Palmer to Oakland? (1 Viewer)

[Deamon]

May not be much to this, especially since it is from yahoo, but rotoworld reported this.

Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole reports that the Raiders began "trying hard" as of Sunday night to trade for Carson Palmer.

A source tells Cole that he "highly doubts" owner Mike Brown will budge, but Hue Jackson hasn't given up just yet. Jackson was the Bengals' wide receivers coach from 2004-2006, during some of Palmer's best years. Citing a source familiar with the Raiders' thinking, Cole reports that Oakland "hit the phones quickly" after Sunday's win over the Browns. One major stumbling block is the fact that the Raiders don't have second-, third-, or fourth-round picks in 2012. Cole suggests the Raiders offer a third-rounder in 2013 that could increase to a second- or even first-rounder depending on Palmer's performance.

 

[Sea Duck]

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

That they don't have anything to offer for 2012 makes it that much more unlikely. Even if they did, Brown wouldn't do it to prove his point.

In any event, the Palmer talk will go away either way next week. (either forever or until the offseason)

 

[QuizGuy66]

I don't think Brown budges either. Not sure if Hue Jackson's prior ties to the Bengals makes this more or less likely to happen. It's interesting to think what would have happened if Al was still around - would they offer up the 2012 1st rounder? Fun to ponder, but sadly we'll never know.

-QG

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Brown is a terrible owner. He's petty. He's as bad as Al Davis ever was (probably worse) when it comes to doing things simply to spite a player. Add in the fact Oakland doesn't have any second or third round picks for next year and I find this highly unlikely to happen.

 

[knowledge dropper]

The Bengals could make it happen by sending a 3rd or 4th with Palmer for the 1st, but won't the Raiders have cap issues that would prevent acquiring Palmer?

 

[FallenHero32]

The Bengals could make it happen by sending a 3rd or 4th with Palmer for the 1st, but won't the Raiders have cap issues that would prevent acquiring Palmer?

Assuming I have it right, they dont have to pay his full salary because they are midway through the season. I'm sure Palmer would agree to new terms too.

 

[dharmapunk]

Why would the Raiders shell anything more than a 4th rounder (if they had one) for a washed up hasbeen with a gun-shy arm made of a wet noodle? Palmer is garbage. He doesn't 'just need a fresh start.' He's garbage.

They're better off signing a retread like Garrard and give Boller a one week audition while the retread learns the system. If Boller flourishes (ha!) then the retread is an insurance backup (which is better than watching Sundays on TV). If Boller stinks, you start the retread.

It's not like the Raiders ask their QB to do a lot. Hand off to McFadden 15 times a game. Throw a dump pass to McFadden 10 times a game. Hand off to Bush 5 times a game. And heave a pass up there for one of your speedy idiot WRs to hopefully catch maybe 4 times a game. Don't get picked off.

 

[Sabertooth]

How about sending Michael Bush seeings how we are wildly speculating here?

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Why would the Raiders shell anything more than a 4th rounder (if they had one) for a washed up hasbeen with a gun-shy arm made of a wet noodle? Palmer is garbage. He doesn't 'just need a fresh start.' He's garbage. They're better off signing a retread like Garrard and give Boller a one week audition while the retread learns the system. If Boller flourishes (ha!) then the retread is an insurance backup (which is better than watching Sundays on TV). If Boller stinks, you start the retread. It's not like the Raiders ask their QB to do a lot. Hand off to McFadden 15 times a game. Throw a dump pass to McFadden 10 times a game. Hand off to Bush 5 times a game. And heave a pass up there for one of your speedy idiot WRs to hopefully catch maybe 4 times a game. Don't get picked off.

So true....

 

[Kirby]

Palmer can throw the go route as good as anyone and the Raiders have plenty of speed. I'd like to see this.

 

[cheese]

I was always convinced they will just hang onto him. Now they're 4-2 and in direct competition with the Raiders for a possible wild card berth. Makes no sense to me.

The only reason I could see them even listening now would be Dalton's play. Realistically, Palmer's never starting over Dalton even if he came back. Not this year, not next year, not ever. I think in the back of everyone's head they were always thinking they may hope Carson returns next year to play QB.

Still, we all know how this is going to go.

