Pack gonna let Randall Cobb test the market? (1 Viewer)

[fruity pebbles]

Fair offer but just too much money available. If that's their top he'll get 2-3 million a year more elsewhere.

 

[cstu]

so, we only have to go back 9 yrs to a team led by peyton manning beating rex grossman to find something?

ok

think that pretty much sums it up

spending 100m on the rest of your team doesn't look so great when everybody else can spend 120

1. The Packers aren't getting Belichick as head coach any time soon.

2. They aren't getting the Seahawks or Steelers defense soon either.

3. The Ravens won with a good defense and a QB on a rookie contract who got hot at the right time.

4. The Giants did won a couple of times, but IMO those wins were more fluky than won by design.

The Packers identity - like the Colts were - is as a passing team. By re-signing Cobb they don't have to worry about WR at all for the next 3 years since Adams is on his rookie deal until then. They also have a serviceable TE with 3 years left on his rookie deal. All of their draft picks and money can be focused on OL and defense.

take that, giants fans

all of their money can't be focused on ol and d because it's sunk into wr --- that's how that works

if they let cobb walk and sink the money into ol and d then their draft picks can just be focused on wr -- well, one of them, anyway.

No disrespect meant, but they were 10-6 and 9-7 teams with offense/defense point rankings of 14/17 and 9/25, respectively.

 

[cstu]

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers have told Cobb’s agent Jimmy Sexton that they are willing to giveCobb a five-year contract worth between $8 and $9 million a season, which is less than Sexton believes Cobb will receive on the open market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-randall-cobb-expecting-more-than-packers-offer-of-8-9-million-a-year/

Yeah, but with what guarantees?

THe argument isn't whether the average is a million or two more for Cobb, it's how much money will he get in guarantees? If the Pack offers 18 mill over the next two years, and some other team is offering 26 mill, that's a huge difference, and real money. And that's the deal he needs to take.

I don't think people realize exactly how much cap space there is out there. THere are several teams that can give him half the cash of a five year deal on the first two years, making him a bargain for the last three years of the deal.

Packers could offer him $9M a year but guarantee $30M.

 

[Phenomena]

Cobb is gone.

A league source told Packer Report's Bill Huber the Raiders are considering offering free agent Randall Cobb "a blockbuster deal."
The same source said Jacksonville is "prepared to make a run" at Cobb. The source claims Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie -- an ex-Packers personnel man -- is willing to offer Cobb $11 million annually, a price Green Bay GM Ted Thompson almost certainly wouldn't match. Cobb would replace James Jones as the Raiders' slot receiver. His fantasy outlook would take a huge blow in Oakland

I don't really believe that. They're probably just getting GB to up their end of the deal. Believe nothing until contracts are signed. $11M is absurd for a slot WR.

I 100% believe it. Raiders and Jags can front load the contract so much, that the cap numbers later are more in line with a $9 mill contract.

Cap money carries over if they don't use it. It's still wasting millions on a slot WR. Dime a dozen. He's been successful because of Rodgers.

 

[massraider]

Cap money carries over if they don't use it. It's still wasting millions on a slot WR. Dime a dozen. He's been successful because of Rodgers.

Teams also have to use a certain percentage of the cap over four years. You can't just roll over extra money forever.

Randall Cobb is not only not a dime-a-dozen, he's a pretty unique specimen as a player.

You are about to see a bunch, A BUNCH, of players about to be overpaid. Look at how many teams have a lot of space!! There's not enough studs to go around. The minute Maclin signs, Cobb becomes even MORE attractive.

 

[Phenomena]

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers have told Cobb’s agent Jimmy Sexton that they are willing to giveCobb a five-year contract worth between $8 and $9 million a season, which is less than Sexton believes Cobb will receive on the open market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-randall-cobb-expecting-more-than-packers-offer-of-8-9-million-a-year/

There's just no way that a 5'10" 195 lb. slot receiver is going to get $11M/year. He would be the 8th highest paid WR in the league. That kind of money is reserved for the big boys that bang outside and are red-zone threats against the best corners in the league - Julio, Dez, Demaryious, Fitz in his prime, Calvin, etc.

Cobb had a lot of TDs because of broken plays where Rodgers found him, and Rodgers can do that with anyone. If Cobb is holding out for $11M/year, good riddens. That money can be used to lock up the next group of core players (Hayward, Lacy, Bahktiari) and patch some holes with the lower tier of free agents.

 

[Phenomena]

Cap money carries over if they don't use it. It's still wasting millions on a slot WR. Dime a dozen. He's been successful because of Rodgers.

Teams also have to use a certain percentage of the cap over four years. You can't just roll over extra money forever.

Randall Cobb is not only not a dime-a-dozen, he's a pretty unique specimen as a player.

You are about to see a bunch, A BUNCH, of players about to be overpaid. Look at how many teams have a lot of space!! There's not enough studs to go around. The minute Maclin signs, Cobb becomes even MORE attractive.

