I remember when Dwayne Jarrett was coming out of school many people had him as a close #2 to Calvin Johnson. Some even had him at #1..... But that time is long gone and he just doesn't seem to have what it takes mentally or in terms of physical talent (read speed/burst) to make it. I really like Mike Wallace and disagree with those who are tying to shoehorn him into a 'Devery Henderson' type WR. He has tremendous speed and runs crisp routes and also catches consistently. He is only missing consistent targets in the PIT offense. Buy him super cheap and hold him a couple years - I think you will be pleased when he emerges as a starter in the Steel City.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
I'm gonna make 2-3 moves here before championship week and I'm wondering what has been the deal with Deon Butler and Justin Forsett in Seattle? Why has Butler not seen more action? Figured I'd have seen Forsett mentioned in here, why hasn't he (not worth rostering)?
fwiw, the guys I'm looking at on my wire are:
Deon Butler
James Jones
Jordy Nelson
Jacoby Jones
Jared Cook
Aaron Curry
Michael Bush
Chad Henne
Louis Murphy
Also, what do you guys think of Kevin Kolb going forward? Wasted roster spot, even on a team with garbage QBs?
fwiw, the guys I'm looking at on my wire are:
Deon Butler
James Jones
Jordy Nelson
Jacoby Jones
Jared Cook
Aaron Curry
Michael Bush
Chad Henne
Louis Murphy
Also, what do you guys think of Kevin Kolb going forward? Wasted roster spot, even on a team with garbage QBs?
Go pick up James Jones and Michael Bush. Now.I'm gonna make 2-3 moves here before championship week and I'm wondering what has been the deal with Deon Butler and Justin Forsett in Seattle? Why has Butler not seen more action? Figured I'd have seen Forsett mentioned in here, why hasn't he (not worth rostering)?fwiw, the guys I'm looking at on my wire areeon ButlerJames JonesJordy NelsonJacoby JonesJared Cook Aaron Curry Michael Bush Chad Henne Louis Murphy Also, what do you guys think of Kevin Kolb going forward? Wasted roster spot, even on a team with garbage QBs?
mikel2014
Footballguy
Forsett is widely owned. In most dynasty leagues, he's been gone for 2-3 months. Butler will be getting more opportunity in the next few weeks with Burleson having a high ankle sprain. He's most likely out the remainder of the year. Butler got 6 targets each of the last two weeks. He and James Jones are my two favorite WRs in that group. Jared Cook has a ton of potential and I also like Henne. Henne has shown a lot of promise leading the Dolphins. It really depends on your team for whether to grab a QB (Henne) RB (Bush) WR (Butler/Murphy) or TE (Jared Cook), but definitely grab James Jones.I'm gonna make 2-3 moves here before championship week and I'm wondering what has been the deal with Deon Butler and Justin Forsett in Seattle? Why has Butler not seen more action? Figured I'd have seen Forsett mentioned in here, why hasn't he (not worth rostering)?fwiw, the guys I'm looking at on my wire are
lyon812
Footballguy
Gibson's a rookie who changed teams halfway through the season and went to a horrible team with a revolving door at QB (Bulger, Boller, Null). He's in a different category from the rest. Doucet's moved ahead of Urban, is already seeing targets in AZ, and might wind up in the Breaston position if Boldin moves on. I've seen nothing to disappoint me. The downside is if he doesn't get significant PT until Warner's gone.Don't like Jarrett at all. I hear Aroma always looks good in preseason and camp, but I haven't personally watched him. There's certainly opportunity there since Bennett is uninspiring, but how many targets will there really be to go around?
