P.Garcon, A.Collie, A.Gonzalez (1 Viewer)

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Anthony Gonzalez - 6'0 193

1st round selection in 2007 (32). Caught 94-1240-7 in his first two years. Won the starting job in his 3rd year before injuring his knee in the opener and missing the entire season.

Pierre Garcon - 6'0 210

6th round selection in 2008. Caught 47-765-4 after Gonzalez went down in '09. In three playoff games amassed 21-251-2.

Austin Collie - 6'0 200

4th round selection in 2009. Rookie totals were 60-676-7. Added another 17-241-2 in three playoff games.

 

[Todem]

Gonzalez if healthy can win his job back. People are sleeping on him.

My 2 cents.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Gonzalez if healthy can win his job back. People are sleeping on him.My 2 cents.

I guess a second question is, if Gonzalez does re-win the outside job who is the slot?

 

[ClownDogs]

Gonzalez if healthy can win his job back. People are sleeping on him.My 2 cents.

I guess a second question is, if Gonzalez does re-win the outside job who is the slot?

Gonna say Gonzo is fighting for the slot with collie, I see Garcon on the outside as WR2 to be honest, just too much talent not to be on the field opposite of Wayne.

 

[LionsFan78]

The answer you'll get around here is Garcon

 

[JohnnyU]

Garcon is the one to own, but make no mistake, it will be a nightmare for owners of Colts players because the guy getting the most targets will change from week to week. Having Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Gonzalez, and Clark to throw to makes it very difficult to know who to play. Having said that, Manning does seem to like Garcon a lot. One thing he better not do is revert back to the dropsies he had at one time. Someone like Gonzalez will put him on the bench if he does. Just a warning.

 

[Bamac]

In absolute terms: Garcon. At his current perceived value: Gonzo.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

If Garcon plays like he did at the end of last season, it's no contest. He has a much higher ceiling than the other 2, mainly because of his big play ability.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Gonzalez if healthy can win his job back. People are sleeping on him.My 2 cents.

Gonzalez was overrated when healthy - now he doesn't even have that. I don't believe he'll ever get back to where he was. Garcon is easily the one to own here.

 

[Professor S]

The Colts stated all along (even last preseason) that they were hopeful Garcon could step up as a #2 so Gonzales could play his natural position in the slot. Garcon couldn't win the position outright in training camp due to his dropsies, so they were forced to go with Gonzo in the #2 slot until his injury. Given Garcon's emergence with increases PT, I fully expect to see him on the outside with Gonzales and Collie battling for the slot position. My personal opinion is that Gonzo becomes the odd man out here. Collie was impressive towards the end of the season; he turned into a poor man's Wes Welker.

From a dynasty standpont it's difficult to say. I'm going to go out on a limb an rank them #1) Collie, #2) Garcon, and #3) Gonzales.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Gonzalez if healthy can win his job back. People are sleeping on him.My 2 cents.

Gonzalez was overrated when healthy - now he doesn't even have that. I don't believe he'll ever get back to where he was. Garcon is easily the one to own here.

Why was he overrated? And what is stopping him from making a full recovery?

 

[az_prof]

I don't think I wan any of them TBH. Too much uncertainty. I guess if I had to answer the question, whichever one I could latest and cheapest. It's like a lottery and since the difference in value between the lottery tickets is so small I want whichever one I can get cheapest.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Gonzalez if healthy can win his job back. People are sleeping on him.My 2 cents.

Gonzalez was overrated when healthy - now he doesn't even have that. I don't believe he'll ever get back to where he was. Garcon is easily the one to own here.

Why was he overrated? And what is stopping him from making a full recovery?

Overrated because he's never had more than 57 catches or 664 yards in a season and his ADP last year was #19 among WRs. Despite being questions if he could ever fill the #2 position since the slot appears to be his natural spot. He hasn't been medically cleared to participate in training camp. So he hasn't been able to recover in 9 months. There was never an adequate description of his injury, (just a PCL sprain? which was supposed to be treated non-surgically) He eventually had surgery and the injury was described as damage to ligaments, so it is believed he had knee damage in addition to his non-contact injury. "I don't know if I'll be 100 percent ever again with my knee," Gonzalez said. Add all of that with the emergence of Garcon and Collie, and I just don't see Gonzalez making his way back into fantasy relevance ever again.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Gonzalez if healthy can win his job back. People are sleeping on him.My 2 cents.

