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MAC_32
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might be concerned about the luxury tax.
Doctor Detroit
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Ausmus is the new skipper.
Doctor Detroit
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I don't like this hire but of the guys with no managerial experience, Ausmus was the best choice IMO. Dombrowski has trouble with the draft, but outside of that he is a top 3 GM. I'll have to just assume he knows what he's doing here.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Who were your top 2 if you had the pick?
I really did not want Lloyd, Lamont or Baker. I know nothing about Ausmus other than what a great baseball mind he is supposed to have. This is going to be a huge change. Going from an almost 70 year old manager who has been around forever to a 44 year old. Right now where the club is at I like it and think it is a good move. I have no data at all to back up my thoughts though.
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Brady Marino
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A former catcher whose heydays were around the turn of the century, is considered a baseball genius, and has no managerial experience? Ask the Cards how that worked out for them. 
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Eephus
Footballguy
Ausmus was always one of those players who announcers would mention as future managerial material. I saw a lot of Matt Williams and I don't recall similar things said about him.
Ausmus managed to have a long career in spite of being a terrible hitter. But he was still more productive offensively than Mike Matheny.
Ausmus managed to have a long career in spite of being a terrible hitter. But he was still more productive offensively than Mike Matheny.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
And the Cubs fail.......again
Da Guru
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I would have liked Wedge to get an interview at the very least. Never heard his name come up in discussions.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
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what was john farell's experience before taking over boston?
Limp Ditka
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2 years as Toronto's manager (2011-12). Also brought back into an atmosphere where he was familiar with the majority of the Red Sox team due to his time as their pitching coach (2007-10)
Doctor Detroit
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Matheney is the proper comparison, not Farrell.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
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Limp Ditka
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Doctor Detroit
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Just pointing out that Matheny had no managerial experience, was a catcher and was a relative unknown. Same as Ausmus.
Farrell was a pitching coach and managed in Toronto.
Doctor Detroit
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True. Was Ozzie coaching before he got his managerial job? Can't remember, couldn't have been long if so.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
True. Was Ozzie coaching before he got his managerial job? Can't remember, couldn't have been long if so.
Bench for Marlins under McKeonTrue. Was Ozzie coaching before he got his managerial job? Can't remember, couldn't have been long if so.
Doctor Detroit
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I like that Gene Lamont is staying to be the bench coach. That's a guy that has seen everything and a guy Ausmus knows well.
How about Dave Duncan to be the pitching coach?
How about Dave Duncan to be the pitching coach?
Doctor Detroit
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No qualifying offer will be made to Infante. WTF are they planning to do at 2B? Nick Punto? 
Eephus
Footballguy
He's not a $14M playerNo qualifying offer will be made to Infante. WTF are they planning to do at 2B? Nick Punto?
Wooderson
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The Twins used to think Punto was an answer. We were happy to call him one of our piranhas.No qualifying offer will be made to Infante. WTF are they planning to do at 2B? Nick Punto?
Certain teams are just on different levels in MLB.
Doctor Detroit
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You can't put a price on gritty.He's not a $14M playerNo qualifying offer will be made to Infante. WTF are they planning to do at 2B? Nick Punto?
Eephus
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3/$25MYou can't put a price on gritty.He's not a $14M playerNo qualifying offer will be made to Infante. WTF are they planning to do at 2B? Nick Punto?
MAC_32
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MAC_32
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MAC_32
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I'm not sure if they're worried about the luxury tax or if they're going to pool all of their resources together for a guy like Choo.No qualifying offer will be made to Infante. WTF are they planning to do at 2B? Nick Punto?
Doctor Detroit
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If this is putting money aside for Choo, count me in.I'm not sure if they're worried about the luxury tax or if they're going to pool all of their resources together for a guy like Choo.No qualifying offer will be made to Infante. WTF are they planning to do at 2B? Nick Punto?
Leroy Hoard
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I was going to do a Choo-Choo reference but you beat me to the trains.If this is putting money aside for Choo, count me in.I'm not sure if they're worried about the luxury tax or if they're going to pool all of their resources together for a guy like Choo.No qualifying offer will be made to Infante. WTF are they planning to do at 2B? Nick Punto?
