T Bell
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In fairness, I thought the Cal Ripken celebration for breaking Ty Cobb's consecutive games record was way overblown. Even he looked uncomfortable. A victory lap?
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Smack Tripper
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I missed the outrage over the Ripken and Gwynn retirement patches.
B-Deep
Footballguy
i hate cal ripkenIn fairness, I thought the Cal Ripken celebration for breaking Ty Cobb's consecutive games record was way overblown. Even he looked uncomfortable. A victory lap?
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Pete Rose breaking Lou Gehrig's hits record was pretty overblown too.In fairness, I thought the Cal Ripken celebration for breaking Ty Cobb's consecutive games record was way overblown. Even he looked uncomfortable. A victory lap?
T Bell
Footballguy
Pete Rose breaking Lou Gehrig's hits record was pretty overblown too.In fairness, I thought the Cal Ripken celebration for breaking Ty Cobb's consecutive games record was way overblown. Even he looked uncomfortable. A victory lap?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I agree with the premise but you could not possibly have picked three worse examples. LeBron James played in the last four NBA Finals and won two- whatever team he chooses immediately becomes a contender. His free agency decision is so huge because it is the single most important off the field event in American sports when it comes to impact on the field. He may "transcend the sport," but the media attention is mostly about impact on the sport. And Manning and Woods aren't far behind- Manning immediately made his team a contender as well- two playoff runs, two top seeds in the conference, one Super Bowl appearance. Woods is maybe a step behind this guys, but he was still the PGA Tour player of the year in 2013 and if he's healthy he'll easily be in the top 5 favorites at the majors next year according to the books.It really bothers you that teams are honoring Derek Jeter?datonn said:T Bell said::i'mmakingajerkingoffmotionjustforyou,justlikethoseteamsare:Michael Brown said:Oh, so you're telling me the rest of the baseball world isn't talking about Jeter right now? Ok guy.T Bell said:I was being sarcasticEVERYBODY is talking about Jeter right now...because the national media won't stop talking about it. I turned on ESPN during lunch, and there was Derek Jeter. I flipped over to ESPN2...and it's Stephen A. Smith and his cohorts talking about?! You guessed it. So I flipped over to ESPN News...and it's a replay of SVP and Russillo. And I suppose to their credit, they weren't talking about Jeter directly. They were talking about Keith Olbermann's comments ABOUT Jeter.
It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.
The fact that you're being sarcastic is precisely why people hate how NY-focused the networks are. You live there and you don't have any conception of how little the rest of us think about Jeter, the Yankees or any of that. Thanks for reinforcing the point.
Generally speaking, I know people don't give two ####s about the Yankees. But to pretend like EVERY SINGLE TEAM isn't giving him pregame ceremonies and gifts and EVERY SINGLE STADIUM isn't giving him standing ovations when you can see it plainly with your own two eyes, is kind of ridiculous. I mean it's not an opinion dude...these things are happening. They're facts. Sorry if that bothers you.
In fairness, Michael Brown is stating facts. Problem is, what percentage of American sports fans are attending said games? What percentage of fans in the stands are just standing up and clapping because everybody stands and claps when a few people start that type of thing (it's polite)? What percentage of fans in the stands had any idea they were going to be forced to waste minutes of their life watching the Derek Jeter farewell tour...probably orchestrated in large-part by the Commissioner's Office? Or if not orchestrated by the Commissioner's Office, what percentage of teams put a little something together because other teams put a little something together (also see: standing ovations)?!
Those facts don't matter. Because ESPN, or Fox Sports, or ??? shows him that baseball fans across the country are supposedly acting as if Derek Jeter is The Beatles, making their American debut on the Ed Sullivan Show. Who gives a rat's ### about teams that are actually in the playoffs or are fighting for a playoff position? Who cares about the NFL regular season, NHL pre-season, NBA pre-season, college football, et al? One of the greatest New York Yankees in the history of the franchise (certainly in the past 10-15 years) is days away from his last day in pinstripes...so STOP THE PRESSES and do your hero worship right! Only wishing your teams, their history, their players, were as awesome as his.
It has very little to do with him playing in NYC (other than the World Series wins having helped to shape his legacy) - certain athletes just transcend their sport and are going to be covered disproportionately.
Why was LeBron James' free agency so heavily scrutinized and covered?
If Peyton Manning announces after this season, that next season will be his last, do you think that's the last time all season that you'll hear about it?
