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Sabertooth
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I think Witten is going to present bigtime problems for Green Bay.
I also think that the 5 WR formation the Packers use is going to present some trouble for Dallas.
I also think that the 5 WR formation the Packers use is going to present some trouble for Dallas.
DaWidowMaker
Footballguy
I think GB better rethink their bump and run coverage with the safeties back to help...thats only asking for a slow first half death followed by a quick second half death.
Dallas needs to prepare for the patented quick slant and Roy Williams needs to prepare for a lot of isolation on Donald Lee.
Dallas needs to prepare for the patented quick slant and Roy Williams needs to prepare for a lot of isolation on Donald Lee.
for the Packers all day.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Not if they're without Charles Woodson and KGB.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
This game should be a big-time shootout.
Dallas is going to have a difficult time matching up with GB in those 4-WR formations.
On the other hand, GB had better hope Charles Woodson is able to play; otherwise, Romo and T.O. are going to run roughshod over the GB secondary.
Dallas is going to have a difficult time matching up with GB in those 4-WR formations.
On the other hand, GB had better hope Charles Woodson is able to play; otherwise, Romo and T.O. are going to run roughshod over the GB secondary.
hauser42
Footballguy
Way to early to tell what is up with the injuries. Should be a good game, my issue is that Brett has never played well in Dallas his whole career.
the spanker
Footballguy
Favre never won in KC either. Throw that nonsense out of the window. Favre is a different player this year because of the playmakers at his disposal.
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I think the Packers have given the Cowboys enough film now to prepare for the empty backfield formations. Regardless, I don't see the Cowboys losing this game at home. They are more balanced both on offense and defense. I believe both starting CBs will be available for this game, so the Dallas secondary should be healthier than ever next week. Cowboys win 38-24.
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
GAME OF THE CENTURY
someone had to say it. I'm sure it'll get the same overhyping that Dal/NE and Ind/NE got.
someone had to say it. I'm sure it'll get the same overhyping that Dal/NE and Ind/NE got.
I'm thinking a shootout here. I like Dallas' front seven minus Ferguson's replacement but don't think their secondary is up to coverring the 4 WRs. I don't think the Pack can cover Owens and Moss. Both (if Pickett's hurt) can be run on up the middle. Each team gets good pressure but they're facing a QB with a nice release that handles pressure well. I think each team is exceptional in the return game but nto so much coverring kicks. I'm thinking shootout here
Tyrion
Footballguy
This should be a great game but Dallas is going to take it.
Dallas is going to win the battle of the lines on both sides of the ball. AJ Hawk is going to look alot less effective with the man mountain, Leonard Davis, laying on top of him.
Nick Folk is going to win the battle of the rookie kickers.
TO and Witten are going to show Green Bay's secondary what it is like to play against real receiving weapons and Marion the Barbarian will finish them off in the late 3rd quarter.
Dallas is going to win the battle of the lines on both sides of the ball. AJ Hawk is going to look alot less effective with the man mountain, Leonard Davis, laying on top of him.
Nick Folk is going to win the battle of the rookie kickers.
TO and Witten are going to show Green Bay's secondary what it is like to play against real receiving weapons and Marion the Barbarian will finish them off in the late 3rd quarter.
Papa Schnay
Footballguy
Long story short, it's not going to matter too much.
They are clearly #1 and #2 in the NFC, and most likely will meet again in the playoffs for a rematch.
They are clearly #1 and #2 in the NFC, and most likely will meet again in the playoffs for a rematch.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
And the Cowboys may have to rethink that strategy of dialing up blitzes after Favre starts torching them when they do blitz.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I am sure that both teams would like to have that game at home
DocNiner52
Footballguy
I'm hoping for a shootout. I have Romo, TO,Witten,Jennings and Folk. I like the Cowboys chances of winning being at home. If it was on the frozen Tundra of Lambeau field I'd give the edge to Green Bay. Regardless it will be a premier game definitely worth watching. As T.O. says,"Get yer popcorn ready"
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
um... the Packers have Al Harris and Charles Woodson... both very good shutdown corners... In fact, I'd be hardpressed to say which is actually better... Although I'd guess Al Harris since Harris has been covering the other team's #1 reciever while Woodson switches between covering the #2 and the slot guy...So your argument is, well, stupid... but I'm assuming you don't actually watch the Packer games, so how would you know Charles Woodson has been covering the slot reciever a lot while Al Harris has been consistently on the #1 reciever of the other team all season long???
