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I have him in my 20 man league stashed away. I think he is very talented and could really suprise...

:no:

Your thoughts?

Suspended running back Onterrio Smith's agent has filed the necessary paperwork for his client to be reinstated from his one-year ban.

If allowed back in the league, Smith will be free to sign with any team, as he was cut by the Vikings before his suspension came down. Smith is only 26 and maintains a career average of roughly five yards-per-carry.

Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette

 
I have him in my 20 man league stashed away. I think he is very talented and could really suprise...

:shock:

Your thoughts?

Suspended running back Onterrio Smith's agent has filed the necessary paperwork for his client to be reinstated from his one-year ban.

If allowed back in the league, Smith will be free to sign with any team, as he was cut by the Vikings before his suspension came down. Smith is only 26 and maintains a career average of roughly five yards-per-carry.

Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette
The answer is in the question grasshopper.
 
he was banned for 1 year, but hasn't it been 2 since he last played? seems like it. NFL.com dosen't even have him listed.

i would only take a flyer in a deep league, and i was desperate.

 
Onterrio who?

Please, the kid is already washed up. Someone MAY give him a shot, but he'll be buried so far down the depth chart that it may never matter...

I wouldn't even bother keeping him on my roster.

 
I totally disagree with you guys. He is definetely worth a spot and will get a shot. Too many teams need RB's, and he is worth taking a shot on. When he played he was VERY productive.

Come on everyone...jump on the Whiznator wagon...

 
I have him in my 20 man league stashed away. I think he is very talented and could really suprise... :goodposting: Your thoughts?Suspended running back Onterrio Smith's agent has filed the necessary paperwork for his client to be reinstated from his one-year ban.If allowed back in the league, Smith will be free to sign with any team, as he was cut by the Vikings before his suspension came down. Smith is only 26 and maintains a career average of roughly five yards-per-carry.Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette
I think you need more than 20 roster spots to justify picking him up or holding him.
 
I totally disagree with you guys. He is definetely worth a spot and will get a shot. Too many teams need RB's, and he is worth taking a shot on. When he played he was VERY productive.

Come on everyone...jump on the Whiznator wagon...
:goodposting: the list is pretty short if you ask me.

 
I have him in my 20 man league stashed away. I think he is very talented and could really suprise... :cry: Your thoughts?Suspended running back Onterrio Smith's agent has filed the necessary paperwork for his client to be reinstated from his one-year ban.If allowed back in the league, Smith will be free to sign with any team, as he was cut by the Vikings before his suspension came down. Smith is only 26 and maintains a career average of roughly five yards-per-carry.Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette
I think you need more than 20 roster spots to justify picking him up or holding him.
My roster 30 max during season: (start 1 QB + 2 RB + 3 WR + 1 TE + 1 PK + 2 DE + 2 LB + 2 DB)QB PTHR Basenez, Brett .00 -.52 @SNTS QB COLT Manning, Peyton 29.76 347.11 DLPN RB GIAN Barber, Tiki 45.30 269.70 @SKNS RB RAMS Cason, Aveion 5.90 18.90 @VIKS RB RAMS Faulk, Marshall .00 .00 @VIKS RB VIKS Moore, Mewelde 8.56 115.19 RAMS RB VIKS Smith, Onterrio .00 .00 RAMS RB VIKS Taylor, Chester 9.80 201.20 RAMS RB CHGR Tomlinson, LaDainian 9.00 456.90 CARD WR TITN Bennett, Drew 9.50 114.70 PATSWR BNGL Chatman, Antonio .00 9.54 STLR WR PCKR Driver, Donald 9.80 225.20 @BEAR WR PTHR Smith, Steve 26.10 220.60 @SNTS WR DLPN Welker, Wes 8.40 163.98 @COLT WR LION Williams, Mike 9.80 19.90 @CWBY TE EAGL Smith, L.J. .00 118.10 FALC TE JGRS Wrighster, George 3.50 68.30 @CHFS PK CARD Rackers, Neil 8.00 113.00 @CHGR PK CHFS Tynes, Lawrence 5.00 99.00 JGRS DL CHGR Castillo, Luis .00 53.00 CARD DL RDRS Kelly, Tommy 3.50 70.00 @JETS DL RAMS Little, Leonard 7.50 99.50 @VIKS DL PATS Warren, Ty 8.00 93.00 @TITN LB CHGR Edwards, Donnie 12.00 145.00 CARD LB BNGL Johnson, Landon 9.00 113.00 STLR LB RAVN Lewis, Ray 12.00 115.00 BILL LB BUCS Quarles, Shelton 6.50 104.00 SEAH LB TITN Thornton, David 5.00 104.00 PATS DB EAGL Dawkins, Brian 2.50 116.00 FALC DB GIAN Wilson, Gibril 4.50 111.00 @SKNS DB CARD Wilson, Adrian 2.50 133.00 @CHGR
 