 

[Chadstroma]

Brown is a terrible owner. He's petty. He's as bad as Al Davis ever was (probably worse) when it comes to doing things simply to spite a player. Add in the fact Oakland doesn't have any second or third round picks for next year and I find this highly unlikely to happen.

I think that they boxed themselves in. Because of their public stance with Palmer, they are now in a position of staying true to their word or absolutely destroy it. Sure, they are kind of shooting their feet in not getting any value back for Palmer but moving forward in dealings with players if they say "X, Y and Z" then that player has to believe that they will follow through and that it is not an empty threat because all that needs to be done is a whisper in their ear "remember Palmer".

 

[Colts Win]

How about sending Michael Bush seeings how we are wildly speculating here?

Seems like a great idea for both teams. So it won't happen.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I think Orton makes far more sense for Oakland, with Garrard a close 2nd. Palmer is not as good as either, would cost more to acquire and would have a higher salary. No-win situation with Palmer.

 

[todisco1]

Brown is a terrible owner. He's petty. He's as bad as Al Davis ever was (probably worse) when it comes to doing things simply to spite a player. Add in the fact Oakland doesn't have any second or third round picks for next year and I find this highly unlikely to happen.

I think that they boxed themselves in. Because of their public stance with Palmer, they are now in a position of staying true to their word or absolutely destroy it. Sure, they are kind of shooting their feet in not getting any value back for Palmer but moving forward in dealings with players if they say "X, Y and Z" then that player has to believe that they will follow through and that it is not an empty threat because all that needs to be done is a whisper in their ear "remember Palmer".

Didn't Palmer box himself in by saying "trade me or I retire?" Cincy seems fine without him, sitting at 4-2 with a promising rookie leading them. I like that Brown didn't cave to Palmer's demands (not that I'm saying he's a terrific owner or anything, but in this instance I'm okay with how he reacted).

 

[LawFitz]

Orton's wife just had a new baby and he has asked not to be traded. And do we really see the Broncos and Raiders making a deal?

Garrard and Palmer seem in play. Apparently, some contact has been made with Josh McCown and at minimum I see them signing Trent Edwards as a backup. Pryor is nowhere near ready, but if the team starts tail spinning at QB I'll think we'll see him start a game before the end of the year, just because of the Cam Newton angle.

One thing that's clear is the Raiders don't seem to have a lot of faith in Boller. Finally 4-2 again and now this. Ugh.

 

[spodog]

Cole suggests the Raiders offer a third-rounder in 2013 that could increase to a second- or even first-rounder depending on Palmer's performance.

This is just crazy enough to actually happen. The Raiders seem hell bent on mortgaging their future to collect a bunch of players for a run this year. It's foolish for sure, as the Raiders upside for this season is likely a 1st round playoff elimination. I could see them doing this, however, leaving their draft cupboard bare for years to come. Face it, it's the Raider way.

 

[massraider]

Cole suggests the Raiders offer a third-rounder in 2013 that could increase to a second- or even first-rounder depending on Palmer's performance.

This is just crazy enough to actually happen. The Raiders seem hell bent on mortgaging their future to collect a bunch of players for a run this year. It's foolish for sure, as the Raiders upside for this season is likely a 1st round playoff elimination. I could see them doing this, however, leaving their draft cupboard bare for years to come. Face it, it's the Raider way.

Can I get a quick history lesson here? I have only been following the Raiders for 30 years, so my history might be a little spotty.When have the Raiders left the draft cupboard bare for years? Never mind, don't answer, I actually do know that answer (never). Which players are we mortgaging our future for? If this team gets any younger, they won't be allowed to drink.

 

[Sweet Love]

Cole suggests the Raiders offer a third-rounder in 2013 that could increase to a second- or even first-rounder depending on Palmer's performance.

This is just crazy enough to actually happen. The Raiders seem hell bent on mortgaging their future to collect a bunch of players for a run this year. It's foolish for sure, as the Raiders upside for this season is likely a 1st round playoff elimination. I could see them doing this, however, leaving their draft cupboard bare for years to come. Face it, it's the Raider way.

