Pass me some of whatever Dodds is smoking (1 Viewer)

[ScoobyDoo]

I think there is some massive underestimation of the Packer's Defense going on here today. I also think Woodson has probably figured things out and is going to have a great year.

I don't think this QB is a play even if it is Eli.

 

[Colin Dowling]

NYG had inflated stats last week versus a horrible Dallas secondary.PHI had horrible passing stats versus a marginal GB secondaryThis guy has completed exactly one pass in the NFL. This alone should get a 25+ ranking.

Marginal? How so?

See Post #19.(He still hasn't explained how Harris and Woodson are 'marginal')

As such, a good scheme can pass on the Pack w/ great success.

Yeah, because if there's one thing Andy Reid doesn't have, it's a good offensive scheme...

What did you see Sunday that made you think the Eagles - who have new contributors at WR and a QB that isn't 100% - have a good offensive scheme?

 

[Liquid Tension]

agree 100%. im starting to think the prelim cheatsheets are like the bogus top 200 they put out in the preseason. i guess someone will make the argument that they threw all over dallas or whatever. but i would like someone to tell me they would honestly put him in their starting lineup over cutler vs Oak, delhomme vs Hou, leainart vs sea, hass at ari, Vince vs indy.. at a minimum.

I would but then again I actually follow the Giants and watch their games. Hefty Lefty has done nothing to make ya think he won't do well on Sunday in the limitted time he's played in preseason the last couple years. Like Cassell of the Pats for example, everyone seems to love that guy but we have nothing but exhibition games to go by. I can certainly hear the argument that he's inexperienced and project negative stats due to that...that's fine and makes sense. However, personally, I think he'll do pretty well.There's alot of pamperring and changing/minimizing the offense for the youngsters and all that jazz with some QBs you mentioned. Lorenzen's gonna fire it and start thinking about the next play. For FF, this is so much better. Further he is a guy the team rallies around. He's a QB that actually gets out there and throws his shoulders around (blocks) when he can. He can take a hit. Teammates often root for backups to do well. He's got alot going for him in the team morale/attitude part of this.

Giant fan who likes Lorenzon, but does not think he is very good. As for throwing his weight around, what the heck was he doing on the 4th down play against Dallas? He wimped out! The guy is big and can run, but really does not show accuracy to go along with his good arm strength. I don't think he is very good.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I believe Alex Smith was a top 5 QB on last weeks first cheat sheet. Kind of sealed my fate on what I think of these. Maybe if I'm really torn I'll use it a tiebreaker if there's a wicked discrepency, but otherwise, I make out my lineup, not Dodds and I urge you to do the same.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I believe Alex Smith was a top 5 QB on last weeks first cheat sheet. Kind of sealed my fate on what I think of these. Maybe if I'm really torn I'll use it a tiebreaker if there's a wicked discrepency, but otherwise, I make out my lineup, not Dodds and I urge you to do the same.

He was 15th. I just looked.

 

[Aaronstory]

NYG had inflated stats last week versus a horrible Dallas secondary.PHI had horrible passing stats versus a marginal GB secondaryThis guy has completed exactly one pass in the NFL. This alone should get a 25+ ranking.

Marginal? How so?

See Post #19.(He still hasn't explained how Harris and Woodson are 'marginal')

As such, a good scheme can pass on the Pack w/ great success.

Yeah, because if there's one thing Andy Reid doesn't have, it's a good offensive scheme...

What did you see Sunday that made you think the Eagles - who have new contributors at WR and a QB that isn't 100% - have a good offensive scheme?

I saw Andy Reid was still their head coach - or did he just rip up his playbook and start over because they had one new WR? Or are you telling me Reid has never had a good offensive scheme? I saw a defense that took away most of what Philadelphia was trying to do - a Philadelphia team that up until this season has just OWNED the Packers.And I love the "QB that isn't 100%" stuff, seeing as how all preseason all we kept hearing was how great he looked (This isn't aimed directly at you obviously, just think it's funny)People need to realize - the Packers defense is legit.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I saw Andy Reid was still their head coach - or did he just rip up his playbook and start over because they had one new WR? Or are you telling me Reid has never had a good offensive scheme? I saw a defense that took away most of what Philadelphia was trying to do - a Philadelphia team that up until this season has just OWNED the Packers.

Last season doesn't matter. Reid is an excellent coach, but I think that the Eagles offense will suffer this season because they lack (IMO) a true deep threat for the first time in a while and McNabb is hurt.

And I love the "QB that isn't 100%" stuff, seeing as how all preseason all we kept hearing was how great he looked (This isn't aimed directly at you obviously, just think it's funny)

Looking good and executing on Sunday are different things. With VERY few notable exceptions, ACLs take 1.5 years to heal. McNabb is not going to be very good this season.

People need to realize - the Packers defense is legit.

I'm not arguing with that. I'm simply saying that I think Harris and Woodson are overrated and they can be passed on. LJ Smith, Curtis, Brown, etc. are nice enough I guess, but I think Shockey, Burress, and Toomer are noticably better.

 

[packersfan]

I'm not arguing with that. I'm simply saying that I think Harris and Woodson are overrated and they can be passed on. LJ Smith, Curtis, Brown, etc. are nice enough I guess, but I think Shockey, Burress, and Toomer are noticably better.

