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The two best threads on the board are the ponies and the Instagram models. 

Your work is appreciated, and you're a friend. 

Don't leave before we get to have that drink in NY sometime. 

Peace, bro. 

-RA

 
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And here I was...all set to change my handle to: 

Man of Conquered Sorrow

...and then I read about this. ?

Ixnay on the hangecay.

Otb...good man, good friend & good gams to boot. ? 

I understand and respect the decision, but my selfish side really hopes to see you back soon.

Also, I could finally get around to cleaning the carb on my F-15 so we all could catch some light again b4 a bourbon blow out in the city. ?

And finally, if you had not pulled me from the pond after my sled broke through the ice when we were kids...well...life just wouldn't have been so wonderful. 
 

Thanks again bro!!

 
DId something happen or was it over the hot threads?
Over the Instagram banning. 

I suppose with the recent music draft banning and the subsequent banning of female threads, I'll be around little longer. It seems stupid to support a religious zealot when I'm 44, possess an IQ <140, and just generally don't care about PC outlooks on life. 

I'm about to go the same way, just need another outlet. This is boring.  

 
Really, once my friends are leaving the board, it's time to consider it.  

I certainly know there's no subscription this year.  We've got a Neo-conspiracy theory guy running the site and can't discuss women. 

That seems nuts to me, and is.  

 
Over the Instagram banning. 

I suppose with the recent music draft banning and the subsequent banning of female threads, I'll be around little longer. It seems stupid to support a religious zealot when I'm 44, possess an IQ <140, and just generally don't care about PC outlooks on life. 

I'm about to go the same way, just need another outlet. This is boring.  
Well  I would certainly miss you...was that less than sign a typo?  Also as I have said before, I don't see it as being PC- just respectful. The removal of beautiful women over 50 thread was ridiculous IMO. The yoga pants one mostly as well since 90% of the picures there were being posted with the intention of impressing people with their butts. It was only the Hottest threads that I thought were particularly bad. I know Krista (one of our few female members) didn't care for them. So as a matter of respect to her alone, I don't have an issue with those going. 

Really, once my friends are leaving the board, it's time to consider it.  

I certainly know there's no subscription this year.  We've got a Neo-conspiracy theory guy running the site and can't discuss women. 

That seems nuts to me, and is.  
Odd that at the same time, one key figure of the board is being called a Neo-conspiracy theorist and another has been called an alt-right conspiracy theorist. 

 
Definitely. It takes a high level of posting to create enjoyable threads, something the otb_lifer knew. It was questionable to cheapen his departure with shtick.

 
Well  I would certainly miss you...was that less than sign a typo?  Also as I have said before, I don't see it as being PC- just respectful. The removal of beautiful women over 50 thread was ridiculous IMO. The yoga pants one mostly as well since 90% of the picures there were being posted with the intention of impressing people with their butts. It was only the Hottest threads that I thought were particularly bad. I know Krista (one of our few female members) didn't care for them. So as a matter of respect to her alone, I don't have an issue with those going. 

Odd that at the same time, one key figure of the board is being called a Neo-conspiracy theorist and another has been called an alt-right conspiracy theorist. 
Thanks, same here. It's the people that keep me coming back, not the policies.

As for Dodds, I consider him a conspiracy guy regardless, and it's not a good look. Whether he is Neo- or alt-right is of no import. I think Pizzagate and the subsequent insistence upon it was a tad off, and I even defended him. We all have lapses in judgment.  

I didn't like the who's hottest stuff, either. Especially the candids. I think, knowing me, you could see that. I voiced dissent several times.  

I have no problem with IG or yoga because they're paid models or else seeking to be paid models.  

This reminds me of a time in school when I asked the professor about bright lines and nuance and he said: "__, we draw lines. We're lawyers."

It would seem some wisdom in that respect would help here.  
 

 
Definitely. It takes a high level of posting to create enjoyable threads, something the otb_lifer knew. It was questionable to cheapen his departure with shtick.
No sweat. That's the standard refrain when someone, um, resigns. Yeah, sorry again. He was a friend to me when others weren't and I would hate to see him gone.  

I think he'd be happy knowing I was listening to the Kinks' Village Green Preservation Society as I was writing this. 

 
Thanks, same here. It's the people that keep me coming back, not the policies.

As for Dodds, I consider him a conspiracy guy regardless, and it's not a good look. Whether he is Neo- or alt-right is of no import. I think Pizzagate and the subsequent insistence upon it was a tad off, and I even defended him. We all have lapses in judgment.  

I didn't like the who's hottest stuff, either. Especially the candids. I think, knowing me, you could see that. I voiced dissent several times.  

I have no problem with IG or yoga because they're paid models or else seeking to be paid models.  

