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I think I have my wife on board with some of these eating changes, which is great news for me.  We frequently aren't on the same page when it comes to diet and nutrition.  We still aren't completely so I'm hopeful to educate both of us a little more.

I know we've discussed many of these and I will try and research the threads and bump where appropriate but here are some food items where I'd like some of you knowledgeable folks to chime in:

- artificial sweetners - like Stevia

- butter

- yellow rice (saffron rice)

- sweet potatoes

- cheese (this is a big one for my wife - she loves cheese and I do too)

Other thoughts:

- I've cut out essentially all bread (thnkafully not a big fan anyway) - I'm coming around a little on white potatoes with all the information posted but I think the problem with them is how they get prepared most of the time.  The healthy potato recipes are great

- the brown vs. white rice conversation here was interesting - I only like yellow rice so this one is not a problem for me

- personally I'm trying to limit dairy as much as I can but that's more a personal choice - I could go without most dairy but do love cheese

- I know this one is obvious but I'll just reiterate it here - water, water, water.  I have had 2 glasses of unsweet tea with meals in the last 4 weeks - outside that I'm water only with meals and then I'm also drinking it all day long.  

 
ProstheticRGK said:
Those look great. A quick substitute for me, just eyeballing it, would be to use arrowroot or cornstarch mixed with veggie/mushroom stock instead of butter/oil. Throw a tbsp of thickener into a jar, with all the powdered ingredients, add cold stock, put on the lid and shake the beejeezus out of it. Use that to glaze the potatoes. 
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@ProstheticRGK - talk to me about this.  I've never heard of this before.  I will google but would like your input.  Is this something you can make up and then add to veggies or potatoes/rice as desired?

 
NutterButter said:
You seem to have very strong self discipline.  How the hell did you ever get to this point?
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Great question - I have a personality that is kind of all in or all out in certain areas.  It's great when losing weight - it's horrible if I'm not all in.  I chronicled my weight loss in 2015 in the weight loss thread that from that year.  I was little more deliberate with my losing but I lost 60 lbs then and in 2016 gained it all back.  For me, I'm not a very vain person, being overweight isn't a big deal other than I get a little depressed when I have to wear my fat clothes or I get winded walking the stairs.  What has been different lately (now that I'm in my 40's) is that it's not just carrying extra weight - I mentioned before but my A1C levels were pre-diabetic last time I got tested.  I've had some mystery abdominal pains the last year - ended up in the hospital one time because they thought it was diverticulitis.  My life is great - I've got a wonderful wife, 4 great and healthy kids and the only "bad" part of my life has been these somewhat minor health issues.  I want to change that permanently.  I want to be here a long time and see their kids grow up - I want to haven energy to keep up with my grand kids.  I love life and want to live as long as I can and with as much energy as possible.

I have zero doubt I'll lose the weight - I've done it 3 times over in the past - keeping it off is my biggest challenge.  I'm hopeful making lifestyle changes (read:  not being ON a diet but eating a different diet) will help me once I'm in maintenance mode.

 
One more thought - when I've lost in the past the main driver for the weight loss was working out - 2 of the 3 times I lost while training for triathlons - because of that I was still eating a lot of calories and in some cases still bad calories.  But I was younger and expending a lot of energy - instead of eating 2 Chick-fil-a sandwiches I would eat 1.  My diet was never good.  This time I decided to listen to Chaka and others and focus on diet and not exercise.  It's worked even better than my previous weight loss attempts.  I'll eventually add some exercise in - I LOVE to swim and can't wait to start back in a few months.  But, if I can make these diet changes I won't have to exercise 6 days a week to maintain.

 
Was so good yesterday. Quest bar for breakfast, worked straight through lunch, and chicken breast with mozzarella and tomato for dinner. Felt great when it was time to get the kids down. 

But family law happened yesterday. A major serving of it with various sides. I was so fried. And I couldn't resist my lovely wife pulling me out a bottle of wine, a bag of pirates booty, and some ghiradelli squares. 

Gonna run five miles this morning to as my penance. 

