Panthers restructure DeShaun Foster's contract. (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Published Mon Apr 9 9:32:00 a.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) The Panthers recently restructured DeShaun Foster's contract.

Impact: His 2007 base pay dropped from $4.25 million to $750,000, saving $1.75 million in cap space. The zone-blocking scheme Carolina will implement is expected to suit both Foster and DeAngelo Williams' running styles.

What do you guys think.

w/ a restructured deal; it will make it easier for the Panthers to trade him away on draft day. W/ teams like Tenn and GB still looking for Backs; it might happen.

 

[prymetyme25]

Published Mon Apr 9 9:32:00 a.m. ET 2007 (Rotoworld) The Panthers recently restructured DeShaun Foster's contract.Impact: His 2007 base pay dropped from $4.25 million to $750,000, saving $1.75 million in cap space. The zone-blocking scheme Carolina will implement is expected to suit both Foster and DeAngelo Williams' running styles. What do you guys think.w/ a restructured deal; it will make it easier for the Panthers to trade him away on draft day. W/ teams like Tenn and GB still looking for Backs; it might happen.

Not sure but I dont think that money dissappears, Think it goes into some kind of Signing bonus or something like that. I think if they cut him now it hurts more than it did before but I'm not sure about that. Hopefully someone else has more insight into this because I would be very interested to know.

 

[TheGreatest]

Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please

D. Will Owner

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Published Mon Apr 9 9:32:00 a.m. ET 2007 (Rotoworld) The Panthers recently restructured DeShaun Foster's contract.Impact: His 2007 base pay dropped from $4.25 million to $750,000, saving $1.75 million in cap space. The zone-blocking scheme Carolina will implement is expected to suit both Foster and DeAngelo Williams' running styles. What do you guys think.w/ a restructured deal; it will make it easier for the Panthers to trade him away on draft day. W/ teams like Tenn and GB still looking for Backs; it might happen.

I suspect the opposite may be true. Saving cap space this year generally means more cap hit in the future, but that would be accelerated back into this year if a trade/release happens.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Most likely its in incentive pay that he and they know will never see the light of day unless DWill get injuried and Foster sees the majority of carries.

And if thats the case; another team may be interested in his services.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, renegotiating generally means the player and the team want to stay together not split apart. I take this as a sign that Foster will be sticking around.

As for how this would impact a potential trade, I doubt it changes the cap hit to the Panthers should he be moved. I'm thinking that they moved around his salaries from one year to another. I don't know what else they changed, but IIRC you can't change signing bonus cap hit charges unless you convert them to actual paid out roster bonuses (which would accelerate the cap hit all at once and would not save any cap dollars). That's a manuever usually implemented by teams looking to reduce the cap hit in the future because they are currently so far under the cap and want to get it applied a lot sooner.

 

[David Yudkin]

I since looked up what happened, and Foster apparently converted some of his salary to a signing bonus. So he lowered his salary by converting it to a bonus instead and thus will not get less money at all. This allows the Panthers to space the cap hit out over the remainder of his contract. This really makes it more likely that he will stick around, as now if he's traded Carolina will have to absorb an even greater cap hit (an extra $3.5 million) than they would have before.

 

[KoolKat]

The Carolina Panthers recently restructured the contract of running back DeShaun Foster, in order to create approximately $1.75 million in additional salary cap room this season. Foster agreed to reduce his base salary from $4.25 million to $750,000.

I always thought Foster showed flashes of being a star, and even had a couple of those types of plays last year. However, I think we can all agree he busted last year. Now that he will be part of RBBC in Carolina, can he re-establish himself as a starting NFL RB in the opportunities he gets? Maybe this helps him stay fresh and healthy? He will almost certainly lose his job completely to DeAngelo Williams following the 2007 season, not to mention any chance on another team, if he cannot produce at a high level. I think he's a value pick, as many people will think Williams takes over full time this year. Problem is, that very well could happen.

 

[pantherclub]

You can expect happy feet in the backfield.

 

[David Yudkin]

Foster did not take a pay cut. He'll be getting the same amount of money as before, just $3.5 million of it will be as a signing bonus instead of salary.

 

[KellysHeroes]

If they don't trade him; then he will be backing up DWill by the end of 1st quarter.

The Big Wigs didn't pick the 2nd rated RB (at the time) just to watch him sit or even share the ball.