I know that, and Oakland doesn't have to spend very much to get over that threshold, which doesn't come into effect until next year. It's a rolling 4-year average.

I adamantly disagree that Cobb is that much more special than any other slot WR. He's not doing anything much better than Edelman, whom is making $5M per year. Their QBs are future HoF's and that's why they are successful.

I might buy the argument of people getting overpaid due to the cap increasing, but if I was Jordy I'd be pissed. He's way more valuable as a receiver than Cobb and Cobb may be paid more. I can see the Packers getting close but not overtaking Jordy's deal ($9.7M/year). That would kind of be a slap in the face.

 

[12punch]

but you're forgetting the system that carried peyton manning to 1 superbowl

 

[Touchdown There]

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers have told Cobb’s agent Jimmy Sexton that they are willing to giveCobb a five-year contract worth between $8 and $9 million a season, which is less than Sexton believes Cobb will receive on the open market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-randall-cobb-expecting-more-than-packers-offer-of-8-9-million-a-year/

There's just no way that a 5'10" 195 lb. slot receiver is going to get $11M/year. He would be the 8th highest paid WR in the league. That kind of money is reserved for the big boys that bang outside and are red-zone threats against the best corners in the league - Julio, Dez, Demaryious, Fitz in his prime, Calvin, etc.

Cobb had a lot of TDs because of broken plays where Rodgers found him, and Rodgers can do that with anyone. If Cobb is holding out for $11M/year, good riddens. That money can be used to lock up the next group of core players (Hayward, Lacy, Bahktiari) and patch some holes with the lower tier of free agents.

I agree with this. I also think that GB has a couple of guys waiting in the wings at WR that will surprise. Cobb is likely to follow the path of Jennings and James Jones to a bigger payday.

 

[Banger]

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers have told Cobb’s agent Jimmy Sexton that they are willing to giveCobb a five-year contract worth between $8 and $9 million a season, which is less than Sexton believes Cobb will receive on the open market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-randall-cobb-expecting-more-than-packers-offer-of-8-9-million-a-year/

There's just no way that a 5'10" 195 lb. slot receiver is going to get $11M/year. He would be the 8th highest paid WR in the league. That kind of money is reserved for the big boys that bang outside and are red-zone threats against the best corners in the league - Julio, Dez, Demaryious, Fitz in his prime, Calvin, etc.

Cobb had a lot of TDs because of broken plays where Rodgers found him, and Rodgers can do that with anyone. If Cobb is holding out for $11M/year, good riddens. That money can be used to lock up the next group of core players (Hayward, Lacy, Bahktiari) and patch some holes with the lower tier of free agents.

timing is everything in life and while he's not the 8th best wr in the league he's going to get a huge payday as it's a passing league, some teams have needs at WR, there's a ton of cap room available and he's one of the better / best FA wr's. It won't be long until an $11 mill wr is a more middle of the road wr as the cap keeps increasing.....

 

[JonB86]

Cap money carries over if they don't use it. It's still wasting millions on a slot WR. Dime a dozen. He's been successful because of Rodgers.

Teams also have to use a certain percentage of the cap over four years. You can't just roll over extra money forever.

Randall Cobb is not only not a dime-a-dozen, he's a pretty unique specimen as a player.

You are about to see a bunch, A BUNCH, of players about to be overpaid. Look at how many teams have a lot of space!! There's not enough studs to go around. The minute Maclin signs, Cobb becomes even MORE attractive.

I know that, and Oakland doesn't have to spend very much to get over that threshold, which doesn't come into effect until next year. It's a rolling 4-year average.

I adamantly disagree that Cobb is that much more special than any other slot WR. He's not doing anything much better than Edelman, whom is making $5M per year. Their QBs are future HoF's and that's why they are successful.

I might buy the argument of people getting overpaid due to the cap increasing, but if I was Jordy I'd be pissed. He's way more valuable as a receiver than Cobb and Cobb may be paid more. I can see the Packers getting close but not overtaking Jordy's deal ($9.7M/year). That would kind of be a slap in the face.

Jordy is older and he took the deal with a year left on his contract, he chose to negate the injury risk and take the money on the table, Cobb didn't, it's not a slap in the face to Jordy, he chose not to gamble, Cobb has gambled and will win. If Jordy wants to be pissed at someone it would be himself or his agent but in reality he knows he gave up some money for security and putting the injury risk on the team so I doubt he would be.

 

[kface]

Cap money carries over if they don't use it. It's still wasting millions on a slot WR. Dime a dozen. He's been successful because of Rodgers.

Teams also have to use a certain percentage of the cap over four years. You can't just roll over extra money forever.

Randall Cobb is not only not a dime-a-dozen, he's a pretty unique specimen as a player.

You are about to see a bunch, A BUNCH, of players about to be overpaid. Look at how many teams have a lot of space!! There's not enough studs to go around. The minute Maclin signs, Cobb becomes even MORE attractive.