I've come to the conclusion that in this day and age of the NFL (i.e. how things work wiuth the cap), that you have to take a stab at it every once in a while. While people will point to the excellence of a NE or Indy or GB (franchises who find and keep their own in many instances), the reality is only three guys have managed to do this...and low and behold, they seem to each have an All-World QB at the helm. There are only a few of those QBs to go around, so you have to take a shot...not saying they are doing it the right way necessarily, but I can't blame any team for throwing their hat in the ring in a given year...as a Jets fan, and AFC East fan, I can see Buffalo doing it and I would not blame them in the least.

 

[spodog]

Cole suggests the Raiders offer a third-rounder in 2013 that could increase to a second- or even first-rounder depending on Palmer's performance.

This is just crazy enough to actually happen. The Raiders seem hell bent on mortgaging their future to collect a bunch of players for a run this year. It's foolish for sure, as the Raiders upside for this season is likely a 1st round playoff elimination. I could see them doing this, however, leaving their draft cupboard bare for years to come. Face it, it's the Raider way.

Can I get a quick history lesson here? I have only been following the Raiders for 30 years, so my history might be a little spotty.When have the Raiders left the draft cupboard bare for years? Never mind, don't answer, I actually do know that answer (never). Which players are we mortgaging our future for? If this team gets any younger, they won't be allowed to drink.

I'm not saying the Raiders aren't young and I'm not saying they constantly leave their cupboard bare. I'm saying they consistently make these moonshot roster moves that no other NFL Franchise would do. For 2012, their picks look like:R2 - The Patriots own it. (Raiders got a 3rd and 4th this year I think)R3 - None. They have Terrelle Pryor instead.R4 - None. They have a broken Jason Campbell instead. R7 - None. They have Aaron Curry instead.The Curry thing is a caluclated gamble. It may prove to be a steal, but NFL scouts seem to think Curry has bust written all over him, so we'll have to wait and see. I get the idea that you sometimes have to shoot the moon, but from these moves it's pretty hard to tell what year the Raiders think they are shooting for. Presumably, it's this year, and these moves were constructed to try and get one more deep playoff run while Davis was still around. The Raiders are like the guy at the Craps table who sits there for hours constantly making bets on the Big 6 and the Big 8 and eveyone just looks at him. Sometimes (like with Curry), he may collect some jack, but in the end he's heading out of the casino without much in his pocket.

 

[massraider]

Cole suggests the Raiders offer a third-rounder in 2013 that could increase to a second- or even first-rounder depending on Palmer's performance.

This is just crazy enough to actually happen. The Raiders seem hell bent on mortgaging their future to collect a bunch of players for a run this year. It's foolish for sure, as the Raiders upside for this season is likely a 1st round playoff elimination. I could see them doing this, however, leaving their draft cupboard bare for years to come. Face it, it's the Raider way.

Can I get a quick history lesson here? I have only been following the Raiders for 30 years, so my history might be a little spotty.When have the Raiders left the draft cupboard bare for years? Never mind, don't answer, I actually do know that answer (never).

Which players are we mortgaging our future for? If this team gets any younger, they won't be allowed to drink.

I'm not saying the Raiders aren't young and I'm not saying they constantly leave their cupboard bare. I'm saying they consistently make these moonshot roster moves that no other NFL Franchise would do.

For 2012, their picks look like:

R2 - The Patriots own it. (Raiders got a 3rd and 4th this year I think)

R3 - None. They have Terrelle Pryor instead.

R4 - None. They have a broken Jason Campbell instead.

R7 - None. They have Aaron Curry instead.

The Curry thing is a caluclated gamble. It may prove to be a steal, but NFL scouts seem to think Curry has bust written all over him, so we'll have to wait and see.

I get the idea that you sometimes have to shoot the moon, but from these moves it's pretty hard to tell what year the Raiders think they are shooting for. Presumably, it's this year, and these moves were constructed to try and get one more deep playoff run while Davis was still around.

The Raiders are like the guy at the Craps table who sits there for hours constantly making bets on the Big 6 and the Big 8 and eveyone just looks at him.

Sometimes (like with Curry), he may collect some jack, but in the end he's heading out of the casino without much in his pocket.

Let's break them down, these one year moves:

R2 - The Patriots own it. (Raiders got a 3rd and 4th this year I think)--They did. They took a CB and an OT. Not a one year move. Two players last year for one the next. This kind of move happens all the time.