 

[David Yudkin]

If they don't trade him; then he will be backing up DWill by the end of 1st quarter.The Big Wigs didn't pick the 2nd rated RB (at the time) just to watch him sit or even share the ball.

But they also did not sign Foster to almost a $5 million per year deal to hold a clipboard. IMO, this will be a similar situation to last year.

 

[KoolKat]

If they don't trade him; then he will be backing up DWill by the end of 1st quarter.The Big Wigs didn't pick the 2nd rated RB (at the time) just to watch him sit or even share the ball.

But they also did not sign Foster to almost a $5 million per year deal to hold a clipboard. IMO, this will be a similar situation to last year.

I think that many teams around the league feel they can get equal production out of two good RBs as they could with a superstar which are rare to come by. And I'm not sold on Williams as a full time guy.

 

[eefflrat]

If they don't trade him; then he will be backing up DWill by the end of 1st quarter.The Big Wigs didn't pick the 2nd rated RB (at the time) just to watch him sit or even share the ball.

Yeah, and the Bears picked Cedric Benson to be the man right away too.. Sometimes it doesn't work the way we fantasy guys hope it will. DW is splitting time at least to start this year, he'll be lucky to shake Foster off his taill if Foster is healthy.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Yeah, and the Bears picked Cedric Benson to be the man right away too.. Sometimes it doesn't work the way we fantasy guys hope it will. DW is splitting time at least to start this year, he'll be lucky to shake Foster off his taill if Foster is healthy.

Foster is no TJ. Foster has not even come close to TJ's totals; the guy has had a sub-par career.

 

[zamboni]

If they don't trade him; then he will be backing up DWill by the end of 1st quarter.

I think Foster is already the de facto backup. But as much as Carolina likes to run the ball, there will probably be enough carries to go around.As for Foster's restructuring, lots of guys do so to give their teams more cap relief. I don't see this being any different.

 

[prymetyme25]

Yeah, and the Bears picked Cedric Benson to be the man right away too.. Sometimes it doesn't work the way we fantasy guys hope it will. DW is splitting time at least to start this year, he'll be lucky to shake Foster off his taill if Foster is healthy.

Foster is no TJ. Foster has not even come close to TJ's totals; the guy has had a sub-par career.

Just Remember that TJ wasn't TJ the first few years of his career either. Just something to consider.

 

[Kleck.]

I agree with Yudkin here.

If Carolina was going to cut Foster they would have been better off keeping his contract like it was. If they are planning on trading him they should have let the next team deal with restructuring.

IMO, all signs point to a Foster/Williams combo in 2007. Which is not a bad thing for Carolina.

 

[UCSBgerry]

This my friends is a full blown RBBC and neither will do anything of much. Foster, if not hurt, is actually a good RB who averages over four yards per carry. He is still young and DWill will not be replacing him anytime soon as evident by Foster's renegotiated contract.

DWill's dynasty value continues to plummit!

 

[KellysHeroes]

Just Remember that TJ wasn't TJ the first few years of his career either. Just something to consider.

Was TJ this injury prone? It seems everytime this guy is given a chance; hes hurt.And your right; TJ turned into a monster after he visited a couple of other teams

 

[OoOBaby]

Foster was never going to get cut or traded.

I also expect Foster to be the starting RB week 1.

Foster was injured, DWill took over. Once Foster was healthy, he carried the ball 28 then 19 times in the final two weeks. When he carried it 28 times, the Panthers were still in the playoff hunt. So we have this hot rookie, gets his shot at starting, but then Foster takes back over and carries the ball 28 times.

So either

1) DWill wasn't ready to start at the end of 2006

2) They don't see Dwill as a feature RB

3) Foster isn't as bad as everyone on the net believes

But if you look at the Dwill hype, and how bad everyone thinks Foster is, why on earth would Foster resume his starting role, and get *28* carries week 16?

So we're banking on DWill having an amazing off season? Regardless they probably feel like they need both RBs, plan on a RBBC, and see no need to demote Foster. They'll play the hot hand and without an injury, Dwill isn't going to be a feature RB this year.

Teams simply don't hand over the starting RB job anymore. Benson was a much higher pick, paid much higher salary, and he could barely get on the field. If a team can use an experienced RB as the starter, and a rookie RB on the short end of a RBBC, they seem to drift towards that. But someone with the Panthers obviously likes Foster, because this is a move to keep him around, not cut him.

