**opinion** P. Thomas not back until week 11? (1 Viewer)

[pittstownkiller]

I am starting to believe that P.T. will not be back before his bye. I feel that week 8 is the absolute breaking point; with it being that if he can't go, why start him for only one week before his bye. I also feel that there will be very little reason to push P.T., if Ivory runs well this week and NOR wins like they should. So I don't see the reason to start him unless he is 100% next week; and if he doesn't go, then there is no reason to have him play until week 11. If this all comes into play where does that leave Ivory; how viable is he as a productive back from here on out? Bush should be returning sometime around then, right?

 

[PhilLynott]

I am starting to believe that P.T. will not be back before his bye. I feel that week 8 is the absolute breaking point; with it being that if he can't go, why start him for only one week before his bye. I also feel that there will be very little reason to push P.T., if Ivory runs well this week and NOR wins like they should. So I don't see the reason to start him unless he is 100% next week; and if he doesn't go, then there is no reason to have him play until week 11. If this all comes into play where does that leave Ivory; how viable is he as a productive back from here on out? Bush should be returning sometime around then, right?

Any proof that PT will not be back. I have Ivory and I would like any info regarding his status.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I am starting to believe that P.T. will not be back before his bye. I feel that week 8 is the absolute breaking point; with it being that if he can't go, why start him for only one week before his bye. I also feel that there will be very little reason to push P.T., if Ivory runs well this week and NOR wins like they should. So I don't see the reason to start him unless he is 100% next week; and if he doesn't go, then there is no reason to have him play until week 11. If this all comes into play where does that leave Ivory; how viable is he as a productive back from here on out? Bush should be returning sometime around then, right?

Any proof that PT will not be back. I have Ivory and I would like any info regarding his status.

No, it is pure speculation on how I would handle an injury. If any NOR faithful are following P.T., is he even practicing? Week 8 seems like a tough one to return to facing PIT; week 9 is CAR and they should be able to win that without him.

 

[HellToupee]

I thought I missed something here

very misleading thread title

 

[Futz]

Yeah, the thread title is suggesting that you have a info or a link saying he may not return till week 11. That's pretty misleading considering it's pure speculation on your part.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Yeah, the thread title is suggesting that you have a info or a link saying he may not return till week 11. That's pretty misleading considering it's pure speculation on your part.

I did put a question mark there or do you not see punctuation marks? I guess that anything that has to do with an injury report is speculation, unless a player is out. I see how it can very plausibly play out as I have stated. The main question still stands regardless of Thomas status: With Bush and Thomas coming back, where does that leave Ivory. I made what I thought was a reasonable guess on how Thomas will play into it and was asking if anybody either knew of anything more concrete or has their own reasonable scenario. If I'm not mistaken when somebody says to play Romo over Rodgers that is pure speculation, it is kind of a big part of what is going on here. I started a P. Thomas thread on the day he was injured and asked if it was serious and was ridiculed for it, then I suggested after a few weeks that if it hangs on much longer that the bye could come into play, only to have the same incredulous people questioning me because they need facts. Well I don't no where their facts got them since there have not been any, but I'm starting to look like an oracle here (lol). I take that we all have at least glanced at the "2nd Opinion" article in the subscriber pages, by Dr. Bramel, his opinions are all speculation, albeit very informed speculation; jeez there is even a disclaimer by J. Bryant saying it is all speculation. I'll try to come up with something clever and re-title my thread, to ease the faint of heart.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I agree with some of the others who complain that the title is misleading. If you are going to spin a possible scenario, at least bring a link to a sportsblog or beatwriter that supports your theory.

When it's just your gut, it would be better if you did a search of the P. Thomas threads or C. Ivory threads and state your opinion on the subject.

What bothers some of us in the SP is an alarmist title supported by NADA.

FWIW, I am an Ivory owner and I hope you are right, but your opinion of what might happen isn't threadworthy. I do like your take, but it is better in the flow of an established thread that makes no claims in the OP that aren't supported by a media link.