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I did an 5 for 1 trade and had 4 open roster spots. THERE IS NOTHING left in our league...20 owners X 30 spots. So I gambled on Marshall. I have a lot of easy cuts coming up. I need to drop to 25 by 5/31.

I WILL KEEP Onterio Smith....YOU CAN BET ON THAT!!!!

 
I sense a fascination with Viking Running backs... You're rostering Mewelde and Chester too..

Is there a lil man love here? C'mon, you can be honest with us.

 
I sense a fascination with Viking Running backs... You're rostering Mewelde and Chester too.. Is there a lil man love here? C'mon, you can be honest with us.
It's a 20 man league...YOU need the backup RB's....Plus...you ever see Mewelde in his speedo???? Definetely worth rostering
 
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I did an 5 for 1 trade and had 4 open roster spots. THERE IS NOTHING left in our league...20 owners X 30 spots. So I gambled on Marshall. I have a lot of easy cuts coming up. I need to drop to 25 by 5/31.

I WILL KEEP Onterio Smith....YOU CAN BET ON THAT!!!!
You know he and Tiki are offically retired?
 
I agree than Onterrio has talent. However, even though I don't have the raw data to back this up, I believe that history proves that only an elite talent level of RB can be away from the game 2 years early in his career and then produce at a high level. Now ask yourself if you really think if Onterrio has elite talent. The answer in my mind is clearly no.

My analysis doesn't even take into account his headcase problems.

 
I remember reading an article about him in the Sacramento Bee earlier this year and thinking about what a waste of talent he was. I personally closed the book on rooting for the guy after this because I hadn't really realized what an idiot he had consistently been.I just tried searching the SacBee web site but couldn't find the direct link so sorry I don't have one, but I could find the text from someone else who had cut and pasted it on another message board.