Of course DWill could dominate this preseason, and force the Panthers to start him. But if he wasn’t ready to do this at the end of 2006, it’s rather hopeful to assume the starting job is his in 2007. I predict more RBBC, and both of them being more or less useless fantasy wise in 2007.

Not to say Dwill didn't perform well when he started. But once Foster was back starting, the next 2 games he had 4 carries? Giving your hot rookie RB 4 carries in 2 games, in the playoff chase, doesn't scream "look at our 2007 feature RB!".

 

[zamboni]

Was TJ this injury prone?

Only when he was in the vicinity of a telephone.

 

[David Yudkin]

Yeah, and the Bears picked Cedric Benson to be the man right away too.. Sometimes it doesn't work the way we fantasy guys hope it will. DW is splitting time at least to start this year, he'll be lucky to shake Foster off his taill if Foster is healthy.

Foster is no TJ. Foster has not even come close to TJ's totals; the guy has had a sub-par career.

What we think doesn't matter. The Panthers coaching staff and front office obviously think that he is decent enough to a) keep around for 5 years (now heading on 6) despite repeated injuries and average production, b) give him almost a $5 per year contract extension, c) never cut or released him even though they had DW in the wings, d) an aversion to the end zone (only 10 career TD in 700+ touches), and now e) gave him more guaranteed money (compared to non-guaranteed salary) that will increase the team's cap hit in future seasons.I doubt that there is anyone on the boards that has bashed DeShaun Foster more than I have and for the life of me I don't see what people see in him that I'm missing. But the fact of the matter is the Panthers support his candidacy for playing time and it looks like he will continue to get a decent chunk of the RB workload.

 

[Warpig]

Yeah, and the Bears picked Cedric Benson to be the man right away too.. Sometimes it doesn't work the way we fantasy guys hope it will. DW is splitting time at least to start this year, he'll be lucky to shake Foster off his taill if Foster is healthy.

Foster is no TJ. Foster has not even come close to TJ's totals; the guy has had a sub-par career.

Just Remember that TJ wasn't TJ the first few years of his career either. Just something to consider.

I don't think KellysHeroes is considering much if anything. Unfortunately, it appears he is blinded by the fact that he owns D-Will and is trying to assure himself that D-Will will be the next Emmitt Smith and Foster and TJ couldn't carry his jock strap.Poor KH is afflicted with the terrible "D-Will-itis". I've seen many people on these boards stricken with it. One of the first signs is denial. Horrible stuff I tell ya.

 

[prymetyme25]

Just Remember that TJ wasn't TJ the first few years of his career either. Just something to consider.

Was TJ this injury prone? It seems everytime this guy is given a chance; hes hurt.And your right; TJ turned into a monster after he visited a couple of other teams

Now this is what should be more of a concern here. Now you have to ask the question, Would Thomas Jones have eventually busted out in Arizona or did he really need to leave to be sucessful? If he has to leave then does it mean that success is more situation or talent?

 

[Kleck.]

Poor KH is afflicted with the terrible "D-Will-itis". I've seen many people on these boards stricken with it. One of the first signs is denial. Horrible stuff I tell ya.

funny stuff.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

This my friends is a full blown RBBC and neither will do anything of much. Foster, if not hurt, is actually a good RB who averages over four yards per carry. He is still young and DWill will not be replacing him anytime soon as evident by Foster's renegotiated contract. DWill's dynasty value continues to plummit!

Bingo, you are absolutely right.This restructure is an indication thatCarolina will be keeping Foster & DWill,not dumping Foster.This is a smart move bty the front officeconsidering the injury risk to both players.RBBC for the forseeable future.

 

[stevegamer]

Just Remember that TJ wasn't TJ the first few years of his career either. Just something to consider.

Was TJ this injury prone? It seems everytime this guy is given a chance; hes hurt.And your right; TJ turned into a monster after he visited a couple of other teams

Now this is what should be more of a concern here. Now you have to ask the question, Would Thomas Jones have eventually busted out in Arizona or did he really need to leave to be sucessful? If he has to leave then does it mean that success is more situation or talent?

The important part of your question is: ARIZONACrappy OL? Check

Playing from behind? Check

Coaching/QB Carousel? Check

Coaching/GM ineptitude? Check

Winning seasons? 1

.500 seasons? 1

Number of RB's in Arizona decent or better for more than one year: ZERO.