 

[Futz]

I agree with some of the others who complain that the title is misleading. If you are going to spin a possible scenario, at least bring a link to a sportsblog or beatwriter that supports your theory.When it's just your gut, it would be better if you did a search of the P. Thomas threads or C. Ivory threads and state your opinion on the subject. What bothers some of us in the SP is an alarmist title supported by NADA.FWIW, I am an Ivory owner and I hope you are right, but your opinion of what might happen isn't threadworthy. I do like your take, but it is better in the flow of an established thread that makes no claims in the OP that aren't supported by a media link.

Well said.

 

[cvnpoka]

and you couldnt put this post in the existing pierre thomas thread(s). do you really think it is such a perceptive observation, analysis and question that it deserves its own stand alone thread? i mean, i dont. but i guess you think that highly of yourself.

 

[Futz]

Yeah, the thread title is suggesting that you have a info or a link saying he may not return till week 11. That's pretty misleading considering it's pure speculation on your part.

I did put a question mark there or do you not see punctuation marks? I guess that anything that has to do with an injury report is speculation, unless a player is out. I see how it can very plausibly play out as I have stated. The main question still stands regardless of Thomas status: With Bush and Thomas coming back, where does that leave Ivory. I made what I thought was a reasonable guess on how Thomas will play into it and was asking if anybody either knew of anything more concrete or has their own reasonable scenario. If I'm not mistaken when somebody says to play Romo over Rodgers that is pure speculation, it is kind of a big part of what is going on here. I started a P. Thomas thread on the day he was injured and asked if it was serious and was ridiculed for it, then I suggested after a few weeks that if it hangs on much longer that the bye could come into play, only to have the same incredulous people questioning me because they need facts. Well I don't no where their facts got them since there have not been any, but I'm starting to look like an oracle here (lol). I take that we all have at least glanced at the "2nd Opinion" article in the subscriber pages, by Dr. Bramel, his opinions are all speculation, albeit very informed speculation; jeez there is even a disclaimer by J. Bryant saying it is all speculation. I'll try to come up with something clever and re-title my thread, to ease the faint of heart.

If you want to speculate, that's fine, I appreciate anyone's thoughts on a player, but a better thread title might have read "My gut tells me PT is out till week 11." or "I could see PT sidelined till week 11, here's why.". No one wants to jump out their window having read that because they know immediately that it's purely speculation on your part. They then can decide whether they even want to read your speculation or bypass it for perhaps more factual and usual information.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I agree with some of the others who complain that the title is misleading. If you are going to spin a possible scenario, at least bring a link to a sportsblog or beatwriter that supports your theory.

When it's just your gut, it would be better if you did a search of the P. Thomas threads or C. Ivory threads and state your opinion on the subject.

What bothers some of us in the SP is an alarmist title supported by NADA.

FWIW, I am an Ivory owner and I hope you are right, but your opinion of what might happen isn't threadworthy. I do like your take, but it is better in the flow of an established thread that makes no claims in the OP that aren't supported by a media link.

All right I'll come down off my perch and I'll even supply some links (I haven't had to list sources since high school). First Sean Payton stated he was behind schedule. Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playe...9/pierre-thomasSo what is his schedule? Enter Dr. Bramel, who predicted that he would be out until week 8. Source: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2010/1...2ndopinion6.php

and

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nor/blogs

Okay, so if he was scheduled to be out till week 8 and he is behind schedule, that got me thinking week 9. Week 9 got me thinking about the bye (week 10). I admit this is flimsy but this is where my speculation started (well, in reality, I had this feeling and looked this up with this when I was asked for links - it was just luck that it was the first two that I looked at). I have not seen anything that P.T. is close to playing, let alone practicing. I guess this topic causes some anxiety in the masses, as it should, but take my opinion for what it is - an opinion.

