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I agree with you on this point. For example, it takes forever for Sharon Tate to be introduced as Sharon Tate. I knew who she was because I was familiar with the back-story, but a viewer who went in knowing literally nothing about the film would have been oblivious to who this person was or why she mattered or what she tells us about the ending until like an hour or so into the movie. And that robs the films of a lot of its tension and sense of dread.
Me too. As an aside, loved the scene on the boat with Pitt and his wife as a flashback.
I've seen that too and I don't think it's an apt comparison.
I don't think they were hideous or anything and for a lot of them I think the appeal was they were so young and willing to do anything. Just saying they weren't movie star good looking. But ofcourse it's a movie so you got to make everyone more attractive. I thought she was great in her role.
I guess it's impossible for me to know but I thought it was very clear who Tex and the girls were, what they were there to do,etc.
I thought both Leo and Steve McQueen very clearly pointed out that it was Polanski and Tate very early in the movie? The first time Leo and Pitt go to his house he points it out.
I was familiar with the real-life events beforehand but I thought Tarantino's script did a solid job of introducing the characters. That's not always the case in his films.
LOL, that would be so QT to do that, but Qualley was on Kimmel recently and said she has ugly feet and tried to talk Tarantino out of showing them. You can tell she was in total awe of getting to work with Brad Pitt.
Hmmm, I cannot agree. I love Jackie Brown like crazy (it is my favorite QT film more days than not) and feel it is easy to follow.
Plus, it shows a little bit of vanity on her part, as she took great joy in not only watching herself on screen, but seeing others around her reacting to her on-screen performance. And what's wrong with a little vanity?
I dig. I take no issue with your interpretation even though mine was the opposite. I thought it showed her humility. She wasn’t a big arrogant star. She was a down to earth person in awe of even the slightest celebrity she had and happy she was able to please people. Her dirty feet propped up showed she wasn’t all that different from the Manson girls and that her being targeted and killed by them was a mistake. She wasn’t a piggy, she wasn’t emblematic of the Hollywood elite.
It was probably her most extended screentime. Tarantino is going to release an extended cut for Netflix. I'm curious if Robbie had more dialog in the unreleased scenes. I'm also curious about why Tim Roth's character ended up on the cutting room floor.
It's Tarantino
I just -- at this point in my life, 161 minutes better viscerally explore the meaning of life in some way for it to hold me.It's Tarantino
There are scenes where he spends more time than he needs to but generally, the movie moves along. I didn't find myself checking my watch like I have with other Tarantino films.
Cool. Both comments are taken with the requisite seriousness given the nature of those who post them. Not an issue really, then, the amount of time needed.
It won’t make you ponder the meaning of life, that’s for sure. It’s nostalgia and the fun of watching stars be stars. I heard someone say there hasn’t been a combo like Pitt and Leo since Newman and Redford. That’s probably true.
Yeah I can see some similarities there. OUATIH has much meatier and more serious acting roles as well as better dialogue- it’s just a higher caliber of movie imo but there’s a definitely similarities. And I say this as someone who is mixed on QT in general.
Oh, I dig what you're saying, and those movies are way, way too long. All of them. Like absurdly long to the point where I don't go see them. I'll say this in my brief defense: I'm no stranger to long, provocatively done movies. I love new wave/punk rock cinema but nothing is holding me back from enjoying, say, a PT Anderson-length movie (think Boogie Nights and Magnolia, which I've seen combined about over at least seventy times) with all of its plot twists, character development, and other constructs.That's the length of a typical Marvel or Star Wars movie.
We will disagree. Sharon Tate was a central figure in the story and that was her big scene. We got both Margot portraying her and Sharon herself on the screen. Tate is almost never mentioned under any context other than her being murdered by the Manson family or maybe being married to Polanski. I thought it was nice to show one of her movies and let people see her in a light that they almost never consider. She wasn't just a murder victim or a wife, but a real person and an aspiring actress.
I'd seen a quick bit that there are themes within that are quite conservative and I sort of disregarded it because when it comes to cinema, I'm trying to avoid spoilers and getting my political senses up and in the way of watching the movie qua movie.
Nothing spoilerish about it- but yeah I usually prefer not to know much about a movie before I see it. This movie, I think one needs to actually have some understanding of the events around Manson, old Hollywood, 50s/60s TV, etc. The more one is familiar with that history and era, the more enjoyable it will be. Also, I DVR'd OTW (East Coaster here) and started in about 15 mins ago. Karl is stirring up some trouble at the union shop now.
I guess I'm out of luck here. I've seriously got some West Coast non-prime mojo going on.
Weird, the app shows it's starting on TCM West right now. It's 8:00 over there, right? Not sure what kind of set-up you have but the TCM app lets you stream it live right now.
Yeah, I've got TCM HD and it showed at five apparently. I looked at TCM's channel lineup, and that's what I've got. I don't get TCM West, I get a version of the channel on DirecTV. Brando is running from the cops in The Wild One as we write this out in my neck of the woods.
Oh so you must get the East Coast feed but on the West Coast. Anyway....this has drifted way off topic. Chime into the Movie Club thread if you want to discuss The Conversation or something else.