A broken man on the mendFormer Grant and Vikings running back Onterrio Smith had it all -- and lost it -- because of drugsBy Joe Davidson - Bee Staff WriterLast Updated 12:10 am PST Sunday, February 4, 2007Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C1Print | E-Mail | Comments (11)Onterrio Smith is trying to work his way back into the NFL. The Grant High School legend is suspended indefinitely for violating the league�s substance abuse policy. Sacramento Bee/Hector AmezcuaSee additional imagesIt used to be a perfect body, except maybe a gnarled finger or two. Otherwise, it was chiseled and hard, formidable, fast and admired. Coveted.Not now. Onterrio Smith will tell you that his physique -- his one-time ticket to achievement, a college education and wealth -- again is a work in progress.A lot of work. After a recent three-hour workout in a Natomas gym, he was spent, slumped in a chair with sweat slowly dripping from his chin.This is Onterrio Smith now. His Grant High School football legacy remains, but the exploits upon which it was built are far behind him. The promise of his college career and his potential to star in the NFL have been replaced by an uncertain future. Any road back to the NFL -- and to self-respect and a more promising life -- will be an exhausting one.Smith's many mistakes -- mostly his affinity for marijuana -- put him here, struggling to shed a costly, embarrassing stigma as well as the weight that piled on after he was banned from the NFL for violating its substance abuse policy in 2005.He said he wants to play again, to rebuild a broken career. Still 25 pounds heavier than his desired playing weight of 215 -- and yet to convince the NFL that he is a reformed citizen -- he has a way to go.NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said simply that there is "no change in (Smith's) status. He continues to be suspended indefinitely." The league sends somebody to Smith's home 10 times a month to administer drug tests, checking his suspect promise to stay clean.Smith says he brought himself down and will lift himself back up."I still feel I can be a top back in the NFL," Smith said. "I can offer the NFL a lot, and the NFL can offer me a lot."Smith last carried the ball in an NFL game two years ago, with the Minnesota Vikings. Now he works with a 30-pound medicine ball, part of his grueling work with Sacramento trainer Al Biancani."He's sold his soul to me," Biancani said. "He's my project, and this will pay off."Smith is 26 years old, and he says he can be the person and player he and others want him to be.* * * In February 1999, Smith was a sure thing. Piles of college recruiting letters proclaimed his greatness following the most outrageous prep career ever by a local product: 6,123 rushing yards, 99 touchdowns. He was a 5-foot-11, 205-pound mixture of ferocity, instinct and explosiveness.In Del Paso Heights, he was embraced as the community's own. He was a celebrity and loved it.Smith was as engaging in person as he was entertaining on the field. He signed autographs after games and listened as friends and others told him what to do with his future.All the major schools wanted him, and he chose Tennessee, which had just won the national championship."Best time of my life," Smith said of his prep days. "Then ... "It changed.And it was his own doing.Smith could bench-press 325 pounds a dozen times, but he didn't have strength enough to push away a marijuana pipe or say no to the next party. He said he started getting high in college with a few drinks, a few smokes with friends, becoming part of a social scene.He was booted out of the Tennessee football program for testing positive for marijuana. He landed at Oregon, where he led the Ducks in rushing in 2001 and 2002, and entered the NFL draft after his junior season.But no team wanted to risk a high pick on Smith, and he fell to the fourth round before the Vikings called. Nobody would say it, but his reputation was affecting his stock as a professional athletic commodity.Instead of looking inward, Smith turned to bravado, shaving the letters SOD -- "Steal of the Draft" -- into his hair, and for a while he played the part.He set a Vikings rookie single-game rushing record with 148 yards against Chicago in 2003 and finished with 579 rushing yards that season.But the disciplinary action soon began at the pro level. He was suspended for four games in 2004, though he still led the team with 544 rushing yards. He hasn't gained a regular-season professional yard since.Smith's third drug-policy violation in May 2005 resulted in his suspension for the subsequent season. About the same time, he was pulled off a plane in Minneapolis for carrying a device called the Original Whizzinator, an elaborate kit for beating drug tests that included dried urine samples and an artificial penis.It was an embarrassment, but the NFL won't say if the incident had anything to do with his current suspension status.Fed up with Smith's refusal to comply with required rehabilitation and counseling sessions, the NFL denied Smith reinstatement for the 2006 season. The Vikings cut him from their reserved/suspended list before the 2006 draft."We want guys that are squared away character-wise," Vikings coach Brad Childress said then.Smith tried to resurrect his career in the Canadian Football League with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers last summer. He arrived at camp weighing 257 pounds and packing a sore foot.He lost a fumble in one exhibition game, gained seven yards on two carries and was released.* * * People who know him best -- former coaches, teammates, family -- describe Smith affectionately, with a caveat: good guy, good family man -- poor decisions."The thing with Onterrio is he's only hurt himself," Grant coach Mike Alberghini said. "He hasn't committed crimes against society. He's committed crimes against himself. Doesn't make him a bad person, just someone who hasn't always made the best decisions."Smith said that once humbled, a person either learns and changes or is ruined. He said he wants to live and learn."The CFL, the Whizzinator ... " Smith said, pausing. "They say you have to surrender to your problem. For the longest time, I didn't think I had a problem. Didn't believe it."But something was always getting me in these situations. My mom would tell me to stop partying. She knew me. Finally, I knew I had to get back to family, get back to my comfort zone. What was I running for? I needed to get back home. It had all caught up with me."Smith said he could handle the smirks and jokes that spread across late-night television. He even chimed in with his own."They pulled me off that plane and thought the dried urine capsules were cocaine," Smith said. "I tried to crack a joke -- Don't taste it!"No one laughed. That was really weak of me, embarrassing. I felt for my kids and my mom. Those are the people I hurt, too."After Canada, Smith returned to Malibu and re-entered drug rehabilitation. Back home in Sacramento, he attends counseling three times a week and no longer fights it.That's the key, according to Eason Ramson. The Christian Brothers graduate was a tight end on the 49ers' first Super Bowl team in 1981, and his career crashed around him amid drug and alcohol abuse. Ramson now is a drug counselor."My advice to him, now and whenever, is, "Get out of the way of your own problem, throw your hands up and surrender,' " said Ramson, a counselor and administrator at Ella Hill Hutch Community Center in San Francisco. "If he's done that, it's a huge step. And family support is huge because recovery isn't just about abstinence, it's about changing your behavior."* * * Smith surrounds himself with friends and family. He has three young children, whom he sees but who do not live with him, and scores of cousins who adore him. He said he watches the company he keeps.Favorite foods such as steak, gumbo and sweets have been replaced by fish and salads at his mother's place."That's one way I can tell he's really serious about this," said his mother, Terri Garrison. "He never ate like that before."Moral support is plentiful, and Smith, who earned more than $380,000 a year in the NFL, insists he doesn't need financial support.He attended every Grant game in the fall. Fans urged him to keep his head up, and players showed their respect, thrilled he was there. He shared his insights with the high school players."He tells me to be smart, more than anything," said Grant's Tim Lang, The Bee's 2006 Player of the Year.
 