Why does NBC/CBS spend so much time showing Tiger Woods on Sundays, even now when he's no longer really in contention is some of those events?
It's really not all that difficult to figure out.
Jeter isn't even in their galaxy. He's an awful, awful baseball player at this juncture. Maybe the worst full-time starter in the league.
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^ This. Swap-out another 20-25 teams for Kansas City, and it'd be the same thing.
And that's the point several people in this thread are missing. It's not "Derek Jeter hate" or hate for the Yankees. It's hate for the fact that media networks keep cramming "America's teams" down the rest of our throats. The Yankees. The Patriots, Packers (gawd) and Cowboys...before Jerry Jones ruined the franchise. i.e. Do folks outside Bristol, CT even realize that 80-90% of the country couldn't give two-####s about the Yankees? Patriots? Rex Ryan? "Big Papi?" It'd be like if you have cable TV, and you turn on your TV at 8-9pm, and your only viewing options are:
- American Idol
- The Voice
- 88 other ####ty shows that are basically knock-offs of the above
You'd like to enjoy a couple hours of TV and chillax before calling it a night...but you're tired of having #### crammed down your throat. But lots of good shows, indie networks, etc. don't generate the ad revenues of the ####ty monsters, aren't even offered in your cable company's packages! So you either drink some Pepto and try not to lose your dinner being force-fed ####, or you turn off the TV and find other stuff to do.
That's what's frustrating. Jeter seems like a good guy...has the "quants" and rings to walk just about any talk for the HoF! But how long has it been since he's been even in the top 25 MLB players out there? Where will his Yankees be playing this October when the playoffs open-up? Why should fans in the Upper Midwest, Texas, Pacific Northwest (et al) care? Give him his props/respect and honor him in 2019. Just stop pretending that Jesus Christ is leaving Earth and ascending into heaven. Please?
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TobiasFunke
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Let's not get carried away with the idea that he's taking attention from some other worthy narrative. This is the boring-est last week of the season in recent memory. Four of the division races are already over- three have been over for a while. We know all ten playoff teams. The only thing that's left to be decided is which midwest teams advance directly to the division series and which have to play in the wild card game. Not exactly the kind of stuff that demands national headlines on a daily basis.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
He was 7th in MVP voting in 2012. He got hurt the end of that season, missed almost all of 2013, and has been bad this year for the first time ever. So let's not pretend like the guy has been on his last legs for a decade. He's been bad this year, no doubt. But not before then.
Anyway, I cared about Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripken, George Brett, Kirby Puckett, etc, etc, etc. If you don't like the Jeter stuff, that's cool. But to act like NOBODY else cares about it just because you don't, is wrong. I hate ESPN as much as anyone, but fans aren't watching Jeter just because ESPN is force-feeding it. Plenty of people are coming out to see him in those cities, as evidenced by attendance and TV ratings and HEARING CHEERS in the stands when he's up at bat.
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
I'm not much of a baseball guy, but isn't this sort of baseball's thing, the history of the sport being sacred and all?In fairness, I thought the Cal Ripken celebration for breaking Ty Cobb's consecutive games record was way overblown. Even he looked uncomfortable. A victory lap?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Bit of a chicken-and-egg problem here, though. I'm mostly in agreement with you and this whole thing doesn't really bother me that much, I think it's funny more than anything else. But there's no way the fans would react the way they do to him if he wasn't deified by the media and wearing the pinstripes. We have conclusive evidence of that - Chipper Jones was a better ballplayer by pretty much every measure and he also announced his retirement and was given silly gifts everywhere he went and nobody cheered him outside of Atlanta or made silly, cheesy commercials about him or spent the last week of the regular season talking about him. Why not? I guess partially because he's a huge #######, but also because the media didn't create a ridiculous narrative about him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The point wasn't how good he currently is now. People aren't paying tribute to his 2014 season?I agree with the premise but you could not possibly have picked three worse examples. LeBron James played in the last four NBA Finals and won two- whatever team he chooses immediately becomes a contender. His free agency decision is so huge because it is the single most important off the field event in American sports when it comes to impact on the field. He may "transcend the sport," but the media attention is mostly about impact on the sport. And Manning and Woods aren't far behind- Manning immediately made his team a contender as well- two playoff runs, two top seeds in the conference, one Super Bowl appearance. Woods is maybe a step behind this guys, but he was still the PGA Tour player of the year in 2013 and if he's healthy he'll easily be in the top 5 favorites at the majors next year according to the books.It really bothers you that teams are honoring Derek Jeter?datonn said:T Bell said::i'mmakingajerkingoffmotionjustforyou,justlikethoseteamsare:Michael Brown said:Oh, so you're telling me the rest of the baseball world isn't talking about Jeter right now? Ok guy.T Bell said:I was being sarcastic
It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.