R3 - None. They have Terrelle Pryor instead.--A one year, moonshot move? You don't even believe that.

R4 - None. They have a broken Jason Campbell instead.-- Ah, he's broken. They should have known he was going to break his collarbone two years ago when they traded a 4th rounder for him, stupid Raiders. Does anyone have a problem with this move? Sucks he got hurt, but he has been well worth a 4th rounder.

R7 - None. They have Aaron Curry instead.--Calculated gamble. #4 pick in 2009. For a 7th and a 5th or 4th, how high are your expectations?

So, traded a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 7th, and got DeMarcus Van Dyke, Joseph Barksdale, Terrelle Pryor, Jason Campbell, and Aaron Curry.

I think people can reasonable question the Terrelle Pryor move. Aside from that, it's tough to see the wasting of draft picks for a shot THIS YEAR.

I hope we can add draft picks next year. How do two 3's or a 3rd and a 4th sound to you? Sound good to me. Maybe we can get them for Robert Gallery and Nnamdi Asomougha.

See, re-signing those two was a moonshot roster move we were told the Raiders were dumb for not making. Raiders offensive line? Managing to scrape along without Gallery, who apparently is injured in Seattle (shocking news to Raider fans, I can tell you). Defense? The same. Gets big plays, lets up big plays. Nnamdi has really put Philly over the top, hasn't he?

Regarding this line:

I get the idea that you sometimes have to shoot the moon, but from these moves it's pretty hard to tell what year the Raiders think they are shooting for. Presumably, it's this year, and these moves were constructed to try and get one more deep playoff run while Davis was still around.

This team is constructed young, we have all seen teams that are constructed for one big push. The Favre Vikings, etc. I don't see how they have mortgaged the future, we just got our 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 7th round picks early.

Next year we will have a 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th. At LEAST, if not two 3rd rounders. Sounds good to me.

 

[Fensalk]

Jeff George is begging to play.

 

[Chadstroma]

Cole suggests the Raiders offer a third-rounder in 2013 that could increase to a second- or even first-rounder depending on Palmer's performance.

This is just crazy enough to actually happen. The Raiders seem hell bent on mortgaging their future to collect a bunch of players for a run this year. It's foolish for sure, as the Raiders upside for this season is likely a 1st round playoff elimination. I could see them doing this, however, leaving their draft cupboard bare for years to come. Face it, it's the Raider way.

You are either on illicit drugs, need to be or are a Chef/Donkey/Dolt fan.

 

[Chadstroma]

Brown is a terrible owner. He's petty. He's as bad as Al Davis ever was (probably worse) when it comes to doing things simply to spite a player. Add in the fact Oakland doesn't have any second or third round picks for next year and I find this highly unlikely to happen.

I think that they boxed themselves in. Because of their public stance with Palmer, they are now in a position of staying true to their word or absolutely destroy it. Sure, they are kind of shooting their feet in not getting any value back for Palmer but moving forward in dealings with players if they say "X, Y and Z" then that player has to believe that they will follow through and that it is not an empty threat because all that needs to be done is a whisper in their ear "remember Palmer".

Didn't Palmer box himself in by saying "trade me or I retire?" Cincy seems fine without him, sitting at 4-2 with a promising rookie leading them. I like that Brown didn't cave to Palmer's demands (not that I'm saying he's a terrific owner or anything, but in this instance I'm okay with how he reacted).

Palmer seems happy to enjoy the surf in So Cal. Cincy may be 'fine' without him but there is value there that they are not getting out of. They could have got draft pick(s) in return to trading him. Palmer does not have to worry about that value- he has tons of cash to sit on and can enjoy the good laid back life. If he has a chance to play and make more money, sure, but why cry about the millions you have and not having to go find a new job?

 

[IHEARTFF]

Brown is a terrible owner. He's petty. He's as bad as Al Davis ever was (probably worse) when it comes to doing things simply to spite a player. Add in the fact Oakland doesn't have any second or third round picks for next year and I find this highly unlikely to happen.