I agree than Onterrio has talent. However, even though I don't have the raw data to back this up, I believe that history proves that only an elite talent level of RB can be away from the game 2 years early in his career and then produce at a high level. Now ask yourself if you really think if Onterrio has elite talent. The answer in my mind is clearly no. My analysis doesn't even take into account his headcase problems.
While I agree Smith is done, this is a terrible argument. First, define elite? You're acting like its a set status we can research. Secondly, give me examples. You sounded like you had an idea of a couple of guys, so, give me 2 names that have ever done this. Actually, just give me 1 name (pref an "elite" RB) who has had success doing this. If you can name 1 or 2 names, and (if there are even 2 examples of this) and even if he or they are both "elite" is this really a large enough sample size to predict how Onterrio Smith will play? The answer is absolutely not.
 
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I want a guy like Onterrio to fail for the same reason I want Ricky Williams to fail. I don't want NFL athletes to think they can do drugs and let down their team, and still succeed. I don't know what's worse, an athlete wasting their potential by doing drugs, or letting down their teammates by being suspended. Maybe if enough drug using athletes fail in the comeback attempts it will cause fewer (and a few is significant in my mind) athletes to do drugs.

 
I want a guy like Onterrio to fail for the same reason I want Ricky Williams to fail. I don't want NFL athletes to think they can do drugs and let down their team, and still succeed. I don't know what's worse, an athlete wasting their potential by doing drugs, or letting down their teammates by being suspended. Maybe if enough drug using athletes fail in the comeback attempts it will cause fewer (and a few is significant in my mind) athletes to do drugs.
:lmao: Personally, I'd rather them (Williams and Smith) succeed and show hope for others who have had problems.
 
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I want a guy like Onterrio to fail for the same reason I want Ricky Williams to fail. I don't want NFL athletes to think they can do drugs and let down their team, and still succeed. I don't know what's worse, an athlete wasting their potential by doing drugs, or letting down their teammates by being suspended. Maybe if enough drug using athletes fail in the comeback attempts it will cause fewer (and a few is significant in my mind) athletes to do drugs.
Millennium - I think you are taking it was too personal. I think Ricky Williams and Onterrio are young guys given millions of dollars and made mistakes. As far as the comment that they "let their teammates down" - this is the NFL not college and most players attitude is totally different.
 
he was banned for 1 year, but hasn't it been 2 since he last played? seems like it. NFL.com dosen't even have him listed. i would only take a flyer in a deep league, and i was desperate.
He was banned indefinitely. It was not a 1-year suspension.Smith has loads of talent. LOADS! But he lacks work ethic, and getting work ethic now, may just be too little too late.I might take a late round gamble on him in a dynasty if he landed in a good situation. But that's IF he gets reinstated, AND gets on a team.
 