This reminds me of a time in school when I asked the professor about bright lines and nuance and he said: "__, we draw lines. We're lawyers."

It would seem some wisdom in that respect would help here.  
 
Right, that was always the line for me. The as for distasteful comments made in the IG /yoga threads, that should be policed individually just like any other thread IMO. But like you said, the reason I come is for the people and the interesting discussions.

 
A music thread was axed?
For about a for a day or two. Dead rock stars music draft got axed for a Monty Python joke the day after the Vegas shooting happened. It was understandable, but we lobbied and got it reinstated. By that point, people had dropped out. We were going to do it via PM, but Joe let it go after consideration. 

It's then that I considered moderation more seriously and the way it flows. I took out a thread about the music draft and the squeaky wheel got the grease in that instance. I don't suspect it will in this instance, but I'll miss otb should he have really left.  

 
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In fairness to Joe, it was the day of Tom Petty's death, too, and somebody did the "Not Dead Yet!" joke from Monty Python, and he thought it was too much after Vegas the day before. But it got me thinking about how much power the mods have over the community and that I didn't want to necessarily acquiesce to that. I'd gone from a completely unmoderated forum to this, and want to find a happy medium. 

 
There was one about Sex Drugs and Rock or something too that got the hook
Yep. It wasn't drugs, though. That got the hook before it could get going. That's a definitive statement. 

I'm tired of G rated #### in my world, frankly. If I didn't love the people here, I'd be gone.  

 
@Ilov80sI think my disagreement doesn't come from the objectification as much as comes from losing a friend who curated professional models being professional. I could lose the candids, too. I'm not sure they have a place. But to even verbally ban the 50's who's hot thread seems insane. It seems like a nod to a Commandment I no longer hold myself to. It's the covetous/lust one, by the way. 

I just...I have little time for this #### from people.  

 
There's a decent chance Joe's just on his annual morality bender and things will revert to a fairly normal way of life by July. I'll even admit the who's hottest threads had gotten a bit out of hand, so this is just JB's way of swinging the pendulum too far in the other direction. 

 
the way @otb_lifer explained it to me when he let me know he was leaving FBG, admin had censored him last year, many PMs were exchanged and he believed they had a tacit understanding of what was acceptable in future, whereupon he started the "In Praise of...." thread. the Purge violated that in his estimation, so....

 
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the way @otb_lifer explained it to me when he let me know he was leaving FBG, admin had censored him last year, many PMs were exchanged and he believed they had a tacit understanding of what was acceptable in future, whereupon he started the "In Praise of...." thread. the Purge violated that in his estimation, so....
what was he censored for?  

For the record, I"m a huge @otb_lifer guy and hope he doesn't go, what is the possible issue with him, guy is exactly the kind of person we need around here.

Stay OTB Stay!

 
This is not really true based on what she just posted.  All she said is that she cringed at a few comments which happens in almost any thread for any topic.  You can read her full thoughts here.  She clearly stated she was never offended by those threads..

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/766416-please-read-whos-hottest-type-threads-and-an-apology/?page=4#comment-21042221
Ok, fair. I know the topic came up in the past in totally unrelated thread. Maybe offended was the wrong word- but she definitely had negative things to say about them. Thanks for the link and in no way was I trying to mischaracterize her- just remembered the conversation poorly.

 
guy is exactly the kind of person we need around here.
truer words........

it was a 'hot chicks' thread that was zapped last yr. just said he had quite a few PMs with JB & he thought they understood each other. my sense is the failure to consult before the action was what convinced otb it was always going to be that way here and was the thing up with which he could not put. don't think he's coming back. we were hoping there might be oth:e:r options, but my first post there in over 5 yrs was hacked, so that's out. i'll miss him more than he'll know.

 
truer words........

it was a 'hot chicks' thread that was zapped last yr. just said he had quite a few PMs with JB & he thought they understood each other. my sense is the failure to consult before the action was what convinced otb it was always going to be that way here and was the thing up with which he could not put. don't think he's coming back. we were hoping there might be oth:e:r options, but my first post there in over 5 yrs was hacked, so that's out. i'll miss him more than he'll know.
:lmao: you know its absurd for these guys to act like they're running the church picnic while fantasy sports, however you dress up and clean it up, its basically gambling. 

The message board is the domain of the old now, we are all big boys and the girls seem ok, and I think people found a balance of not going over the top on NSFW stuff.  To solve a problem that didn't exist, I mean, who cares.   There have to be bigger fish to fry in this world

 
I had zero interaction with him, expect me posting a quasi-douchey animal ethics article in the horse racing thread, which was taken by him and others with much dignity.  That being said, I think he contributes to the culture of this message board as much as anyone and it would be a shame if he signs off.  I hope he comes back.

