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Orange is the New Black - Netflix series (1 Viewer)

I'm really starting to like the Crazy Eyes character.
The scene with Crazy Eyes and her parents coming to visit may have been the best scene in the entire season. So many questions after that! How is it that Crazy Eyes is the one we don't get a flashback for? I'd watch a whole episode just with her having dinner with her Mom and Dad. I'm absolutely fascinated by that dynamic, yet nothing came of it.
Agree. I thought that was a really good scene. I think the scenes with Crazy Eyes are usually very very good.

 
Can we openly post spoilers in here? Not sure how to post in spoiler tag on a mobile, but I have to assume four pages into a shows thread, that the ending can be openly discussed.

I really enjoyed this season, but didn't love it like some of you people did. There were too many contrivances and cartoonish characters to be an epic show.

Here are my gripes while watching the season:

Why exactly was Mendez smuggling in those drugs through the kitchen? What was he planning on getting from inmates for real drugs, it's not like they had real money to pay him for it, if it was for sexual favors, he seemed to get that with intimidation.

Alex Voss. Everything about her annoyed me, her acting, her mood swings that never seemed real to me, her horrible bottom teeth lol. I couldn't believe for a second that she would get upset with Piper for sticking with her fiance, RIGHT after Piper forgave her for ratting her out in plea deal. Just rang completely false.

I couldn't believe for a second that the ugliest chick in the Hispanic group, had not one but two officers fall madly in love with her. Also her plan to get Mendez in trouble for pregnancy never made sense, tests on dna would show that it wasn't his baby. There were many way ways out of her jam, she could have gotten a conjugal visit from someone and poof it's no problem.

I liked the woman in charge of prison, but she was a bit too over the top to be taken seriously. I also enjoyed watching Healy and his hatred for Chap, but that ending was totally unnecessary, he didn't have to come in to scene and the ending would have been just as powerful without ringing false.

Jason Biggs character got a bit boring after the first few episodes. The prison was way more interesting to me than his stupid problems with his loneliness.

These are the negatives, there were way way more positives, my favorites were, Crazy Eyes, Poussy and her funny friend, Chapman, Nicky, Red and the female officer who got choked.

 
I think a lot of what you mentioned is very valid, and honestly, if this were a normal cable show it would bother me much more. But rightly or wrongly, I have very different expectations for shows that are taking this Netflix approach. Probably "wrongly", if I'm being honest, as the distribution method shouldn't matter. But if I was watching this week to week, yeah I could see it not holding up as well.

 
Why exactly was Mendez smuggling in those drugs through the kitchen? What was he planning on getting from inmates for real drugs, it's not like they had real money to pay him for it, if it was for sexual favors, he seemed to get that with intimidation.
In the scene with Tricia, I believe he stated that someone "on the outside" paid her drug bill up to a point in the past. So presumably he's getting the real market rate.

 
I couldn't believe for a second that the ugliest chick in the Hispanic group, had not one but two officers fall madly in love with her. Also her plan to get Mendez in trouble for pregnancy never made sense, tests on dna would show that it wasn't his baby. There were many way ways out of her jam, she could have gotten a conjugal visit from someone and poof it's no problem.
Her plan was definitely contrived. They did not think through the DNA aspect completely, however, the thinking was that if she had a rape kit done by the medic right after intercourse, the semen would be tested and be Mendez's, so then they wouldn't think to test the baby 9 months later. However, there weren't really that many ways out of her jam. IIRC, conjugal visits are for married prisoners only, and solely at the warden's discretion. If anyone could get one, surely Larry and Piper would have had one by now. Her best shot was a visit outside the prison, but that failed.