Adrian Murrell had 1 decent year.

Ron Moore had 1 decent year.

Edgerrin James had 1 decent year.

Ferrell, Shipp, Pittman, Jones, Johnson, McElroy, Hearst, et al. had some years they were mediocre, either getting 1000 yards with poor TD totals, or less with pedestrian TD totals.

 

[UCSBgerry]

DWill is a great SELL NOW candidate. For some reason, he is rated as a top 15 or so dynasty back when he should be somewhere around 22-27.

 

[Chunky Soup]

DWill's dynasty value continues to plummit!

When you say "continue", you're assuming it had already been falling. It has been on the rise during the course of the off-season. I love how you have 2 posts randomly claming that his value will fall and he should be #22-27 Dynasty back. Trying to pry him from leaguemates?DeAngelo simply outperformed DeShaun and he was just a rookie. DeShaun had more opportunities, more expectations and it certainly fell through. Its not even a question. When DWill is far more talented in the rushing and passing game, he will be a featured set of the offense. Newspapers have been saying that all offseason and last years statistics indicate that DeWill not only played better, but being a rookie he has much more upside.I'd say DeShaun has become more of insurance for the Panthers and maybe a break for DeAngelo.

 

[UCSBgerry]

DWill's dynasty value continues to plummit!

When you say "continue", you're assuming it had already been falling. It has been on the rise during the course of the off-season. I love how you have 2 posts randomly claming that his value will fall and he should be #22-27 Dynasty back. Trying to pry him from leaguemates?DeAngelo simply outperformed DeShaun and he was just a rookie. DeShaun had more opportunities, more expectations and it certainly fell through. Its not even a question. When DWill is far more talented in the rushing and passing game, he will be a featured set of the offense. Newspapers have been saying that all offseason and last years statistics indicate that DeWill not only played better, but being a rookie he has much more upside.I'd say DeShaun has become more of insurance for the Panthers and maybe a break for DeAngelo.

Let me guess, you are a proud dynasty owner of a shiny DWill!

 

[Chunky Soup]

DWill's dynasty value continues to plummit!

When you say "continue", you're assuming it had already been falling. It has been on the rise during the course of the off-season. I love how you have 2 posts randomly claming that his value will fall and he should be #22-27 Dynasty back. Trying to pry him from leaguemates?DeAngelo simply outperformed DeShaun and he was just a rookie. DeShaun had more opportunities, more expectations and it certainly fell through. Its not even a question. When DWill is far more talented in the rushing and passing game, he will be a featured set of the offense. Newspapers have been saying that all offseason and last years statistics indicate that DeWill not only played better, but being a rookie he has much more upside.I'd say DeShaun has become more of insurance for the Panthers and maybe a break for DeAngelo.

Let me guess, you are a proud dynasty owner of a shiny DWill!

 

[David Yudkin]

I'd say DeShaun has become more of insurance for the Panthers and maybe a break for DeAngelo.

IMO, the insurance policy does not cost more than the starter. Foster is paid too much to have on the bench. Foster will get roughly $5 million this year. Williams' salary is $360,000. I'm not saying that Williams can't outperform Foster and at some point won't become the starter, but at this point I don't see how there is any way that Williams is the clear starter and Foster is a clear backup.

 

[simey]

What do you guys think.w/ a restructured deal; it will make it easier for the Panthers to trade him away on draft day. W/ teams like Tenn and GB still looking for Backs; it might happen.

the only Panther i have heard that might be on the trade block come draft day is Kris Jenkins. i don't think DeShaun is going anywhere.

 

[eefflrat]

Yeah, and the Bears picked Cedric Benson to be the man right away too.. Sometimes it doesn't work the way we fantasy guys hope it will. DW is splitting time at least to start this year, he'll be lucky to shake Foster off his taill if Foster is healthy.

Foster is no TJ. Foster has not even come close to TJ's totals; the guy has had a sub-par career.

Tj has had 2 good seasons in a career that is in it's 8th year. His career was sub - par until the year Benson was drafted, then he really broke out. And yes, he was hurt, he had that breathing ailment that he used as an excuse those first couple of years. I remember other things too. true Foster may not pan out like TJ did but my point was simply that the Panthers are keeping Foster on board at that price for more than insurance. like it or not, it's a RBBC most likely. TJ couldn't beat Pittman or Shipp out in Arizona, and then in Tampa he was behind Pittman again and Alstott.