 
AAABatteries said:
Great question - I have a personality that is kind of all in or all out in certain areas.  It's great when losing weight - it's horrible if I'm not all in.  I chronicled my weight loss in 2015 in the weight loss thread that from that year.  I was little more deliberate with my losing but I lost 60 lbs then and in 2016 gained it all back.  For me, I'm not a very vain person, being overweight isn't a big deal other than I get a little depressed when I have to wear my fat clothes or I get winded walking the stairs.  What has been different lately (now that I'm in my 40's) is that it's not just carrying extra weight - I mentioned before but my A1C levels were pre-diabetic last time I got tested.  I've had some mystery abdominal pains the last year - ended up in the hospital one time because they thought it was diverticulitis.  My life is great - I've got a wonderful wife, 4 great and healthy kids and the only "bad" part of my life has been these somewhat minor health issues.  I want to change that permanently.  I want to be here a long time and see their kids grow up - I want to haven energy to keep up with my grand kids.  I love life and want to live as long as I can and with as much energy as possible.

I have zero doubt I'll lose the weight - I've done it 3 times over in the past - keeping it off is my biggest challenge.  I'm hopeful making lifestyle changes (read:  not being ON a diet but eating a different diet) will help me once I'm in maintenance mode.
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I've read that many times before.   I find it incredible that someone can lose that much weight and slowly or even quickly get back to where they started.  Good luck.   

 
AAABatteries said:
But that person still craves cheeseburgers and fries and soda and pizza and a bunch of other crap.
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Sure, but to lose that much weight, that's a pretty long stretch where you're suppressing those cravings.  Maybe you aren't the right example b/c like you said, you were doing some pretty extreme exercising so you didn't have to be as tight with your diet.  But a lot of people that lose that type of weight with mostly diet, you manage to go many months eating very well.   You'd think you'd develop some good habits to strike that balance of remaining at a good weight and treating yourself from time to time.   I mean soda.  Really?   You're throwing away all that work b/c of that.   

 
NutterButter said:
Sure, but to lose that much weight, that's a pretty long stretch where you're suppressing those cravings.  Maybe you aren't the right example b/c like you said, you were doing some pretty extreme exercising so you didn't have to be as tight with your diet.  But a lot of people that lose that type of weight with mostly diet, you manage to go many months eating very well.   You'd think you'd develop some good habits to strike that balance of remaining at a good weight and treating yourself from time to time.   I mean soda.  Really?   You're throwing away all that work b/c of that.   
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Old habits die hard. 3 or 6 months of healthy eating pales in comparison to 30 or 40 years of bad habits. 

 
NutterButter said:
Sure, but to lose that much weight, that's a pretty long stretch where you're suppressing those cravings.  Maybe you aren't the right example b/c like you said, you were doing some pretty extreme exercising so you didn't have to be as tight with your diet.  But a lot of people that lose that type of weight with mostly diet, you manage to go many months eating very well.   You'd think you'd develop some good habits to strike that balance of remaining at a good weight and treating yourself from time to time.   I mean soda.  Really?   You're throwing away all that work b/c of that.   
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What if you had to abstain from sex for months?  Once you could screw again, do you think it'd be easy to just keep the screwing to a minimum?  In the end, we are all creatures driven by pleasure and eating and drinking is one of the highest forms of pleasure. 

It's quite easy to understand why weight is so difficult to keep off.  

 
James Daulton said:
What if you had to abstain from sex for months?  Once you could screw again, do you think it'd be easy to just keep the screwing to a minimum?  In the end, we are all creatures driven by pleasure and eating and drinking is one of the highest forms of pleasure. 

It's quite easy to understand why weight is so difficult to keep off.  
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Yep, this. 

 
James Daulton said:
What if you had to abstain from sex for months?  Once you could screw again, do you think it'd be easy to just keep the screwing to a minimum?  In the end, we are all creatures driven by pleasure and eating and drinking is one of the highest forms of pleasure. 

It's quite easy to understand why weight is so difficult to keep off.  
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But screwing again in your example doesn't have any cost.  The cost of that poor diet is feeling like crap both physically and psychologically once you get back to that point you started at.  There's a reason you went through all the work of losing all the weight in the first place.   And its a lot of work.  Especially for someone that's never had to work like that before. You probably feel even worse then you did in the beginning knowing you worked so hard and you gave it all away. 

I find it pretty remarkable both the ability to lose that much weight in such a short period of time and the inability to keep oneself from getting back to where it all started.  I've been heavier before.   Got up to 260 in college and now right around 200, but that transformation has been over many years so I can't relate.

 
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NutterButter said:
But screwing again in your example doesn't have any cost.  The cost of that poor diet is feeling like crap both physically and psychologically once you get back to that point you started at.  There's a reason you went through all the work of losing all the weight in the first place.   And its a lot of work.  Especially for someone that's never had to work like that before. You probably feel even worse then you did in the beginning knowing you worked so hard and you gave it all away. 