 
Sarnoff said:
biggamer3 said:
I couldn't believe for a second that the ugliest chick in the Hispanic group, had not one but two officers fall madly in love with her. Also her plan to get Mendez in trouble for pregnancy never made sense, tests on dna would show that it wasn't his baby. There were many way ways out of her jam, she could have gotten a conjugal visit from someone and poof it's no problem.
Her plan was definitely contrived. They did not think through the DNA aspect completely, however, the thinking was that if she had a rape kit done by the medic right after intercourse, the semen would be tested and be Mendez's, so then they wouldn't think to test the baby 9 months later. However, there weren't really that many ways out of her jam. IIRC, conjugal visits are for married prisoners only, and solely at the warden's discretion. If anyone could get one, surely Larry and Piper would have had one by now. Her best shot was a visit outside the prison, but that failed.
yeah, wasnt sure about the Conjugal thing, but with the prison not even caring when there was a rape accusation against a guard who was caught having sex with an inmate, doubt they would have made a big fuss about a new inmate giving birth 10 months after being incarcerated or whatever. Either way, I was just rolling my eyes from the previous episode where Tricia OD'd and the prison warden never bothered to check over the video footage of her last minutes and seen Mendez force her to stay in that room. For a show that gets as much near unanimous praise as this show gets, these kinds of Dexter like plot contrivances are silly.

 
Sarnoff said:
biggamer3 said:
Why exactly was Mendez smuggling in those drugs through the kitchen? What was he planning on getting from inmates for real drugs, it's not like they had real money to pay him for it, if it was for sexual favors, he seemed to get that with intimidation.
In the scene with Tricia, I believe he stated that someone "on the outside" paid her drug bill up to a point in the past. So presumably he's getting the real market rate.
Yeah, so his golden plan was to have Tricia sell it to other inmates and have her keep a listing of who their outside contact was and all? Makes no sense, also wasnt Tricia homeless, doubt she had anyone paying hundreds or thousands of bucks for her prison drug habit.

 
Sarnoff said:
biggamer3 said:
I couldn't believe for a second that the ugliest chick in the Hispanic group, had not one but two officers fall madly in love with her. Also her plan to get Mendez in trouble for pregnancy never made sense, tests on dna would show that it wasn't his baby. There were many way ways out of her jam, she could have gotten a conjugal visit from someone and poof it's no problem.
Her plan was definitely contrived. They did not think through the DNA aspect completely, however, the thinking was that if she had a rape kit done by the medic right after intercourse, the semen would be tested and be Mendez's, so then they wouldn't think to test the baby 9 months later. However, there weren't really that many ways out of her jam. IIRC, conjugal visits are for married prisoners only, and solely at the warden's discretion. If anyone could get one, surely Larry and Piper would have had one by now. Her best shot was a visit outside the prison, but that failed.
yeah, wasnt sure about the Conjugal thing, but with the prison not even caring when there was a rape accusation against a guard who was caught having sex with an inmate, doubt they would have made a big fuss about a new inmate giving birth 10 months after being incarcerated or whatever. Either way, I was just rolling my eyes from the previous episode where Tricia OD'd and the prison warden never bothered to check over the video footage of her last minutes and seen Mendez force her to stay in that room. For a show that gets as much near unanimous praise as this show gets, these kinds of Dexter like plot contrivances are silly.
Oh, for sure, the lack of video cameras in this prison always seems to strain disbelief. I get that they say "well, we're underfunded, so we don't have any", but, to me, that's just handwaving at an obvious problem the writers have chosen to ignore. It somewhat reminds me of watching Seinfeld reruns, when you realize every episode would be 3 minutes long if they all had cellphones.

 
Oh, for sure, the lack of video cameras in this prison always seems to strain disbelief. I get that they say "well, we're underfunded, so we don't have any", but, to me, that's just handwaving at an obvious problem the writers have chosen to ignore. It somewhat reminds me of watching Seinfeld reruns, when you realize every episode would be 3 minutes long if they all had cellphones.
Seinfeld ran from 1989-1998, cell phones didn't really become extremely commonplace until 1997/98. You may as well have said that the bar in Cheers should've had more flatscreens.
 
Sarnoff said:
biggamer3 said:
Why exactly was Mendez smuggling in those drugs through the kitchen? What was he planning on getting from inmates for real drugs, it's not like they had real money to pay him for it, if it was for sexual favors, he seemed to get that with intimidation.
In the scene with Tricia, I believe he stated that someone "on the outside" paid her drug bill up to a point in the past. So presumably he's getting the real market rate.
Yeah, so his golden plan was to have Tricia sell it to other inmates and have her keep a listing of who their outside contact was and all? Makes no sense, also wasnt Tricia homeless, doubt she had anyone paying hundreds or thousands of bucks for her prison drug habit.
I've always wondered about how people pay for drugs in prison, but they obviously have some kind of way to get it done.