Leroy Hoard
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tri-man 47
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True, but our Ferrari has the ability to race to the top ...maybe it takes a smart, young guy to push it hard and see what happens.
Leroy Hoard
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Eephus
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Doctor Detroit
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I said a similar number a couple of months back.3/$25MYou can't put a price on gritty.He's not a $14M playerNo qualifying offer will be made to Infante. WTF are they planning to do at 2B? Nick Punto?
I think I would have made the qualifying offer because he's going to be seeking a 3 or 4 year deal and the tigers could have got comped. This makes me think they're gonna make a trade or two like they did after the 2009 season when they dealt Grandy. I'm not sure they will take on any more significant payroll, maybe somebody like Corey Hart that may not be able to get a long-term deal.
I think they hold Scherzer and deal Porcello. 2B is going to be the biggest need, I don't see Hernan Perez being an every day 2B just yet. Kid is gonna be a terrific fielder and he has wheels, but his hitting is spotty at best. He doesn't walk, K's a ton but there is some extra base power upside. Danny Worth is out of options so he's gonna the IF utility guy, but a Perez/Worth platoon would probably make me ill. A Brian Roberts/Worth platoon would be fine though.
Lots of good bullpen arms out there, I think Benoit may come back or maybe they get Nathan but the ret of the pen is gonna be on the cheap. Some cheap vets and some rule 5 castoffs is fine by me, as long as we get a couple of those right.
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Doctor Detroit
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Yeah, he had a terrific year last year. I think he and Perez give the Tigers two good long-term options, but both are at least a year away...Travis maybe two. We'll see what he does at Erie next year.
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Lloyd to manage the Mariners
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Doctor Detroit
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Offseason moves:
Guys we know will make roster:
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C-Avila
1B-Fielder
SS- Iglesias
3B-Cabrera
LF-Castellanos
CF-AJAX
RF-Hunter
DH-VMART
C-Holiday
2B/SS-Worth (out of options so cut or on team. Seems like a no-brainer to keep)
SP1-JV
SP2-Scherzer
SP3-Dirty
SP4-Fister
SP5-Smyly
RP-Al Al
RP-Rondon
RP-Alvarez
Under contract or retained rights but might not be back
SP Porcello (traded? or arbitration)
SP-Casey Crosby
RP-Luis Marte
RP-Melvin Mercedes
RP-Jose Ortega
RP-Evan Reed
RP-Phil Coke (arbitration)
2B/SS-Hernan Perez
OF-Andy Dirks (arbitration)
2B-Eduardo Suarez
FA likely back in 2014
OF Don Kelly
FA that may or may not return:
Omar Infante
Joquin Benoit
Jhonny
Jeremy Bonderman
Jair Jurrjens
Gone:
Veras, Santiago, Pena, Dotel
Needs:
2B, OF depth, bench depth, relief pitching
Possible targets:
2B: Infante, Brian Roberts, Nick Punto, trade
OF/Depth: Corey Hart, Mike Morse, David Murphy, Raul Ibanez, Nate McClouth, Chris Young, Mark Reynolds, Paul Konerko
RP: Benoit, Joe Nathan, Grant Balfour, Brian Wilson, LaTroy Hawkins, Kevin Gregg, Oliver Perez, Chris Perez, Boone Logan, Ed Mujica, Javier Lopez
Prediction:
I would say that Dirks will be back for depth and Ortega or Mercedes will make the roster, maybe both. Mercedes is a guy that can be dominant, he's a future backend of the bullpen guy and he will be up at times next year. Ortega is still working on mechanics, but has excellent stuff.
So they need three more bullpen arms most likely. One long guy that could be Reed or Smyly if Porcello returns is in-house, then maybe bring back Benoit or bring in Brian Wilson or Ed Mujica. I like those three best because I think Rondon is ready to be the closer next year, and I think any of those other three would be great 8th inning options. If Rondon isn't ready, they can all close for a few months. But I would be SHOCKED if Rondon isn't the closer by August.