I know that, and Oakland doesn't have to spend very much to get over that threshold, which doesn't come into effect until next year. It's a rolling 4-year average.

I adamantly disagree that Cobb is that much more special than any other slot WR. He's not doing anything much better than Edelman, whom is making $5M per year. Their QBs are future HoF's and that's why they are successful.

I might buy the argument of people getting overpaid due to the cap increasing, but if I was Jordy I'd be pissed. He's way more valuable as a receiver than Cobb and Cobb may be paid more. I can see the Packers getting close but not overtaking Jordy's deal ($9.7M/year). That would kind of be a slap in the face.

And I still say if I am Cobb I think about my career on the packers vs. my career on the raiders or jags...one potential HOF, the others washed up and out of the league in 6 years.

Edit to add that I am Cobb dynasty owner. I have watched him play a ton and I Don't think he is all that. He's a good wr...but there are a ton of good wrs.

 

[Phenomena]

Cap money carries over if they don't use it. It's still wasting millions on a slot WR. Dime a dozen. He's been successful because of Rodgers.

Teams also have to use a certain percentage of the cap over four years. You can't just roll over extra money forever.

Randall Cobb is not only not a dime-a-dozen, he's a pretty unique specimen as a player.

You are about to see a bunch, A BUNCH, of players about to be overpaid. Look at how many teams have a lot of space!! There's not enough studs to go around. The minute Maclin signs, Cobb becomes even MORE attractive.

I know that, and Oakland doesn't have to spend very much to get over that threshold, which doesn't come into effect until next year. It's a rolling 4-year average.

I adamantly disagree that Cobb is that much more special than any other slot WR. He's not doing anything much better than Edelman, whom is making $5M per year. Their QBs are future HoF's and that's why they are successful.

I might buy the argument of people getting overpaid due to the cap increasing, but if I was Jordy I'd be pissed. He's way more valuable as a receiver than Cobb and Cobb may be paid more. I can see the Packers getting close but not overtaking Jordy's deal ($9.7M/year). That would kind of be a slap in the face.

Jordy is older and he took the deal with a year left on his contract, he chose to negate the injury risk and take the money on the table, Cobb didn't, it's not a slap in the face to Jordy, he chose not to gamble, Cobb has gambled and will win. If Jordy wants to be pissed at someone it would be himself or his agent but in reality he knows he gave up some money for security and putting the injury risk on the team so I doubt he would be.

Hogwash. That contract made Jordy the 7th highest paid WR in the league at that point it was signed. He left no money on the table.

On the contrary, I think he was signed to MORE than his market value last summer because he outplayed his previous contract. Remember the free agent market for WRs last summer? It was awful. Eric Decker is basically the same player, with a better vertical, and got $7M/year from the Jets. The Packers gave Jordy $9.7M/year.

The only thing that's changed this year is that the awful teams have mismanaged their draft/players/cap to such an unbelievable extent that they have up to $60M in cap space to burn.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Cap money carries over if they don't use it. It's still wasting millions on a slot WR. Dime a dozen. He's been successful because of Rodgers.

Teams also have to use a certain percentage of the cap over four years. You can't just roll over extra money forever.

Randall Cobb is not only not a dime-a-dozen, he's a pretty unique specimen as a player.

You are about to see a bunch, A BUNCH, of players about to be overpaid. Look at how many teams have a lot of space!! There's not enough studs to go around. The minute Maclin signs, Cobb becomes even MORE attractive.

I know that, and Oakland doesn't have to spend very much to get over that threshold, which doesn't come into effect until next year. It's a rolling 4-year average.

I adamantly disagree that Cobb is that much more special than any other slot WR. He's not doing anything much better than Edelman, whom is making $5M per year. Their QBs are future HoF's and that's why they are successful.

I might buy the argument of people getting overpaid due to the cap increasing, but if I was Jordy I'd be pissed. He's way more valuable as a receiver than Cobb and Cobb may be paid more. I can see the Packers getting close but not overtaking Jordy's deal ($9.7M/year). That would kind of be a slap in the face.

And I still say if I am Cobb I think about my career on the packers vs. my career on the raiders or jags...one potential HOF, the others washed up and out of the league in 6 years.

Edit to add that I am Cobb dynasty owner. I have watched him play a ton and I Don't think he is all that. He's a good wr...but there are a ton of good wrs.

Oh if Cobb stays hes a HOF'r now? gimme a break

 

[beef]

Cobb is gone.

A league source told Packer Report's Bill Huber the Raiders are considering offering free agent Randall Cobb "a blockbuster deal."

The same source said Jacksonville is "prepared to make a run" at Cobb. The source claims Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie -- an ex-Packers personnel man -- is willing to offer Cobb $11 million annually, a price Green Bay GM Ted Thompson almost certainly wouldn't match. Cobb would replace James Jones as the Raiders' slot receiver. His fantasy outlook would take a huge blow in Oakland


I don't really believe that. They're probably just getting GB to up their end of the deal. Believe nothing until contracts are signed. $11M is absurd for a slot WR.