**Disclosure**

I am a Thomas owner and now an Ivory owner, too. My desire was to start a thread, where ideas could be exchanged, with the hopes of creating a logical path to divining the future. I don't know if he is still wearing a boot but someone in my last thread knew. I don't know if he is practicing but someone in my last thread knew. I don't know if he is even attending practice or riding an exercise bike, I was hoping that this might get discussed. He has been injured every year he has been in the league (sorry no sources on this one, going on memory), is he a fast healer? Seems to me all his injuries have been at the end of the season, so I don't have any feel on how long he would of sat out. Would Payton bring him back to face the Steelers? Seems to me he would only do this if he is running back fodder, like a kick returner. It also seems to me that he is an important piece to the offense to risk an injury when there is a block of free rest coming up. I understand in the NFL two games can make a season; but if he is not 100% for PIT and it is plausible they can glide by CAR, why risk it? It seems a little hard for me to believe that if I start a thread with a question, that I have to provide all the answers to it, with proof. If I knew all the answers, why the hell would I be asking the questions? As far as speculating on a previous thread, I had one, it had 186 post on it and started to drift off topic. Since I personally don't enjoy the exercise of scrolling through pages to find the current posts, I thought I would concentrate the topic and start a new thread. If you rather, here is the link to the old thread, from the beginning:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...558740&st=0

I will go and find all the facts on P. Thomas I can find (no small task, since my internet surfing skills a pretty sophomoric) and I'll share it here; but I have to admit, I was hoping to find it here.

 

[Ariakis]

As a PT/Ivory owner who's already lost Grant and won't start BJax I am starting to just hope PT stays gone even though it's a dynasty Ivory if successful just becomes the next poor man's Arian Foster to PT's Steve Slaton. Reggie Bush doesn't matter he won't ever carry the load he'd just take Betts touches and actually open the offense up to better sustain drives anyway to play with a lead for Ivory to hold.

 

[cvnpoka]

So what is his schedule? Enter Dr. Bramel, who predicted that he would be out until week 8. Source: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2010/1...2ndopinion6.php

and

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nor/blogs

Okay, so if he was scheduled to be out till week 8

first link is a dude who watched the game.2nd link is completely useless. perhaps its hidden somewhere on there that he was "scheduled to be out till week 8" but im not gonna parse thru 12 article/blogs.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

All right I'll come down off my perch and I'll even supply some links (I haven't had to list sources since high school). First Sean Payton stated he was behind schedule. Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playe...9/pierre-thomas

So what is his schedule? Enter Dr. Bramel, who predicted that he would be out until week 8. Source: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2010/1...2ndopinion6.php

and

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nor/blogs

Okay, so if he was scheduled to be out till week 8 and he is behind schedule, that got me thinking week 9. Week 9 got me thinking about the bye (week 10). I admit this is flimsy but this is where my speculation started (well, in reality, I had this feeling and looked this up with this when I was asked for links - it was just luck that it was the first two that I looked at). I have not seen anything that P.T. is close to playing, let alone practicing. I guess this topic causes some anxiety in the masses, as it should, but take my opinion for what it is - an opinion.

**Disclosure**

I am a Thomas owner and now an Ivory owner, too. My desire was to start a thread, where ideas could be exchanged, with the hopes of creating a logical path to divining the future. I don't know if he is still wearing a boot but someone in my last thread knew. I don't know if he is practicing but someone in my last thread knew. I don't know if he is even attending practice or riding an exercise bike, I was hoping that this might get discussed. He has been injured every year he has been in the league (sorry no sources on this one, going on memory), is he a fast healer? Seems to me all his injuries have been at the end of the season, so I don't have any feel on how long he would of sat out. Would Payton bring him back to face the Steelers? Seems to me he would only do this if he is running back fodder, like a kick returner. It also seems to me that he is an important piece to the offense to risk an injury when there is a block of free rest coming up. I understand in the NFL two games can make a season; but if he is not 100% for PIT and it is plausible they can glide by CAR, why risk it? It seems a little hard for me to believe that if I start a thread with a question, that I have to provide all the answers to it, with proof. If I knew all the answers, why the hell would I be asking the questions? As far as speculating on a previous thread, I had one, it had 186 post on it and started to drift off topic. Since I personally don't enjoy the exercise of scrolling through pages to find the current posts, I thought I would concentrate the topic and start a new thread. If you rather, here is the link to the old thread, from the beginning:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...558740&st=0

I will go and find all the facts on P. Thomas I can find (no small task, since my internet surfing skills a pretty sophomoric) and I'll share it here; but I have to admit, I was hoping to find it here.