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
ok, so they have 2 CBs... that would be good for 2 of our WRs... so Driver & Jennings are covered...who covers Jones, Robinson, Martin, Lee, & Grant???
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
the Packers best play is the quick slant... to any of our 5 WRs...if the Cowboys blitz six, Favre is going to throw quick passes and smoke the Cowboys badly... they won't ever even have time to get past the line of scrimmage and Favre will already have thrown the ball...
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
My first impression is that Witten will have a big game as the Packers have been gashed by TE's in several games this year (Giants, Skins, Bears, Chargers). However, I think the rookie Aaron Rouse has really come on the past few weeks when forced into the spotlight by Collins' injury. Rouse is big and strong (6'4") but his coverage skills were a question mark at VT. Plus, he did not finish the game yesterday and is a question mark for Thursday. The DL is already thin with Jolly and Collin Cole definitely out and question marks with KBG and Pickett. The secondary would be severely diminished if Rouse and Woodson are out or limited as Nick Collins and Will Blackmon are definitely out and the roster isn't very deep in that area - Jarret Bush is a huge step down from Woodson at the corner.
Nemesis
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Jones upset "millions" won't get to see Cowboys-Packers NFC showdown on cable
2007-11-22 23:03IRVING, Texas (AP) - Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is still urging NFL fans to pull the plug on cable, especially those who want to see next week's NFC showdown of 10-1 teams on NFL Network. The Cowboys and Green Bay Packers both won Thanksgiving Day, a week before they play for the outright NFC lead. The NFL Network has been in a dispute with large cable providers who don't carry the network on a basic tier. The network is available in about 35 million of the nation's more than 111 million homes with televisions.
``I am frustrated that we've got literally several million fans that won't get to see that game because Time Warner won't be carrying it,'' Jones said in the locker room after the Cowboys' 34-3 victory over the New York Jets. ``I'm hot about that. I hope those fans will go to AT&T satellite or go over to a competing cable company.''
Time Warner is the primary cable provider in the Dallas area. Jones is the outspoken chairman of the league's NFL Network committee. His comments came just three days after Comcast, the nation's largest cable company, sent a cease-and-desist letter to the NFL Network demanding the channel's representatives stop encouraging fans to leave the cable provider.
``I know I have been given a cease and desist to quit saying that, but that is a fact,'' Jones said. ``It's frustrating to think millions of Cowboys and Packers fans won't be able to see it.'' Fans in each local market will be able to see the game. NFL rules require that games televised on cable must be made available to an over-the-air provider in the home market cities.
2007-11-22 23:03IRVING, Texas (AP) - Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is still urging NFL fans to pull the plug on cable, especially those who want to see next week's NFC showdown of 10-1 teams on NFL Network. The Cowboys and Green Bay Packers both won Thanksgiving Day, a week before they play for the outright NFC lead. The NFL Network has been in a dispute with large cable providers who don't carry the network on a basic tier. The network is available in about 35 million of the nation's more than 111 million homes with televisions.
``I am frustrated that we've got literally several million fans that won't get to see that game because Time Warner won't be carrying it,'' Jones said in the locker room after the Cowboys' 34-3 victory over the New York Jets. ``I'm hot about that. I hope those fans will go to AT&T satellite or go over to a competing cable company.''
Time Warner is the primary cable provider in the Dallas area. Jones is the outspoken chairman of the league's NFL Network committee. His comments came just three days after Comcast, the nation's largest cable company, sent a cease-and-desist letter to the NFL Network demanding the channel's representatives stop encouraging fans to leave the cable provider.
``I know I have been given a cease and desist to quit saying that, but that is a fact,'' Jones said. ``It's frustrating to think millions of Cowboys and Packers fans won't be able to see it.'' Fans in each local market will be able to see the game. NFL rules require that games televised on cable must be made available to an over-the-air provider in the home market cities.