I think that they boxed themselves in. Because of their public stance with Palmer, they are now in a position of staying true to their word or absolutely destroy it. Sure, they are kind of shooting their feet in not getting any value back for Palmer but moving forward in dealings with players if they say "X, Y and Z" then that player has to believe that they will follow through and that it is not an empty threat because all that needs to be done is a whisper in their ear "remember Palmer".

Didn't Palmer box himself in by saying "trade me or I retire?" Cincy seems fine without him, sitting at 4-2 with a promising rookie leading them. I like that Brown didn't cave to Palmer's demands (not that I'm saying he's a terrific owner or anything, but in this instance I'm okay with how he reacted).

Palmer seems happy to enjoy the surf in So Cal. Cincy may be 'fine' without him but there is value there that they are not getting out of. They could have got draft pick(s) in return to trading him. Palmer does not have to worry about that value- he has tons of cash to sit on and can enjoy the good laid back life. If he has a chance to play and make more money, sure, but why cry about the millions you have and not having to go find a new job?

Exactly. Why pass up the opportunity to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Mike Brown is an idiot.

 

[FavreCo]

Exactly. Why pass up the opportunity to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Mike Brown is an idiot.

He's looking out for the whole league. He doesn't want to rip someone off.Actually Palmer still probably has some skills. Question is, does he have any drive to even play again. No doubt some if not most of his issues were the result of the sucky route running by OchoZERO. Prettty much confirmed by his lack of playing time in NE.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Exactly. Why pass up the opportunity to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Mike Brown is an idiot.

Hmm, you seem quite knowledgeable about the actual offers that Cincinnati has been receiving. You know for a fact they've even gotten an offer this high?Practical question: What is the difference between a draft pick they can get for Palmer now vs a draft pick that they get if they trade him in, say, March. Oh that's right, there is no difference. If Oakland offers something crazy stupid perhaps they entertain it - if not there's no reason to make a deal as there should be more teams interested after the season is over. On top of that you make the principle stick.-QG

 

[B-Deep]

David Garrard has a herniated disk and is going to schedule back surgery this week, he told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen. The Oakland Raiders had reached out to the free-agent quarterback in the wake of Jason Campbell's broken collarbone but Garrard informed the team that he is not available.

"The Raiders were in contact with my agent, Al Irby, last night and he was straight with them about my back problem, that I also was having a second opinion today. So it's disappointing because I wanted to play but my doctor says this surgery won't prevent me from playing next year," Garrard told ESPN.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Exactly. Why pass up the opportunity to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Mike Brown is an idiot.

Hmm, you seem quite knowledgeable about the actual offers that Cincinnati has been receiving. You know for a fact they've even gotten an offer this high?Practical question: What is the difference between a draft pick they can get for Palmer now vs a draft pick that they get if they trade him in, say, March. Oh that's right, there is no difference. If Oakland offers something crazy stupid perhaps they entertain it - if not there's no reason to make a deal as there should be more teams interested after the season is over. On top of that you make the principle stick.-QG

That is roughly the going rate for a mediocre starting QB based on other recent trades. I don't know what exact offers they have been given, but I can extrapolate using common sense. I also know the owner has publicly stated that he refuses to trade Palmer. That's not doing Palmer's trade-value any favors. Mike Brown's idiocy was established with great moves such as denying a trade of Chad Johnson for a 2008 1st round pick and 2009 pick possibly a 1st also. That is hilarious.

 

[baconisgood]

Exactly. Why pass up the opportunity to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Mike Brown is an idiot.

Hmm, you seem quite knowledgeable about the actual offers that Cincinnati has been receiving. You know for a fact they've even gotten an offer this high?Practical question: What is the difference between a draft pick they can get for Palmer now vs a draft pick that they get if they trade him in, say, March. Oh that's right, there is no difference. If Oakland offers something crazy stupid perhaps they entertain it - if not there's no reason to make a deal as there should be more teams interested after the season is over. On top of that you make the principle stick.

-QG

Actually there is a big difference. The Raiders' need for Palmer is now while in March they will have Campbell back for 2012 + a few months of evaluating Proyr + evaluating draft options. Right now they are a team with a good record with a shot at the playoffs with Boller as their best option at QB. The offer the Raiders' make to the Bengals right now should represent the highest offer the Raiders' will ever make for Palmer.