 
In fairness to Joe, it was the day of Tom Petty's death, too, and somebody did the "Not Dead Yet!" joke from Monty Python, and he thought it was too much after Vegas the day before. But it got me thinking about how much power the mods have over the community and that I didn't want to necessarily acquiesce to that. I'd gone from a completely unmoderated forum to this, and want to find a happy medium. 
Not to bring this back up too much, but if I remember correctly, I was the one who made the MP reference, but not related to Tom Petty's death, just on that day, related to someone else's post (I think Mrs. R). I apologized.

 
Not to bring this back up too much, but if I remember correctly, I was the one who made the MP reference, but not related to Tom Petty's death, just on that day, related to someone else's post (I think Mrs. R). I apologized.
Yup. I remember it, and you apologized. Don't mean to get the footing wrong. We smoothed it out -- I took out a thread like this and Eephus Pm'd Joe -- and you've taken the heat for an innocuous joke many times.   

This time? I just miss my friend should he be gone, per rumor.  :(

 
Yup. I remember it, and you apologized. Don't mean to get the footing wrong. We smoothed it out -- I took out a thread like this and Eephus Pm'd Joe -- and you've taken the heat for an innocuous joke many times.   

This time? I just miss my friend should he be gone, per rumor.  :(
It's too bad that it seems that people are leaving. Maybe a good T-Shirt Exchange will keep some around! :pickle:

 
It's too bad that it seems that people are leaving. Maybe a good T-Shirt Exchange will keep some around! :pickle:
I've heard the T-shirt exchange rules. Just don't live in area cool enough to justify being on the receiving end of cool t's. Anyway, it's a nice feature of the board. 

 
It's too bad that it seems that people are leaving. Maybe a good T-Shirt Exchange will keep some around! :pickle:
I've heard the T-shirt exchange rules. Just don't live in area cool enough to justify being on the receiving end of cool t's. Anyway, it's a nice feature of the board. 
Sometimes I will buy shirts on vacations, as long as I am going somewhere that the recipient doesn't live. I don't tend to go out locally to places with good shirts.

@kutta - Are we gonna do this this year? :wub: :tebow:

 
This is not really true based on what she just posted.  All she said is that she cringed at a few comments which happens in almost any thread for any topic.  You can read her full thoughts here.  She clearly stated she was never offended by those threads..

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/766416-please-read-whos-hottest-type-threads-and-an-apology/?page=4#comment-21042221
Ok, fair. I know the topic came up in the past in totally unrelated thread. Maybe offended was the wrong word- but she definitely had negative things to say about them. Thanks for the link and in no way was I trying to mischaracterize her- just remembered the conversation poorly.
:thumbup:   I appreciate your thoughts and the respect thrown my way.  Sometimes the direction those threads went was more than cringe-worthy, so you're not wrong that I didn't like them in some cases.  As one of the only women around here, it's to be expected that some of the discussions will border on offensiveness for me.  Rarely do they cross that line, though, and those that do tend to be in nature of insults to women, not objectification.  Discussions like the "oddly attractive" or "over 50" threads don't even come close.

It's my impression that the changes don't come from a desire to be PC so much as a desire to be puritanical and possibly paternalistic.  Probably the most offensive thing on this site to me is the fact that the word v a g i n a is censored (and penis is not).  It all goes into a larger bucket of shaming about women's bodies, as if they are to be hidden, and as if women need to be protected somehow from men's baser instincts.

Re otb, I'm really sorry to see him go, too.  He is gold in the movie and music threads.

 
:thumbup:   I appreciate your thoughts and the respect thrown my way.  Sometimes the direction those threads went was more than cringe-worthy, so you're not wrong that I didn't like them in some cases.  As one of the only women around here, it's to be expected that some of the discussions will border on offensiveness for me.  Rarely do they cross that line, though, and those that do tend to be in nature of insults to women, not objectification.  Discussions like the "oddly attractive" or "over 50" threads don't even come close.

It's my impression that the changes don't come from a desire to be PC so much as a desire to be puritanical and possibly paternalistic.  Probably the most offensive thing on this site to me is the fact that the word v a g i n a is censored (and penis is not).  It all goes into a larger bucket of shaming about women's bodies, as if they are to be hidden, and as if women need to be protected somehow from men's baser instincts.

Re otb, I'm really sorry to see him go, too.  He is gold in the movie and music threads.
I'd read your thoughts in the other thread and thought they deserved to stand on their own lest I comment on them. So I left them alone, as I did with most others. 

But I can't help myself: I also think that paternalism/puritanical impulses are driving this less than PC impulses are, but that both meet full circle at times.  

I do wish otb would come back. This isn't a mod lament -- I personally don't care about The Who's hottest threads and could take or leave them -- it's a friend lament.  

Come back to Bitburg, you galoot.  (My brain is hangin' upside down)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su0Hvt6hTmA

 

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