I find it pretty remarkable both the ability to lose that much weight in such a short period of time and the inability to keep oneself from getting back to where it all started.  I've been heavier before.   Got up to 260 in college and now right around 200, but that transformation has been over many years so I can't relate.
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I love eating crap food and eating a lot of it.  If you don't really care how you look, eating whatever you want as much as want can make you feel fantastic. 

 
James Daulton said:
I love eating crap food and eating a lot of it.  If you don't really care how you look, eating whatever you want as much as want can make you feel fantastic. 
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And I can relate to that and the people that are fat and just stay fat.  Maybe they're perfectly content being fat.  Maybe their only source of pleasure in life is eating.   Whatever it may be.  That's not the people I"m referring to.  Its the people that spend 6+ months losing all that weight just to give it back again.  That's a long stretch of time.  That's an awful lot of work   There must have been a pretty compelling reason to want to go through that in the first place.   

 
Was hungry this AM so I've had:

1 piece of bacon, 1 bagel, the bottom of a container of Blue Bunny ice cream (call it 1 serving), a power bar, and 3 cookies.  Total of roughly 900 calories.  Hopefully I'm set until dinner but not off to a great start.

But it was all ####### fantastic!

 
AAABatteries said:
I think I have my wife on board with some of these eating changes, which is great news for me.  We frequently aren't on the same page when it comes to diet and nutrition.  We still aren't completely so I'm hopeful to educate both of us a little more.

I know we've discussed many of these and I will try and research the threads and bump where appropriate but here are some food items where I'd like some of you knowledgeable folks to chime in:

- artificial sweetners - like Stevia

Hate the taste. Only rEal sugar for me, that means cutting it out.

- butter

Avoid. Sometimes use it for frying sonething nice

- yellow rice (saffron rice)

Nice. For a cheaper version you can use turmeric

- sweet potatoes

Not my favorite. Regular potatoes taste beyter and are better for you

- cheese (this is a big one for my wife - she loves cheese and I do too)

My kryptonite

Other thoughts:

- I've cut out essentially all bread (thnkafully not a big fan anyway) - I'm coming around a little on white potatoes with all the information posted but I think the problem with them is how they get prepared most of the time.  The healthy potato recipes are great

- the brown vs. white rice conversation here was interesting - I only like yellow rice so this one is not a problem for me

- personally I'm trying to limit dairy as much as I can but that's more a personal choice - I could go without most dairy but do love cheese

I love milk.

- I know this one is obvious but I'll just reiterate it here - water, water, water.  I have had 2 glasses of unsweet tea with meals in the last 4 weeks - outside that I'm water only with meals and then I'm also drinking it all day long.  

Sparkling Water and unsweetened iced tea for me all the way
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In red

 
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NutterButter said:
And I can relate to that and the people that are fat and just stay fat.  Maybe they're perfectly content being fat.  Maybe their only source of pleasure in life is eating.   Whatever it may be.  That's not the people I"m referring to.  Its the people that spend 6+ months losing all that weight just to give it back again.  That's a long stretch of time.  That's an awful lot of work   There must have been a pretty compelling reason to want to go through that in the first place.   
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There's a lot of psychology tied up in there.  It feels great to eat a large pizza and drink beer or soda - but just in the moment.  It also feels great to have someone tell you that you look great once you've lost weight.  I can't explain it - I just know that I've been in both those scenarios and both are great in their own way.  Two years ago I started in the spring I think and knew I had a trip to Disney planned for September - I had a goal to get to 180 before the trip.  I did it - I then went down to Disney and ate and drank everything in sight.  It was glorious.  I think I need to accept that I'm that person - I need to monitor myself somewhat continuously and while not depriving myself forever I can't let myself get in to those bad habits again or I will one day be doing this again.  I don't want that, I really don't - but I also don't want to give up pizza and beer forever.  I have to work on finding balance and so far I haven't been great at that.

 
NutterButter said:
And I can relate to that and the people that are fat and just stay fat.  Maybe they're perfectly content being fat.  Maybe their only source of pleasure in life is eating.   Whatever it may be.  That's not the people I"m referring to.  Its the people that spend 6+ months losing all that weight just to give it back again.  That's a long stretch of time.  That's an awful lot of work   There must have been a pretty compelling reason to want to go through that in the first place.   
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Food is an addiction for a lot of people. You can fight it for awhile, but it's very hard to fight it your whole life. My wife is one. She's not horribly overweight or anything, but she struggles with yo-yo weight. She's 5'3" and was down to 116 three months ago. We took a cruise and she ate a lot; we got back home to the holidays and she got lazy. Now she's 133 and all pissed off at herself again. And this goes on and on...