 
Sarnoff said:
biggamer3 said:
I couldn't believe for a second that the ugliest chick in the Hispanic group, had not one but two officers fall madly in love with her. Also her plan to get Mendez in trouble for pregnancy never made sense, tests on dna would show that it wasn't his baby. There were many way ways out of her jam, she could have gotten a conjugal visit from someone and poof it's no problem.
Her plan was definitely contrived. They did not think through the DNA aspect completely, however, the thinking was that if she had a rape kit done by the medic right after intercourse, the semen would be tested and be Mendez's, so then they wouldn't think to test the baby 9 months later. However, there weren't really that many ways out of her jam. IIRC, conjugal visits are for married prisoners only, and solely at the warden's discretion. If anyone could get one, surely Larry and Piper would have had one by now. Her best shot was a visit outside the prison, but that failed.
DNA tests may have proved it was not his baby but his semen in her constitutes rape because she is a prisoner and cannot consent. Pornstache is done regardless and maybe Mexican chick doesn't push for paternity tests. :shrug:

 
Sarnoff said:
biggamer3 said:
Why exactly was Mendez smuggling in those drugs through the kitchen? What was he planning on getting from inmates for real drugs, it's not like they had real money to pay him for it, if it was for sexual favors, he seemed to get that with intimidation.
In the scene with Tricia, I believe he stated that someone "on the outside" paid her drug bill up to a point in the past. So presumably he's getting the real market rate.
Yeah, so his golden plan was to have Tricia sell it to other inmates and have her keep a listing of who their outside contact was and all? Makes no sense, also wasnt Tricia homeless, doubt she had anyone paying hundreds or thousands of bucks for her prison drug habit.
Don't think hard drugs are circulating through prisons everywhere for snickers' bars. People outside pay the debts. Don't imagine it's easy but a loyal clientele.

 
There isn't a show out there that doesn't have stupid things going on, but this is an entertaining and interesting look at a unique topic, so I'm down with it.

 
There isn't a show out there that doesn't have stupid things going on, but this is an entertaining and interesting look at a unique topic, so I'm down with it.
of course, even Breaking Bad had some incredibly hard to believe things happen like Train episode, but as viewers we tend to pick out the logical flaws of the shows we really like. I enjoyed this show and would for sure watch future seasons. The only thing that really bothered me was Healy allowing Chapman to possibly get killed, no matter what happened between the two of them, that was asinine to believe he would resort to that.

 
biggamer3 said:
There isn't a show out there that doesn't have stupid things going on, but this is an entertaining and interesting look at a unique topic, so I'm down with it.
of course, even Breaking Bad had some incredibly hard to believe things happen like Train episode, but as viewers we tend to pick out the logical flaws of the shows we really like. I enjoyed this show and would for sure watch future seasons. The only thing that really bothered me was Healy allowing Chapman to possibly get killed, no matter what happened between the two of them, that was asinine to believe he would resort to that.
I totally bought it. That guy had some serious issues.

 
I finished the first season last week, and I really enjoyed it. I would recommend the show to anyone. I'm looking forward to the next season, although it will certainly be a shame if Laura Prepon does not return as a regular.

 
I'm probably in the minority, but Laura Prepons character was one of my least favorite characters. I found many other characters more enjoyable.

 
Just watched the first episode, I don't want to read too far into the thread. But I'll keep watching, hoping for more of the chick from That 70s show. Solid first episode and I have high hopes for the rest.

 
3 episodes in and enjoying it quite a bit. My wife is hooked. Love the Red character. I also love how they subtely say why each person was in jail. The tranny episode made me a little uncomfortable. What a loving wife h/she had.

 
3 episodes in and enjoying it quite a bit. My wife is hooked. Love the Red character. I also love how they subtely say why each person was in jail. The tranny episode made me a little uncomfortable. What a loving wife h/she had.
I thought Sophia's wife was great. Some great acting in the little they gave her to do.

 
Wow. That's a pretty major blow. Alex' chemistry with Piper was so great for the show, and her scenes with Nicky were great too.