Frank Costanza's Lawyer
Footballguy
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Yeah let me clarify on Forsett. I have owned him for a month or two and still do. This thread was mostly based around trading though (with some waiver wire mixed in) so I thought I'd have seen his name more throughout as someone to maybe aquire. I was trying to poke at whether or not people think he's the future in Seattle or if he's wasting a spot on my roster that Butler or Cook could occupy.I did grab James Jones and Mike Bush while releasing Lou Murphy and Steve Cooper. I'd like to get Butler and Cook but I just can't justify dropping Lance Moore, Forsett or Kolb (my other QBs are Hasselbeck and Campbell...uggh).Forsett is widely owned. In most dynasty leagues, he's been gone for 2-3 months. Butler will be getting more opportunity in the next few weeks with Burleson having a high ankle sprain. He's most likely out the remainder of the year. Butler got 6 targets each of the last two weeks. He and James Jones are my two favorite WRs in that group. Jared Cook has a ton of potential and I also like Henne. Henne has shown a lot of promise leading the Dolphins. It really depends on your team for whether to grab a QB (Henne) RB (Bush) WR (Butler/Murphy) or TE (Jared Cook), but definitely grab James Jones.I'm gonna make 2-3 moves here before championship week and I'm wondering what has been the deal with Deon Butler and Justin Forsett in Seattle? Why has Butler not seen more action? Figured I'd have seen Forsett mentioned in here, why hasn't he (not worth rostering)?fwiw, the guys I'm looking at on my wire are
Riffraff
Footballguy
Only a matter of time before Demetrius is injured yet again. Baltimore wil probably bring someone in during the off-season to replace Mason (and start besides Clayton).
Got Jones!Would you drop Hester to pick up Jordy?He was a high 2nd rd pick last year and has nice size (6'3 217) and is on a more explosive offense with a proven QB in place.My only concern with GB is that you have so many good targets - Driver, Jennings, Jones, Finley, Nelson. Are there enough balls to go around?
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Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
I don't play IDP but every offensive guy on you list with the execption on maybe Bell and Leinart are on 90% of the rosters
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
Adrain Foster
Brandon Gibson
Sammie Stroughter
Kahlil Bell
Lex Hilliard
Zack Miller (Jax)
James Casey
Harry Douglas
Matt Moore
Kevin Kolb
Brandon Gibson
Sammie Stroughter
Kahlil Bell
Lex Hilliard
Zack Miller (Jax)
James Casey
Harry Douglas
Matt Moore
Kevin Kolb
SSOG
Moderator
DROPPING him for Jordy? No way. First off, even if I don't think he'll be a big-time dynasty asset like some do, I've been known to be wrong before (shocking, yes, but it has happened... once or twice). Second off, even if you're absolutely convinced that Jordy Nelson is a more valuable asset than Leon Washington (and I certainly don't think so), then you'd be better off trading Washington for whatever you could get for him. Heck, if all else fails, I'm sure there's someone in your league that would give you a rookie 3rd rounder for him at the very least. 3rd rounders are junk, but it beats letting him go for absolutely nothing.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
every one of them except michael mitchell is rostered in my leagues
footballsavvy
Footballguy
I agree. Players like Jordy are easy to come by. You can get guys with his potential as throw-ins on bigger trades. If you don't want Leon trade him for Jordy plus a draft pick. Still, I'd caution against too high of expectations with Jordy. Even if Driver leaves (which I'm convinced he will hang around just like Hines Ward) you now have one of the most talented TEs in the league suddenly becoming Green Bay's primary target monster. That puts Jennings at #2 in targets (or at least 1B) and then you still have to ask yourself if Jordy beats out James Jones for #3 in targets. My money is still on Jones. Regardless, I think its a moot point with Driver still playing well and the emergence of Jermichael.
footballsavvy
Footballguy
Writing is all over the wall for Chaz Schillens. Injury + QB woes made him all but dissapear off the radar. Now is the cheapest you will be able to get him. Also, while I'm on this line of thought.... go get Zack Miller from whoever owns him. While I realize that Miller is no secret, even the most savvy fantasy owners will have his value somewhat reduced at this point.
footballsavvy
Footballguy
Another guy I just traded for and got pretty cheap is Braylon Edwards. He has the physical ability and the skills to be a stud. His situation was about as bad as it could possibly be this year. With an entire year to learn the playbook/system and develop chemistry with Sanchez there's no reason he will not lead in targets next year (for the Jets). Sanchez will most surely only get better over the next couple of years. Braylon is still very young. He has the physical ability to own his opponents. All he needs is fine tuning on his routes and consistency with his catching (I think his 2008 drops were an anomoly as he previously had pretty good hands). Remember prior to the start of last season Jerry Rice raved about Braylon calling him the most talented receiver in the NFL. Of course all of this speculation is a little easier with Braylon since he has acutally been a stud before... and it most definately was not the product of a "system".