 

[Rustoleum]

Exactly. Why pass up the opportunity to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Mike Brown is an idiot.

Hmm, you seem quite knowledgeable about the actual offers that Cincinnati has been receiving. You know for a fact they've even gotten an offer this high?Practical question: What is the difference between a draft pick they can get for Palmer now vs a draft pick that they get if they trade him in, say, March. Oh that's right, there is no difference. If Oakland offers something crazy stupid perhaps they entertain it - if not there's no reason to make a deal as there should be more teams interested after the season is over. On top of that you make the principle stick.-QG

That is roughly the going rate for a mediocre starting QB based on other recent trades. I don't know what exact offers they have been given, but I can extrapolate using common sense. I also know the owner has publicly stated that he refuses to trade Palmer. That's not doing Palmer's trade-value any favors. Mike Brown's idiocy was established with great moves such as denying a trade of Chad Johnson for a 2008 1st round pick and 2009 pick possibly a 1st also. That is hilarious.

Don't forget about passing On Ditka's offer to move up for Ricky Williams and taking Akili Smith instead. Palmer isn't going anywhere.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Exactly. Why pass up the opportunity to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Mike Brown is an idiot.

Hmm, you seem quite knowledgeable about the actual offers that Cincinnati has been receiving. You know for a fact they've even gotten an offer this high?Practical question: What is the difference between a draft pick they can get for Palmer now vs a draft pick that they get if they trade him in, say, March. Oh that's right, there is no difference. If Oakland offers something crazy stupid perhaps they entertain it - if not there's no reason to make a deal as there should be more teams interested after the season is over. On top of that you make the principle stick.-QG

That is roughly the going rate for a mediocre starting QB based on other recent trades. I don't know what exact offers they have been given, but I can extrapolate using common sense. I also know the owner has publicly stated that he refuses to trade Palmer. That's not doing Palmer's trade-value any favors. Mike Brown's idiocy was established with great moves such as denying a trade of Chad Johnson for a 2008 1st round pick and 2009 pick possibly a 1st also. That is hilarious.

Okay this is my favorite. For the 1000000000th time, that stupid example of the Chad non-trade is just such bunk it's not even funny. The Bengals would've incurred a massive cap charge if they traded Chad (due to accelerated signing bonus). The Bengals would've been out their #1 receiver at a time when they had just gotten rid of Henry (this was before the return). The 2nd pick in that trade was a conditional one and was more likely a 3rd. This also is based on "reports" - that may not have been the Redskins offer. But again - the Cap Charge would've been massive. As it turns out they kept Chad and won the division that year. If you are going to pick a non-trade to knock Mike Brown at least pick the right one: The Bengals turning down NO's entire draft to keep their pick and get Akili Smith. There is no increased value to trading the pick now as opposed to March. None. It does not make sense to deal him now.-QG

 

[cheese]

Exactly. Why pass up the opportunity to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Mike Brown is an idiot.

Hmm, you seem quite knowledgeable about the actual offers that Cincinnati has been receiving. You know for a fact they've even gotten an offer this high?Practical question: What is the difference between a draft pick they can get for Palmer now vs a draft pick that they get if they trade him in, say, March. Oh that's right, there is no difference. If Oakland offers something crazy stupid perhaps they entertain it - if not there's no reason to make a deal as there should be more teams interested after the season is over. On top of that you make the principle stick.

-QG

That is roughly the going rate for a mediocre starting QB based on other recent trades. I don't know what exact offers they have been given, but I can extrapolate using common sense. I also know the owner has publicly stated that he refuses to trade Palmer. That's not doing Palmer's trade-value any favors. Mike Brown's idiocy was established with great moves such as denying a trade of Chad Johnson for a 2008 1st round pick and 2009 pick possibly a 1st also. That is hilarious.

Okay this is my favorite. For the 1000000000th time, that stupid example of the Chad non-trade is just such bunk it's not even funny. The Bengals would've incurred a massive cap charge if they traded Chad (due to accelerated signing bonus). The Bengals would've been out their #1 receiver at a time when they had just gotten rid of Henry (this was before the return). The 2nd pick in that trade was a conditional one and was more likely a 3rd. This also is based on "reports" - that may not have been the Redskins offer. But again - the Cap Charge would've been massive. As it turns out they kept Chad and won the division that year. If you are going to pick a non-trade to knock Mike Brown at least pick the right one: The Bengals turning down NO's entire draft to keep their pick and get Akili Smith. There is no increased value to trading the pick now as opposed to March. None. It does not make sense to deal him now.