I 100% believe it. Raiders and Jags can front load the contract so much, that the cap numbers later are more in line with a $9 mill contract.

Cap money carries over if they don't use it. It's still wasting millions on a slot WR. Dime a dozen. He's been successful because of Rodgers.

Yes and the packers carried over 7.5 from last year.

 

[pizzatyme]

The hyperbole is think in these parts!

 

[The Westin]

Can't blame GB for passing and can't blame Cobb for taking the money.He might be able to get $3 million / year more in free agency.

If you're going to let a talent like Cobb go, you better use that money wisely.

Most Pack fans are more worried about losing Bulaga, but his position doesn't garner the attention of Cobb's.

 

[cstu]

Oh if Cobb stays hes a HOF'r now? gimme a break

If he plays with Rodgers until the end of his career and catches 100 TD's you're going to keep him out?

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Oh if Cobb stays hes a HOF'r now? gimme a break

If he plays with Rodgers until the end of his career and catches 100 TD's you're going to keep him out?

You look silly right now.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Oh if Cobb stays hes a HOF'r now? gimme a break

If he plays with Rodgers until the end of his career and catches 100 TD's you're going to keep him out?

You look silly right now.

he looks silly in every thread

 

[The Kerminator]

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers have told Cobb’s agent Jimmy Sexton that they are willing to giveCobb a five-year contract worth between $8 and $9 million a season, which is less than Sexton believes Cobb will receive on the open market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-randall-cobb-expecting-more-than-packers-offer-of-8-9-million-a-year/

Yeah, but with what guarantees?

THe argument isn't whether the average is a million or two more for Cobb, it's how much money will he get in guarantees? If the Pack offers 18 mill over the next two years, and some other team is offering 26 mill, that's a huge difference, and real money. And that's the deal he needs to take.

I don't think people realize exactly how much cap space there is out there. THere are several teams that can give him half the cash of a five year deal on the first two years, making him a bargain for the last three years of the deal.

Packers could offer him $9M a year but guarantee $30M.

Yeah, they could. But if all that money is front-loaded into this year's salary cap what do you do about all the other free agents they have?

Raiders and Jaguars have about 20+ million more in cap space to play with. They can easily front load the contract with a huge signing bonus as opposed to the Packers. In a violent sport like football, your career could be over in one play. You take the money when you can get it. Waiting and hoping for a bigger payday in 4 or 5 years is just living in fantasy land.

 

[cstu]

Oh if Cobb stays hes a HOF'r now? gimme a break

If he plays with Rodgers until the end of his career and catches 100 TD's you're going to keep him out?

You look silly right now.

he looks silly in every thread

As opposed to your brilliant insight in every thread. ****.

 

[The Kerminator]

Cap money carries over if they don't use it. It's still wasting millions on a slot WR. Dime a dozen. He's been successful because of Rodgers.

Teams also have to use a certain percentage of the cap over four years. You can't just roll over extra money forever.

Randall Cobb is not only not a dime-a-dozen, he's a pretty unique specimen as a player.

You are about to see a bunch, A BUNCH, of players about to be overpaid. Look at how many teams have a lot of space!! There's not enough studs to go around. The minute Maclin signs, Cobb becomes even MORE attractive.

I know that, and Oakland doesn't have to spend very much to get over that threshold, which doesn't come into effect until next year. It's a rolling 4-year average.

I adamantly disagree that Cobb is that much more special than any other slot WR. He's not doing anything much better than Edelman, whom is making $5M per year. Their QBs are future HoF's and that's why they are successful.

I might buy the argument of people getting overpaid due to the cap increasing, but if I was Jordy I'd be pissed. He's way more valuable as a receiver than Cobb and Cobb may be paid more. I can see the Packers getting close but not overtaking Jordy's deal ($9.7M/year). That would kind of be a slap in the face.

And I still say if I am Cobb I think about my career on the packers vs. my career on the raiders or jags...one potential HOF, the others washed up and out of the league in 6 years.

Edit to add that I am Cobb dynasty owner. I have watched him play a ton and I Don't think he is all that. He's a good wr...but there are a ton of good wrs.

Your second sentence kinda negates you first sentence. You don't think he's all that but yet you think he is a HOF WR if he stays in GB?

 

[12punch]

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers have told Cobb’s agent Jimmy Sexton that they are willing to giveCobb a five-year contract worth between $8 and $9 million a season, which is less than Sexton believes Cobb will receive on the open market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-randall-cobb-expecting-more-than-packers-offer-of-8-9-million-a-year/

Yeah, but with what guarantees?

THe argument isn't whether the average is a million or two more for Cobb, it's how much money will he get in guarantees? If the Pack offers 18 mill over the next two years, and some other team is offering 26 mill, that's a huge difference, and real money. And that's the deal he needs to take.

I don't think people realize exactly how much cap space there is out there. THere are several teams that can give him half the cash of a five year deal on the first two years, making him a bargain for the last three years of the deal.