Good stuff after the disclosure. I can see your points and I am rooting for your gut to be right. But again, all the information you have provided in your links has already been seen in the Ivory and Thomas threads, where a lot, and I mean a lot of people discuss them with every snipet under sun. You might find joining one of those discussions to be what you are looking for.

I like where this discussion could go, even if it is HONDA. But I recommend that you take up Futz's suggestion and change the title to something like, "My Gut tells me Ivory is the starter till week 11 and here's why" Your title will continue to upset some folks that come to the SP to glance over the threads looking for breaking news. I don't mean to discourage your posting, as I think you bring something to the SP. But in choosing to start a thread, you have to first do a search to make sure it's not been already started (or HONDA). Next, you have to make sure that if you are bringing news, it has a unique source, and finally that it is not a vieled attempt at a question asking for advice on how to manage your own FF team.

 

[cvnpoka]

I don't know if he is still wearing a boot but someone in my last thread knew. I don't know if he is practicing but someone in my last thread knew.

hmm, perhaps your last thread would be a good place to look "create a logical path to divining the future." ya kno, since there is so much pertinent info already there.

Seems to me all his injuries have been at the end of the season

he sprained his knee last preseason and missed the first 2 games of the season. he was active the 3rd game but had no carries. it did seem to take longer than initially disclosed by the coaching staff to heal.im pretty sure he came back from an ankle sprain midseason in college but im too lazy to (re)look it up now.

but if he is not 100% for PIT and it is plausible they can glide by CAR, why risk it?

this was the line of thinking on this board previous to the arizona game. everyone said "lololo ezpz win, no reason to play him." then (results oriented to be sure) ladell betts fumbled the game away. ofc, in retrospect, sure seems they woulda benefited from a hobbled, but effective player.when he is healthy he will play again, that i am sure of. doesnt matter the opponent. its the nfl, any given sunday, blah blah blah cliche.

 

[shredhead]

All right I'll come down off my perch and I'll even supply some links (I haven't had to list sources since high school). First Sean Payton stated he was behind schedule. Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playe...9/pierre-thomas

So what is his schedule? Enter Dr. Bramel, who predicted that he would be out until week 8. Source: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2010/1...2ndopinion6.php

and

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nor/blogs

Okay, so if he was scheduled to be out till week 8 and he is behind schedule, that got me thinking week 9. Week 9 got me thinking about the bye (week 10). I admit this is flimsy but this is where my speculation started (well, in reality, I had this feeling and looked this up with this when I was asked for links - it was just luck that it was the first two that I looked at). I have not seen anything that P.T. is close to playing, let alone practicing. I guess this topic causes some anxiety in the masses, as it should, but take my opinion for what it is - an opinion.

**Disclosure**

I am a Thomas owner and now an Ivory owner, too. My desire was to start a thread, where ideas could be exchanged, with the hopes of creating a logical path to divining the future. I don't know if he is still wearing a boot but someone in my last thread knew. I don't know if he is practicing but someone in my last thread knew. I don't know if he is even attending practice or riding an exercise bike, I was hoping that this might get discussed. He has been injured every year he has been in the league (sorry no sources on this one, going on memory), is he a fast healer? Seems to me all his injuries have been at the end of the season, so I don't have any feel on how long he would of sat out. Would Payton bring him back to face the Steelers? Seems to me he would only do this if he is running back fodder, like a kick returner. It also seems to me that he is an important piece to the offense to risk an injury when there is a block of free rest coming up. I understand in the NFL two games can make a season; but if he is not 100% for PIT and it is plausible they can glide by CAR, why risk it? It seems a little hard for me to believe that if I start a thread with a question, that I have to provide all the answers to it, with proof. If I knew all the answers, why the hell would I be asking the questions? As far as speculating on a previous thread, I had one, it had 186 post on it and started to drift off topic. Since I personally don't enjoy the exercise of scrolling through pages to find the current posts, I thought I would concentrate the topic and start a new thread. If you rather, here is the link to the old thread, from the beginning:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...558740&st=0

I will go and find all the facts on P. Thomas I can find (no small task, since my internet surfing skills a pretty sophomoric) and I'll share it here; but I have to admit, I was hoping to find it here.

New threads are refreshing. Some Hondas are good. I hate sorting through 186 post threads as well.