-QG

Bingo. Your entire post is spot on, but the bolded is all that matters. He turned down draft picks and it won the Bengals (a franchise STARVING for success) the division. Great decision that worked out great for the Bengals. People's hate of Mike Brown is causing them to automatically hate every move he makes. Even when they're right and even when they're proven right.For all of those that think Palmer needs traded today, lets pretend that you are right that Oakland is offering more now than they'll get later. You don't think there is value in keeping Palmer off of the Raiders? If they're offering a 3rd now and Cincy can only get a 4th for him in March, I would still just wait. The last thing Cincy fans want is to watch Palmer have success and possibly beat them out for a wild card spot.

 

[DocHolliday]

I cannot believe I am posting to this silly thread. The Raiders never stated what they were willing to offer for Palmer. I am willing to be it was a 6th or 7th rounder. The Raiders have a history of making some dumb moves but there is no way the Raiders offered a 2nd or even a 3rd for Palmer. End of story.

The Bengals are going to continue to be abused in their tough division because of the their inability to improve their team. The Bengals would rather prove their point than get something for Palmer. That is simply a poor business decision. I like the Bengals. They have a good rookie QB and very good rookie WR. The D is solid. Benson is a good RB. The core pieces are there but it will all go to waste as the organization makes poor decisions or does not do the deals that it should.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I cannot believe I am posting to this silly thread. The Raiders never stated what they were willing to offer for Palmer. I am willing to be it was a 6th or 7th rounder. The Raiders have a history of making some dumb moves but there is no way the Raiders offered a 2nd or even a 3rd for Palmer. End of story.

Yet, they gave a 3rd for Pryor...Pryor is not a QB. End of Story.

 

[FavreCo]

I think they trade him.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Well well well. Going rate for mediocre starting qb is a 2nd-3rd rounder and the Raiders are offering a 1st. Seems like a no brainer even for Mike Brown.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Exactly. Why pass up the opportunity to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Mike Brown is an idiot.

Hmm, you seem quite knowledgeable about the actual offers that Cincinnati has been receiving. You know for a fact they've even gotten an offer this high?Practical question: What is the difference between a draft pick they can get for Palmer now vs a draft pick that they get if they trade him in, say, March. Oh that's right, there is no difference. If Oakland offers something crazy stupid perhaps they entertain it - if not there's no reason to make a deal as there should be more teams interested after the season is over. On top of that you make the principle stick.-QG

That is roughly the going rate for a mediocre starting QB based on other recent trades. I don't know what exact offers they have been given, but I can extrapolate using common sense. I also know the owner has publicly stated that he refuses to trade Palmer. That's not doing Palmer's trade-value any favors. Mike Brown's idiocy was established with great moves such as denying a trade of Chad Johnson for a 2008 1st round pick and 2009 pick possibly a 1st also. That is hilarious.

Okay this is my favorite. For the 1000000000th time, that stupid example of the Chad non-trade is just such bunk it's not even funny. The Bengals would've incurred a massive cap charge if they traded Chad (due to accelerated signing bonus). The Bengals would've been out their #1 receiver at a time when they had just gotten rid of Henry (this was before the return). The 2nd pick in that trade was a conditional one and was more likely a 3rd. This also is based on "reports" - that may not have been the Redskins offer. But again - the Cap Charge would've been massive. As it turns out they kept Chad and won the division that year. If you are going to pick a non-trade to knock Mike Brown at least pick the right one: The Bengals turning down NO's entire draft to keep their pick and get Akili Smith. There is no increased value to trading the pick now as opposed to March. None. It does not make sense to deal him now.-QG

The Bengals went 4-11-1 in 2008, so no, they didn't win the division by keeping Chad. The trade was declined in April 08 before the NFL draft 2008. This was a huge fail for them. Of course the Ricky Williams for your whole draft trade is a massive boneheaded move.