The fact that you're being sarcastic is precisely why people hate how NY-focused the networks are. You live there and you don't have any conception of how little the rest of us think about Jeter, the Yankees or any of that. Thanks for reinforcing the point.
Generally speaking, I know people don't give two ####s about the Yankees. But to pretend like EVERY SINGLE TEAM isn't giving him pregame ceremonies and gifts and EVERY SINGLE STADIUM isn't giving him standing ovations when you can see it plainly with your own two eyes, is kind of ridiculous. I mean it's not an opinion dude...these things are happening. They're facts. Sorry if that bothers you.
In fairness, Michael Brown is stating facts. Problem is, what percentage of American sports fans are attending said games? What percentage of fans in the stands are just standing up and clapping because everybody stands and claps when a few people start that type of thing (it's polite)? What percentage of fans in the stands had any idea they were going to be forced to waste minutes of their life watching the Derek Jeter farewell tour...probably orchestrated in large-part by the Commissioner's Office? Or if not orchestrated by the Commissioner's Office, what percentage of teams put a little something together because other teams put a little something together (also see: standing ovations)?!
Those facts don't matter. Because ESPN, or Fox Sports, or ??? shows him that baseball fans across the country are supposedly acting as if Derek Jeter is The Beatles, making their American debut on the Ed Sullivan Show. Who gives a rat's ### about teams that are actually in the playoffs or are fighting for a playoff position? Who cares about the NFL regular season, NHL pre-season, NBA pre-season, college football, et al? One of the greatest New York Yankees in the history of the franchise (certainly in the past 10-15 years) is days away from his last day in pinstripes...so STOP THE PRESSES and do your hero worship right! Only wishing your teams, their history, their players, were as awesome as his.
It has very little to do with him playing in NYC (other than the World Series wins having helped to shape his legacy) - certain athletes just transcend their sport and are going to be covered disproportionately.
Why was LeBron James' free agency so heavily scrutinized and covered?
If Peyton Manning announces after this season, that next season will be his last, do you think that's the last time all season that you'll hear about it?
Why does NBC/CBS spend so much time showing Tiger Woods on Sundays, even now when he's no longer really in contention is some of those events?
It's really not all that difficult to figure out.
Jeter isn't even in their galaxy. He's an awful, awful baseball player at this juncture. Maybe the worst full-time starter in the league.
I'm not arguing that even at his best Jeter was as good at baseball, as Lebron at basketball, Manning at football, Woods at golf - but he's every bit as well known as any of them.
Let's say this, Manning comes back in 2015 and is a shell of himself, but still decides he wants to play one more season in 2016 and continues to be average at best - do you see a big deal being made about his retirement during that 2016 season?
Well ESPN wasn't as bad today during my lunch break, to their credit. ESPN was talking about Jeter for 5+ minutes, and First Take on ESPN2 was talking about Jeter...but ESPN News was re-broadcasting SVP and Russillo...and they were actually talking college football! 
Though right before they broke for commercial, they said they'd be talking about Jeter's final home game after the break...so I quick flipped over to The Weather Channel. To hear them talking about how rain/storms in the NYC area might threaten the Yankees game tonight... 
But hey, a little progress in a positive direction, right?! As I got to watch a few minutes of college football talk instead of more "RE2PECT."
Though right before they broke for commercial, they said they'd be talking about Jeter's final home game after the break...so I quick flipped over to The Weather Channel. To hear them talking about how rain/storms in the NYC area might threaten the Yankees game tonight... But hey, a little progress in a positive direction, right?! As I got to watch a few minutes of college football talk instead of more "RE2PECT."
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Thunderlips
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LOL! at all the crying about the attention Jeter was getting......Even most Boston guys acknowledge its legit. I get if you don't watch/understand/care about baseball.....but if you even remotely call yourself a baseball fan you should be giving the dude at least a sembelance of props.
Yep. Numerous farewell events in other teams' stadiums, before/after games, ESPN2 becoming "ESPN2, aka the Derek Jeter Network," special commendation from the Commissioner's Office, etc, etc. just has barely met the mark for showing Jeter the respect he deserves. President Obama declaring today "Derek Jeter Day" as a national holiday, then all Federal buildings being ordered to fly their flags at half-mast, come Monday morning (our first day of our world, post-Jeter), would have been more appropriate! But hey, at least they've thrown him a tiny amount of respect...
