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Parsons traded to Green Bay (2 Viewers)

I get slammed for criticizing Brad here in Detroit and on these boards, but trading for Parsons (or the like) are Super Bowl winning moves.

Parsons made a good defense elite. Two good wins against playoff teams from a year ago.
 
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I get slammed for criticizing Brad here in Detroit and on these boards, but trading for Parsons (or the like) are Super Bowl winning moves.

Parsons made a good defense elite. Two good wins against playoff teams from a year ago.
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The games weren't even close. Detroit and Wash scored some garbage time TDs when the game was over. If the offense capitalized more the game could've been over at halftime. There's a lot of time between now and December but GB certainly looking like the team to beat in the NFC.
 
Tunsil is a former All-Pro pass blocker and still very good and Parsons was winning that fight most of the night last night. Truly disruptive.
 
There was that team defense EPA stat that showed the Cowboys defense #1 in the league when Micah was on the field during his tenure there and an eye-popping #32 when he wasn't. This seems to be a guy that elevates everyone else when he's on the field. Crazy to let him get away at age 26.
 
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There was that team defense EPA stat that showed the Cowboys defense #1 in the league when Micah was on the field during his tenure there and an eye-popping #32 when he wasn't. This seems to be a guy that elevates everyone else when he's on the field. Crazy to let him get away at age 26.
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He is such a game-changer. I love how it highlights the dysfunction within the Cowboys.
 
There still seems to be some coping around what this means for the hierarchy of the NFC. Slowly seeing the other fan bases trying to come to terms is the chef's kiss cherry on top.
Parsons is the centerpiece, but maybe him getting all the attention is keeping people from seeing the forest for the trees. As mentioned above he elevates everyone around him and all that first round talent is coming into their own. There's not enough thank you's for Jerry. He helped unlock a very elite D.
 
i remember the day we got reggie telling all my buddies that he was a game changer and will make everyone else on the d better and i said the same thing when micah game to green bay and boy oh boy am i happy to get to see two all time greats like this play for the green and gold what a great thing so thankful he is here and seems to be liking it take that to the bank brohans
 
and one more thing how great is it when you are micah parsons and you come to green bay and realize that the fans here are intelligent football fans who know the game respect the game and have seen all time greats and that those same fans think you are one of the best and love you man i hope that every game the fans keep on chanting his name and cheering like crazy for him because i want him to retire as a packer take that to the bank brochachos
 
SWC said:
and one more thing how great is it when you are micah parsons and you come to green bay and realize that the fans here are intelligent football fans who know the game respect the game and have seen all time greats and that those same fans think you are one of the best and love you man i hope that every game the fans keep on chanting his name and cheering like crazy for him because i want him to retire as a packer take that to the bank brochachos
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To be fair, Dallas fans were chanting his name all camp trying to sway their management to sign him.

Re-evaluating that trade after a couple weeks, I feel confident that the Packers did the right thing. It was clearly something they felt they had to do to become championship caliber. Sure, the cost was high. After crushing the skins and lions, it seems like it was worth every penny.

Poor Dallas fans, though. They knew what they had. I don’t see how anyone can defend what ownership did here.
 
oldmanhawkins said:
SWC said:
and one more thing how great is it when you are micah parsons and you come to green bay and realize that the fans here are intelligent football fans who know the game respect the game and have seen all time greats and that those same fans think you are one of the best and love you man i hope that every game the fans keep on chanting his name and cheering like crazy for him because i want him to retire as a packer take that to the bank brochachos
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To be fair, Dallas fans were chanting his name all camp trying to sway their management to sign him.

Re-evaluating that trade after a couple weeks, I feel confident that the Packers did the right thing. It was clearly something they felt they had to do to become championship caliber. Sure, the cost was high. After crushing the skins and lions, it seems like it was worth every penny.

Poor Dallas fans, though. They knew what they had. I don’t see how anyone can defend what ownership did here.
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Dallas was always going to be stuck the minute they signed mediocre Dak Prescott to a giant deal. It all flowed from that bad decision.
 
oldmanhawkins said:
SWC said:
and one more thing how great is it when you are micah parsons and you come to green bay and realize that the fans here are intelligent football fans who know the game respect the game and have seen all time greats and that those same fans think you are one of the best and love you man i hope that every game the fans keep on chanting his name and cheering like crazy for him because i want him to retire as a packer take that to the bank brochachos
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To be fair, Dallas fans were chanting his name all camp trying to sway their management to sign him.

Re-evaluating that trade after a couple weeks, I feel confident that the Packers did the right thing. It was clearly something they felt they had to do to become championship caliber. Sure, the cost was high. After crushing the skins and lions, it seems like it was worth every penny.