 

[Thom Yorke]

Foster is starting to look like a guy who could wind up representing real value in redraft leagues this year. I'll be curious to see what his ADP shapes up to be this summer.

 

[Warpig]

DWill's dynasty value continues to plummit!

When you say "continue", you're assuming it had already been falling. It has been on the rise during the course of the off-season. I love how you have 2 posts randomly claming that his value will fall and he should be #22-27 Dynasty back. Trying to pry him from leaguemates?DeAngelo simply outperformed DeShaun and he was just a rookie. DeShaun had more opportunities, more expectations and it certainly fell through. Its not even a question. When DWill is far more talented in the rushing and passing game, he will be a featured set of the offense. Newspapers have been saying that all offseason and last years statistics indicate that DeWill not only played better, but being a rookie he has much more upside.I'd say DeShaun has become more of insurance for the Panthers and maybe a break for DeAngelo.

Let me guess, you are a proud dynasty owner of a shiny DWill!

Did I mention that "D-Will-itis" is highly communicable?

 

[OoOBaby]

DWill's dynasty value continues to plummit!

When you say "continue", you're assuming it had already been falling. It has been on the rise during the course of the off-season. I love how you have 2 posts randomly claming that his value will fall and he should be #22-27 Dynasty back. Trying to pry him from leaguemates?DeAngelo simply outperformed DeShaun and he was just a rookie. DeShaun had more opportunities, more expectations and it certainly fell through. Its not even a question. When DWill is far more talented in the rushing and passing game, he will be a featured set of the offense. Newspapers have been saying that all offseason and last years statistics indicate that DeWill not only played better, but being a rookie he has much more upside.I'd say DeShaun has become more of insurance for the Panthers and maybe a break for DeAngelo.

This has no connection with reality.If DWill out played him, why did Dwill get 4 carries in 2 games after Foster came back? In the playoff hunt? Why did Foster get the bulk of the carries in the last 4 games of the year? With a playoff spot on the line?Either Fox is a complete moron, or you're wrong. Fact is they felt Foster starting at the end of the year gave them the best shot to win. That's not opinion, that's fact. I personally think Foster is trash. But our opinions don't matter, the Panthers coaching staff is the only one that matters. And by their ACTIONS, it seems Foster is far more highly regarded then he is here.

 

[Chunky Soup]

DWill's dynasty value continues to plummit!

When you say "continue", you're assuming it had already been falling. It has been on the rise during the course of the off-season. I love how you have 2 posts randomly claming that his value will fall and he should be #22-27 Dynasty back. Trying to pry him from leaguemates?DeAngelo simply outperformed DeShaun and he was just a rookie. DeShaun had more opportunities, more expectations and it certainly fell through. Its not even a question. When DWill is far more talented in the rushing and passing game, he will be a featured set of the offense. Newspapers have been saying that all offseason and last years statistics indicate that DeWill not only played better, but being a rookie he has much more upside.

I'd say DeShaun has become more of insurance for the Panthers and maybe a break for DeAngelo.

This has no connection with reality.If DWill out played him, why did Dwill get 4 carries in 2 games after Foster came back? In the playoff hunt? Why did Foster get the bulk of the carries in the last 4 games of the year? With a playoff spot on the line?

Either Fox is a complete moron, or you're wrong. Fact is they felt Foster starting at the end of the year gave them the best shot to win. That's not opinion, that's fact.

I personally think Foster is trash. But our opinions don't matter, the Panthers coaching staff is the only one that matters. And by their ACTIONS, it seems Foster is far more highly regarded then he is here.

I would certainly say this is your opinion. Look at what they both did in those weeks:Games 11-17:

11) 20

12) 17

13) 17

14) 2

15) 2

16) 21

17) 9

Two games and you're assuming he has no trust of his coach? And how many did your boy DeShaun get in weeks 14/15?

14) 8

15) 7

This is hardly telling me he has so much confidence from his coach, since, according to you, #carries in those weeks is correlated with trust.

Besides, Delhomme wasn't playing, Weinke was. Maybe they figured they were screwed anyway. Maybe Weinke works better with DeShaun for some reason. Wasn't DeAngelo playing QB/RB at times too in a "single wing"? Their whole offense was in disarray. Who knows what the reason is. Saying DeShaun's 6 and 5 more carries means Fox trusts Deshaun more is simply anything but fact.