Gonzalez was overrated when healthy - now he doesn't even have that. I don't believe he'll ever get back to where he was. Garcon is easily the one to own here.

Why was he overrated? And what is stopping him from making a full recovery?

Overrated because he's never had more than 57 catches or 664 yards in a season and his ADP last year was #19 among WRs. Despite being questions if he could ever fill the #2 position since the slot appears to be his natural spot. He hasn't been medically cleared to participate in training camp. So he hasn't been able to recover in 9 months. There was never an adequate description of his injury, (just a PCL sprain? which was supposed to be treated non-surgically) He eventually had surgery and the injury was described as damage to ligaments, so it is believed he had knee damage in addition to his non-contact injury. "I don't know if I'll be 100 percent ever again with my knee," Gonzalez said. Add all of that with the emergence of Garcon and Collie, and I just don't see Gonzalez making his way back into fantasy relevance ever again.

Thanks that was a much better post which helped with your decision of seeing Gonzo as overrated.This year will go along way in how things are going to shake out the next few years in Indy. When is Gonzo's contract done? I think with the emergence of Garcon and Collie and if they can continue improving it will make it an easy decision to let Gonzo walk when his contract is up.Prior to his injury I happened to think Gonzo was one of the better slot WR's in the NFL. I don't know how things would have shaken out if Gonzo was not hurt and started the year as the number 2 guy outside with Wayne. I mean all last off season Steve Smith Giants was considered only a slot WR and that he did not have the ability to move outside but he soon quickly quieted his critics. As of right now I would say Wayne, Clark are going to be the only consistent weekly starter but Garcon is very close to joining them if he can continue on last years performance.Gonzo/Collie will perhaps start for someone on bye weeks and or through injury but they will be WR 4's at best.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Gonzalez if healthy can win his job back. People are sleeping on him.My 2 cents.

Gonzalez was overrated when healthy - now he doesn't even have that. I don't believe he'll ever get back to where he was. Garcon is easily the one to own here.

Why was he overrated? And what is stopping him from making a full recovery?

Overrated because he's never had more than 57 catches or 664 yards in a season and his ADP last year was #19 among WRs. Despite being questions if he could ever fill the #2 position since the slot appears to be his natural spot. He hasn't been medically cleared to participate in training camp. So he hasn't been able to recover in 9 months. There was never an adequate description of his injury, (just a PCL sprain? which was supposed to be treated non-surgically) He eventually had surgery and the injury was described as damage to ligaments, so it is believed he had knee damage in addition to his non-contact injury. "I don't know if I'll be 100 percent ever again with my knee," Gonzalez said. Add all of that with the emergence of Garcon and Collie, and I just don't see Gonzalez making his way back into fantasy relevance ever again.

"Ever again" is a pretty bold statement. Maybe even a foolish one.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Gonzalez if healthy can win his job back. People are sleeping on him.My 2 cents.

Gonzalez was overrated when healthy - now he doesn't even have that. I don't believe he'll ever get back to where he was. Garcon is easily the one to own here.

Why was he overrated? And what is stopping him from making a full recovery?

Overrated because he's never had more than 57 catches or 664 yards in a season and his ADP last year was #19 among WRs. Despite being questions if he could ever fill the #2 position since the slot appears to be his natural spot. He hasn't been medically cleared to participate in training camp. So he hasn't been able to recover in 9 months. There was never an adequate description of his injury, (just a PCL sprain? which was supposed to be treated non-surgically) He eventually had surgery and the injury was described as damage to ligaments, so it is believed he had knee damage in addition to his non-contact injury. "I don't know if I'll be 100 percent ever again with my knee," Gonzalez said. Add all of that with the emergence of Garcon and Collie, and I just don't see Gonzalez making his way back into fantasy relevance ever again.

"Ever again" is a pretty bold statement. Maybe even a foolish one.

There's no point in being luke-warm. It's what I believe. I've written him off and moved on. If I owned him in a dynasty I would try to see if anyone wanted him and get anything of value for him. If I couldn't move him I would drop him. I could be wrong, and if so, that's fine. If someone thinks he definitely will be a fantasy force down the road, more power to them - say so and explain why. People tend to hold onto guys too long and I would rather take a shot on someone else. I feel I'm more likely to be right than wrong about this one.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

There's no point in being luke-warm. It's what I believe. I've written him off and moved on. If I owned him in a dynasty I would try to see if anyone wanted him and get anything of value for him. If I couldn't move him I would drop him. I could be wrong, and if so, that's fine. If someone thinks he definitely will be a fantasy force down the road, more power to them - say so and explain why. People tend to hold onto guys too long and I would rather take a shot on someone else. I feel I'm more likely to be right than wrong about this one.