Tyrion
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With Ellis, Canty, Ware, and Ratliff, Dallas can get pressure with 4 just as easily as they can with 6. Spears, Spencer and Tank are not too shabby at bringing the pressure as well so I expect that Favre will burn Dallas for a few plays but it won't be consistant enough to deliver the big drives needed to keep Dallas's offense off of the field. I wonder how well a older Favre handles the punishment he is going to receive? The Packers may try to run and Ryan Grant has looked good but he won't be able to run on the Cowboys. Dallas has not surrendered a 100 yards to a runner all year. Dallas on the other hand has TO who is going to require double teams and really those only work for so long before he splits the coverage. TO eats top corners for breakfast. But lets say the Pakers go all out and can stop TO with help from the safety, then who is going to stop Witten going down the middle? At some point the safety has to decide who he is going to cover. At that point the open receiver is going to get the ball because Romo and his offensive line are going to make the play last alot longer than the DBs can cover. And if you manage to play perfect and stop those two? Julius, Barber, Crayton, Hurd, and Austin will tear you up underneath and on the sidelines. If nobody is open then Romo takes off and runs for the 1st. Its going to be a long day for Packers.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Worst thing they could do is piss Favre off early in the game. That is when he's truly at his best.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
This is homerism at it's best. I don't think you realize how good the Packers have been. Blitz Favre, good luck with that. Get pressure with just 4? Nobody has done it yet. Romo is going to beat them...sure occasionally, but Kampman is going to be on his jock all day.
Tyrion
Footballguy
I have watched their games, so I think that I have some idea. You know the guy that Kampman is going to have to beat is an ex bear right? Any team that can lose to the Bears this season might have a problem beating the Cowboys.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Let's see. Driver has a foot injury, the severity of which is undetermined. Bubba Franks remains out. Tauscher got an ankle yesterday and Clifton has been dinged all season. Jon Jolly, Harrell, and now Cole are out along the d-line rotation and Corey Williams is dinged. Nick Collins, and Blackmon are out. Aaron Rouse got an ankle yesterday. Oh, almost forgot KGB, also injuried. As a Packer fan I'll be pleased if they can just get out with no more injuries.
A healthy Packer team matches up well against the Cowboys. An injured team, traveling weeks in a row, I don't know.
A healthy Packer team matches up well against the Cowboys. An injured team, traveling weeks in a row, I don't know.
Packers ran all over the Vikings who run defense is light years better than the Cowboys...
MCguidance
Footballguy
Which 75% of the country won't be. Stinks. I will have to watch the game on my comp.That being said, I feel that this game should be high in scoring, but wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. Both have solid defensive units, and might be able to slow down the O's. I feel that if Woodson and KGB are healthy, the Pack has a good shot. Without them, their D takes a legitimate hit.
nibbomydaets
Footballguy
Wow. Insecure about your team Larry? Not very Christian of you.
He said the Pack needs BOTH to play. He was stating that if Woodson couldn't go, it would spell trouble for the Packers D. Hardly far from the truth.I would have never thought this two years ago, but Al Harris is a elite CB, and IMHO two steps above Woodson. Woodson hasn't looked good in years. Playing for the Raiders will do that to you, but he just isn't the same player he was comming into the league.Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Woodson has had a rejuvenation with the Packers. He is playing much better than he was for the Raiders. The improvement upon leaving the Raiders is not as stark as the one for Moss, but very noticeable nonetheless. That said he is #2 to Harris. I'm hoping for good news on Woodson, Blackmon, and either Rouse and Collins. If the Packers can get a few cogs back they have a good shot. Absent that, not so much.Wow. Insecure about your team Larry? Not very Christian of you.He said the Pack needs BOTH to play. He was stating that if Woodson couldn't go, it would spell trouble for the Packers D. Hardly far from the truth.I would have never thought this two years ago, but Al Harris is a elite CB, and IMHO two steps above Woodson. Woodson hasn't looked good in years. Playing for the Raiders will do that to you, but he just isn't the same player he was comming into the league.
nflandboobs
Footballguy
I think the Packers have the edge here due to the Cowboy secondary. Outside of Newman, they're not too impressive. They seem to have trouble with 3 WRs at times, so using 4 or 5 could give them fits all day. I think the Cowboys will score their points, I just don't see them scoring enough to go to 11-1.