This is why I see no reason in bringing in a $10+ million a year closer, or anyone not taking a two year deal or less. Javier Lopez is the guy I would invest in. Lefty who can pitch the 8th if needed, and lights out vs the other teams big bats. Sprinkle in a Latroy Hawkins or Oliver Perez, and you're set. Tigers do have organizational bullpen depth, and a few of the guys are almost ready to join the big club which helps in picking through free agency.
The team lacks bench depth so Corey Hart would be nice to have as the LF in 2014. Castellanos still seems to need more seasoning, but batting 7th in this lineup is a good way to grow. Peralta could be brought back, or they could go the way of Mike Morse or Raul Ibanez to play some in LF and hit off the bench. Chris Young would be nice also, good fielding OF and a guy with power and speed. McClouth walks a lot and steals, he could be a platoon guy with Castellanos but I think he goes back to Baltimore.
The Tigers biggest issue is in MLB you need to develop bench depth. They have great MIF prospects, a few good lower level OF prospects and a lot of ####. Toledo is filled with retreads and future retreads and Erie had very little talent this year. I like Daniel Fields, he could maybe win a bench spot with a good spring but he's probably still a year away.
2B is the big need obviously. Perez and Worth would be fill, but Worth is a bench player and utility guy and Perez is simply not ready to be an everyday player. So IMO if you like Perez enough, take a flyer on Brian Roberts to leadoff and play 2B and hope you get 100 games out of him. Trading Castellanos for Brandon Phillips should not be considered, but trading Porcello and a prospect for Brandon Phillips would be fine. Not sure I see Phillips wearing the old English D, but stranger things have happened.
Infante is going to get a 3/27 deal or something, and he's worth that. But why bring him back when you have Perez a year away at worst, Suarez and Devon Travis. It's funny because the Tigers 2nd deepest organizational position (behind 3B) is 2B, but we don't have an every day big league 2Bman!!!
The only big $$$ name FA I like out there is Choo, who is everything we need. Great fielder, walks a ton, hots for power and leads off. I'd have no issue with Perez at 2B if we had Choo in RF. I can dream, I can dream.
Guys we know will make roster:
(17)
C-Avila
1B-Fielder
SS- Iglesias
3B-Cabrera
LF-Castellanos
CF-AJAX
RF-Hunter
DH-VMART
C-Holiday
2B/SS-Worth (out of options so cut or on team. Seems like a no-brainer to keep)
SP1-JV
SP2-Scherzer
SP3-Dirty
SP4-Fister
SP5-Smyly
RP-Al Al
RP-Rondon
RP-Alvarez
Under contract or retained rights but might not be back
SP Porcello (traded? or arbitration)
SP-Casey Crosby
RP-Luis Marte
RP-Melvin Mercedes
RP-Jose Ortega
RP-Evan Reed
RP-Phil Coke (arbitration)
2B/SS-Hernan Perez
OF-Andy Dirks (arbitration)
2B-Eduardo Suarez
FA likely back in 2014
OF Don Kelly
FA that may or may not return:
Omar Infante
Joquin Benoit
Jhonny
Jeremy Bonderman
Jair Jurrjens
Gone:
Veras, Santiago, Pena, Dotel
Needs:
2B, OF depth, bench depth, relief pitching
Possible targets:
2B: Infante, Brian Roberts, Nick Punto, trade
OF/Depth: Corey Hart, Mike Morse, David Murphy, Raul Ibanez, Nate McClouth, Chris Young, Mark Reynolds, Paul Konerko
RP: Benoit, Joe Nathan, Grant Balfour, Brian Wilson, LaTroy Hawkins, Kevin Gregg, Oliver Perez, Chris Perez, Boone Logan, Ed Mujica, Javier Lopez
Prediction:
I would say that Dirks will be back for depth and Ortega or Mercedes will make the roster, maybe both. Mercedes is a guy that can be dominant, he's a future backend of the bullpen guy and he will be up at times next year. Ortega is still working on mechanics, but has excellent stuff.