Yeah, he looked pretty good to me in college, I don't doubt the kid has talent.

But being away from the game for as long as he has, the problems he has had, and the sheer stupidity he has shown, makes me doubt his prospects.

I mention stupidity, because any NFL player that fails a drug test is an idiot. Small measures of caution will keep any player from failing a drug test, you truly have to be a knucklehead to fail them more than once.

 
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I agree than Onterrio has talent. However, even though I don't have the raw data to back this up, I believe that history proves that only an elite talent level of RB can be away from the game 2 years early in his career and then produce at a high level. Now ask yourself if you really think if Onterrio has elite talent. The answer in my mind is clearly no. My analysis doesn't even take into account his headcase problems.
While I agree Smith is done, this is a terrible argument. First, define elite? You're acting like its a set status we can research. Secondly, give me examples. You sounded like you had an idea of a couple of guys, so, give me 2 names that have ever done this. Actually, just give me 1 name (pref an "elite" RB) who has had success doing this. If you can name 1 or 2 names, and (if there are even 2 examples of this) and even if he or they are both "elite" is this really a large enough sample size to predict how Onterrio Smith will play? The answer is absolutely not.
I apologize that I don't have the data, but I don't think it's a terrible argument. First, it has been difficult for me to find what RBs were away from the game for 2 years for whatever reason, early in their career. Please don't underestimate the early in their career part of things. Most RBs who fall in this category are names many of us have forgotten. When I have more time, I will try to research the data to prove or disprove whether there are elite caliber backs who started their career missing 2 seasons.For now, I'm sorry to shift the burden of proof back on you, but I challenge you to name me 1 RB who has been away from football early in his career, yet made a solid comeback. If you cannot name 1, then I suggest that supports my argument that the odds are against Onterrio.
 
I agree than Onterrio has talent. However, even though I don't have the raw data to back this up, I believe that history proves that only an elite talent level of RB can be away from the game 2 years early in his career and then produce at a high level. Now ask yourself if you really think if Onterrio has elite talent. The answer in my mind is clearly no. My analysis doesn't even take into account his headcase problems.
While I agree Smith is done, this is a terrible argument. First, define elite? You're acting like its a set status we can research. Secondly, give me examples. You sounded like you had an idea of a couple of guys, so, give me 2 names that have ever done this. Actually, just give me 1 name (pref an "elite" RB) who has had success doing this. If you can name 1 or 2 names, and (if there are even 2 examples of this) and even if he or they are both "elite" is this really a large enough sample size to predict how Onterrio Smith will play? The answer is absolutely not.
I apologize that I don't have the data, but I don't think it's a terrible argument. First, it has been difficult for me to find what RBs were away from the game for 2 years for whatever reason, early in their career. Please don't underestimate the early in their career part of things. Most RBs who fall in this category are names many of us have forgotten. When I have more time, I will try to research the data to prove or disprove whether there are elite caliber backs who started their career missing 2 seasons.For now, I'm sorry to shift the burden of proof back on you, but I challenge you to name me 1 RB who has been away from football early in his career, yet made a solid comeback. If you cannot name 1, then I suggest that supports my argument that the odds are against Onterrio.
Away because of injury acceptable?
 
I think Mr Onterio has learned from his mistakes and is looking for a second chance.

Just watchout when he gets his chance.

Also

When did Tiki & Marshall retire???????

 
I want a guy like Onterrio to fail for the same reason I want Ricky Williams to fail. I don't want NFL athletes to think they can do drugs and let down their team, and still succeed. I don't know what's worse, an athlete wasting their potential by doing drugs, or letting down their teammates by being suspended. Maybe if enough drug using athletes fail in the comeback attempts it will cause fewer (and a few is significant in my mind) athletes to do drugs.
Millennium - I think you are taking it was too personal. I think Ricky Williams and Onterrio are young guys given millions of dollars and made mistakes. As far as the comment that they "let their teammates down" - this is the NFL not college and most players attitude is totally different.
Perry, you're right. I do take it more personally than I should. In college, I was an All-American track and field athlete. My teammates looked up to me and depended on my performance for the overall success of the team. I couldn't imagine letting my teammates down by doing drugs and getting suspended. The letting teammates down part is more so in team sports like football as opposed to a more individual sport like track & field. To me, there is no difference in this regard between college and the NFL. Addittionally, are you saying, for example, that a college student shouldn't smoke marijuana while he's in school, but it's ok to smoke marijuana at his office job after he graduates? For starters, isn't it illegal either way?
 