I wonder what the reason is. It's hard for me to imagine Pepron having something bigger going on right now.
Like Downton Abbey don't understand why these actors can just walk. SNL is notorious for long contracts that don't pay all that much. Although I do imagine they pay a more then Netflix. These shows are a bolt of lightning to these actors. Not saying it should be the 1950's again where they are stuck forever but how do you manage to get out after one season?

A hundred actresses could have done Pepron's part. She was no draw. Schilling, the lead, was basically a nobody before this.

Feels odd to be sticking up for the production company. Must be something to it. But in the meantime Downton Abbey is ravaged and now the foil in this show is gone. Due to no-name actors not being under contract. It's just odd.

 
I'm probably in the minority, but Laura Prepons character was one of my least favorite characters. I found many other characters more enjoyable.
this plus 100. I seriously loved almost every single character on the show with the exception of Alex. She just came off so fake to me as if she was trying too hard in her acting. Either way her story is basically over from Piper's perspective, dont want any more silly drama with Piper having to choose between Fiance and the woman who snitched on her.

 
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I'm probably in the minority, but Laura Prepons character was one of my least favorite characters. I found many other characters more enjoyable.
this plus 100. I seriously loved almost every single character on the show with the exception of Alex. She just came off so fake to me as if she was trying too hard in her acting. Either way her story is basically over from Piper's perspective, dont want any more silly drama with Piper having to choose between Fiance and the woman who snitched on her.
Alex by herself isn't all that interesting, but her intetactions with Piper were great.

 
Like Downton Abbey don't understand why these actors can just walk. SNL is notorious for long contracts that don't pay all that much. Although I do imagine they pay a more then Netflix. These shows are a bolt of lightning to these actors. Not saying it should be the 1950's again where they are stuck forever but how do you manage to get out after one season?A hundred actresses could have done Pepron's part. She was no draw. Schilling, the lead, was basically a nobody before this.

Feels odd to be sticking up for the production company. Must be something to it. But in the meantime Downton Abbey is ravaged and now the foil in this show is gone. Due to no-name actors not being under contract. It's just odd.
Netflix probably couldn't afford to offer multi-year guaranteed-option contracts to "name" actors like Laura Prepon. If she got a network show offer, she'd have to be able to walk or they never would have landed her in the first place. You say she's not "a draw", but she's an established actor. She was on 2 years of the ABC drama that followed Grey's Anatomy, then she was the lead & title character of an NBC sitcom last season. OitNB helped her career even more, and I imagine she has even better offers now.

Most network dramas sign cast for 4 or 5 years of consecutive 1-year options. I don't know how BBC or SNL do theirs. But I can't imagine anyone's agent allowing them to sign their best career years away for multiple seasons of a low-budget (compared to network) internet TV show.

 
Like Downton Abbey don't understand why these actors can just walk. SNL is notorious for long contracts that don't pay all that much. Although I do imagine they pay a more then Netflix. These shows are a bolt of lightning to these actors. Not saying it should be the 1950's again where they are stuck forever but how do you manage to get out after one season?A hundred actresses could have done Pepron's part. She was no draw. Schilling, the lead, was basically a nobody before this.

Feels odd to be sticking up for the production company. Must be something to it. But in the meantime Downton Abbey is ravaged and now the foil in this show is gone. Due to no-name actors not being under contract. It's just odd.
Netflix probably couldn't afford to offer multi-year guaranteed-option contracts to "name" actors like Laura Prepon. If she got a network show offer, she'd have to be able to walk or they never would have landed her in the first place. You say she's not "a draw", but she's an established actor. She was on 2 years of the ABC drama that followed Grey's Anatomy, then she was the lead & title character of an NBC sitcom last season. OitNB helped her career even more, and I imagine she has even better offers now.

Most network dramas sign cast for 4 or 5 years of consecutive 1-year options. I don't know how BBC or SNL do theirs. But I can't imagine anyone's agent allowing them to sign their best career years away for multiple seasons of a low-budget (compared to network) internet TV show.
Not sure about the budget for Orange but Netflix is right up there with any cable network. Cards was costing them about 50M, that is big league payments in the HBO range.

