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Pass me some of whatever Dodds is smoking (1 Viewer)
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
well... McNabb showed us GB weakness and did so well against them... oh wait.
Flexmaster
Footballguy
Ill take a QP of the KB and a double order of fries! 
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
agree 100%. im starting to think the prelim cheatsheets are like the bogus top 200 they put out in the preseason.
i guess someone will make the argument that they threw all over dallas or whatever. but i would like someone to tell me they would honestly put him in their starting lineup over cutler vs Oak, delhomme vs Hou, leainart vs sea, hass at ari, Vince vs indy.. at a minimum.
i guess someone will make the argument that they threw all over dallas or whatever. but i would like someone to tell me they would honestly put him in their starting lineup over cutler vs Oak, delhomme vs Hou, leainart vs sea, hass at ari, Vince vs indy.. at a minimum.
I would but then again I actually follow the Giants and watch their games. Hefty Lefty has done nothing to make ya think he won't do well on Sunday in the limitted time he's played in preseason the last couple years. Like Cassell of the Pats for example, everyone seems to love that guy but we have nothing but exhibition games to go by. I can certainly hear the argument that he's inexperienced and project negative stats due to that...that's fine and makes sense. However, personally, I think he'll do pretty well.There's alot of pamperring and changing/minimizing the offense for the youngsters and all that jazz with some QBs you mentioned. Lorenzen's gonna fire it and start thinking about the next play. For FF, this is so much better. Further he is a guy the team rallies around. He's a QB that actually gets out there and throws his shoulders around (blocks) when he can. He can take a hit. Teammates often root for backups to do well. He's got alot going for him in the team morale/attitude part of this.
Uncle Harry
Footballguy
Lorenzen is going to change the position.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
He'll be very valuable in leagues that count cheeseburgers eaten
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
Agreed. Granted they were average last season, but they look pretty solid to me. Woodson and Harris make for a strong veteran CB duo. Combine that with a nice pass rush and you've got a team that's going to be tough to throw against.Considering this to be a solid defense makes the Lorenzen ranking even more curious though.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Charles Woodson and Al Harris are marginal....?
I think he might be referring to the safetiesCharles Woodson and Al Harris are marginal....?
redman
Footballguy
. . . Eeyore?
Mik789fl
Footballguy
So then the 'Boys stats were inflated also against a horrible Giants secondary. But isn't that what we all want every week?
culdeus
Footballguy
Jesus, you guys split more hairs over here. Marginal = average to below average. Certainly much better than Dallas which is bottom 5. GB is in the 15-20 range IMO if not better.I think he might be referring to the safetiesCharles Woodson and Al Harris are marginal....?
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
With those two corners I'd like to see your list for 1-20 then.Jesus, you guys split more hairs over here. Marginal = average to below average. Certainly much better than Dallas which is bottom 5. GB is in the 15-20 range IMO if not better.I think he might be referring to the safetiesCharles Woodson and Al Harris are marginal....?
culdeus
Footballguy
Who cares about the Cowboys?
culdeus
Footballguy
Either way you are arguing my point, but moreso. A higher secondary ranking from you should = worse for this guy. The only guy I like to have a higher PPG from the Giants passing game is Plax/Shockey as backup qbs lock on to WR1/TE1. Then again those guys aren't on the wire in 100% of leagues.With those two corners I'd like to see your list for 1-20 then.Jesus, you guys split more hairs over here. Marginal = average to below average. Certainly much better than Dallas which is bottom 5. GB is in the 15-20 range IMO if not better.I think he might be referring to the safetiesCharles Woodson and Al Harris are marginal....?
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
Not so. You said Philly against a marginal secondary. If I think Philly's passing game sucks (which I do fantasy wise) and the Giants is great (and it sure was against the Cowboys) then I may conclude that this guy is a sure thing.So, accuracy in reporting matters.Either way you are arguing my point, but moreso. A higher secondary ranking from you should = worse for this guy. The only guy I like to have a higher PPG from the Giants passing game is Plax/Shockey as backup qbs lock on to WR1/TE1. Then again those guys aren't on the wire in 100% of leagues.With those two corners I'd like to see your list for 1-20 then.Jesus, you guys split more hairs over here. Marginal = average to below average. Certainly much better than Dallas which is bottom 5. GB is in the 15-20 range IMO if not better.I think he might be referring to the safetiesCharles Woodson and Al Harris are marginal....?