 

[OoOBaby]

DWill's dynasty value continues to plummit!

When you say "continue", you're assuming it had already been falling. It has been on the rise during the course of the off-season. I love how you have 2 posts randomly claming that his value will fall and he should be #22-27 Dynasty back. Trying to pry him from leaguemates?DeAngelo simply outperformed DeShaun and he was just a rookie. DeShaun had more opportunities, more expectations and it certainly fell through. Its not even a question. When DWill is far more talented in the rushing and passing game, he will be a featured set of the offense. Newspapers have been saying that all offseason and last years statistics indicate that DeWill not only played better, but being a rookie he has much more upside.

I'd say DeShaun has become more of insurance for the Panthers and maybe a break for DeAngelo.

This has no connection with reality.If DWill out played him, why did Dwill get 4 carries in 2 games after Foster came back? In the playoff hunt? Why did Foster get the bulk of the carries in the last 4 games of the year? With a playoff spot on the line?

Either Fox is a complete moron, or you're wrong. Fact is they felt Foster starting at the end of the year gave them the best shot to win. That's not opinion, that's fact.

I personally think Foster is trash. But our opinions don't matter, the Panthers coaching staff is the only one that matters. And by their ACTIONS, it seems Foster is far more highly regarded then he is here.

I would certainly say this is your opinion. Look at what they both did in those weeks:Games 11-17:

11) 20

12) 17

13) 17

14) 2

15) 2

16) 21

17) 9

Two games and you're assuming he has no trust of his coach? And how many did your boy DeShaun get in weeks 14/15?

14) 8

15) 7

This is hardly telling me he has so much confidence from his coach, since, according to you, #carries in those weeks is correlated with trust.

Besides, Delhomme wasn't playing, Weinke was. Maybe they figured they were screwed anyway. Maybe Weinke works better with DeShaun for some reason. Wasn't DeAngelo playing QB/RB at times too in a "single wing"? Their whole offense was in disarray. Who knows what the reason is. Saying DeShaun's 6 and 5 more carries means Fox trusts Deshaun more is simply anything but fact.

And what about Fosters 28 and 19 carries the last two games? Fact is DWill was starting; Foster came back and got the BULK of the carries. That's fact. That's not opinion.Panthers felt Foster getting the bulk of the carries in the last 4 games gave them the best shot to win. End of story.

Your best argument as to why is, the Panthers were tossing games? Giving up? In the playoff hunt? So wait, Foster was getting carries to improve their draft position?

Seriously step away from the Kool-Aid, you've got it all over your face, your chest, and you ruined your nice clothes. You won't get a boy with grape DeW Kool-Aid stains all over your dress.

DocT Drinkin the DeW Kool-Aid

 

[UCSBgerry]

DWill's dynasty value continues to plummit!

When you say "continue", you're assuming it had already been falling. It has been on the rise during the course of the off-season. I love how you have 2 posts randomly claming that his value will fall and he should be #22-27 Dynasty back. Trying to pry him from leaguemates?DeAngelo simply outperformed DeShaun and he was just a rookie. DeShaun had more opportunities, more expectations and it certainly fell through. Its not even a question. When DWill is far more talented in the rushing and passing game, he will be a featured set of the offense. Newspapers have been saying that all offseason and last years statistics indicate that DeWill not only played better, but being a rookie he has much more upside.

I'd say DeShaun has become more of insurance for the Panthers and maybe a break for DeAngelo.

This has no connection with reality.If DWill out played him, why did Dwill get 4 carries in 2 games after Foster came back? In the playoff hunt? Why did Foster get the bulk of the carries in the last 4 games of the year? With a playoff spot on the line?

Either Fox is a complete moron, or you're wrong. Fact is they felt Foster starting at the end of the year gave them the best shot to win. That's not opinion, that's fact.

I personally think Foster is trash. But our opinions don't matter, the Panthers coaching staff is the only one that matters. And by their ACTIONS, it seems Foster is far more highly regarded then he is here.

I would certainly say this is your opinion. Look at what they both did in those weeks:Games 11-17:

11) 20

12) 17

13) 17

14) 2

15) 2

16) 21

17) 9

Two games and you're assuming he has no trust of his coach? And how many did your boy DeShaun get in weeks 14/15?