Packers could offer him $9M a year but guarantee $30M.

Yeah, they could. But if all that money is front-loaded into this year's salary cap what do you do about all the other free agents they have?

Raiders and Jaguars have about 20+ million more in cap space to play with. They can easily front load the contract with a huge signing bonus as opposed to the Packers. In a violent sport like football, your career could be over in one play. You take the money when you can get it. Waiting and hoping for a bigger payday in 4 or 5 years is just living in fantasy land.

signing bonuses are exactly what you do to ameliorate the current cap hit --- all that does is frontload cash

 

[Phenomena]

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that the Packers have told Cobb’s agent Jimmy Sexton that they are willing to giveCobb a five-year contract worth between $8 and $9 million a season, which is less than Sexton believes Cobb will receive on the open market.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-randall-cobb-expecting-more-than-packers-offer-of-8-9-million-a-year/

Yeah, but with what guarantees?

THe argument isn't whether the average is a million or two more for Cobb, it's how much money will he get in guarantees? If the Pack offers 18 mill over the next two years, and some other team is offering 26 mill, that's a huge difference, and real money. And that's the deal he needs to take.

I don't think people realize exactly how much cap space there is out there. THere are several teams that can give him half the cash of a five year deal on the first two years, making him a bargain for the last three years of the deal.

Packers could offer him $9M a year but guarantee $30M.

Yeah, they could. But if all that money is front-loaded into this year's salary cap what do you do about all the other free agents they have?

Raiders and Jaguars have about 20+ million more in cap space to play with. They can easily front load the contract with a huge signing bonus as opposed to the Packers. In a violent sport like football, your career could be over in one play. You take the money when you can get it. Waiting and hoping for a bigger payday in 4 or 5 years is just living in fantasy land.

signing bonuses are exactly what you do to ameliorate the current cap hit --- all that does is frontload cash

Yes, signing bonus frontloads cash and spreads out the cap hit evenly among the years of the contract.

If Cobb leaves for the Jags or Raiders I would expect him to have a large guaranteed amount, small signing bonus, and large first year salary. They could technically pay him $30M in year one base guaranteed, then $3M each not-guaranteed in another four subsequent seasons. That's an extreme example, but much more likely than a huge signing bonus.

Then again this is the Raiders we are talking about and they manage to screw up the simplest stuff. Watch Suh get a $30M signing bonus...

 

[ryno1980]

So it's leaning toward Cobb signing elsewhere as of now?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

So it's leaning toward Cobb signing elsewhere as of now?

Yes, that seems most likely, but there is still plenty of time left to work a deal if there's a deal to be made. The Packers have exclusive negotiating rights through Saturday afternoon and exclusive signing rights through Tuesday afternoon.

 

[Banger]

So it's leaning toward Cobb signing elsewhere as of now?

Yes, that seems most likely, but there is still plenty of time left to work a deal if there's a deal to be made. The Packers have exclusive negotiating rights through Saturday afternoon and exclusive signing rights through Tuesday afternoon.

Every day though there's less of a chance he signs. Personally he'd be stupid to not seek free agency and at least know what the market is.

 

[Phenomena]

So it's leaning toward Cobb signing elsewhere as of now?

Yes, that seems most likely, but there is still plenty of time left to work a deal if there's a deal to be made. The Packers have exclusive negotiating rights through Saturday afternoon and exclusive signing rights through Tuesday afternoon.

Every day though there's less of a chance he signs. Personally he'd be stupid to not seek free agency and at least know what the market is.

Why do we need to keep going over this? That's not true. Shields would have cost himself $2M/year by waiting one more day for free agency to open. There's definitely a plus to signing if the hyped-market ends up bottoming out.

I don't believe anything until the contract is signed.

It's likely smoke from Cobb's agent to increase the Packers' price. No team is paying $11M/year for a slot receiver. That'd be 20% increase on the highest slot WR contract (Cruz). Not happening.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

So it's leaning toward Cobb signing elsewhere as of now?

Yes, that seems most likely, but there is still plenty of time left to work a deal if there's a deal to be made. The Packers have exclusive negotiating rights through Saturday afternoon and exclusive signing rights through Tuesday afternoon.

Every day though there's less of a chance he signs. Personally he'd be stupid to not seek free agency and at least know what the market is.

Why do we need to keep going over this? That's not true. Shields would have cost himself $2M/year by waiting one more day for free agency to open. There's definitely a plus to signing if the hyped-market ends up bottoming out.

I don't believe anything until the contract is signed.

It's likely smoke from Cobb's agent to increase the Packers' price. No team is paying $11M/year for a slot receiver. That'd be 20% increase on the highest slot WR contract (Cruz). Not happening.

Believe the cap has gone up about 15% since Cruz signed that deal. He also took that deal as a restricted free agent. He had another year to go to free agency.

Cobb is a UFA, and the league is flush with salary cap dollars. I wouldn't be shocked if it goes over 12/year for him.