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
You forgot to mention that the rain is actually God's tears.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I sense a frustration in your life that has nothing to do with baseball.....Yep. Numerous farewell events in other teams' stadiums, before/after games, ESPN2 becoming "ESPN2, aka the Derek Jeter Network," special commendation from the Commissioner's Office, etc, etc. just has barely met the mark for showing Jeter the respect he deserves. President Obama declaring today "Derek Jeter Day" as a national holiday, then all Federal buildings being ordered to fly their flags at half-mast, come Monday morning (our first day of our world, post-Jeter), would have been more appropriate! But hey, at least they've thrown him a tiny amount of respect...
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
The complaining about the complaining about Derek Jeter's farewell has gotten worse than the complaining about Derek Jeter's farewell.
We're through the looking glass, people.
Nah, I just found a topic that got a lot of play/comments for me on Facebook, so I figured I'd rant and rave in the FFA too...see what type of fun ensued. Though my guess is that a guy with a handle of "Yankee23Fan" is a completely impartial observer on the subject, with no dog in the fight...either way.I sense a frustration in your life that has nothing to do with baseball.....Yep. Numerous farewell events in other teams' stadiums, before/after games, ESPN2 becoming "ESPN2, aka the Derek Jeter Network," special commendation from the Commissioner's Office, etc, etc. just has barely met the mark for showing Jeter the respect he deserves. President Obama declaring today "Derek Jeter Day" as a national holiday, then all Federal buildings being ordered to fly their flags at half-mast, come Monday morning (our first day of our world, post-Jeter), would have been more appropriate! But hey, at least they've thrown him a tiny amount of respect...
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I am pretty sure that I haven't been posting anything in support of Jeter besides a one sentence comment about anti-Jeter people that wasn't really important to the thread at all. But if you want my opinion...Nah, I just found a topic that got a lot of play/comments for me on Facebook, so I figured I'd rant and rave in the FFA too...see what type of fun ensued. Though my guess is that a guy with a handle of "Yankee23Fan" is a completely impartial observer on the subject, with no dog in the fight...either way.I sense a frustration in your life that has nothing to do with baseball.....Yep. Numerous farewell events in other teams' stadiums, before/after games, ESPN2 becoming "ESPN2, aka the Derek Jeter Network," special commendation from the Commissioner's Office, etc, etc. just has barely met the mark for showing Jeter the respect he deserves. President Obama declaring today "Derek Jeter Day" as a national holiday, then all Federal buildings being ordered to fly their flags at half-mast, come Monday morning (our first day of our world, post-Jeter), would have been more appropriate! But hey, at least they've thrown him a tiny amount of respect...
The people complaining about this are idiots on this topic. It's ok, people are idiots about a variety of topics. Like the guys who think Kate Upton isn't sexy. You know the type. The comment that he wouldn't be getting any of this love if he played in Kansas City is actually pretty stupid. Because if he played in Kansas City he'd be one of the greatest Royals ever, and would have been on 6 World Series championship teams for a franchise that hasn't had much success since 1985. Given that pretty much every single scandal in baseball in the past 20 years didn't touch him, he hasn't been arrested picking up trannys and he doesn't pop up on Twitter saying things like the world trade center buildings were kinda lame looking anyway, the fact remains that he would be the beloved figure he is no matter what team he played for.
The argument that he isn't the greatest player ever is not disputed. People bring it up as a way to knock down a stupid comment by making other stupid comments but they think they look good doing it. He isn't even the greatest Yankee ever - but he is certainly a top 10 Yankee. And a top 10 Yankee is pretty much a guarantee that you are one of the most important figures in baseball history. And that's just a fact. It's the most storied franchise with a deep history of some truly remarkable players that transcend the game.
The argument that he isn't the greatest shortstop ever is however debateable. He wasn't the best defensive shortstop, this is true. But regardless of the WAR guys and all the advanced metric guys the fact is that he was a solid defensive player and was that while at the same time being the leader of several title teams and teams that made the playoffs. Was Nomar in his prime better in the field? Probably. Alex Rodriguez absolutely was. But that's also kinda the point. You aren't naming 20 guys in MLB better than him each year at the postion - especially when you take into account his offensive numbers which are without question HOF worthy.