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Back to Taubes, here's a review of his most recent book by the nutritionist I trust most: http://www.stephanguyenet.com/bad-sugar-or-bad-journalism-an-expert-review-of-the-case-against-sugar/
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I listened to that entire podcast with Rogan - I think he makes a pretty compelling case against sugar.  Is it the end all be all demon of diets - maybe, maybe not but I'm convinced enough that there's really no reason for me to ever eat the stuff save how good it tastes to my system.  I'm trying to find stuff that I find enjoyable - maybe not equally, but enjoyable enough that I don't feel like I'm eating rabbit food and just quit.

 
AAABatteries said:
@ProstheticRGK - talk to me about this.  I've never heard of this before.  I will google but would like your input.  Is this something you can make up and then add to veggies or potatoes/rice as desired?
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When you make gravy, usually, you use a roux of flour and fat. cook it for awhile, then add the stock and pan drippings. It thickens up as it cooks.

Another way to thicken a sauce is to make a slurry. Mix about a tbsp of your thickener (cornstarch, arrowroot) with cold water in a jar with a lid and shake it until the powder is all dissolved. Then add that to your already hot sauce/liquid and stir until it gets thick. Chinese restaurants use this all the time for making their sauces thick. It's definitely a different texture, but it's a quick way to thicken a sauce without adding fat.

 
Otis said:
Old habits die hard. 3 or 6 months of healthy eating pales in comparison to 30 or 40 years of bad habits. 
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I've changed a ton of things the last five years.  It's all mind set. The habit doesn't come back because it was there for 40 years, it's because you choose to let it come back. 

 
James Daulton said:
Was hungry this AM so I've had:

1 piece of bacon, 1 bagel, the bottom of a container of Blue Bunny ice cream (call it 1 serving), a power bar, and 3 cookies.  Total of roughly 900 calories.  Hopefully I'm set until dinner but not off to a great start.

But it was all ####### fantastic!
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I feel this way most of the time. I get super hungry, and then I want to eat everything. Thankfully I haven't given in yet.

I had about 500 calories yesterday before dinner. Went out to eat with the family last night for Tex-Mex. Had a reasonable amount of chips & salsa, followed by chicken tortilla soup. Oh... and I had a couple of margaritas. So all in all, maybe about 1000 calories. Felt like I ate so much. But still under 2K calories for the day.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Back to Taubes, here's a review of his most recent book by the nutritionist I trust most: http://www.stephanguyenet.com/bad-sugar-or-bad-journalism-an-expert-review-of-the-case-against-sugar/
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.

Here are two other inconvenient facts that Taubes omits from his finely crafted narrative: Both sedentary behavior and overeating calories cause pronounced insulin resistance, and conversely, physical activity and eating fewer calories powerfully combat insulin resistance (28, 29, 30, 31). Physical activity almost instantaneously increases the insulin sensitivity of muscle tissue, which is a major determinant of whole-body insulin sensitivity. Again, abundant evidence of this is only a few keystrokes away on Google Scholar, yet Taubes dismisses the idea out of hand.

This is my biggest issue with the guy. He simply doesn't acknowledge this.  Its almost trumpkin in his blinders.  Clearly the guy doesn't even lift.

 
And. For what its worth the item 1 in that list would be the angle I would choose if I were to try to pick apart the potato diet by cherry picking studies. He even did quite a bit of heavy lifting for someone that might be inclined to do so. 

 
AAABatteries said:
I think I have my wife on board with some of these eating changes, which is great news for me.  We frequently aren't on the same page when it comes to diet and nutrition.  We still aren't completely so I'm hopeful to educate both of us a little more.

I know we've discussed many of these and I will try and research the threads and bump where appropriate but here are some food items where I'd like some of you knowledgeable folks to chime in:

- artificial sweetners - like Stevia

- butter

- yellow rice (saffron rice)

- sweet potatoes

- cheese (this is a big one for my wife - she loves cheese and I do too)

Other thoughts:

- I've cut out essentially all bread (thnkafully not a big fan anyway) - I'm coming around a little on white potatoes with all the information posted but I think the problem with them is how they get prepared most of the time.  The healthy potato recipes are great

- the brown vs. white rice conversation here was interesting - I only like yellow rice so this one is not a problem for me

- personally I'm trying to limit dairy as much as I can but that's more a personal choice - I could go without most dairy but do love cheese

- I know this one is obvious but I'll just reiterate it here - water, water, water.  I have had 2 glasses of unsweet tea with meals in the last 4 weeks - outside that I'm water only with meals and then I'm also drinking it all day long.  
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Artificial anything - no. There are exceptions, but generally speaking we all already consume too much sugar, salt, and other processed crap. We don't need to add more.