Tyrion
Footballguy
Nice changing of my post. Change this one. That "crapass Buffalo Bills" team is 5-5 and its defense was playing out of its mind that night while Romo had his worst game of his career so yeah I am am happy that given all of the mistakes we made that we still managed to pull out the win. Given that the teams that have beaten Buffalo are Dallas, NE, Denver and the Steelers I wouldn't call them crapass. What happened during your Chicago game? Why didn't you pull out the win? I like the spirit of the Packer fans. I hope to see you guys in the game thread this Thursday and I hope you guys don't suffer any mysterious internet connection failures before the end of the game.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I think the Packers are the better team, but they are a bit banged up right now, and Dallas is playing at home, so I think the Cowboys will win.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
ummm.... no...See... Harris is the kind of CB that can cover even TO, by and large, without safety help... Champ Bailey, him, Woodson, and a few others are that kind of player...the issue here is your #2 (Terry Glenn) and #3 (Patrick Crayton) are out (last I heard)...also... notice how the Packers run lots of shotgun, and they throw quick passes. No matter how good your d-line is, our o-line, most of the time, doesn't even ahve to block them and they STILL won't hit Favre on most of the Packer's passing plays (go watch some game footage of Packer games, Favre throws faster than anyone has time to get to him... He odesn't get hit a lot because the ball is gone too fast, it almost has nothing to do with our line)...Now... is Dallas going to score points? Probably... but to assume it is going to be as easy as you are portraying is, well, delusional...and to think anyone is getting anywhere near Favre consistently when no one has even been able to remotely begin to stop our WRs from stepping one step inside of the DB and catching the ball is absurd... Dallas' CBs are not that much better than every other team the Packers have played's secondarys.... and they aren't deep enough (no one is) to cover all of the Packers WRs... that's why they go 5-wide so much... because when the Packers run 5-wide, there simply aren't enough players on the field to cover everyone....oh yeah, one last thing... You realize that Favre plays better when you hit him consistently, right? The best thing youc an do with Favre is rush enough guys that he has to throw the ball, but never actually touch him and just lay back and pray that he makes dumb throws because he's barely into the game... but with the team at 10-1 and him enjoying himself as much as he is right now, there isn't a chance of that happening...You are about to get torched by the best QB in the history of the NFL... and you can't posibly cover the WRs he has lining up for him... and if you hit him, he'll torch you worse... good luck, though... because its gonna be a real fun shootout }=o)
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
no, not insecure... its just absurd that he claims an injury to our #2 CB is going to effect the game that the other teams #1 WR is going to ahve...TO was never, and will never, be covered by Charles Woodson no matter how healthy or injured he is...so Woodson's injury is irrelevant to TO's game...and I think its funny he thinks Dallas 4th WR and on are scary, but didn't mention how GB's 4 top WRs + Lee at TE and Martin at WR, too are going to torch the Cowboys' secondary... w'ere suppose to worry about Dallas 5th & 6th WRs, but he isn't even worried about our #3 or #4 (who was a 1st round draft pick and has been to the pro bowl?)Also... Charles Woodson is playing the best football he has EVER played in the NFL right now in Green Bay... He is having a better year than he ever had in Oakland, and its not even close....Wow. Insecure about your team Larry? Not very Christian of you.He said the Pack needs BOTH to play. He was stating that if Woodson couldn't go, it would spell trouble for the Packers D. Hardly far from the truth.I would have never thought this two years ago, but Al Harris is a elite CB, and IMHO two steps above Woodson. Woodson hasn't looked good in years. Playing for the Raiders will do that to you, but he just isn't the same player he was comming into the league.
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
you really want to know what happened in the Bears game??Simple...we stopped trying on offense and played prevent kickoff from teh opening kick of the second half until the end of the game, even though we were only up by 2 scores...we got way too conservative (at a time when we had absolutely no running game) way too early and it got us beaten by a team that had no business beating us...Nice changing of my post. Change this one. That "crapass Buffalo Bills" team is 5-5 and its defense was playing out of its mind that night while Romo had his worst game of his career so yeah I am am happy that given all of the mistakes we made that we still managed to pull out the win. Given that the teams that have beaten Buffalo are Dallas, NE, Denver and the Steelers I wouldn't call them crapass. What happened during your Chicago game? Why didn't you pull out the win? I like the spirit of the Packer fans. I hope to see you guys in the game thread this Thursday and I hope you guys don't suffer any mysterious internet connection failures before the end of the game.
nflandboobs
Footballguy
Well in all fairness, Dallas has been banged up all year as well. They haven't had their best two corners start a game together all year due to injuries. They lost their NT in the first game of the season (as you know, that's kind of a big deal considering the philosophy of the 3-4), their second best WR has been out all year, their third best WR is dinged up (didn't play on Thanksgiving), the RG played the last 2 games despite being dinged up, and their FBs have been dinged up most of the year (one is out). So anyway, the point being that Dallas won't exactly be playing the Packers at 100%.