 

[pittstownkiller]

and you couldnt put this post in the existing pierre thomas thread(s). do you really think it is such a perceptive observation, analysis and question that it deserves its own stand alone thread? i mean, i dont. but i guess you think that highly of yourself.

You and I seem to be butting heads quite frequently lately. I don't know how highly I think of myself but I certainly don't think lowly of myself. I might be wrong but I just didn't think that a thread started on Sept. 26 2010, at 10:16 PM, needed to continue. I mean at some point when you e-mail, don't you just start new one or are you the guy that send all the correspondence associated with the e-mail in perpetuity? Sorry I wasted so much of your precious time in opening what was obviously a Pierre Thomas thread, when you have already read all there was to know about him, because all the other threads contain all the information, and covers all the questions, one could possibly ever need. My question to you, is why did you open it? It wasn't like it had a headline saying "teenage girls inside". Another question; if you have gone over all the P. Thomas info that ever needed to be shared, enlighten me, please, I could use it. Part of my problem is that when I search for a current thread I get "your search has returned over 1000 results" and some have nothing to do with the topic I searched for. I freely admit this probably has more to do with me, than the search engine but I'm just trying to get some answers. I guess if I was as all-knowing, such as yourself, and as dutifully organized, I would be able to call up all the threads I needed to and only post my displeasure at those not being as wonderfully prepared as I. Considering you have most likely never met me, it is great that you project that I "think that highly" of myself; you must have had one hell of a "perceptive observation" there.

 

[cvnpoka]

My question to you, is why did you open it?

bc the title made it seem that there was info that pierre would not be back until after the bye.

Another question; if you have gone over all the P. Thomas info that ever needed to be shared, enlighten me, please, I could use it.

pierre said that it was initially diagnosed as a 4-6 week injury. the game tomorrow, vs the browns, would mark 4 weeks. 6 weeks would be the game at carolina in week 9. peyton has allowed that the injury is taking a bit longer to heal. so does that shift it to 5-7 weeks, or maybe 6-8 weeks? i dont know, no one does. we can guess and bicker all we want, but until a coach, player or doctor adds some information we are in the dark. me, i am hoping he is back for week 9. i am preparing for him to be out the year.

 

[pittstownkiller]

My question to you, is why did you open it?

bc the title made it seem that there was info that pierre would not be back until after the bye.

Another question; if you have gone over all the P. Thomas info that ever needed to be shared, enlighten me, please, I could use it.

pierre said that it was initially diagnosed as a 4-6 week injury. the game tomorrow, vs the browns, would mark 4 weeks. 6 weeks would be the game at carolina in week 9. peyton has allowed that the injury is taking a bit longer to heal. so does that shift it to 5-7 weeks, or maybe 6-8 weeks? i dont know, no one does. we can guess and bicker all we want, but until a coach, player or doctor adds some information we are in the dark. me, i am hoping he is back for week 9. i am preparing for him to be out the year.

Peace, brother. Everything that you wrote as far as the quotes to Thomas and Payton, I didn't know, thank you. Initially I never heard anyone saying that it would take four to six weeks but that is why I'm here, to see if I missed anything. To me, and this is only me, week 9 means week 11; then if Bush is back there might not be the rush to get him on the field. I'm afraid that I can see your point about him being out for the year (at least the fantasy year). One last thing, besides the car, what the hell does HONDA mean?

 

[Black]

I just burned a contract year on Ivory since I was counting alot on PT in my dynasty league and got worried that 4 weeks in to the 'non' high ankle sprain that we haven't seen him practice.

My concerns are that most of what I have read has talked about 'the swelling is just now going down' and he hasn't practiced yet (sorry, no links).

It also looks like Reggie Bush might be back first, plus Ivory ran really well last week.

I don't love the PIT matchup week 8, and think the game @CAR week 9 is manageable without him. I personally don't see him being rushed back anytime soon. If he suits up before the BYE, I bet he doesn't get 5 touches.

If you see 1) full week of practice 2) JJones and/or Betts cut, I think you expect him to get back to 10+ touches. I do think he's lost his GL and short-yardage duties to Ivory for the rest of the year. It's not really his strength anyway.

