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Packers cut AJ Hawk (1 Viewer)
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
That is unless he is offered more from another team.
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Choke
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I dont think he will resign to be a back up.
I dont think the Packers will pay him a lot as a back up... certainly not as much as another team will to be a potential starter.
Barnett and Bishop are the Packers ILBs.
Could Hawk play ROLB? I would think he could, but he hasnt played there at all.
I dont think the Packers will pay him a lot as a back up... certainly not as much as another team will to be a potential starter.
Barnett and Bishop are the Packers ILBs.
Could Hawk play ROLB? I would think he could, but he hasnt played there at all.
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Tony Jabroni
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I personally think they should keep Hawk and get rid of Barnett. He played very well this year and Barnett is injury prone.
lynx4ben
Footballguy
I think Barnett is the better player but he is injury prone. He also is a bit of a pain in the butt and isn't very popular in Green Bay. Thus, I agree we might be better off trying to lock up AJ long term. I think locking up Barnett would actually be more costly. Either way it would be nice to get one of the two on a cheap long term deal. Although the reports are optimistic in regards to retaining Hawk, I just don't see that happening. Most likely AJ goes elsewhere as someone will pay him more and we keep Barnett for his remaining 1 year . I can see GB drafting a lot of LBs this year.
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Mr.Pack
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Hawk was a decent player. Nothing more and nothing less. I hope they resign him. He was the best pure tackler on the defense once he got his hands on a guy.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Since when has Thompson ever drafted for need? He goes BPA and does so brilliantly. If the right guys are there in the right spots and they happen to be linebacker, he'll pick them.
lynx4ben
Footballguy
BPA vs Need is such a farce that's it's not even worth debating. Every GM will tell you that the guy they drafted was the BPA at the time. What I saw over the last two years is Thompson drafting personnel to fit the 3-4 defense.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
I think Thompson's drafting philosophy has changed as the team has. Early on he drafted BPA to build depth and build the team. Now that he has the team in place he has adjusted and drafted for need.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Not sure about that. Of course he drafted player that fit his system. However he did not reach for players because they were a position of need. He may well draft linebackers but he's not going to go crazy unless those guys are the BPA. Heck they still have what 11 linebackers on the roster. Battle tested guys.
The Kerminator
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Talks with Hawk continue
Packers cut Hawk, but talks on new deal continuing
By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel
March 2, 2011 4:33 p.m. |(51) Comments
Linebacker A.J. Hawk was released Wednesday, a day before his $10 million guaranteed salary was due to hit the Green Bay Packers' books.
The Packers had been negotiating with Hawk for the past week or so, but the two sides couldn't reach a contract and so to prevent from having to pay him $10 million guaranteed this season, they released him.
According to a source familiar with the move, the two sides will continue talking up to the deadline for free agency Thursday night and that the release was strictly procedural. There will be no free agency if the owners and players don't reach an agreement on a collective bargaining agreement and the Packers won't be in danger of losing Hawk.
If there is no CBA by Thursday at 11 p.m., Hawk can't shop himself around the league. He wouldn't be able to do anything - including signing with the Packers - until there is a CBA.
The Packers announced the release with this statement from GM Ted Thompson: .“With A.J., the business side of the game is driving this decision. We’re hopeful that we can continue to work with A.J. to have him be a part of our team in the future.”
UPDATE: The Packers also announced they have released TE Donald Lee and S Derrick Martin. Neither of those moves was salary related and both won't be back next year.
Thompson's comments on Lee and Martin made that clear.
“We want to thank Donald for all of his contributions to the Packers and for being a good teammate throughout his career in Green Bay,” Thompson said. “He has been a professional and we wish him well in the future.
“We appreciate Derrick’s work and contributions over the past two seasons. He has been a good player on our team and we appreciate his passion and energy."
In cutting the three, the Packers shaved off $13.335 million from their payroll and $10.785 million from their 2011 salary cap (if there is one).
The Hawk release is not completely surprising and it definitely doesn't preclude Hawk from returning to the Packers. Hawk is free to negotiate with any team in the league through 11 p.m. Thursday and it's unlikely he'll be able to ink a deal with another team before the scheduled start of free agency.
The Packers have had talks with Hawk's agents and they may have made enough progress that they felt it was OK to release him now and then talk through Thursday night when either free agency or the lockout starts.
If it's a lockout, the Packers can resume talks whenever the CBA is signed. The Packers have showed a strong interest in re-signing Hawk, but they did not want to stuck with a $10 million salary on their books, which would have been the case if they didn't release him.
The contract negotiations between the players and the owners will determine whether Hawk and the Packers can continue talking past Thursday night. Once the CBA expires, all business is off in the NFL and the Packers won't face the danger of losing Hawk.
The Packers have gone past the deadline with other free agents and still retained them.
Packers cut Hawk, but talks on new deal continuing
By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel
March 2, 2011 4:33 p.m. |(51) Comments
Linebacker A.J. Hawk was released Wednesday, a day before his $10 million guaranteed salary was due to hit the Green Bay Packers' books.
The Packers had been negotiating with Hawk for the past week or so, but the two sides couldn't reach a contract and so to prevent from having to pay him $10 million guaranteed this season, they released him.