Aaronstory
Footballguy
That play was hilarious.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
[inhales deeply]
Here.
[exhales slowly]
Here.
[exhales slowly]
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WampusCat43
Footballguy
Predictions (having seen all his college games):
5 sacks
2 LBs made to look silly on attempted sacks
3 rushing attempts: 1, 0, -1
3 INTs
1 long, beautiful TD pass to Burress.
5 sacks
2 LBs made to look silly on attempted sacks
3 rushing attempts: 1, 0, -1
3 INTs
1 long, beautiful TD pass to Burress.
Curado Kev
Footballguy
Man , some of you must not be here much at the pool 
Joe has said OVER AND OVER AND OVER......
If it was up to him they would NOT put up prelim but people WHINED AND WHINED...
So cut with the grief on the FBG crew and blame the idiots who set their line-ups on Tuesday night
Unbelievable,
Ckev
Joe has said OVER AND OVER AND OVER......
If it was up to him they would NOT put up prelim but people WHINED AND WHINED...
So cut with the grief on the FBG crew and blame the idiots who set their line-ups on Tuesday night
Unbelievable,
Ckev
Pocket Joker
Footballguy
Maybe he's trying to trade him in a league?
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
goldenchild
Footballguy
But the guy is surprisingly quick for a guy that big:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Marginal? How so?
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Wrong.
Stunt Rock
Footballguy
The Hamburgler.
elpasotexan
Footballguy
Or in a league with 32 teams and one pool of players.
Baron Samedi
Footballguy
Byron Sandwich
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Again, wrong.Not everyone drafts two very good starting quarterbacks. They use their resources elsewhere, and develop an overall better team.So, Lorenzen might be a spot start this week for a Manning owner. Doesn't mean his team sucks.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
See Post #19.(He still hasn't explained how Harris and Woodson are 'marginal')
kutta
Footballguy
Why does it matter if it is preliminary or "real?"Man , some of you must not be here much at the poolJoe has said OVER AND OVER AND OVER......
If it was up to him they would NOT put up prelim but people WHINED AND WHINED... So cut with the grief on the FBG crew and blame the idiots who set their line-ups on Tuesday night
Unbelievable, Ckev
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I don't think Harris and Woodson have the speed anymore to take away the deep routes in 1-on-1 coverage. As such, a good scheme can pass on the Pack w/ great success. Woodson has been overrated for years.Anyway, regarding the ranking: I can't speak for David but...1. The Cheatsheets change a lot before kickoff. Furthermore, they are to be used as a guide and not the end-all, be-all. We are trying to offer perspective on things that might not be apparent to everyone. 2. Would I start Lorenzen over Vince Young or Jay Cutler? Probably not. But if I drafted Eli and Leftwich as my QBs and found myself up a creek, he'd BY FAR be the waiver-wire guy I'd be bidding on this week. 3. David is very good at this. Perfect? No, of course not. But very good. Multiple times a week he hits and suggests starting a player that you might consider leaving on your bench and he knocks it out of the park. Week 1 - Ronald Curry at WR22. I'm sure a lot of folks were hesitant in starting Curry. I'm sure those that did were pleased.4. Discussion like this in this thread is worth as much as any individual opinion or cheatsheet. If you guys want to talk Lorenzen and Green Bay D, etc. I'm sure we'll unearth some solid info that will be much appreciated come kickoff.
elpasotexan
Footballguy
I know. I'm that team with no starting QB. QBs are at a premium in a 32 team league. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Lorenzen is a godsend.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
...Kobayashi ?-QG
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Whoa, I thought you were just trying to screw with me.Heh. 32 teams? Solid.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
That's awesome video. One thing's for sure, I actually might watch some Giants football with Lorenzen back there - much more entertaining
But the guy is surprisingly quick for a guy that big:
-QG
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Or in a 2-QB starter league and Eli was your QB2.Or in a league allowing QB flex.Or in a regular old league where you waited a long time for QBs and don't like your QB2's matchup.
Kirby
Footballguy
I was sure he was going to flatten someone and get the first...
But the guy is surprisingly quick for a guy that big:
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Yeah, because if there's one thing Andy Reid doesn't have, it's a good offensive scheme...
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