Dt's Mules
Footballguy
cowboys by 10
green bay, while the 2nd best team in the nfc, has little chance against the cowboys at home...
also, look for keith davis to replace roy williams on goal line sets to help negate the gb te's
green bay, while the 2nd best team in the nfc, has little chance against the cowboys at home...
also, look for keith davis to replace roy williams on goal line sets to help negate the gb te's
bcr8f
Footballguy
CB Charles Woodson (toe) was in the locker room. Here's what Woodson had to say after the game: "It’s not broken, but it hurts,” he said. "It’s my big toe on my right foot. I did the same thing on my other foot once in Oakland.” Woodson said it was too early to tell whether he could play against Dallas;DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (right ankle) was not in the locker room. UPDATE: Turns out KGB was in the locker room for a bit. Here's what he said, courtesy of colleague Ricky Braun: "I think everything’s going to be OK. It’s nothing serious. It should be OK with just a little rehab and ice and a lot of prayer. (Is it a sprain or what?) We don’t really know what it is, but whatever it is it’s nothing that the good Lord can’t take care of. I don’t know what it is. I wish I could tell you." (What happened on the play?) I was going after the quarterback and I think somebody hit me from behind and I felt my ankle, my knee. But it’s something that I feel like it’ll go away. It was just really sore to try to go back out there."
snowmonkey501
Footballguy
I think the cowboys suck.
If I was a Cowboys fan I would be terrified of Lee. Roy Williams is most likely going to be covering him a good part of the day........no, not insecure... its just absurd that he claims an injury to our #2 CB is going to effect the game that the other teams #1 WR is going to ahve...TO was never, and will never, be covered by Charles Woodson no matter how healthy or injured he is...Wow. Insecure about your team Larry? Not very Christian of you.He said the Pack needs BOTH to play. He was stating that if Woodson couldn't go, it would spell trouble for the Packers D. Hardly far from the truth.
I would have never thought this two years ago, but Al Harris is a elite CB, and IMHO two steps above Woodson. Woodson hasn't looked good in years. Playing for the Raiders will do that to you, but he just isn't the same player he was comming into the league.
so Woodson's injury is irrelevant to TO's game...
and I think its funny he thinks Dallas 4th WR and on are scary, but didn't mention how GB's 4 top WRs + Lee at TE and Martin at WR, too are going to torch the Cowboys' secondary... w'ere suppose to worry about Dallas 5th & 6th WRs, but he isn't even worried about our #3 or #4 (who was a 1st round draft pick and has been to the pro bowl?)
Also... Charles Woodson is playing the best football he has EVER played in the NFL right now in Green Bay... He is having a better year than he ever had in Oakland, and its not even close....
Dt's Mules
Footballguy
maybe not, keith davis started yesterday and was in for roy in goal line packagesIf I was a Cowboys fan I would be terrified of Lee. Roy Williams is most likely going to be covering him a good part of the day........no, not insecure... its just absurd that he claims an injury to our #2 CB is going to effect the game that the other teams #1 WR is going to ahve...TO was never, and will never, be covered by Charles Woodson no matter how healthy or injured he is...Wow. Insecure about your team Larry? Not very Christian of you.
I would have never thought this two years ago, but Al Harris is a elite CB, and IMHO two steps above Woodson. Woodson hasn't looked good in years. Playing for the Raiders will do that to you, but he just isn't the same player he was comming into the league.
so Woodson's injury is irrelevant to TO's game...
and I think its funny he thinks Dallas 4th WR and on are scary, but didn't mention how GB's 4 top WRs + Lee at TE and Martin at WR, too are going to torch the Cowboys' secondary... w'ere suppose to worry about Dallas 5th & 6th WRs, but he isn't even worried about our #3 or #4 (who was a 1st round draft pick and has been to the pro bowl?)
Also... Charles Woodson is playing the best football he has EVER played in the NFL right now in Green Bay... He is having a better year than he ever had in Oakland, and its not even close....