Butter - there are better fats, but I don't restrict myself. I think it's effective exercise fuel. I don't add much to what I eat day to day though. Obviously need to be careful when cutting too.

Rice - not a battle I pick anymore, as long as your current diet isn't tilted too much towards carbs then have at it. Whatever your flavor.

Sweet potatoes - depends, do you smother than in brown sugar and butter? No? Cool. Yes? Run like hell. In the end you hit the nail on the head in your potato thoughts - it's all in how hey are prepared.

Cheese - the problem with cheese is satiation, you don't get any from eating it. It's a quiet calorie killer when cutting. I'm not saying to get rid of it, but be very careful. When I cut I think I had the most difficulty with this and other similar dairy.

Not drinking your calories is a successful strategy. Good choice.

 
James Daulton said:
What if you had to abstain from sex for months?  Once you could screw again, do you think it'd be easy to just keep the screwing to a minimum?  In the end, we are all creatures driven by pleasure and eating and drinking is one of the highest forms of pleasure. 

It's quite easy to understand why weight is so difficult to keep off.  
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This is why I trend more towards exercise based approaches. Greater chance of long term success. I'm more open minded about when to implement than I used to be, but it needs to be part of the game if you want to avoid another diet at some point. Likely multiple points.

 
MAC_32 said:
This is why I trend more towards exercise based approaches. Greater chance of long term success. I'm more open minded about when to implement than I used to be, but it needs to be part of the game if you want to avoid another diet at some point. Likely multiple points.
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Somewhere @Chaka's head just exploded. 

 
James Daulton said:
Somewhere @Chaka's head just exploded. 
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If you loathe all forms of exercise then forcing yourself to do it may not be worth it. There are trade offs though. Ones most won't make, myself included. I have a 7 course feast tonight. I also have a fundraiser tomorrow at the local Irish club, all you can eat and all you can drink. Who knows what after each too. I intend for the next 30 hours to be full of gluttony. It's also a reason why I ran 12 miles today and have a two-a-day scheduled Monday. I'd rather go nuts then play catch up than limit myself at either event.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
195# this morning.  
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182# yesterday. lowest i've been in 15 years at least.

eating well.  biggest difference is less sugar.  i still pretty much eat what i want.  drinking less, this is HUGE for my weight gain.  and i joined a gym.  a really nice gym that is expensive enough to make me not blow it off.  it's a total resort/country club atmosphere with every amenity.  i've come to really enjoy going.   i even hired a trainer in the beginning because i was totally lost and really needed some guidance.  that was the best thing i did and was a huge reason i stuck it out.  it's still extremely difficult to get in the car and go, but i always feel better once i've gone.

work out people.

 
Went from 200 on Thursday back up to 201 on Friday. Played about an hour of casual tennis this afternoon, followed by 25 minutes of weights then 25 minutes of cardio. Came home to check the scale.

199.8 lbs!!!!!!!

 
Potatoes for breakfast, then went to my church's food pantry to work from 8-5.  They had cakes/cookies pastries out all morning, then served meatloaf, mashed potatoes, corn and salad for lunch.  Had no snacks/breakfast items, had a 1/2 slice of meatloaf, a small spoonful of mashed potatoes and a large salad for lunch with water.  Nothing else throughout the day.  We had ~150 volunteers which helped give 480 families a shopping cart full of food. Awesome feeling. 

Very tired now after being on my feet all day.  Had some shrimp with cocktail sauce for dinner.

Good day.

 
Otis said:
That makes sense.  With three little kids I find it nearly impossible to have any kind of routine--everyone is always sick and the house is always chaos.  I can't even fathom my wife getting time.  Got her a Peloton bike for Xmas that she's used exactly one time...
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She still not using this. My wife said she wanted one today. My wife goes to spin 2-3 times a week. Want to know if mrs oats likes it. If not, you selling it. 

 
I'm not cheating.  That infers breaking rules.  Disney is a no diet zone,  so I'm still technically right on track.  No scale in the room though...Monday weigh in will be tough. 

 
Put together the recumbent exercise bike today.

Rode for 15 minutes.  Man, I'm woefully out of shape.  Legs felt like lead when I was done but I guess you have to start somewhere.

 
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