According to a source familiar with the move, the two sides will continue talking up to the deadline for free agency Thursday night and that the release was strictly procedural. There will be no free agency if the owners and players don't reach an agreement on a collective bargaining agreement and the Packers won't be in danger of losing Hawk.
If there is no CBA by Thursday at 11 p.m., Hawk can't shop himself around the league. He wouldn't be able to do anything - including signing with the Packers - until there is a CBA.
The Packers announced the release with this statement from GM Ted Thompson: .“With A.J., the business side of the game is driving this decision. We’re hopeful that we can continue to work with A.J. to have him be a part of our team in the future.”
UPDATE: The Packers also announced they have released TE Donald Lee and S Derrick Martin. Neither of those moves was salary related and both won't be back next year.
Thompson's comments on Lee and Martin made that clear.
“We want to thank Donald for all of his contributions to the Packers and for being a good teammate throughout his career in Green Bay,” Thompson said. “He has been a professional and we wish him well in the future.
“We appreciate Derrick’s work and contributions over the past two seasons. He has been a good player on our team and we appreciate his passion and energy."
In cutting the three, the Packers shaved off $13.335 million from their payroll and $10.785 million from their 2011 salary cap (if there is one).
The Hawk release is not completely surprising and it definitely doesn't preclude Hawk from returning to the Packers. Hawk is free to negotiate with any team in the league through 11 p.m. Thursday and it's unlikely he'll be able to ink a deal with another team before the scheduled start of free agency.
The Packers have had talks with Hawk's agents and they may have made enough progress that they felt it was OK to release him now and then talk through Thursday night when either free agency or the lockout starts.
If it's a lockout, the Packers can resume talks whenever the CBA is signed. The Packers have showed a strong interest in re-signing Hawk, but they did not want to stuck with a $10 million salary on their books, which would have been the case if they didn't release him.
The contract negotiations between the players and the owners will determine whether Hawk and the Packers can continue talking past Thursday night. Once the CBA expires, all business is off in the NFL and the Packers won't face the danger of losing Hawk.
The Packers have gone past the deadline with other free agents and still retained them.
Choke
Footballguy
I cant tell you how much I hate people who get mad at players for doing the same type of stuff by deciding to hold out for a better business side outcome.It works both ways. Its perfectly acceptable, both ways.
Choke
Footballguy
There are plenty of teams that could. Broncos moving back to the 4-3. Lions for sure. The Rams.
saintfool
Dead sexy
saints do too. i would love to see him alongside vilma, especially since he could offer insight from a a very good opposing NFC team.
zadok
Footballguy
Eagles too. Go get him Banner!
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
As a Packer fan, I thought you'd be better than that. Hawk will be resigned, and he will be the starter alongside Bishop. Barnett will be looking for work once they resign Hawk. Barnett has played in 29 of the last 48 games. Last I checked, being available on Sunday is huge in the NFL.
A.J. Hawk back with Pack
March 2, 2011 10:11 p.m. | Just as quick as he was cut, A.J. Hawk is back, with the Pack. Two sources have told TMJ4's Lance Allan that the linebacker is scheduled to fly back to Green Bay on Thursday, and sign a new 5-year deal.
According to JS Online
March 2, 2011 10:11 p.m. | Just as quick as he was cut, A.J. Hawk is back, with the Pack. Two sources have told TMJ4's Lance Allan that the linebacker is scheduled to fly back to Green Bay on Thursday, and sign a new 5-year deal.
According to JS Online
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Hawk has started almost every game in his pro career since the day he was drafted, has led the Packers in tackles or finished second every season in his career, and was the defensive co-captain and a pro-bowl alternate this season. I'm not saying he'll definitely be back with the Packers, but he's not a backup.
Choke
Footballguy
Im not a packer fan.But as far as Hawk, you could certainly be correct if he is indeed going to be kept as a starter.I hadnt given that any real credence as he had just been cut.
BUT, considering the CBA quirks that are currently in place, this situation could prove much different then in other years.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
'Kitrick Taylor said:
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
'tommy300 said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Hawk is a decent player. Nothing more and nothing less. I'm glad they resigned him. He is the best pure tackler on the defense once he gets his hands on a guy.
I think Hawk is a very good player. The issue is he (as are many players) will only ever be seen in the context of when he was drafted. Where he was drafted, many Packer fans expected him to be great and make the impact that Mathews had.
But his tackling is important to the defense Capers runs and I really didn't see them letting him walk.