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I agree than Onterrio has talent. However, even though I don't have the raw data to back this up, I believe that history proves that only an elite talent level of RB can be away from the game 2 years early in his career and then produce at a high level. Now ask yourself if you really think if Onterrio has elite talent. The answer in my mind is clearly no. My analysis doesn't even take into account his headcase problems.
While I agree Smith is done, this is a terrible argument. First, define elite? You're acting like its a set status we can research. Secondly, give me examples. You sounded like you had an idea of a couple of guys, so, give me 2 names that have ever done this. Actually, just give me 1 name (pref an "elite" RB) who has had success doing this. If you can name 1 or 2 names, and (if there are even 2 examples of this) and even if he or they are both "elite" is this really a large enough sample size to predict how Onterrio Smith will play? The answer is absolutely not.
I apologize that I don't have the data, but I don't think it's a terrible argument. First, it has been difficult for me to find what RBs were away from the game for 2 years for whatever reason, early in their career. Please don't underestimate the early in their career part of things. Most RBs who fall in this category are names many of us have forgotten. When I have more time, I will try to research the data to prove or disprove whether there are elite caliber backs who started their career missing 2 seasons.For now, I'm sorry to shift the burden of proof back on you, but I challenge you to name me 1 RB who has been away from football early in his career, yet made a solid comeback. If you cannot name 1, then I suggest that supports my argument that the odds are against Onterrio.
Away because of injury acceptable?
Yes, Switz. Even though the severity of the injury would affect the analysis. Edited to add that I'm looking forward to your input on this, Switz.
 
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I want a guy like Onterrio to fail for the same reason I want Ricky Williams to fail. I don't want NFL athletes to think they can do drugs and let down their team, and still succeed. I don't know what's worse, an athlete wasting their potential by doing drugs, or letting down their teammates by being suspended. Maybe if enough drug using athletes fail in the comeback attempts it will cause fewer (and a few is significant in my mind) athletes to do drugs.
:goodposting: Personally, I'd rather them (Williams and Smith) succeed and show hope for others who have had problems.
DocT, I respect that opinion, and I realize that probably most people feel the same as you. Everyone feels strongly, perhaps too strongly about 1 issue or another in life. For me, my issue is drugs. I realize my thoughts on this may be somewhat extreme.
 
I want a guy like Onterrio to fail for the same reason I want Ricky Williams to fail. I don't want NFL athletes to think they can do drugs and let down their team, and still succeed. I don't know what's worse, an athlete wasting their potential by doing drugs, or letting down their teammates by being suspended. Maybe if enough drug using athletes fail in the comeback attempts it will cause fewer (and a few is significant in my mind) athletes to do drugs.
Millennium - I think you are taking it was too personal. I think Ricky Williams and Onterrio are young guys given millions of dollars and made mistakes. As far as the comment that they "let their teammates down" - this is the NFL not college and most players attitude is totally different.
Perry, you're right. I do take it more personally than I should. In college, I was an All-American track and field athlete. My teammates looked up to me and depended on my performance for the overall success of the team. I couldn't imagine letting my teammates down my doing drugs and getting suspended. The letting teammates down part is more so in team sports like football as opposed to a more individual sport like track & field. To me, there is no difference in this regard between college and the NFL. Are you saying, for example, that a college student shouldn't smoke marijuana while he's in school, but it's ok to smoke marijuana at his office job after he graduates? For starters, isn't it illegal either way?
Congratulations on being a track and field All - American - Seriously I know you had to work very hard to get to that level of competition and succeed. The NFL is a meat market player are bought and sold like cattle; while in college most school and coaches do care most for their player personal development. What I am trying to articulate is that this idea of letting down teammates is not that popular in the NFL. It is also very important to remember that these are young men have been given tons of money but along with that came opportunities for moral failure and bad judgments. Which in many cases means that they are human and not the idols many people seem to like to make them out to be.
 
