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Overdoses Now Leading Cause of Death For Those Under 50 (1 Viewer)

GroveDiesel

GroveDiesel

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Ugh

I could have posted this in the heroin thread, but this stat is so astounding and horrible to me that I thought it needs it's own thread just to draw attention to it.

The opioid crisis needs much much much more attention. It's starting to get it, but it needs more. This truly is at crisis levels. Doctors need to start being held accountable for over prescribing them, the manufacturers need to be sued for pushing them and covering up just how addictive they are, and we need to start treating it like the public health crisis that it is.

 
this is like cigarettes and cancer back in the day...these companies knew all along that these were highly addictive...they just want more sales and people be damned.  Pharmaceutical companies put money in congress's pockets and everyone is happy.  it's criminal.

Yet Sessions wants to go after medical marijuana...good thing we have our priorities in line on what's really important and killing people.

 
Although I have not seen him in over 8 years, a friend of mine overdosed two weeks ago and nearly died. He told a mutual friend in the hospital that this was his wake up call that he needed and that he was going to get the help that he needed. They found him 5 days after he got out of the hospital overdosed again, he didn't make it this time. 35 years old living in small rural town USA. 

 
I've always been more concerned with people who are in constant pain who can't get the medication they need because of the fear of overprescribing. This has happened to me on numerous occasions, and I see under prescribing as just as big of a problem, though I am certainly apparently in the minority on this.  

 
Beef Ravioli said:
Although I have not seen him in over 8 years, a friend of mine overdosed two weeks ago and nearly died. He told a mutual friend in the hospital that this was his wake up call that he needed and that he was going to get the help that he needed. They found him 5 days after he got out of the hospital overdosed again, he didn't make it this time. 35 years old living in small rural town USA. 
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awful...have similar story with one of my best friends growing up.  

I understand attacking and eliminating ISIS/Al Quada is important to national security but the amount of press, attention and money devoted is completely out of whack with reality...consider that in the US between 2001 and 2014 there were 3,412 deaths resulting from Terrorism inside and outside the US (Sept 11th obviously the vast majority of those deaths) which equates to 243/year and now we have nearly 60,000 people dying each year from OD's....almost 250 TIMES the number of deaths each year and it might get 1/50th the attention that terrorism gets.  Sad.

 
Interesting timing - we just lost a "kid" here yesterday morning.  I played a few years with him on our men's rec basketball league team.  He broke the school basketball record for most points in a game and could ball, but it was common for him to flake out before our games and we started to assume he was into some heavy drugs.  He eventually quite playing entirely, as his life continued to spiral downhill.  He was in his mid-20s and he likely fought that addiction for years, what a tough way to live, and eventually die.

 
I'm not sure about it being a tough way to die. 

I think they lose consciousness and never know it happened...

 
Was reading headlines and ran past this one, moved on and then was like...what?  Leading cause of death for those under 50?  Good god, that can't be true can it?

Then I read the article.

Damn.

 
mr roboto said:
As long as it's poor rural whites (or inner city minorities) the problem gets ignored till it's colossal. 
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This is most definitely not the case.

In fact, the reason it's finally starting to get attention is how hard affluent communities are being hit.

Sadly, I'm not surprised by that stat. Such a horrible drug.

 
Skoo said:
This is most definitely not the case.

In fact, the reason it's finally starting to get attention is how hard affluent communities are being hit.

Sadly, I'm not surprised by that stat. Such a horrible drug.
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That was my point. 

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Seems like a simple solution then....Prescribe more weed and less oxy..
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you'd think but then you have the attorney general saying he's going to target medical marijuana...hell, it's still on the schedule 1 drug list as one of the most dangerous drugs...along side heroin, LSD, ecstasy and peyote.... schedule 2 is oxy, fentanyl, morphine, opium...a complete joke...since it's considered a schedule 1 drug it's incredibly difficult to do clinical testing....the drug companies like it though.

 
Banger said:
you'd think but then you have the attorney general saying he's going to target medical marijuana...hell, it's still on the schedule 1 drug list as one of the most dangerous drugs...along side heroin, LSD, ecstasy and peyote.... schedule 2 is oxy, fentanyl, morphine, opium...a complete joke...since it's considered a schedule 1 drug it's incredibly difficult to do clinical testing....the drug companies like it though.
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These are some of the regulations the current administration should be looking into...It seems like sometimes we can't get out of our own way when it comes to drug regulations...Hell we have been doing informal clinical testing of marijuana for decades.