And as to offense, he is just that. A clear first ballot HOFer. There is no dispute there.
So, offensively, first ballot HOFer. Played his entire career with one team and its the most storied team in baseball, and one of if not the most storied team in all of American sports, he was clean throughout, the fans always loved him, he never ever got caught in a scandal, parents could show their kids how he acted and not worry about what he might do next week on the news that gets plastered all over the place and guys like that are dwindling, and he is just a star in a city that magnifies stars, in a game that needs to magnify its stars because its losing them and not doing a very good job of replacing them ont he marketing front very well.
So, to me, the anti-Jeter stuff is pretty ridiculous. Everyone wants to fall over themselve to be the first guy to complain about ESPN - yet ESPN keeps growing. So, someone is watching (and I'll bet it's pretty much everyone in the thread whether they admit it or not). The Yankees draw ticket sales - and the evidence for that is pretty solid and standard in baseball. And in the end, it's a good story. He's the athlete everyone wants on their team - professional, successful, star-power, champion, all those things.
But, having said all that , I was saying he should have retired a few years ago, and then my family yelled at me when he had a good/great 2012. But to me this last contract he signed was really just him hanging on because he is a ballplayer. He had nothing else to prove. I would have been ok if he left instead of signing this last contract. But that is also because this Yankee team has kinda left me behind. I don't like any of them, have a hard time watching them and just don't feel a connection to them anymore like I did for so long in my life. I get more of a kick now rooting for Don Mattingly then watching this Yankee team plodd along... so no your assumption isn't exactly all the way there.
So, tl;dr - the anti-Jeter stuff is comical and none of the point made are good ones, and I'm fairly indifferent on him at this point in terms of caring about the team this year. I'm watching the Giants tonight and will catch the highlights of the Yankees, if they play, after the Giants game.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
FWIW I always thought the "if he played in Kansas City none of this would be happening" comments assume that the rest of their rosters during his career would be the same and that therefore he'd never play in the postseason, not that he accomplishes the same individual and team things in KC. He wasn't good enough to carry them to the postseason given the teams they've had between the mid-90s and 2012. Maybe in 2003.
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Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Part of this is Jeter legitimately being a great player (which he was). Part of this is him being a Yankee. But, I think an underrated part of this is the death of the offensive shortstop. Nomar, A-Rod, and Jeter were the big three. Nomar flamed out early. A-Rod was a schmuck. All we have left of that golden era is Jeter.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Ok. I agree. If he played on the Royals never made the playoffs and didn't have HOF numbers this probably isn't happening.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I think its also partly nostalgia for a time when we understood players more simply. Jeter is interesting as a kind of anti-Blyleven. If he retires in 1990 with era adjusted stats, and the same championships and All Star game nods and Golden Glove votes, there's no discussion of whether he's a first ballot guy. Only because we have people who now argue for new ways of judging defense, do we really get the argument that he's "just" a HOFer, and not necessarily a super-elite upper tier HOFer.
But my sense is that any guy that wins 6 championships and who has otherwise put up a HOF career, even if it's not pantheon HOF career, is going to get a lot of attention. He's the last link to historically great teams. If Paul O'Neill was that last link, we'd probably over-value him as well.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
He hasn't been bad until the last two years, but he also hasn't been particularly good since 2009. He was 7th in MVP voting in 2012, but he had an OPS of .791 that year (5th highest OPS among Yankees that year, by my count). He got a lot of votes since it counted as "resurgent" year for him (and voters love that), but it was resurgent because he was significantly worse than that in 2010 and 2011.
I'm all for him getting in the HOF on the first ballot and I don't mind the send-off, but he's been on his last legs a bit longer than just this year.
grateful zed
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
It's all we had, dammit.In fairness, I thought the Cal Ripken celebration for breaking Ty Cobb's consecutive games record was way overblown. Even he looked uncomfortable. A victory lap?
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
It can easy be argued that he's the greatest SS of all time.
It's too bad he didn't play in Minnesota so you guys could tell us how much better he would have been treasured if he played in New York
It's too bad he didn't play in Minnesota so you guys could tell us how much better he would have been treasured if he played in New York
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The problem with that analogy is that Jeter isn't close to Peyton, LeBron or Tiger when it comes to overall greatness in their respective sports, thus him transcending his sport allegedly makes far less sense than it does for those others.It really bothers you that teams are honoring Derek Jeter?datonn said:T Bell said::i'mmakingajerkingoffmotionjustforyou,justlikethoseteamsare:Michael Brown said:Oh, so you're telling me the rest of the baseball world isn't talking about Jeter right now? Ok guy.T Bell said:I was being sarcastic
It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.