Poor Dallas fans, though. They knew what they had. I don’t see how anyone can defend what ownership did here.
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Definitely worth every penny. It was glaring last year that lack of a pass rush was holding this team back. They were never taking the next step being unable to get pressure on Goff and the like. Trade swung that defect into oblivion.

Now the cost was high, but to reiterate this is the youngest team in the leage, could afford the cost, and the draft capital considering the age and depth of the team made that expendable aswell. They weren't drafting a Parsons type player to produce anywhere near that level in the window they have. The time is now and the naysayers are seeing what we saw, the window is open to win now.
 
I’m just a casual fan who plays FF at the end of the day, but I am not sure if I would have paid this guy 47M in terms of the salary cap. He was a non factor tonight…Dallas game planned around him the entire night and Green Bay is pretty weak in the secondary. And the cowboys are not even really good…
 
dblock05 said:
I’m just a casual fan who plays FF at the end of the day, but I am not sure if I would have paid this guy 47M in terms of the salary cap. He was a non factor tonight…Dallas game planned around him the entire night and Green Bay is pretty weak in the secondary. And the cowboys are not even really good…
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I’m sure all of the posters that were laughing their assess off in here after the trade still feel the same way , right?
 
dblock05 said:
I’m just a casual fan who plays FF at the end of the day, but I am not sure if I would have paid this guy 47M in terms of the salary cap. He was a non factor tonight…Dallas game planned around him the entire night and Green Bay is pretty weak in the secondary. And the cowboys are not even really good…
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Honestly he looks out of shape to me
 
Parsons is good but in reality, Jones did the right thing in trading him.

Also GB should fire LaFluer. Totally butchered the halftime clock and end of game clock, dumbest guy in the room.
 
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dblock05 said:
I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?
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He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.
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Andrew Brandt did a good segment on Cash over Cap a couple of years ago on McAfee's show, breaking it down. https://youtu.be/Gqb1bTSIfHs?si=pUHUP1lQdDQBlWM7

The very popular site OverTheCap breaks it down by year. https://overthecap.com/cash-spending

And as you can see, it changes year to year.

Looking at the data and actual numbers on https://overthecap.com/cash-spending, I don't have the same takeaway that you do that the Cowboys are no longer spending money over the cap.

And certainly, based on the actual numbers, I don't have the same takeaway that they don't care about winning. We'll disagree there. But thanks for sharing your opinion. Different takes are what makes the game fun.
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Those links don’t seem to work but I’ve seen Spotrac and Overthecap’s cash numbers and I have no idea how they are calculating them because they are incorrect.

Here is a good breakdown using figures provided by the NFLPA: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...hen-jones-family-cash-spend-prorate-contracts

There are a number of twitter accounts that have monitored it as well. Joey Ickes is the best I’ve found. He’s a financial analyst who is a Cowboys fan and has done a great job tracking it.

It’s not an opinion. The Cowboys have become one of the cheapest teams in the league in terms of cash outlay and have been for some time.
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The link from OverTheCap isn't working for you?

Cash Spending | Over the Cap

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates
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It's working for me.

You're saying Over The Cap is wrong?
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Correct. The info I shared is straight from the NFLPA. It’s been well chronicled.
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Thanks. That's interesting. The info you shared was a 2024 blog post from "one cool customer". I'm not saying your blogger is wrong. But I have always put stock in Over The Cap's numbers and I know many do. I will see what more I can find there.

I don't know if there's a tracking for overall spending in the business but I'd be interested in the finances on how teams spend overall also including Facilities and Stadium.

I realize others may not agree, but I factor that as well when I say whether a team is "under investing".
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Did you read it? He cites the NFLPA and includes direct links to the NFLPA twitter account.
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Yes, I read it. The NFLPA Twitter post he cited was from 2016.

It's interesting, and I'm not saying the blogger is wrong. But I have always put stock in Over The Cap's numbers and I know many do. I will see what more I can find there. Thanks.
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Then you clearly missed something because the NFLPA links directly to info for 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2021, 2022, and 2023. The other years relies on Jason LaCanfora reporting, which is also linked.
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Thanks. Always possible. I'll continue to look. I've got a call into Over The Cap to see more on their end. I know they'll be interested to hear people think their numbers are incorrect. Thanks for the feedback.
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Here’s a great source revealing why Jerry Jones isn’t so concerned with the Cowboys success: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ies-to-something-more-lucrative-than-football

Spoiler: The source is Jerry Jones.
 
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