Verlander/Sanchez/Porcello/Smyly/Cabrera/Fielder/Jackson/Castellanos/Iglesias core is young. And good.
If you can trade Max now and get a load of prospects, then that would really solidify the core for a number of years. Having said that - I HATE to see Max go.
The Max issue is an interesting one. Even next year - he's going to get a ton in arbitration.
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Doctor Detroit
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Kurkjian just said he was the leading candidate.
That said, Lloyd being a terrible hitting coach doesn't make him an awful manager.
Leroy Hoard
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Yes. And the best part is they would be getting a new hitting coach.Kurkjian just said he was the leading candidate.
That said, Lloyd being a terrible hitting coach doesn't make him an awful manager.
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Can you think of any teams that would trade us a bunch of prospects then sign Max to a 5/125? Would Seattle? Cubs? Angels? I just don't know, seems like it would have to be Max for a current OFer and maybe a prospect or two but it would have to be to a team that needs an ace, and has the money/desire. Would the Yankees do it? I doubt it and I don't think their system can afford to be giving away good players at the minor or major league level.I agree re-signing Infante is the #1 priority. There really is no substitute for him in the organization.Normally I would agree that those are the two best options, but not with this franchise. VMART, Hunter, and Scherzer are gone after next year, Cabrera after '15. AJAX, Fister, Porcello and Avila all end in '15 also. They are playing for 1-2 years, then they can get players and prospects for any number of those guys I mentioned. Trading him isn't a great idea unless the haul was a ton, re-signing a 30-year-old pitcher to another monster contract doesn't seem like a great idea either. Letting him stay then walk to me is fine in this scenario but maybe they can get him to take a Sanchez-like deal which would be palatable.I don't think that's a good strategy at all. Let him go for a sandwich round compensation pick? No.Ride it out, let him walk. This team is going to be broken up after '14 and '15 anyway, he'll be the opening volley in that transition.
DD, do you think they'll sign Scherzer to a monster deal as well, or ride out next year and see what develops?
I was one of the people surprised that they signed Verlander to a long-term deal though, you can never tell with Illitch. I'm thinking Boras is wanting to get the Max stuff settled this offseason though at his peak value, but I think the Tigers would be ill advised to play that game.
You either trade him now or sign him long term.
Breaking up the position players isn't something I'm completely against. Infante is going to be sought after though with this 2B crop being so horrible. If he leaves, Brian Roberts would be interesting, but the other options (Casilla, Kelly Johnson, Punto) are really bad. Re-sign Omar, go from there.
Its an interesting point about what the next few years will bring. I always assumed that once VMart contract is up, they will move Fielder to DH/1B and Cabrera to 1B/DH. And then (hopefully) move Castellanos back to 3B. With the staff they have, I think its possible that the window is more than two years. The Verlander/Sanchez/Porcello/Smyly/Cabrera/Fielder/Jackson/Castellanos/Iglesias core is young. And good.
If you can trade Max now and get a load of prospects, then that would really solidify the core for a number of years. Having said that - I HATE to see Max go.
The Max issue is an interesting one. Even next year - he's going to get a ton in arbitration.
Agree Castellanos needs to be at 3B. Best scenario for him is a LF platoon next year and then play some 3B throughout the season to stay sharp. That's why a Kubel-type guy makes a lot of sense.
igbomb
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That's my reasoning for why Brookens should be considered. It would get him off third base.Yes. And the best part is they would be getting a new hitting coach.Kurkjian just said he was the leading candidate.
That said, Lloyd being a terrible hitting coach doesn't make him an awful manager.
That or go outside the organization and clean house on the existing coaching staff.
whoknew
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Fair point. Maybe the Dodgers? They seem to spend money like its going out of style. They have any prospects? Or how about Texas? They need pitching.
I really just want the Tigers to sign Max forever because he's awesome.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
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guy you know it going to be Gene Lamont running the show next year dont ya
Doctor Detroit
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Some decent names in there, I highlighted a few I like. Rondon is the closer, maybe as soon as next year so to me just getting three or so good arms is the key. I think Veras has to be back, Coke has to be gone and we could do worse than Benoit because he can start as closer then go back to the 8th if Rondon is ready. Then a LOOGY like Mike Gonzalez or Pat Neshak; Jesse Crain, Mujica or Oviedo as a 7th/8th inning guy. Not a bad crop here.
WK>Yeah maybe Texas. Can't see the Dodgers but they are the new Yankees so maybe they would.
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Leroy Hoard
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Too bad Fielder has such a big contract to trade instead of Max, it would open up 1st for Miggy & 3rd for Nick, then a lead off corner OF could be installed.
Leroy Hoard
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I agree that eventually Benoit in the 8th & Rondon in the 9th might work if the rest of the bullpen was upgraded
Limp Ditka
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Glad I bought Altria stock on Friday.
Just think of all the extra time Jim will have to dedicate to his true love, smoking.
Just think of all the extra time Jim will have to dedicate to his true love, smoking.
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tri-man 47
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Yet as mentioned above, after next year (and VMart being gone) they can DH Prince and move Miggy back to 1st. We can dream, can't we, that Prince has now been shamed into ...something?
Doctor Detroit
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Oh, #### no.
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Bogart
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That would solve any and all bullpen problems, right? If you don't use it, it won't fail you.Oh, #### no.
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