I tend to believe people cut bait to quickly on players rather than holding on to them too long, especially WRs. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people drop WR prospects because they don't produce their first year. f I love to pickup these guys after a couple of years and be rewarded for doing so.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

There's no point in being luke-warm. It's what I believe. I've written him off and moved on. If I owned him in a dynasty I would try to see if anyone wanted him and get anything of value for him. If I couldn't move him I would drop him. I could be wrong, and if so, that's fine. If someone thinks he definitely will be a fantasy force down the road, more power to them - say so and explain why. People tend to hold onto guys too long and I would rather take a shot on someone else. I feel I'm more likely to be right than wrong about this one.

I tend to believe people cut bait to quickly on players rather than holding on to them too long, especially WRs. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people drop WR prospects because they don't produce their first year. f I love to pickup these guys after a couple of years and be rewarded for doing so.

Good luck with that on him. IMO, he's had his shot and is now WW material. He's been by-passed on the roster talent-wise. THe best he could ever hope for would to be the #3 target on his team, but that would take a lot to happen. As such he'll probably be the 6th option, (after Wayne, Clark, Garcon, Collie, and Addai). He's still not healthy. And again, I think he was overrated from the get-go. Now, if you're targeting young guys who really haven't had a shot. Guys who were behind someone else, a bit slow to learn etc. There are plenty of examples of these types out there. Guys who have great talent, are healthy, but just haven't emerged yet- that's a different story. J. Charles, Austin Miles and Kevin Kolb are guys I can think of off the top of my head who were cut in one of my dynasties too early due to roster-space issues, and then snatched up later.

I could be wrong about Gonzalez, but I doubt it. And I can live with myself if I'm wrong. I'm kicking myself for not grabbing Garcon sooner in that league. But you only have so many roster spots. Again, thinking ahead and moving on and grabbing a Garcon is a good idea, but holding onto Gonzalez is not.

 

[treat88]

Personally I believe Garcon has the WR2 job locked up. He looked like a young Reggie Wayne as the season progressed, particularly in the playoffs.

Gonzo and Collie should share slot duties and collectively steal a few looks from Clark.

That said, if the roster spot is available I'd hedge my Garcon bet and roster Gonzo as well. One of them should have strong value in dynasty formats.

 

[Lash]

what people need to realize is that Reggie is no spring chicken and more than one of these 3 may be relevant 2012 and beyond

i'd prefer AGonz in startups because the price is minimal

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I think a lot depends on who Peyton likes and who he trusts. We all know Peyton is the one who will decide who is the #2 and who is the #4. Every time you see Peyton on the bench you see Gonzalez sitting right next to him and talking to him about who knows what. But to me that says a lot. I think Peyton trusts Gonzo and will be looking his way when he is on the field.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

what people need to realize is that Reggie is no spring chicken and more than one of these 3 may be relevant 2012 and beyondi'd prefer AGonz in startups because the price is minimal

He's only 31. He should have 3 years or more left as a quality starter for the Colts. Of course it is possible that the Colts decide not pay Reggie Wayne money if they're happy with the other three. I'm not sure when his contract is up.

 

[Todem]

There's no point in being luke-warm. It's what I believe. I've written him off and moved on. If I owned him in a dynasty I would try to see if anyone wanted him and get anything of value for him. If I couldn't move him I would drop him. I could be wrong, and if so, that's fine. If someone thinks he definitely will be a fantasy force down the road, more power to them - say so and explain why. People tend to hold onto guys too long and I would rather take a shot on someone else. I feel I'm more likely to be right than wrong about this one.

I tend to believe people cut bait to quickly on players rather than holding on to them too long, especially WRs. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people drop WR prospects because they don't produce their first year. f I love to pickup these guys after a couple of years and be rewarded for doing so.

Good luck with that on him. IMO, he's had his shot and is now WW material. He's been by-passed on the roster talent-wise. THe best he could ever hope for would to be the #3 target on his team, but that would take a lot to happen. As such he'll probably be the 6th option, (after Wayne, Clark, Garcon, Collie, and Addai). He's still not healthy. And again, I think he was overrated from the get-go. Now, if you're targeting young guys who really haven't had a shot. Guys who were behind someone else, a bit slow to learn etc. There are plenty of examples of these types out there. Guys who have great talent, are healthy, but just haven't emerged yet- that's a different story. J. Charles, Austin Miles and Kevin Kolb are guys I can think of off the top of my head who were cut in one of my dynasties too early due to roster-space issues, and then snatched up later.