Cobb is a very good player, but he's not worth that kind of money too them. They could get Vereen to do much of the same stuff and for 1/3 the price. I doubt the Packers offensive ranking changes much without Cobb.

 

[mr roboto]

Vereen is now like Cobb? This guy gets no respect.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

So it's leaning toward Cobb signing elsewhere as of now?

Yes, that seems most likely, but there is still plenty of time left to work a deal if there's a deal to be made. The Packers have exclusive negotiating rights through Saturday afternoon and exclusive signing rights through Tuesday afternoon.

Every day though there's less of a chance he signs. Personally he'd be stupid to not seek free agency and at least know what the market is.

Why do we need to keep going over this? That's not true. Shields would have cost himself $2M/year by waiting one more day for free agency to open. There's definitely a plus to signing if the hyped-market ends up bottoming out.

I don't believe anything until the contract is signed.

It's likely smoke from Cobb's agent to increase the Packers' price. No team is paying $11M/year for a slot receiver. That'd be 20% increase on the highest slot WR contract (Cruz). Not happening.

It is the silly season during the first week of free agency. The time when Daniel Schneider might make Haynesworth a $100,000,000 offer to play out of position, or where Mike Wallace can be promised $12, 000,000 per year. Folks might think the #2 W.R. opposite Michael Irvin is actually a #1, its plain crazy out there. Nothing would surprise me as some franchises just can't hold there water during this time. Desperate owners and rabid, uneducated fan bases can push GM's in danger of losing their jobs to some weird decisions. Cobb should get around $45 to $48 million over 5 years with around $18 million guaranteed. The Packers may well go that far, but I can easily see Reggie McKenzie offering $56 million over 5 years with $23 million guaranteed, and Cobb not being able to turn that down. Cobb will like the apparent respect of the larger numbers. He will convince himself that he is joining an up and coming Q.B. who will join the elite class in another two years, and he may just be right. He might be fine there. This may not turn out to be the Greg Jennings story redux. Then again, it may. At this point it is all speculation, and I am speculating that Cobb might be willing to consider sacrificing some dollars, but not th ekind I have postulated here.

 

[Milkman]

So it's leaning toward Cobb signing elsewhere as of now?

Yes, that seems most likely, but there is still plenty of time left to work a deal if there's a deal to be made. The Packers have exclusive negotiating rights through Saturday afternoon and exclusive signing rights through Tuesday afternoon.

Every day though there's less of a chance he signs. Personally he'd be stupid to not seek free agency and at least know what the market is.

Why do we need to keep going over this? That's not true. Shields would have cost himself $2M/year by waiting one more day for free agency to open. There's definitely a plus to signing if the hyped-market ends up bottoming out.

I don't believe anything until the contract is signed.

It's likely smoke from Cobb's agent to increase the Packers' price. No team is paying $11M/year for a slot receiver. That'd be 20% increase on the highest slot WR contract (Cruz). Not happening.

Believe the cap has gone up about 15% since Cruz signed that deal. He also took that deal as a restricted free agent. He had another year to go to free agency.

Cobb is a UFA, and the league is flush with salary cap dollars. I wouldn't be shocked if it goes over 12/year for him.

Cobb is a very good player, but he's not worth that kind of money too them. They could get Vereen to do much of the same stuff and for 1/3 the price. I doubt the Packers offensive ranking changes much without Cobb.

They can just draft another slot WR in the second round......

 

[FUBAR]

Cobb is gone.

A league source told Packer Report's Bill Huber the Raiders are considering offering free agent Randall Cobb "a blockbuster deal."
The same source said Jacksonville is "prepared to make a run" at Cobb. The source claims Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie -- an ex-Packers personnel man -- is willing to offer Cobb $11 million annually, a price Green Bay GM Ted Thompson almost certainly wouldn't match. Cobb would replace James Jones as the Raiders' slot receiver. His fantasy outlook would take a huge blow in Oakland

I don't really believe that. They're probably just getting GB to up their end of the deal. Believe nothing until contracts are signed. $11M is absurd for a slot WR.

Cobb is an absurd slot WR.

Is he worth it? Maybe not. But he's going to get it from a team desperate for an excellent young receiver. Any team with a young QB will benefit enormously from Cobb. Plus many teams want to make a splash in FA. Packers aren't one of those teams as they're more disciplined with their money.

Cobb is a very good player, but he's not worth that kind of money too them. They could get Vereen to do much of the same stuff and for 1/3 the price. I doubt the Packers offensive ranking changes much without Cobb.

Vereen is a fine player but he's not close to Cobb.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The Packers did draft three wide receivers last year (albeit two pretty late). It seems like they were preparing for this. I am sure they would love to keep Cobb but credit to them for planning ahead and sticking with their disciplined approach. If he comes back for the amount they want to pay them so be it, if not they will work with the pieces they have and make it work.

 

[ghostguy123]

I know I already said this, but if this is me no way I go somewhere that will kill my production and play with a QB who probably also gets me killed cause he hangs me out to dry 50 times cause I am his only weapon.