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footballsavvy
Footballguy
Kind of the opposite of the topic of this forum, but still it seems relevant. I'm trying to sell high on Benson, Shonn Green and Meachem. Here's why:
Benson - Needs 30+ carries to put up big yards. He gets no receiveing yards and little to no receptions. If you are in a PPR league he isn't worht much more than a flex player. Additionally, I think theres a solid chanec that they platoon him next year with Bernard Scott. Which reminds me - my verdict is still out on Scott. Will there ever be a point in time where he gets anywhere near a full load in CIN? I'll probably hang on to him just in case.
Shonn Green: Coach jokes about his pathetic hands. He's a grinder, though probably a good one. Best case scenario is Michael Turner... but even that I think is a long shot. Jets are committed to the committee and Shonn Greeen is definately no threat to be an every down back. He's good insurance behind your RB1 and RB2 - perhaps a bye week fill in. However, at this point other owners in your league might be tempted to buy into him as "The Jets RB of the future" and pay more than what his real value should be.
Robert Meachem: It's not that I don't like Meachem. I am on the fence about weather or not to trade him. The only reason I am tempted is because of his 7 Td's in the last 8 games stat line. He will be talked about a lot in the off season due to his mid to late season emergence. If he has a few big plays in the playoffs this will only solidify his inflated value. Why do I think his value is inflated? It's because of the system, not his skill. As long as Sean Payton is in control of play calling you can not rely on the Saints receivers. Look no further than last week's game for evidence of this. Payton started the game with a 2 receiver set with Meachem and Henderson on the field (ie no Colston). The week before last Meachem was only on the field for a couple of plays the entire first half. Payton is a brilliant, unpredicatble play caller. He will exploit matchups weekly and it may or may not be to the benefit of your fantasy player. This doesn't mean that Meachem has no value - it just means that his value right now is higher than it should be. If the Saints potent offense stutters at all in the follwoing years it will not be able to support both Meachem and Colston as fantasy starters (and don't forget about Shockey taking targets... and Lance Moore being worked in when healthy.... oh yea, and Henderson on his fresh 4 yr contract).
Benson - Needs 30+ carries to put up big yards. He gets no receiveing yards and little to no receptions. If you are in a PPR league he isn't worht much more than a flex player. Additionally, I think theres a solid chanec that they platoon him next year with Bernard Scott. Which reminds me - my verdict is still out on Scott. Will there ever be a point in time where he gets anywhere near a full load in CIN? I'll probably hang on to him just in case.
Shonn Green: Coach jokes about his pathetic hands. He's a grinder, though probably a good one. Best case scenario is Michael Turner... but even that I think is a long shot. Jets are committed to the committee and Shonn Greeen is definately no threat to be an every down back. He's good insurance behind your RB1 and RB2 - perhaps a bye week fill in. However, at this point other owners in your league might be tempted to buy into him as "The Jets RB of the future" and pay more than what his real value should be.
Robert Meachem: It's not that I don't like Meachem. I am on the fence about weather or not to trade him. The only reason I am tempted is because of his 7 Td's in the last 8 games stat line. He will be talked about a lot in the off season due to his mid to late season emergence. If he has a few big plays in the playoffs this will only solidify his inflated value. Why do I think his value is inflated? It's because of the system, not his skill. As long as Sean Payton is in control of play calling you can not rely on the Saints receivers. Look no further than last week's game for evidence of this. Payton started the game with a 2 receiver set with Meachem and Henderson on the field (ie no Colston). The week before last Meachem was only on the field for a couple of plays the entire first half. Payton is a brilliant, unpredicatble play caller. He will exploit matchups weekly and it may or may not be to the benefit of your fantasy player. This doesn't mean that Meachem has no value - it just means that his value right now is higher than it should be. If the Saints potent offense stutters at all in the follwoing years it will not be able to support both Meachem and Colston as fantasy starters (and don't forget about Shockey taking targets... and Lance Moore being worked in when healthy.... oh yea, and Henderson on his fresh 4 yr contract).