I could be wrong about Gonzalez, but I doubt it. And I can live with myself if I'm wrong. I'm kicking myself for not grabbing Garcon sooner in that league. But you only have so many roster spots. Again, thinking ahead and moving on and grabbing a Garcon is a good idea, but holding onto Gonzalez is not.

I think your being a little ignorant about him..had his shot? The guy won the starting job before he had a knee injury.

Garcon had the drops and that can rear it's ugly ehad again..he does not have amazing hands...and I can tell you this...Gonzo after Wayne has the best hands on this team. Garcon is overvalued...Gonzo is under valued and worth the almost no risk to get him. I have seen too many deals already where Garcon is severly overvalued. IMO the only 2 guys I want 100% are Wayne and Clark...after that it is a total crap shoot.

But iF I were looking for sneaky value and being rewarded for it...Gonzo is the guy to get. Your dead wrong in your assement about it being over for him. But we all have our own way of looking at players and that's what makes this game fun to play.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

There's no point in being luke-warm. It's what I believe. I've written him off and moved on. If I owned him in a dynasty I would try to see if anyone wanted him and get anything of value for him. If I couldn't move him I would drop him. I could be wrong, and if so, that's fine. If someone thinks he definitely will be a fantasy force down the road, more power to them - say so and explain why. People tend to hold onto guys too long and I would rather take a shot on someone else. I feel I'm more likely to be right than wrong about this one.

I tend to believe people cut bait to quickly on players rather than holding on to them too long, especially WRs. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people drop WR prospects because they don't produce their first year. f I love to pickup these guys after a couple of years and be rewarded for doing so.

Good luck with that on him. IMO, he's had his shot and is now WW material. He's been by-passed on the roster talent-wise. THe best he could ever hope for would to be the #3 target on his team, but that would take a lot to happen. As such he'll probably be the 6th option, (after Wayne, Clark, Garcon, Collie, and Addai). He's still not healthy. And again, I think he was overrated from the get-go. Now, if you're targeting young guys who really haven't had a shot. Guys who were behind someone else, a bit slow to learn etc. There are plenty of examples of these types out there. Guys who have great talent, are healthy, but just haven't emerged yet- that's a different story. J. Charles, Austin Miles and Kevin Kolb are guys I can think of off the top of my head who were cut in one of my dynasties too early due to roster-space issues, and then snatched up later.

I could be wrong about Gonzalez, but I doubt it. And I can live with myself if I'm wrong. I'm kicking myself for not grabbing Garcon sooner in that league. But you only have so many roster spots. Again, thinking ahead and moving on and grabbing a Garcon is a good idea, but holding onto Gonzalez is not.

I think your being a little ignorant about him..had his shot? The guy won the starting job before he had a knee injury.

Garcon had the drops and that can rear it's ugly ehad again..he does not have amazing hands...and I can tell you this...Gonzo after Wayne has the best hands on this team. Garcon is overvalued...Gonzo is under valued and worth the almost no risk to get him. I have seen too many deals already where Garcon is severly overvalued. IMO the only 2 guys I want 100% are Wayne and Clark...after that it is a total crap shoot.

But iF I were looking for sneaky value and being rewarded for it...Gonzo is the guy to get. Your dead wrong in your assement about it being over for him. But we all have our own way of looking at players and that's what makes this game fun to play.

Garcon shined last year and ignore it if you want. I agree that Wayne and Clark are the guaranteeds in that offense, but Garcon made his statement, as did Collie. I may be dead wrong about my assessment about it being over for Gonzalez, but I could be right on. He's cheap to get right now, but he's priced appropriately IMO.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Gonzalez if healthy can win his job back. People are sleeping on him.My 2 cents.

Gonzalez was overrated when healthy - now he doesn't even have that. I don't believe he'll ever get back to where he was. Garcon is easily the one to own here.

Why was he overrated? And what is stopping him from making a full recovery?