 
I don't know much about this stuff but don't people get hooked by first using Oxy?  I've had Oxy a few times and honestly was disappointed   Didn't do anything for me  

Trump mentioned this in his campaign. I hope he and congress do something together on this.  Maybe more treatment?  

He seems to think a wall will help slow the flow of drugs.  

 
boots11234 said:
I don't know much about this stuff but don't people get hooked by first using Oxy?  I've had Oxy a few times and honestly was disappointed   Didn't do anything for me  

Trump mentioned this in his campaign. I hope he and congress do something together on this.  Maybe more treatment?  

He seems to think a wall will help slow the flow of drugs.  
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Lots of folks transition from pills to junk due to cost or availability. 

Yes, MUCH more treatment is likely the best approach. 

 

 
boots11234 said:
I don't know much about this stuff but don't people get hooked by first using Oxy?  I've had Oxy a few times and honestly was disappointed   Didn't do anything for me  

Trump mentioned this in his campaign. I hope he and congress do something together on this.  Maybe more treatment?  

He seems to think a wall will help slow the flow of drugs.  
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the house bill guts a lot of the current funding for treatment unfortunately.  

 
Beef Ravioli said:
Although I have not seen him in over 8 years, a friend of mine overdosed two weeks ago and nearly died. He told a mutual friend in the hospital that this was his wake up call that he needed and that he was going to get the help that he needed. They found him 5 days after he got out of the hospital overdosed again, he didn't make it this time. 35 years old living in small rural town USA. 
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I have a casual friend that I'm worried will end up like this sooner rather than later.  He had a serious heroin problem for a few years, along with his girlfriend, she got pregnant, had the kid.  My friend got clean and was in recovery (suboxone I think, not 100% sure, sore subject) for like a year or so and has custody of the kid.  He relapsed in the past month, and it is painfully obvious to all of us who see him on a regular basis that he's hooked again.  He's overdosed at least once previously and revived with naloxone by paramedics.  Only a matter of time until I get a phone call that it's all over for him.

 
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Steve Tasker said:
I have a casual friend that I'm worried will end up like this sooner rather than later.  He had a serious heroin problem for a few years, along with his girlfriend, she got pregnant, had the kid.  My friend got clean and was in recovery (suboxone I think, not 100% sure, sore subject) for like a year or so and has custody of the kid.  He relapsed in the past month, and it is painfully obvious to all of us who see him on a regular basis that he's hooked again.  He's overdosed at least once previously and revived with naloxone by paramedics.  Only a matter of time until I get a phone call that it's all over for him.
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Ugh. Suboxone is such a tough topic in the NA and AA world. Nobody knows really what to do with it. Sorry to hear this, Tasker.  

 
rockaction said:
I've always been more concerned with people who are in constant pain who can't get the medication they need because of the fear of overprescribing. This has happened to me on numerous occasions, and I see under prescribing as just as big of a problem, though I am certainly apparently in the minority on this.  
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Yes, that's probably because under-prescribing opiates isn't the leading cause of death of people under 50, and by any metric, it's not even close to the level of problem.  It's so not close to the level of problem, that it shouldn't be called a 'problem', as that would imply it has close to the same level of seriousness as the opiate problem, which it does not.

That's possibly why you're in the minority position on this issue.

I sure do apologize for being a jag off in this post, but three replies in to the biggest health crisis in our lifetimes, and someone is trying to change the subject.

You have anything other than anecdotal freaking evidence that under-prescribing is 'as big a problem' please share your data with the class.

 
Banger said:
this is like cigarettes and cancer back in the day...these companies knew all along that these were highly addictive...they just want more sales and people be damned.  Pharmaceutical companies put money in congress's pockets and everyone is happy.  it's criminal.

Yet Sessions wants to go after medical marijuana...good thing we have our priorities in line on what's really important and killing people.
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This is nothing like cigarettes.  Opioids have important medical uses.

 
massraider said:
Yes, that's probably because under-prescribing opiates isn't the leading cause of death of people under 50, and by any metric, it's not even close to the level of problem.  It's so not close to the level of problem, that it shouldn't be called a 'problem', as that would imply it has close to the same level of seriousness as the opiate problem, which it does not.