I think Mr Onterio has learned from his mistakes and is looking for a second chance.Just watchout when he gets his chance.AlsoWhen did Tiki & Marshall retire???????
So, everyone is on one side of the argument except the guy who doesn't know Marshall and Tiki retired.Which side do I take... hmm... tough choice... :unsure:
 
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I want a guy like Onterrio to fail for the same reason I want Ricky Williams to fail. I don't want NFL athletes to think they can do drugs and let down their team, and still succeed. I don't know what's worse, an athlete wasting their potential by doing drugs, or letting down their teammates by being suspended. Maybe if enough drug using athletes fail in the comeback attempts it will cause fewer (and a few is significant in my mind) athletes to do drugs.
Millennium - I think you are taking it was too personal. I think Ricky Williams and Onterrio are young guys given millions of dollars and made mistakes. As far as the comment that they "let their teammates down" - this is the NFL not college and most players attitude is totally different.
Perry, you're right. I do take it more personally than I should. In college, I was an All-American track and field athlete. My teammates looked up to me and depended on my performance for the overall success of the team. I couldn't imagine letting my teammates down my doing drugs and getting suspended. The letting teammates down part is more so in team sports like football as opposed to a more individual sport like track & field. To me, there is no difference in this regard between college and the NFL. Are you saying, for example, that a college student shouldn't smoke marijuana while he's in school, but it's ok to smoke marijuana at his office job after he graduates? For starters, isn't it illegal either way?
Congratulations on being a track and field All - American - Seriously I know you had to work very hard to get to that level of competition and succeed. The NFL is a meat market player are bought and sold like cattle; while in college most school and coaches do care most for their player personal development. What I am trying to articulate is that this idea of letting down teammates is not that popular in the NFL. It is also very important to remember that these are young men have been given tons of money but along with that came opportunities for moral failure and bad judgments. Which in many cases means that they are human and not the idols many people seem to like to make them out to be.
True enough, Perry.
 
I always hope people can learn from their mistakes and get a second chance. But all too often (*coughKorenRobinsoncough*) those same players screw those up as well.

If Smith gets another chance I hope he's learned enough to not be that guy. As has been pointed out, all that money at a young age -- some of these guys aren't ready for it. I dunno if I woulda been.

If he's hit rock bottom - to turn a trite and overused phrase - hopefully he'll appreciate the opportunity he's got.

 
Mr Black....which events did you run?

I also ran track and field in high school & college. My favorite event was the 800...but I lacked foot speed in college to run it (had to run longer races). It was such a gut check though with 300 meters left.

 
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I agree than Onterrio has talent. However, even though I don't have the raw data to back this up, I believe that history proves that only an elite talent level of RB can be away from the game 2 years early in his career and then produce at a high level. Now ask yourself if you really think if Onterrio has elite talent. The answer in my mind is clearly no. My analysis doesn't even take into account his headcase problems.
While I agree Smith is done, this is a terrible argument. First, define elite? You're acting like its a set status we can research. Secondly, give me examples. You sounded like you had an idea of a couple of guys, so, give me 2 names that have ever done this. Actually, just give me 1 name (pref an "elite" RB) who has had success doing this. If you can name 1 or 2 names, and (if there are even 2 examples of this) and even if he or they are both "elite" is this really a large enough sample size to predict how Onterrio Smith will play? The answer is absolutely not.
I apologize that I don't have the data, but I don't think it's a terrible argument. First, it has been difficult for me to find what RBs were away from the game for 2 years for whatever reason, early in their career. Please don't underestimate the early in their career part of things. Most RBs who fall in this category are names many of us have forgotten. When I have more time, I will try to research the data to prove or disprove whether there are elite caliber backs who started their career missing 2 seasons.For now, I'm sorry to shift the burden of proof back on you, but I challenge you to name me 1 RB who has been away from football early in his career, yet made a solid comeback. If you cannot name 1, then I suggest that supports my argument that the odds are against Onterrio.
Away because of injury acceptable?
Yes, Switz. Even though the severity of the injury would affect the analysis. Edited to add that I'm looking forward to your input on this, Switz.
Terry Allen missed the entire 1993 season and came back better than he was before.Robert Edwards was away for a few years, and came back for 12 respectable games... not usre the rest of his story.I'm not in the camp of Onterrio believers at this juncture... but I do think it is possible for A RB to come back, but maybe not Onterrio... he doesn't want to work hard enough.
 