14) 8

15) 7

This is hardly telling me he has so much confidence from his coach, since, according to you, #carries in those weeks is correlated with trust.

Besides, Delhomme wasn't playing, Weinke was. Maybe they figured they were screwed anyway. Maybe Weinke works better with DeShaun for some reason. Wasn't DeAngelo playing QB/RB at times too in a "single wing"? Their whole offense was in disarray. Who knows what the reason is. Saying DeShaun's 6 and 5 more carries means Fox trusts Deshaun more is simply anything but fact.

And what about Fosters 28 and 19 carries the last two games? Fact is DWill was starting; Foster came back and got the BULK of the carries. That's fact. That's not opinion.Panthers felt Foster getting the bulk of the carries in the last 4 games gave them the best shot to win. End of story.

Your best argument as to why is, the Panthers were tossing games? Giving up? In the playoff hunt? So wait, Foster was getting carries to improve their draft position?

Seriously step away from the Kool-Aid, you've got it all over your face, your chest, and you ruined your nice clothes. You won't get a boy with grape DeW Kool-Aid stains all over your dress.

DocT Drinkin the DeW Kool-Aid

Who cares about either of these guys. They are mere bye week fillers. If you have to start one of them, your team sucks!

 

[KoolKat]

Apparently you aren't familar with Dynasty Leagues. Or the fact that players get injured.

 

[switz]

w/ a restructured deal; it will make it easier for the Panthers to trade him away on draft day. W/ teams like Tenn and GB still looking for Backs; it might happen.

Completely depends on how it was restructured...Was this year's salary dropped by giving him the difference up front? Was his contract extended? Without knowing the parameters, this could make it either easier or harder to cut him. I doubt they cut him this year though.

 

[Donnybrook]

I since looked up what happened, and Foster apparently converted some of his salary to a signing bonus. So he lowered his salary by converting it to a bonus instead and thus will not get less money at all. This allows the Panthers to space the cap hit out over the remainder of his contract. This really makes it more likely that he will stick around, as now if he's traded Carolina will have to absorb an even greater cap hit (an extra $3.5 million) than they would have before.

You should probably have the tittle of this thread changed. How about "Foster is staying a Panther, deal with it Dwill fans"? BTW: I have them both so I am not a hater of either.

 

[David Yudkin]

w/ a restructured deal; it will make it easier for the Panthers to trade him away on draft day. W/ teams like Tenn and GB still looking for Backs; it might happen.

Completely depends on how it was restructured...Was this year's salary dropped by giving him the difference up front? Was his contract extended? Without knowing the parameters, this could make it either easier or harder to cut him. I doubt they cut him this year though.

His 2007 base pay dropped from $4.25 million to $750,000, saving $1.75 million in cap space. He didn't take a paycut, though, just converted $3.5 million into a signing bonus.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I had both of these guys last year and moved both of them within the first couple of weeks of the season. I'm not high on either guy and the Carolina O-Line is in the bottom 3rd of the league right now, yes they had some injuries but they have no depth at all. Whoever ranked Foster/Dwill at around 25 for redraft in this thread is onto something, I would be pretty upset if I had to count on either of them as a RB2, even a RB3 I wouldn't count on them, purely as a bye week filler in a crunch.

 

[JohnnyU]

Yeah, and the Bears picked Cedric Benson to be the man right away too.. Sometimes it doesn't work the way we fantasy guys hope it will. DW is splitting time at least to start this year, he'll be lucky to shake Foster off his taill if Foster is healthy.

Foster is no TJ. Foster has not even come close to TJ's totals; the guy has had a sub-par career.

Just Remember that TJ wasn't TJ the first few years of his career either. Just something to consider.

I don't think KellysHeroes is considering much if anything. Unfortunately, it appears he is blinded by the fact that he owns D-Will and is trying to assure himself that D-Will will be the next Emmitt Smith and Foster and TJ couldn't carry his jock strap.Poor KH is afflicted with the terrible "D-Will-itis". I've seen many people on these boards stricken with it. One of the first signs is denial. Horrible stuff I tell ya.

Just like those Bensonites, now look at them (me included .