I'll take a perceived 2 million a year less and take a contract that probably ends up making me more in my career anyway.

 

[Banger]

So it's leaning toward Cobb signing elsewhere as of now?

Yes, that seems most likely, but there is still plenty of time left to work a deal if there's a deal to be made. The Packers have exclusive negotiating rights through Saturday afternoon and exclusive signing rights through Tuesday afternoon.

Every day though there's less of a chance he signs. Personally he'd be stupid to not seek free agency and at least know what the market is.

Why do we need to keep going over this? That's not true. Shields would have cost himself $2M/year by waiting one more day for free agency to open. There's definitely a plus to signing if the hyped-market ends up bottoming out.

I don't believe anything until the contract is signed.

It's likely smoke from Cobb's agent to increase the Packers' price. No team is paying $11M/year for a slot receiver. That'd be 20% increase on the highest slot WR contract (Cruz). Not happening.

I think he'll get paid you don't. We'll see in a few days. I like my odds.It's not a question of worth. Its supply and demand. There's a huge supply of money and cap space and not many wr's of his age and caliber available.

 

[Banger]

I know I already said this, but if this is me no way I go somewhere that will kill my production and play with a QB who probably also gets me killed cause he hangs me out to dry 50 times cause I am his only weapon.

I'll take a perceived 2 million a year less and take a contract that probably ends up making me more in my career anyway.

Easy to say from behind a keyboard but nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. He could blow out his knee in training camp and his career done before he steps on the field. Davonte Adams could go nuts this year and the Pack end up cutting Cobb in two years as he's the #3 wr and Adams needs to get paid and they have good wrs behind him. 2 mill a year over several years is a HUGE amount of money. That's why guys take the money and he won't be the exception.

 

[flapgreen]

I know I already said this, but if this is me no way I go somewhere that will kill my production and play with a QB who probably also gets me killed cause he hangs me out to dry 50 times cause I am his only weapon.

I'll take a perceived 2 million a year less and take a contract that probably ends up making me more in my career anyway.

Easy to say from behind a keyboard but nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. He could blow out his knee in training camp and his career done before he steps on the field. Davonte Adams could go nuts this year and the Pack end up cutting Cobb in two years as he's the #3 wr and Adams needs to get paid and they have good wrs behind him. 2 mill a year over several years is a HUGE amount of money. That's why guys take the money and he won't be the exception.

Exactly

 

[Sabertooth]

Hard to say what he'll do when we don't know what the offers are actually going to be. I don't see him leaving 2M per year on the table as a hometown discount though either.

 

[FUBAR]

I know I already said this, but if this is me no way I go somewhere that will kill my production and play with a QB who probably also gets me killed cause he hangs me out to dry 50 times cause I am his only weapon.

I'll take a perceived 2 million a year less and take a contract that probably ends up making me more in my career anyway.

Easy to say from behind a keyboard but nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. He could blow out his knee in training camp and his career done before he steps on the field. Davonte Adams could go nuts this year and the Pack end up cutting Cobb in two years as he's the #3 wr and Adams needs to get paid and they have good wrs behind him. 2 mill a year over several years is a HUGE amount of money. That's why guys take the money and he won't be the exception.

Exactly

You might very well be right, probably are. But people take 20% less in salary for benefits and intangible reasons often.

I don't know if Cobb is especially tied to green bay but there are reasons he could prefer to stay.

75% chance he's gone.

 

[ghostguy123]

I know I already said this, but if this is me no way I go somewhere that will kill my production and play with a QB who probably also gets me killed cause he hangs me out to dry 50 times cause I am his only weapon.

I'll take a perceived 2 million a year less and take a contract that probably ends up making me more in my career anyway.

Easy to say from behind a keyboard but nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. He could blow out his knee in training camp and his career done before he steps on the field. Davonte Adams could go nuts this year and the Pack end up cutting Cobb in two years as he's the #3 wr and Adams needs to get paid and they have good wrs behind him. 2 mill a year over several years is a HUGE amount of money. That's why guys take the money and he won't be the exception.

Guaranteed money sure.

 

[The Westin]

I know I already said this, but if this is me no way I go somewhere that will kill my production and play with a QB who probably also gets me killed cause he hangs me out to dry 50 times cause I am his only weapon.

I'll take a perceived 2 million a year less and take a contract that probably ends up making me more in my career anyway.

Easy to say from behind a keyboard but nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. He could blow out his knee in training camp and his career done before he steps on the field. Davonte Adams could go nuts this year and the Pack end up cutting Cobb in two years as he's the #3 wr and Adams needs to get paid and they have good wrs behind him.2 mill a year over several years is a HUGE amount of money. That's why guys take the money and he won't be the exception.

And this is really what it will come down to.

Yes, there's a chance that he could make more money in the long run by staying in GB.

But it looks like we're talking about a difference of $2-3 million per year. Nobody would pass that up.