But his tackling is important to the defense Capers runs and I really didn't see them letting him walk.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
'Choke said:
If Hawk broke the single season sack record this year while winning MVP honors at the Super Bowl, he would want to tear up his contact as well.Not really right/wrong but rather the way the business model allows this type of practice to be conducted.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree that it is perfectly acceptable for a player to hold out.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agreed. He has done well in the 3-4...stepped up big time after being taken off of the nickel packages to start the year...and stepped up even more when Barnett went down.The defense all talked about how calm Hawk is in getting the defensive calls in and getting everyone on D set. The coaches love him, his teammates love him...it was a very good move to lock him up for 5 more years.With this, plus the statements that Bishop is the starter...I see Barnett looking for another team soon.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Blame the CBA. The players collectively bargain their way to the system that can put them on the street.If they hold out, they are basically breaching their contract. If the NFL cuts them, they are acting within the rules of the contracts as they have been bargained.So yes, I do take fault at players holding out.'Choke said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'd prefer Hawk over Barnett. Nick is a bit of a showoff. He's a bit of a malcontent. He's just a little too mouthy for a player of his production level. He is decent, but I think Bishop is simply better. He's a much better hitter and tacklet than Barnett, probably a tad weaker in coverage.
football fan
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e95dd5/article/resigned-lb-hawk-says-he-eyed-return-to-packers-all-along?module=HP_headlines
Re-signed LB Hawk says he eyed return to Packers all along
A.J. Hawk wasn't worried when the Green Bay Packers released him Wednesday. In fact, he expected it.
"That was part of the plan, and they gave me the heads up before they went public with it," the veteran linebacker told the Green Bay Press-Gazette on Thursday after the Super Bowl champions re-signed him to a five-year contract. "I had no problem with it because I knew we were getting close to getting something done. The plan all along was to stay here."
Hawk's agent, Mike McCartney, confirmed the deal to NFL.com's Steve Wyche on Thursday morning. The Packers announced the contract Thursday night, but didn't disclose financial terms.
"We are pleased to have reached an agreement with A.J.," Packers general manager Ted Thompson said in a statement released by the team. "We appreciate his work and dedication and look forward to his contributions to our team in the future."
Hawk, the No. 5 overall pick in the 2006 NFL draft, was scheduled to make $10.5 million in 2011, and the Packers hoped to bring him back at a reduced salary. Thompson said Wednesday that the business side of the game drove the decision to release Hawk, and he was hopeful the linebacker would return.
Multiple media outlets reported that a new deal was imminent after Hawk's release.
Hawk's contract came on a day the collective bargaining agreement between league owners and the NFL Players Association was set to expire, although the two sides later agreed to a 24-hour extension.
"Believe me, I was really happy that we got this done right now," Hawk told the Press-Gazette. "It's great to finally figure it all out and not have to wonder."
Despite his lofty draft status, Hawk began the 2010 season as a role player. But after season-ending injuries to inside linebackers Nick Barnett and Brandon Chillar, Hawk once again became a starter and played a critical role in the Packers' push to a Super Bowl victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers. He was chosen as one of the team's captains throughout the playoffs.
The Packers now have a potential logjam at inside linebacker. Desmond Bishop received a new deal during his breakout 2010 season, and Chillar and Barnett remain under contract.
Hawk was one of three players the Super Bowl champions let go Wednesday, along with tight end Donald Lee and safety Derrick Martin. Lee was set to earn $2.2 million in 2011, and Martin was slated to make $750,000.
Hawk hasn't missed a regular-season game, making 77 starts in his 80 regular-season games.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Re-signed LB Hawk says he eyed return to Packers all along
A.J. Hawk wasn't worried when the Green Bay Packers released him Wednesday. In fact, he expected it.
"That was part of the plan, and they gave me the heads up before they went public with it," the veteran linebacker told the Green Bay Press-Gazette on Thursday after the Super Bowl champions re-signed him to a five-year contract. "I had no problem with it because I knew we were getting close to getting something done. The plan all along was to stay here."
Hawk's agent, Mike McCartney, confirmed the deal to NFL.com's Steve Wyche on Thursday morning. The Packers announced the contract Thursday night, but didn't disclose financial terms.
"We are pleased to have reached an agreement with A.J.," Packers general manager Ted Thompson said in a statement released by the team. "We appreciate his work and dedication and look forward to his contributions to our team in the future."
Hawk, the No. 5 overall pick in the 2006 NFL draft, was scheduled to make $10.5 million in 2011, and the Packers hoped to bring him back at a reduced salary. Thompson said Wednesday that the business side of the game drove the decision to release Hawk, and he was hopeful the linebacker would return.
Multiple media outlets reported that a new deal was imminent after Hawk's release.
Hawk's contract came on a day the collective bargaining agreement between league owners and the NFL Players Association was set to expire, although the two sides later agreed to a 24-hour extension.
"Believe me, I was really happy that we got this done right now," Hawk told the Press-Gazette. "It's great to finally figure it all out and not have to wonder."
Despite his lofty draft status, Hawk began the 2010 season as a role player. But after season-ending injuries to inside linebackers Nick Barnett and Brandon Chillar, Hawk once again became a starter and played a critical role in the Packers' push to a Super Bowl victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers. He was chosen as one of the team's captains throughout the playoffs.
The Packers now have a potential logjam at inside linebacker. Desmond Bishop received a new deal during his breakout 2010 season, and Chillar and Barnett remain under contract.
Hawk was one of three players the Super Bowl champions let go Wednesday, along with tight end Donald Lee and safety Derrick Martin. Lee was set to earn $2.2 million in 2011, and Martin was slated to make $750,000.
Hawk hasn't missed a regular-season game, making 77 starts in his 80 regular-season games.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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