 

[cvnpoka]

yes i do think he will lose some of his role to ivory, even if/when, he gets healthy. certainly some goal line carries too. i doubt he loses all gl opps tho. the saints have packages they run for certain plays. its clear they like pierre in certain formations. reggie bush too. my initial projections had pierre and bush splitting the gl (ie inside the 5) work.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Okay I'm with all of you on your speculations. What is P.T.'s contract status (I did look for it but I have already referenced my surfing capabilities), I thought that I read he is only signed through this year. Does this make Ivory (depending on his play) a viable dynasty pick-up ?

 

[thatguythere]

All right I'll come down off my perch and I'll even supply some links (I haven't had to list sources since high school). First Sean Payton stated he was behind schedule. Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playe...9/pierre-thomas

So what is his schedule? Enter Dr. Bramel, who predicted that he would be out until week 8. Source: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2010/1...2ndopinion6.php

and

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nor/blogs

Okay, so if he was scheduled to be out till week 8 and he is behind schedule, that got me thinking week 9. Week 9 got me thinking about the bye (week 10). I admit this is flimsy but this is where my speculation started (well, in reality, I had this feeling and looked this up with this when I was asked for links - it was just luck that it was the first two that I looked at). I have not seen anything that P.T. is close to playing, let alone practicing. I guess this topic causes some anxiety in the masses, as it should, but take my opinion for what it is - an opinion.

**Disclosure**

I am a Thomas owner and now an Ivory owner, too. My desire was to start a thread, where ideas could be exchanged, with the hopes of creating a logical path to divining the future. I don't know if he is still wearing a boot but someone in my last thread knew. I don't know if he is practicing but someone in my last thread knew. I don't know if he is even attending practice or riding an exercise bike, I was hoping that this might get discussed. He has been injured every year he has been in the league (sorry no sources on this one, going on memory), is he a fast healer? Seems to me all his injuries have been at the end of the season, so I don't have any feel on how long he would of sat out. Would Payton bring him back to face the Steelers? Seems to me he would only do this if he is running back fodder, like a kick returner. It also seems to me that he is an important piece to the offense to risk an injury when there is a block of free rest coming up. I understand in the NFL two games can make a season; but if he is not 100% for PIT and it is plausible they can glide by CAR, why risk it? It seems a little hard for me to believe that if I start a thread with a question, that I have to provide all the answers to it, with proof. If I knew all the answers, why the hell would I be asking the questions? As far as speculating on a previous thread, I had one, it had 186 post on it and started to drift off topic. Since I personally don't enjoy the exercise of scrolling through pages to find the current posts, I thought I would concentrate the topic and start a new thread. If you rather, here is the link to the old thread, from the beginning:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...558740&st=0

I will go and find all the facts on P. Thomas I can find (no small task, since my internet surfing skills a pretty sophomoric) and I'll share it here; but I have to admit, I was hoping to find it here.

New threads are refreshing. Some Hondas are good. I hate sorting through 186 post threads as well.

There's gotta be some rule about using all those.....

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

If you don't like the thread stay the #### out of it. tia

 

[ldizzle]

I just assumed everybody was in agreement that he wasnt coming back until after the bye? The timetable given puts him back at week 9 vs CAR. why rush it and bring him back for a game they could easily win without him.? so that leaves us at a week 10 bye and hopefully coming back.

 

[Young 8]

Okay I'm with all of you on your speculations. What is P.T.'s contract status (I did look for it but I have already referenced my surfing capabilities), I thought that I read he is only signed through this year. Does this make Ivory (depending on his play) a viable dynasty pick-up ?

YesandOf Course

 

[pittstownkiller]

More speculation here: Does today's loss make his return more pressing, as in playing even if he is still hurt? Something has got to give if NOR is going to struggle in games they should win.