That's possibly why you're in the minority position on this issue.

I sure do apologize for being a jag off in this post, but three replies in to the biggest health crisis in our lifetimes, and someone is trying to change the subject.

You have anything other than anecdotal freaking evidence that under-prescribing is 'as big a problem' please share your data with the class.
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That's exactly why I apologized. Because my anecdotal evidence is certainly not as great as the weight of literature or current health concerns. I'm a little stung by the criticism actually; I thought I'd couched my objection in very reasonable terms; even allowing for your criticism of mine. 

Not sure what the problem is here. 

Also, remember when AIDS was going to be the death of 20% of the population. Or Alar in Apples. Or GMO food. It would serve us well to do other than anecdotal evidence and actually study the rates of addiction, etc., before we go off being too self-righteous about a fairly innocent comment that I made.  

And, yes, there are many examples of people not getting medication they need. I'm not sure where the problem is here.  

 
My father just died.  He spent his last 30 years in constant pain.  He was on hydrocodone, sometimes four or five a day.  I can't imagine what his life would have been like without it.  I understand there is a serious issue with opioids in our society.  I am hoping we can come up with a solution that doesn't prevent people in chronic pain from getting relief.

 
I hope you don't think I'm a shill for the pharmaceutical industry, because I can assure you I'm not. I'm actually to the left of this issue in permitting people to seek pain relief as they see fit; not as approved by a doctor or hospital.  

 
massraider said:
Yes, that's probably because under-prescribing opiates isn't the leading cause of death of people under 50, and by any metric, it's not even close to the level of problem.  It's so not close to the level of problem, that it shouldn't be called a 'problem', as that would imply it has close to the same level of seriousness as the opiate problem, which it does not.

That's possibly why you're in the minority position on this issue.

I sure do apologize for being a jag off in this post, but three replies in to the biggest health crisis in our lifetimes, and someone is trying to change the subject.

You have anything other than anecdotal freaking evidence that under-prescribing is 'as big a problem' please share your data with the class.
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It's part of the same problem.  Prescription opioids need to be tightly monitored yet accessible to those who need them.  Obviously, we are doing something wrong in the balancing.

There is also a lot of illicit manufacturing/importing going on that has nothing to do with prescription abuse.

 
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I disagree with all of this. I think opiates should be legal. Fair, square, and honest about it. I think it should be left to patient discretion. I am not in the habit of paternalism, and we will all reckon with our own choices. 

There: 'Nuff said?  

 
jonessed said:
This is nothing like cigarettes.  Opioids have important medical uses.
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they may...my point is that the industry knows of the problems with opiods and the side effects/addiction issues but has minimized/lied about them as the cigarette industry has....that pharmaceutical industry also spends a tremendous amount of money lobbying to keep pain pills flowing all the while acting like everything is ok while in reality this epidemic is due in large part to the pills they are producing...similar to how the tobacco industry stonewalled and denied linkages between cancer and cigarettes so they could keep that money flowing...both seem to be callously ignoring the devastation because they're making a ton of money.  

 
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Banger said:
they may...my point is that the industry knows of the problems with opiods and the side effects/addiction issues but has minimized/lied about them as the cigarette industry has....that pharmaceutical industry also spends a tremendous amount of money lobbying to keep pain pills flowing all the while acting like this epidemic is due in large part to the pills they are producing...similar to how the tobacco industry stonewalled and denied linkages between cancer and cigarettes so they could keep that money flowing...both seem to be callously ignoring the devastation because they're making a ton of money.  
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Prescription opioids are much more tightly monitored than they used to be.  The current rapid rise in deaths has a lot to do with imported opioids that are much stronger (like Fentanyl).

 
rockaction said:
Ugh. Suboxone is such a tough topic in the NA and AA world. Nobody knows really what to do with it. Sorry to hear this, Tasker.  
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Thanks.  We're not terribly close; as far as I'm aware, he doesn't even know that I've known that he's been an addict for years.  I sincerely hope he gets the help he needs, and I know his close friends are doing their best to help him.  I'm more concerned about his child - child of two heroin addicts, mother was using while pregnant (before she found out she was pregnant; not sure about afterward, I hope not), grandparents on both sides are convinced the other parent is the problem, etc.

 
adonis said:
Was reading headlines and ran past this one, moved on and then was like...what?  Leading cause of death for those under 50?  Good god, that can't be true can it?