Overrated because he's never had more than 57 catches or 664 yards in a season and his ADP last year was #19 among WRs. Despite being questions if he could ever fill the #2 position since the slot appears to be his natural spot. He hasn't been medically cleared to participate in training camp. So he hasn't been able to recover in 9 months. There was never an adequate description of his injury, (just a PCL sprain? which was supposed to be treated non-surgically) He eventually had surgery and the injury was described as damage to ligaments, so it is believed he had knee damage in addition to his non-contact injury. "I don't know if I'll be 100 percent ever again with my knee," Gonzalez said. Add all of that with the emergence of Garcon and Collie, and I just don't see Gonzalez making his way back into fantasy relevance ever again.

, esp the second paragraph. I had Gonzo on a redraft team last year and it was infuriating. They kept saying he would be back: week 6, week 8, week 10, week 12, the playoffs, etc. And now in May, they aren't sure he'll be ready for training camp. IMO, one of three things is true:1) He was hurt a lot worse than the Colts let on2) He's very slow at healing3) He can't play with painI'm guessing it's #1, but all three of those are bad. Add in the fact that I think he was much better in the slot and more suited for the slot and I can't see how people think he's beating out Garcon for WR2 on the outside. What am I missing? Now if you think as the WR3 in the slot he'll outproduce Garcon in his role as WR2 on the outside, OK. I disagree, but it's a discussion. Or if you are talking value and you can get Gonzo very late or for very little, sure, take the chance. But the idea that he is going to come back after missing pretty much the entire season and beat out Garcon for the WR2 spot on the outside seems crazy to me. I'd vote for taking Garcon in dynasty, unless he's overvalued in your league in which case Collie would be a great pickup.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

There's no point in being luke-warm. It's what I believe. I've written him off and moved on. If I owned him in a dynasty I would try to see if anyone wanted him and get anything of value for him. If I couldn't move him I would drop him. I could be wrong, and if so, that's fine. If someone thinks he definitely will be a fantasy force down the road, more power to them - say so and explain why. People tend to hold onto guys too long and I would rather take a shot on someone else. I feel I'm more likely to be right than wrong about this one.

I tend to believe people cut bait to quickly on players rather than holding on to them too long, especially WRs. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people drop WR prospects because they don't produce their first year. f I love to pickup these guys after a couple of years and be rewarded for doing so.

Good luck with that on him. IMO, he's had his shot and is now WW material. He's been by-passed on the roster talent-wise. THe best he could ever hope for would to be the #3 target on his team, but that would take a lot to happen. As such he'll probably be the 6th option, (after Wayne, Clark, Garcon, Collie, and Addai). He's still not healthy. And again, I think he was overrated from the get-go. Now, if you're targeting young guys who really haven't had a shot. Guys who were behind someone else, a bit slow to learn etc. There are plenty of examples of these types out there. Guys who have great talent, are healthy, but just haven't emerged yet- that's a different story. J. Charles, Austin Miles and Kevin Kolb are guys I can think of off the top of my head who were cut in one of my dynasties too early due to roster-space issues, and then snatched up later.

I could be wrong about Gonzalez, but I doubt it. And I can live with myself if I'm wrong. I'm kicking myself for not grabbing Garcon sooner in that league. But you only have so many roster spots. Again, thinking ahead and moving on and grabbing a Garcon is a good idea, but holding onto Gonzalez is not.

I think your being a little ignorant about him..had his shot? The guy won the starting job before he had a knee injury.

Garcon had the drops and that can rear it's ugly ehad again..he does not have amazing hands...and I can tell you this...Gonzo after Wayne has the best hands on this team. Garcon is overvalued...Gonzo is under valued and worth the almost no risk to get him. I have seen too many deals already where Garcon is severly overvalued. IMO the only 2 guys I want 100% are Wayne and Clark...after that it is a total crap shoot.

But iF I were looking for sneaky value and being rewarded for it...Gonzo is the guy to get. Your dead wrong in your assement about it being over for him. But we all have our own way of looking at players and that's what makes this game fun to play.

I don't think the winner of the starting job last year is relevant because the Garcon that competed with Gonzalez at the beginning of the year was nowhere near as good as the Garcon who ended the year.

 

[EBF]

Garcon is the most impressive athlete of the bunch. He would be my pick by a fairly wide margin.

Having said that, Gonzalez is an interesting buy low candidate. He could be worth something 2-3 years from now.

 

[KellysHeroes]

out of all the leagues I'm in, I only have Gonzo in one league and I don't have any of the others. Its just going to be a mess barring an injury or 2.. their all going to cancel each other out.

I would like to move Gonzo but his value is just to low right now.