 

[DocHolliday]

I cannot believe I am posting to this silly thread. The Raiders never stated what they were willing to offer for Palmer. I am willing to be it was a 6th or 7th rounder. The Raiders have a history of making some dumb moves but there is no way the Raiders offered a 2nd or even a 3rd for Palmer. End of story.

Yet, they gave a 3rd for Pryor...Pryor is not a QB. End of Story.

I have to admit that is a very good point. If the rumor is true that Oakland is giving up a 1st round pick for Palmer, Oakland is an even worse organization than I thought. This is a dumb move even by Al Davis standards.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Exactly. Why pass up the opportunity to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Mike Brown is an idiot.

Hmm, you seem quite knowledgeable about the actual offers that Cincinnati has been receiving. You know for a fact they've even gotten an offer this high?Practical question: What is the difference between a draft pick they can get for Palmer now vs a draft pick that they get if they trade him in, say, March. Oh that's right, there is no difference. If Oakland offers something crazy stupid perhaps they entertain it - if not there's no reason to make a deal as there should be more teams interested after the season is over. On top of that you make the principle stick.

-QG

Actually there is a big difference. The Raiders' need for Palmer is now while in March they will have Campbell back for 2012 + a few months of evaluating Proyr + evaluating draft options. Right now they are a team with a good record with a shot at the playoffs with Boller as their best option at QB. The offer the Raiders' make to the Bengals right now should represent the highest offer the Raiders' will ever make for Palmer.

boom

 

[JMon348]

there is no way the Raiders offered a 2nd or even a 3rd for Palmer. End of story.

 

[Kirby]

The Raiders & Bengals are close to a trade that would send Carson Palmer to OAK for a first-rounder in 2012 and a conditional pick in future - Jay Glazer twitter

 

[DocHolliday]

The Raiders & Bengals are close to a trade that would send Carson Palmer to OAK for a first-rounder in 2012 and a conditional pick in future - Jay Glazer twitter

Bengals are making out like bandits. Raiders are either very dumb or desperate or lots of both. Way too much to give up for a decent but not great QB.

 

[cheese]

Geez, at that price all bets may be off.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Mike Brown wins.

I can't believe they got the 2012 1st-rounder AND a conditional 2013 1st-rounder (no worse than a 2nd-rounder).

You'll still never convince me about the cap-killing Redskins trade. Everyone likes to point to it in a vacuum but in the real world they hurt their team at that time and have 0 WRs.

-QG

 

[spodog]

Cole suggests the Raiders offer a third-rounder in 2013 that could increase to a second- or even first-rounder depending on Palmer's performance.

This is just crazy enough to actually happen. The Raiders seem hell bent on mortgaging their future to collect a bunch of players for a run this year. It's foolish for sure, as the Raiders upside for this season is likely a 1st round playoff elimination. I could see them doing this, however, leaving their draft cupboard bare for years to come. Face it, it's the Raider way.

You are either on illicit drugs, need to be or are a Chef/Donkey/Dolt fan.

. . . or I have better intel than even Jay Glazer.

 

[spodog]

I cannot believe I am posting to this silly thread. The Raiders never stated what they were willing to offer for Palmer. I am willing to be it was a 6th or 7th rounder. The Raiders have a history of making some dumb moves but there is no way the Raiders offered a 2nd or even a 3rd for Palmer. End of story.

Or not.

 

[Reepicheep]

For 2012, their picks look like:R2 - The Patriots own it. (Raiders got a 3rd and 4th this year I think)R3 - None. They have Terrelle Pryor instead.R4 - None. They have a broken Jason Campbell instead. R7 - None. They have Aaron Curry instead.

Wow, so the Raiders now have their 1st, 3rd, and 4th round 2012 picks invested in QBs.

 

[QuizGuy66]

For 2012, their picks look like:R2 - The Patriots own it. (Raiders got a 3rd and 4th this year I think)R3 - None. They have Terrelle Pryor instead.R4 - None. They have a broken Jason Campbell instead. R7 - None. They have Aaron Curry instead.

Wow, so the Raiders now have their 1st, 3rd, and 4th round 2012 picks invested in QBs.

Yup - just imagine what QB they can get for their 5th and 6th rounder -QG