Then I read the article.

Damn.
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I take it as good news on scores of other fronts, diabetes, heart disease, auto accidents, jousting tournament accidents, Kiln manufacturing safety precautions, allergic reactions to ferrets, reduction in killer bee attacks.  Overdoses did not get in the lead all by themselves, we had reductions in lots of other means of death thereby opening the top spot.  Tough to believe too, when I watch reality T.V. out of Florida.  I bet if Rednecking was a cause of death it would be the leading cause because it would combine oxy deaths with swamp buggy accidents, misuse of fireworks, and attempting to impress a trampy second cousin one has sexual designs upon by some combination of drinking, driving, and shooting.

 
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Banger said:
it's kind of funny when you think about it...it's always been labelled (incorrectly) as a gateway drug and studies like this show it's essentially the "anti-gateway" drug...
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Yup, is like a 180° difference than what's been sold to us over the years. 

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I take it as good news on scores of other fronts, diabetes, heart disease, auto accidents, jousting tournament accidents, Kiln manufacturing safety precautions, allergic reactions to ferrets, reduction in killer bee attacks.  Overdoses did not get in the lead all by themselves, we had reductions in lots of other means of death.  Tough to believe too, when I watch reality T.V. out of Florida.  I bet if Rednecking was a cause of death it would be the leading cause because it would combine oxy deaths with swamp buggy accidents, misuse of fireworks, and attempting to impress a trampy second cousin one has sexual designs upon by some combination of drinking, driving, and shooting.
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:lmao:

 
Didn't know it got quite that bad. Jesus. 

How does one get fentanly? that #### took down 3 kids near me recently. Is this stuff like meth and people cook it. How do the dealers get it? Makes no sense. 

Heroin I understand. 

 
culdeus said:
Didn't know it got quite that bad. Jesus. 

How does one get fentanly? that #### took down 3 kids near me recently. Is this stuff like meth and people cook it. How do the dealers get it? Makes no sense. 

Heroin I understand. 
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Fentanyl is a synthetic opiate and comes in on the black market from places like Mexico. Our war on drugs is an abject failure and anyone thinking we can stop #### by making it illegal is kidding themselves. Sucks but the reality is as long as there is a demand, there WILL be a supply. 

 
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[icon] said:
Fentanyl is a synthetic opiate and comes in on the black market from places like Mexico. Our war on drugs is an abject failure and anyone thinking we can stop #### by making it illegal is kidding themselves. Sucks but the reality is as long as there is a demand, there WILL be a supply. 
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China as well.  It's nasty stuff.  10K more potent than morphine leaves no margin for error when cutting and distributing.  A bad batch can kill dozens of more.

 
What the #### is wrong with these people?

carfentanil? WTF is that and why are you even taking it. --> The toxicity of carfentanil has been compared to that of nerve gas, according to the Associated Press' article "Chemical weapon for sale

Herion? You really gotta be a loser to even consider that death drug.

LOSERS.

 
lod001 said:
What the #### is wrong with these people?

carfentanil? WTF is that and why are you even taking it. --> The toxicity of carfentanil has been compared to that of nerve gas, according to the Associated Press' article "Chemical weapon for sale

Herion? You really gotta be a loser to even consider that death drug.

LOSERS.
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Nobody is intentionally taking it.

Dealers are spiking batches to increase potency. Also a death or two from a hot shot gets buzz on the Street and causes a huge spike in sales of that brand...

...sadly not kidding. 

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I take it as good news on scores of other fronts, diabetes, heart disease, auto accidents, jousting tournament accidents, Kiln manufacturing safety precautions, allergic reactions to ferrets, reduction in killer bee attacks.  Overdoses did not get in the lead all by themselves, we had reductions in lots of other means of death.  Tough to believe too, when I watch reality T.V. out of Florida.  I bet if Rednecking was a cause of death it would be the leading cause because it would combine oxy deaths with swamp buggy accidents, misuse of fireworks, and attempting to impress a trampy second cousin one has sexual designs upon by some combination of drinking, driving, and shooting.
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:lmao:  epic

 
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