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Trade for Felix Jones. He'll be an every day starter sometime soon and he's already in a 60/40 split with Barber. His value will probably never be this low again.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
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footballsavvy
Footballguy
The guy has made some of the most miraculous grabs I have ever seen by a receiver. I'm talking about balls that most guys would barely have even touched, much less hauled in. I think he just gets complacent on the easy catches and loses focus... trying to run before he secures the ball, yadaydada...I'm just saying, his value is relatively low right now. He's got size, ability, an up and coming QB, a good complimentary receiver and TE to keep doulbe coverages minimal. The writing is on the wall for Braylon to return to WR1 status sooner rather than later. There aren't that many players in the league who have unusual circumstances masking their probable future value. When they present themselves its important not to miss out on them. The owners that know when to pounce are the owners that end up with those ridiculously gaudy rosters in dynasty leagues.
az_prof
Footballguy
Footballsavy, I agree with you about Benson being a good Sell High; not sure about Greene--usually young, highly drafted backs will be worth more if you wait until they get to start a few games.
But I disagree about Meachem and here is why. First, it is true that the system he is in has helped him this year and so has Brees, but beyond that he has proven real, elite talent. On the one hand there is a lot of competition for looks, but on the other, that offense is built to throw and has the QB to make it run--and Brees is still pretty young.
About Moore--I am pretty sure he is a FA and I will be surprised if he stays. Even if he does, Meachem has shown he can run the short routes and the side line routes like Moore, but he has greater height and leaping so he is a better EZ target. Those 9 TDs are not an accident--he is the best EZ target of the WRs on the team. While TDs can be hard to predict I think it is reasonable to expect him to continue to be involved heavily in the Red Zone.
This year he was the third WR but given his productivity he will eclipse Henderson next year and will get at least the second most looks on the team. Consider his efficiency with his looks this year--something that the HC, OC, and QB will no doubt notice. His catch % is 78%, best of the team's receivers. His yard/target (measure of how much he does with the targets he gets) is unbelievable: 12.9 yards/target. His TD efficiency: 100 %--everytime Brees has looked at him in the end zone he has delivered. Both he and Henderson have 8 EZ targets, but Henderson has only converted 2 and Meachem has converted all 8.
So, the question you have to ask yourself is will the team find a way to get him more involved in the offense next year? I would have to say yes. Since Week 9 he has 42 targets, an average of 5. 2/game. I see no reason why he wouldn't continue to get that many next year, which would be 83 targets (comparable to Henderson). The only difference is that I expect Meachem to continue to score more than Henderson and to do more with his targets. Even if his efficiency declines he still figures to be a WR2 next year.
Next year's prediction: 60 catches for 1000 yards and 10 TDs
But I disagree about Meachem and here is why. First, it is true that the system he is in has helped him this year and so has Brees, but beyond that he has proven real, elite talent. On the one hand there is a lot of competition for looks, but on the other, that offense is built to throw and has the QB to make it run--and Brees is still pretty young.
About Moore--I am pretty sure he is a FA and I will be surprised if he stays. Even if he does, Meachem has shown he can run the short routes and the side line routes like Moore, but he has greater height and leaping so he is a better EZ target. Those 9 TDs are not an accident--he is the best EZ target of the WRs on the team. While TDs can be hard to predict I think it is reasonable to expect him to continue to be involved heavily in the Red Zone.
This year he was the third WR but given his productivity he will eclipse Henderson next year and will get at least the second most looks on the team. Consider his efficiency with his looks this year--something that the HC, OC, and QB will no doubt notice. His catch % is 78%, best of the team's receivers. His yard/target (measure of how much he does with the targets he gets) is unbelievable: 12.9 yards/target. His TD efficiency: 100 %--everytime Brees has looked at him in the end zone he has delivered. Both he and Henderson have 8 EZ targets, but Henderson has only converted 2 and Meachem has converted all 8.