He's already bet on himself once and won big. I'm sure he thinks he can be successful wherever he goes.

 

[Banger]

I know I already said this, but if this is me no way I go somewhere that will kill my production and play with a QB who probably also gets me killed cause he hangs me out to dry 50 times cause I am his only weapon.

I'll take a perceived 2 million a year less and take a contract that probably ends up making me more in my career anyway.

Easy to say from behind a keyboard but nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. He could blow out his knee in training camp and his career done before he steps on the field. Davonte Adams could go nuts this year and the Pack end up cutting Cobb in two years as he's the #3 wr and Adams needs to get paid and they have good wrs behind him.2 mill a year over several years is a HUGE amount of money. That's why guys take the money and he won't be the exception.

And this is really what it will come down to.

Yes, there's a chance that he could make more money in the long run by staying in GB.

But it looks like we're talking about a difference of $2-3 million per year. Nobody would pass that up.

He's already bet on himself once and won big. I'm sure he thinks he can be successful wherever he goes.

I don't even think he'd make more money in GB. They are great at drafting wr's and have a couple good up and comers now. If Cobb is making $8-9 mill on the Pack in a few years and they have a tight cap and good WRs all around like they usually do he will get cut. Really the ONLY reason Cobb would stay is to have a much better proabability of being on a winning team.

 

[DocHolliday]

Cobb is still going.

Cobb is not a HOF or just an OK slot WR. Some of you guys look pretty silly trying to prove your point.

Cobb is a not a WR1 but he is a very good WR in a passing league. GB cannot overpay for Cobb as a few other teams will. The Jags and Raiders are just 2 of those teams. There are a handful of other teams in the mix. There may even be 10 other teams looking at Cobb. It is that kind of league no matter which WRs played in the SB this year. Not every NFL team has a Brady, Wilson, or great D.

Cobb would be stupid to leave milions of dollars/year on the table.

 

[sho nuff]

The Packers did draft three wide receivers last year (albeit two pretty late). It seems like they were preparing for this. I am sure they would love to keep Cobb but credit to them for planning ahead and sticking with their disciplined approach. If he comes back for the amount they want to pay them so be it, if not they will work with the pieces they have and make it work.

They were preparing for the possibility of losing Cobb or Nelson. Got Nelson signed before the season.

Problem is...out of the guys they drafted, the 2 that may be suited to do things like Cobb from the slot...didn't really play (one hurt early in camp).

On Vereen...it would be interesting...he would only "replace" what Cobb does out of the backfield. Not out of the slot.

 

[sho nuff]

I know I already said this, but if this is me no way I go somewhere that will kill my production and play with a QB who probably also gets me killed cause he hangs me out to dry 50 times cause I am his only weapon.

I'll take a perceived 2 million a year less and take a contract that probably ends up making me more in my career anyway.

Easy to say from behind a keyboard but nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. He could blow out his knee in training camp and his career done before he steps on the field. Davonte Adams could go nuts this year and the Pack end up cutting Cobb in two years as he's the #3 wr and Adams needs to get paid and they have good wrs behind him.2 mill a year over several years is a HUGE amount of money. That's why guys take the money and he won't be the exception.

If Adams goes off...they would likely let go Nelson before Cobb in 2 years because of age.

Or course there is no guarantees...but its not always just $2mil a year total because of those factors where he may lose out by going to a bad team.

 

[Silver & Black]

All I hear is that if he goes to Oakland, his fantasy value takes a huge hit. For the first time in a very long time, I can whisper some true optimism, and actually believe it. I would feel the best I've felt in a very long time if we go into camp with Carr, Murray, and Cobb, Jones and Cooper at WR. That offense has a chance to succeed and even be special in time. Manage to get Suh and I'm buying a ticket to the super bowl

 

[Silver & Black]

As for whether he should stay or go, I don't think there is a truly "right" answer. All sides have merit.

But to me, I think he should stay, even if he loses a fair amount of money in this deal. The GB offense is special for a lot of reasons. And it's in a groove. You gotta find a way not to mess with it. Can Adams be good. Sure. But how many times do you hear optimism in the offseason about a guy stepping up, and well, he sucks or doesn't work out. I believe Cobb is a special player and fits the GB offense to a tee. I think if and when he gets offers for somewhere between 11 & 12 million a year from the teams that have so much extra cap space etc., he should go back to GB and try to get 10 a year and call it a day. Yes, he's leaving significant money on the table, but he's remaining a part of a special offense with arguably then best QB in the league running it. Like I said, tough call, but I'd find a way to stay and try and grab those rings.

 

[JohnnyU]

All I hear is that if he goes to Oakland, his fantasy value takes a huge hit. For the first time in a very long time, I can whisper some true optimism, and actually believe it. I would feel the best I've felt in a very long time if we go into camp with Carr, Murray, and Cobb, Jones and Cooper at WR. That offense has a chance to succeed and even be special in time. Manage to get Suh and I'm buying a ticket to the super bowl

I like Carr's future.