 
Finally finished and have to say i enjoyed it quite a bit. One dumb question. How come they let fred flinstone keep a dog in prison?

 
shadyridr said:
Finally finished and have to say i enjoyed it quite a bit. One dumb question. How come they let fred flinstone keep a dog in prison?
Never understood that either. I was thinking maybe the dog just visited, but I have no idea.

Great finish. You come at the Chapman, you best not miss.

 
Watched OITNB and it was alright. Started watching House of Cards and I'm absolutely loving it. Great writing.

It got me thinking, though - how is Netflix making any money on it? They aren't selling ad space in the show, and the budget has to be a pretty big number with a guy like Spacey doing it. Is Netflix getting enough subscribers coming in just for that show to offset it's cost? I understand they are likely also getting product placement money (Apple and the like), but I don't see a lot of that and I'm actually looking to find them.

 
Watched OITNB and it was alright. Started watching House of Cards and I'm absolutely loving it. Great writing.

It got me thinking, though - how is Netflix making any money on it? They aren't selling ad space in the show, and the budget has to be a pretty big number with a guy like Spacey doing it. Is Netflix getting enough subscribers coming in just for that show to offset it's cost? I understand they are likely also getting product placement money (Apple and the like), but I don't see a lot of that and I'm actually looking to find them.
The more people subscribe to watch these shows, the more money they make. That being said theyre probably losing a ton of money right now. Its an investment

 
Watched OITNB and it was alright. Started watching House of Cards and I'm absolutely loving it. Great writing.

It got me thinking, though - how is Netflix making any money on it? They aren't selling ad space in the show, and the budget has to be a pretty big number with a guy like Spacey doing it. Is Netflix getting enough subscribers coming in just for that show to offset it's cost? I understand they are likely also getting product placement money (Apple and the like), but I don't see a lot of that and I'm actually looking to find them.
The more people subscribe to watch these shows, the more money they make. That being said theyre probably losing a ton of money right now. Its an investment
That's what I'm thinking. Who's subscribing to Netflix just for these shows? I'm subscribing because of the hundreds or thousands of others, and did so even before they had their own shows. I'm loving the extra show that I'm getting (and loving) for no additional money - I'm just trying to figure out what's in it for them.

 
Watched OITNB and it was alright. Started watching House of Cards and I'm absolutely loving it. Great writing.

It got me thinking, though - how is Netflix making any money on it? They aren't selling ad space in the show, and the budget has to be a pretty big number with a guy like Spacey doing it. Is Netflix getting enough subscribers coming in just for that show to offset it's cost? I understand they are likely also getting product placement money (Apple and the like), but I don't see a lot of that and I'm actually looking to find them.
The more people subscribe to watch these shows, the more money they make. That being said theyre probably losing a ton of money right now. Its an investment
That's what I'm thinking. Who's subscribing to Netflix just for these shows? I'm subscribing because of the hundreds or thousands of others, and did so even before they had their own shows. I'm loving the extra show that I'm getting (and loving) for no additional money - I'm just trying to figure out what's in it for them.
Sounds like theyre eeping the customer happy. :thumbup:

 
Watched OITNB and it was alright. Started watching House of Cards and I'm absolutely loving it. Great writing.

It got me thinking, though - how is Netflix making any money on it? They aren't selling ad space in the show, and the budget has to be a pretty big number with a guy like Spacey doing it. Is Netflix getting enough subscribers coming in just for that show to offset it's cost? I understand they are likely also getting product placement money (Apple and the like), but I don't see a lot of that and I'm actually looking to find them.
The more people subscribe to watch these shows, the more money they make. That being said theyre probably losing a ton of money right now. Its an investment
That's what I'm thinking. Who's subscribing to Netflix just for these shows? I'm subscribing because of the hundreds or thousands of others, and did so even before they had their own shows. I'm loving the extra show that I'm getting (and loving) for no additional money - I'm just trying to figure out what's in it for them.
Its gonna take time and alot more shows. Theyre trying to start a whole new format for tv shows. As word of mouth increases about these shows more and more people will subscribe. At least thats their plan. Maybe people wont sign up for just two shows but eventually when they have 10 new shows and word of mouth starts getting out that these shows are great the subscriber list will expand dramatically.

 

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