DocT said:
MillenniuM Presents: Frank Black said:
I agree than Onterrio has talent. However, even though I don't have the raw data to back this up, I believe that history proves that only an elite talent level of RB can be away from the game 2 years early in his career and then produce at a high level. Now ask yourself if you really think if Onterrio has elite talent. The answer in my mind is clearly no. My analysis doesn't even take into account his headcase problems.
While I agree Smith is done, this is a terrible argument. First, define elite? You're acting like its a set status we can research. Secondly, give me examples. You sounded like you had an idea of a couple of guys, so, give me 2 names that have ever done this. Actually, just give me 1 name (pref an "elite" RB) who has had success doing this. If you can name 1 or 2 names, and (if there are even 2 examples of this) and even if he or they are both "elite" is this really a large enough sample size to predict how Onterrio Smith will play? The answer is absolutely not.
Not sure that "elite" describes this 1,000 yard rusher that missed over two yearsRocky Bleier
 
DocT said:
MillenniuM Presents: Frank Black said:
I want a guy like Onterrio to fail for the same reason I want Ricky Williams to fail. I don't want NFL athletes to think they can do drugs and let down their team, and still succeed. I don't know what's worse, an athlete wasting their potential by doing drugs, or letting down their teammates by being suspended. Maybe if enough drug using athletes fail in the comeback attempts it will cause fewer (and a few is significant in my mind) athletes to do drugs.
:lmao: Personally, I'd rather them (Williams and Smith) succeed and show hope for others who have had problems.
Booyakasha! :lmao: :lmao:
 
Garrison Hearst missed a couple of years and made quite a comeback, but it wasn't early in his career.

I can see the argument for rooting for guys like Onterrio and Ricky to give others hope, but at the same time is just pains me to see repeated bad behavior without consequences. Sure, it may give others in a bad situation hope, but more than likely it just gives people more of an excuse who do these illegal and/or immoral things, because they see others getting away with it.

As far as the original poster's question, I really think there's other valuable players that would likely be available in your league that have more of a shot at contributing than Onterrio, who's not even on a roster, is suspended indefinitely with no indication that he's going to be reinstated, other than his agent saying they filed some paperwork. Off the top of my head, guys like Chris Taylor in Houston, PJ Pope in Green Bay, even Travis Minor with the Rams. All of those guys I think would probably be available and would be more worth stashing than Onterrio at this point.

 
I remember carrying the Ont Smith banner when he was drafted and had a great first season. Seems like a long time ago.

 
Since this thread began he's been picked up in 3 of my dynasty leagues.

Sorry to interrupt the moral and philosophical musings....

 
Since this thread began he's been picked up in 3 of my dynasty leagues. Sorry to interrupt the moral and philosophical musings....
Yeah, I noticed, same here. A actually started a thread with the news about a minute before this one began this morning, so I could have jumped on him first if I'd wanted to. It's longer than a longshot that he will ever produce a fantasy point in anyone's lineup, and there are a lot of guys I'd pick up off the WW before him. Applying for reinstatement is a long, long way from getting carries on a football field in a game. I wouldn't consider dropping anyone roster-worthy for this guy.
 
Did I hear Lawrence Phillips? Too bad he's too old to be cast on the real world, Onterio's perfect for that show!!! :goodposting:

 
I think I know a little bit about fantasy football. Look at my roster for a 20 MAN league........Manning + Tomlinson + Steve Smith.

In 5 years I have 2 titles...so a little above average. Tiki is on my team because it is same roster from 2006 season. No transactions allowed after Championship game. So he is locked in. I took a gamble on Faulk when Kevin Jones went down. The TOP 600 players are on rosters...not much out there.

 
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