So they need three more bullpen arms most likely. One long guy that could be Reed or Smyly if Porcello returns is in-house, then maybe bring back Benoit or bring in Brian Wilson or Ed Mujica. I like those three best because I think Rondon is ready to be the closer next year, and I think any of those other three would be great 8th inning options. If Rondon isn't ready, they can all close for a few months. But I would be SHOCKED if Rondon isn't the closer by August.
This is why I see no reason in bringing in a $10+ million a year closer, or anyone not taking a two year deal or less. Javier Lopez is the guy I would invest in. Lefty who can pitch the 8th if needed, and lights out vs the other teams big bats. Sprinkle in a Latroy Hawkins or Oliver Perez, and you're set. Tigers do have organizational bullpen depth, and a few of the guys are almost ready to join the big club which helps in picking through free agency.
The team lacks bench depth so Corey Hart would be nice to have as the LF in 2014. Castellanos still seems to need more seasoning, but batting 7th in this lineup is a good way to grow. Peralta could be brought back, or they could go the way of Mike Morse or Raul Ibanez to play some in LF and hit off the bench. Chris Young would be nice also, good fielding OF and a guy with power and speed. McClouth walks a lot and steals, he could be a platoon guy with Castellanos but I think he goes back to Baltimore.
The Tigers biggest issue is in MLB you need to develop bench depth. They have great MIF prospects, a few good lower level OF prospects and a lot of ####. Toledo is filled with retreads and future retreads and Erie had very little talent this year. I like Daniel Fields, he could maybe win a bench spot with a good spring but he's probably still a year away.
2B is the big need obviously. Perez and Worth would be fill, but Worth is a bench player and utility guy and Perez is simply not ready to be an everyday player. So IMO if you like Perez enough, take a flyer on Brian Roberts to leadoff and play 2B and hope you get 100 games out of him. Trading Castellanos for Brandon Phillips should not be considered, but trading Porcello and a prospect for Brandon Phillips would be fine. Not sure I see Phillips wearing the old English D, but stranger things have happened.
Infante is going to get a 3/27 deal or something, and he's worth that. But why bring him back when you have Perez a year away at worst, Suarez and Devon Travis. It's funny because the Tigers 2nd deepest organizational position (behind 3B) is 2B, but we don't have an every day big league 2Bman!!!
The only big $$$ name FA I like out there is Choo, who is everything we need. Great fielder, walks a ton, hots for power and leads off. I'd have no issue with Perez at 2B if we had Choo in RF. I can dream, I can dream.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Can we have both Choo & Infante or is that asking too much in terms of contracts/money?
MAC_32
Footballguy
too much, infante is gone.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Thanks for the thorough review, DD.
If Perez continues to develop, it could be fun watching him and Iglesias in years to come. I'm hoping Ajax comes back strong. Wasn't this past year his first with a retooled batting stance? An off-season and then spring training could lead to good improvement next year. He's in that 'sweet spot' age-wise. Speaking of age, I have high hopes for Smyly and still some good hope for Porcello, who's not that old.
If Perez continues to develop, it could be fun watching him and Iglesias in years to come. I'm hoping Ajax comes back strong. Wasn't this past year his first with a retooled batting stance? An off-season and then spring training could lead to good improvement next year. He's in that 'sweet spot' age-wise. Speaking of age, I have high hopes for Smyly and still some good hope for Porcello, who's not that old.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see who the new batting coach is, maybe he can help Jackson stay on track.
Doctor Detroit
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It seems like if they are going to spend to fill holes, closer may be the position they are most likely to throw money at. I am also now suspecting we might see a trade for a LFer or 2Bman, but we'll see. Theoretically Castellanos will move to 3B in 2015 when VMart leaves, so having him dedicated to LF this year is not necessarily a slam dunk.
Balfour's a super intense dude, VMart can appreciate that and Im not all that sure it makes a difference after the game. Look at hockey, guys who are known to throw down with each other on the ice drink beers and chase tail together off the ice.
Leroy Hoard
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