 

[cvnpoka]

i dont think todays loss has any bearing on when he returns. as it has always been, he will return when he is capable. ie, he aint gonna play before he is ready, and he sure as sht aint gonna sit out when hes ready. when he is ready, is anyones guess at this point (well, anyone other than him, his coaches and his drs; they likely know)

 

[pittstownkiller]

i dont think todays loss has any bearing on when he returns. as it has always been, he will return when he is capable. ie, he aint gonna play before he is ready, and he sure as sht aint gonna sit out when hes ready. when he is ready, is anyones guess at this point (well, anyone other than him, his coaches and his drs; they likely know)

I follow you and I have also heard the information that P.T. is in the doghouse. P.T. benching himself would not make much sense. I still feel that there is going to be more pressure on him in NOR to get back on the field but this is conjecture. I did not see the game today, did Ivory perform badly or was he a victim of an early blow-out?

 

[cvnpoka]

ivory was the victim of an underrated defense and team. he certainly had his opportunities and they tried to establish him. he had 15 carries, right in line with most projections, including my own. i started him over roy williams and lance moore and shockey in ppr. yawn. if you told me before the game he would get 15 carries i would gamboool on it.

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

Pierre Thomas admitted Sunday that he still has no timetable to return from his high ankle sprain.

"I'm still hurt," he said. "My ankle still bothers me. That's what's frustrating to me. I don't know when it's going to heal."

 

[Astangi]

Fwiw, I was never put off by the title or the thread being speculative. 90% of this forum is speculative, for crying out loud. PT's injury and timetable have been shrouded in mystery for weeks...that's certainly enough empirical evidence to speculate on him being out a few weeks longer, especially with a bye looming.

With Bush coming back, I for one would be interested in actually hearing what people *speculatively* think about the roles of Ivory and Bush for the next couple weeks.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Fwiw, I was never put off by the title or the thread being speculative. 90% of this forum is speculative, for crying out loud. PT's injury and timetable have been shrouded in mystery for weeks...that's certainly enough empirical evidence to speculate on him being out a few weeks longer, especially with a bye looming.

With Bush coming back, I for one would be interested in actually hearing what people *speculatively* think about the roles of Ivory and Bush for the next couple weeks.

Now that I have a partner in crime when it comes to speculating, this is what I think:Even though on the NFL recap that I heard they were saying NOR will continue to struggle without Bush, I always thought that NOR believes that their running game lies with Thomas. I would also have to believe that NOR thought it was going to win yesterday, that they would win against CAR before the bye, and probably would lose against PIT; not a bad run to limp into the bye and get people healthy. I think that the loss yesterday upsets this plan and presses them to play guys less than 100%. If they lose next week, it puts the CAR as a must win, with all hands on deck. Unless someone cannot go (like wearing a cast), I would expect them to suit up. If I was a coach and knew that guys who might of sat out till after the bye are now going to play, I would also look at them for the PIT game. I also believe that P.T. won't touch the field without at least practicing, to see how viable he is, regardless of what Payton has said. When all three are playing (Bush, Ivory, and Thomas), I expect Thomas to see the ball the most (depending on how healthy he is), with Ivory spelling him, and Bush on the outside receiving passes and special team work. If Bush comes back before Thomas, I expect Ivory to get the brunt of the carries with Bush opening things up for him. I still don't know for sure what Thomas' contract status is but if it is just for this year they are going to have to let Ivory touch the ball, to see what they have. Thomas' contract may also come into letting him play hurt. If Thomas practices, even partially, from the beginning of the week, he'll play enough on Sunday to make him worth a start (how well he does, I don't know), if he practices only at the end of the week, I think he will be limited. I seem to have a recollection that Thomas, when he does return from an injury usually does pretty well; but PIT (if it is next week) will have something to say about that. I know that everything I said here is 100% speculative and I have no facts to support any of my conclusions, if reading it angers you (for whatever reason), I'm sorry. Most of what I do in fantasy football is based on speculation; mine and, when I can get them, others. I hope that others will chime in and tell me why I'm right, wrong, or add different scenarios. When I read enough theories on a subject it allows me to make a decision that I can be comfortable with, whether or not it turns out for the best.

 

[Da Guru]

Pierre Thomas admitted Sunday that he still has no timetable to return from his high ankle sprain.

"I'm still hurt," he said. "My ankle still bothers me. That's what's frustrating to me. I don't know when it's going to heal."

If you saw the replay of the injury it would not be shocking if Thomas was out for the year. At least the FF year.