So, the question you have to ask yourself is will the team find a way to get him more involved in the offense next year? I would have to say yes. Since Week 9 he has 42 targets, an average of 5. 2/game. I see no reason why he wouldn't continue to get that many next year, which would be 83 targets (comparable to Henderson). The only difference is that I expect Meachem to continue to score more than Henderson and to do more with his targets. Even if his efficiency declines he still figures to be a WR2 next year.
Next year's prediction: 60 catches for 1000 yards and 10 TDs
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az_prof
Footballguy
Edwards just does not consistently catch the ball. Everyone said the problem was Cleveland but he hasn't done any better in NY.The guy has made some of the most miraculous grabs I have ever seen by a receiver. I'm talking about balls that most guys would barely have even touched, much less hauled in. I think he just gets complacent on the easy catches and loses focus... trying to run before he secures the ball, yadaydada...I'm just saying, his value is relatively low right now. He's got size, ability, an up and coming QB, a good complimentary receiver and TE to keep doulbe coverages minimal. The writing is on the wall for Braylon to return to WR1 status sooner rather than later. There aren't that many players in the league who have unusual circumstances masking their probable future value. When they present themselves its important not to miss out on them. The owners that know when to pounce are the owners that end up with those ridiculously gaudy rosters in dynasty leagues.
az_prof
Footballguy
If Oakland even marginally improves the QB play next year both these guys will be good--Miller is a top 8 TE and Shillenz a top 20 in PPR or top 30 in standard leagues. My gut feeling is that Oakland will get Vick though, and that should be ok for Miller but will mean fewer throws in general, which won't help Shillenz a lot.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Edwards just does not consistently catch the ball. Everyone said the problem was Cleveland but he hasn't done any better in NY.The guy has made some of the most miraculous grabs I have ever seen by a receiver. I'm talking about balls that most guys would barely have even touched, much less hauled in. I think he just gets complacent on the easy catches and loses focus... trying to run before he secures the ball, yadaydada...I'm just saying, his value is relatively low right now. He's got size, ability, an up and coming QB, a good complimentary receiver and TE to keep doulbe coverages minimal. The writing is on the wall for Braylon to return to WR1 status sooner rather than later. There aren't that many players in the league who have unusual circumstances masking their probable future value. When they present themselves its important not to miss out on them. The owners that know when to pounce are the owners that end up with those ridiculously gaudy rosters in dynasty leagues.
Always has had bad hands.BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
Do you mean overall or WR? I don't think you mean overall so if you're referring to his rank within WRs, I'd think he'd rank higher in a standard vs a PPR league. I see him more as a TD threat vs a reception leader.
rowdywalker
Footballguy
A guy I am looking at is James Hardy. Is he Meachem or is he Jarrett? I dont know but he will be cheap to get and is probably worth the risk
SSOG
Moderator
Driver's actually a year older than Ward (34.6 vs. 33.5 at the beginning of the season). A better comparison would be Derrick Mason, who initially retired in the offseason, but then changed his mind and came back to have a very good season despite being 35.6 to begin the year (same age Driver will be).
Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
Some like him, some don't. I don't have to worry because I picked him up off wivers in my first year dynasty league. No WR on the Bears right now is very inspiring and now that Cutler and DA have a little chemistry going I think Aromashodu could develop into a good WR for the Bears next year. Not sold on Hester or Bennett as #1 receivers for their team. Bears may look to try and get a #1 type receiver but I think they'll be happy if they work with Aromashodu. He could end up beingthe best Bears receiver next year.There has been a lot of good suggestions so far in the thread on players you might want to target and try to obtain. Here are a couple more that are worth consideration.QB- Chad Henne, Alex Smith, Matt MooreRB- Jerome Harrison, Justin Forsett, Javon RingerWR- Mike Wallace, Kenny Britt, M.Massaqoui, Josh MorganWFR said:
FUBAR
Footballguy
perhaps, but Miami or Jacksonville could use him.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Good topic 