The fact that you're being sarcastic is precisely why people hate how NY-focused the networks are. You live there and you don't have any conception of how little the rest of us think about Jeter, the Yankees or any of that. Thanks for reinforcing the point.
Generally speaking, I know people don't give two ####s about the Yankees. But to pretend like EVERY SINGLE TEAM isn't giving him pregame ceremonies and gifts and EVERY SINGLE STADIUM isn't giving him standing ovations when you can see it plainly with your own two eyes, is kind of ridiculous. I mean it's not an opinion dude...these things are happening. They're facts. Sorry if that bothers you.
In fairness, Michael Brown is stating facts. Problem is, what percentage of American sports fans are attending said games? What percentage of fans in the stands are just standing up and clapping because everybody stands and claps when a few people start that type of thing (it's polite)? What percentage of fans in the stands had any idea they were going to be forced to waste minutes of their life watching the Derek Jeter farewell tour...probably orchestrated in large-part by the Commissioner's Office? Or if not orchestrated by the Commissioner's Office, what percentage of teams put a little something together because other teams put a little something together (also see: standing ovations)?!
Those facts don't matter. Because ESPN, or Fox Sports, or ??? shows him that baseball fans across the country are supposedly acting as if Derek Jeter is The Beatles, making their American debut on the Ed Sullivan Show. Who gives a rat's ### about teams that are actually in the playoffs or are fighting for a playoff position? Who cares about the NFL regular season, NHL pre-season, NBA pre-season, college football, et al? One of the greatest New York Yankees in the history of the franchise (certainly in the past 10-15 years) is days away from his last day in pinstripes...so STOP THE PRESSES and do your hero worship right! Only wishing your teams, their history, their players, were as awesome as his.
It has very little to do with him playing in NYC (other than the World Series wins having helped to shape his legacy) - certain athletes just transcend their sport and are going to be covered disproportionately.
Why was LeBron James' free agency so heavily scrutinized and covered?
If Peyton Manning announces after this season, that next season will be his last, do you think that's the last time all season that you'll hear about it?
Why does NBC/CBS spend so much time showing Tiger Woods on Sundays, even now when he's no longer really in contention is some of those events?
It's really not all that difficult to figure out.
Peyton is considered by nearly everyone* to be a top 5 QB of all-time and a top 5-10 all-time player.
LeBron James is considered by nearly everyone* to be a top 10-15 all-time NBA player.
Tiger Woods is considered by nearly everyone* to be the best or 2nd best golfer ever.
Derek Jeter is considered to be, what, maybe a top 50 all-time MBL player? maybe?
Yeah. not the same thing.
*If you are not a part of nearly everyone in any of those cases, don't feel the need to say it; not the point.
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T Bell
Footballguy
You mean the sacred history of the sport that they've methodically watered down by diminishing the value of records by turning a blind eye to PED's and rules changes, playoff expansions, etc.?I'm not much of a baseball guy, but isn't this sort of baseball's thing, the history of the sport being sacred and all?In fairness, I thought the Cal Ripken celebration for breaking Ty Cobb's consecutive games record was way overblown. Even he looked uncomfortable. A victory lap?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Watching the game. Don't care about either team, but watching none the less.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Lol.... Just as the fan roll call got to Jeter.... Dinger by the Orioles! Announcer says, "well that was awkward".
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I don't think that's an easy argument to make. It's not slamming Jeter to acknowledge that Hornsby and A-Rod were demonstrably better. Even if you want to deduct points from ARod for moving to third, you then kind of have to consider the case that Jeter probably shouldn't have stayed at short according to defensive metrics.Smack Tripper said:
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
Back to back! LMAO!
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Tonight is the first time Jeter is playing a home game at Yankee Stadium with his team mathmatically eliminated
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I'm not sure you could argue he's better than Alan Trammel.Smack Tripper said:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_SS.shtml
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Jeter was a foot short from tying it.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Is he wearing a diamond necklace? What the Christ.
otello
Footballguy
That is an interesting fact.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Crazy talk. I get it though, you're caught up in the emotionSmack Tripper said:
Politician Spock
Footballguy
rodg12
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
AND JETER WITH THE WALKOFF!!!
YEAH JEETS!!!!
YEAH JEETS!!!!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Some chit you just can't explain.....