 

[Bob Magaw]

nobody, probably not even CAR coaching staff & foster/williams themselves, know exactly how the carries will be divided in 07...

fox is notorious for being loyal to vets, to a fault (see stephen davis getting bulk carries after seemingly everybody else in the world could see he had hit the wall)... IF williams is more talented & is able to consistently outperform foster, you have to think at some point the mix of carries could point more decisively in deangelo's direction...

fox is almost certainly a little more on the hot seat than he was in 05-06, so he can't affort to make a catastrophic mistake in running game based on stubborness...

imo, it isn't said often enough, so just a reminder... the NFL isn't fantasy football, & if you are a liability in pass protection, it can absolutely impact on a young RBs ability to see the field... foster is more experienced & better at this critically important aspect of the game, & deangelo still needs much work in this department... is it worth being a little better at RB if you get QB clobbered & hurt QB & WRs?

that said, i think deangelo has good attitude & work ethic, & i am hopeful he has what it takes to get better in this department... but he may never be known for stoning blitzing LBs in backfield... he isn't small, but is on short side, & that can effect leverage... this can be compensated for (to an extent), with good technique, form, anticipation, recognition, instincts, toughness, intensity, willingness, etc...

but whichever side of the debate, the importance of pass protection shouldn't be underestimated, or the degree deangelo's playing time (or lack thereof) could be contingent on his continued improvement in this area...

 

[KellysHeroes]

Yeah, and the Bears picked Cedric Benson to be the man right away too.. Sometimes it doesn't work the way we fantasy guys hope it will. DW is splitting time at least to start this year, he'll be lucky to shake Foster off his taill if Foster is healthy.

Foster is no TJ. Foster has not even come close to TJ's totals; the guy has had a sub-par career.

Just Remember that TJ wasn't TJ the first few years of his career either. Just something to consider.

I don't think KellysHeroes is considering much if anything. Unfortunately, it appears he is blinded by the fact that he owns D-Will and is trying to assure himself that D-Will will be the next Emmitt Smith and Foster and TJ couldn't carry his jock strap.Poor KH is afflicted with the terrible "D-Will-itis". I've seen many people on these boards stricken with it. One of the first signs is denial. Horrible stuff I tell ya.

Piggy; when did I say that DWill is going to be great.. if I did; please quote me...eefflrat was comparing Foster/DWill to TJ/Benson.. that too me is laughable.. Is anyone going to Draft Foster over TJ, is anyone going to think their going to get over 1200 yds out of Foster? NOPE Are people going to draft Foster and DWill in the same round like they use too w/ TJ and Benson last yr? NOPEEveryone is going to draft DWill way ahead of Foster because they know DWill is going to get his chance and will most likely take the job by mid-year. Foster had his chances in 2004 and 2005 to be the man (both yrs S Davis was placed on IR); and what happen both yrs? FOSTER WENT DOWN IF AN INJURY!And in 2006 he wasn't anything special at all; Failed to break 1000 yds because HE GOT INJURIED.Yeah, I own DWill. Drafted him this yr at 2.07 in a 14 team dynasty (19th RB taken) and I draft the Jacobs (4.07; 26th RB taken) Droughns combo for my RB #2 as I wait for Foster to go away.I realize that there is usaully a waiting period w/ 2nd yr RBs.. But DWill is in a good situation in Car and I'm happy w/ my selection.

 

[Dolfan34]

w/ a restructured deal; it will make it easier for the Panthers to trade him away on draft day. W/ teams like Tenn and GB still looking for Backs; it might happen.

Completely depends on how it was restructured...Was this year's salary dropped by giving him the difference up front? Was his contract extended? Without knowing the parameters, this could make it either easier or harder to cut him. I doubt they cut him this year though.

His 2007 base pay dropped from $4.25 million to $750,000, saving $1.75 million in cap space. He didn't take a paycut, though, just converted $3.5 million into a signing bonus.

correct me if i am wrong, but this restructuring does not tell the story at all for foster in 2008. in 2006, people were speculating that foster could be cut this year because his salary was a rediculous 5 million, but they did not owe him any guarenteed money this year because they gave him his bonus money in 2006. well, we have the same situation here. they are not ready to hand the ball over to williams just yet, so to save cap room, they give him his money in bonus to lower his salary for the years cap. next year though, they owe him nothing and could cut him or do what they did this year and restructure again. i think the panthers want williams to be the featured back. foster is in a way like jones was in chicago. they had benson and wanted him to be the future, but benson did not show much his rookie year so they kept jones another year to make sure that benson was indeed the man.