I wouldn't dispute that. However, I'd add that Westbrook is MUCH better than any skill-position player the Giants have and McNabb is MUCH better than Lorenzen. Every game is different and a lot of times they don't go as expected (see shootout Week 1 Indy vs. New Orleans) but on paper this game strongly favors the Packers' D in my opinion if Manning doesn't play.

 

[Aaronstory]

I saw Andy Reid was still their head coach - or did he just rip up his playbook and start over because they had one new WR? Or are you telling me Reid has never had a good offensive scheme? I saw a defense that took away most of what Philadelphia was trying to do - a Philadelphia team that up until this season has just OWNED the Packers.

Last season doesn't matter. Reid is an excellent coach, but I think that the Eagles offense will suffer this season because they lack (IMO) a true deep threat for the first time in a while and McNabb is hurt.

And I love the "QB that isn't 100%" stuff, seeing as how all preseason all we kept hearing was how great he looked (This isn't aimed directly at you obviously, just think it's funny)

Looking good and executing on Sunday are different things. With VERY few notable exceptions, ACLs take 1.5 years to heal. McNabb is not going to be very good this season.

People need to realize - the Packers defense is legit.

I'm not arguing with that. I'm simply saying that I think Harris and Woodson are overrated and they can be passed on. LJ Smith, Curtis, Brown, etc. are nice enough I guess, but I think Shockey, Burress, and Toomer are noticably better.

You do realize you are completely contradicting your earlier statement, yes? Earlier, you said all a team needed was a good offensive scheme to pass on the Packers. Now you are saying they need superior (in your estimation) talent. Which is it?And as for 'Last season doesn't matter' - I think Andy Reid has more than one season of offensive excellence under his belt, no? I seem to recall his teams going to several NFC Championships and even a Super Bowl. Those teams had pretty good offenses, no?

 

[Colin Dowling]

You do realize you are completely contradicting your earlier statement, yes? Earlier, you said all a team needed was a good offensive scheme to pass on the Packers. Now you are saying they need superior (in your estimation) talent. Which is it?

No, I'm saying the Giants HAVE superior offensive talent. And I'm saying a good offensive scheme can pass on the Packers. I fail to see how the tow are related except in so much as perhaps the Eagles scheme wasn't "good" due to a lack of talent, cohesion, health, or a mixture of all three.

And as for 'Last season doesn't matter' - I think Andy Reid has more than one season of offensive excellence under his belt, no? I seem to recall his teams going to several NFC Championships and even a Super Bowl. Those teams had pretty good offenses, no?

Those teams had top-third offenses, yes. Which has nothing to do with this team. Good teams go bad, bad teams get good, every season is it's own entity...."that's why they play the games."

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I believe Alex Smith was a top 5 QB on last weeks first cheat sheet. Kind of sealed my fate on what I think of these. Maybe if I'm really torn I'll use it a tiebreaker if there's a wicked discrepency, but otherwise, I make out my lineup, not Dodds and I urge you to do the same.

He was 15th. I just looked.

the first sheet? is that availble anywhere?

 

[G-Money]

Must be figuring Lorenzen will get all the goal line carries...........................

 

[Aaronstory]

You do realize you are completely contradicting your earlier statement, yes? Earlier, you said all a team needed was a good offensive scheme to pass on the Packers. Now you are saying they need superior (in your estimation) talent. Which is it?

No, I'm saying the Giants HAVE superior offensive talent. And I'm saying a good offensive scheme can pass on the Packers. I fail to see how the tow are related except in so much as perhaps the Eagles scheme wasn't "good" due to a lack of talent, cohesion, health, or a mixture of all three.

And as for 'Last season doesn't matter' - I think Andy Reid has more than one season of offensive excellence under his belt, no? I seem to recall his teams going to several NFC Championships and even a Super Bowl. Those teams had pretty good offenses, no?

Those teams had top-third offenses, yes. Which has nothing to do with this team. Good teams go bad, bad teams get good, every season is it's own entity...."that's why they play the games."

We will have to agree to disagree as you keep going back over yourself...But you're right. That's why they play the games. And the Packers won it.

 

[reg]

I saw Andy Reid was still their head coach - or did he just rip up his playbook and start over because they had one new WR? Or are you telling me Reid has never had a good offensive scheme? I saw a defense that took away most of what Philadelphia was trying to do - a Philadelphia team that up until this season has just OWNED the Packers.

Last season doesn't matter. Reid is an excellent coach, but I think that the Eagles offense will suffer this season because they lack (IMO) a true deep threat for the first time in a while and McNabb is hurt.

i think they miss childress...

 

[Colin Dowling]

You do realize you are completely contradicting your earlier statement, yes? Earlier, you said all a team needed was a good offensive scheme to pass on the Packers. Now you are saying they need superior (in your estimation) talent. Which is it?

No, I'm saying the Giants HAVE superior offensive talent. And I'm saying a good offensive scheme can pass on the Packers. I fail to see how the tow are related except in so much as perhaps the Eagles scheme wasn't "good" due to a lack of talent, cohesion, health, or a mixture of all three.

And as for 'Last season doesn't matter' - I think Andy Reid has more than one season of offensive excellence under his belt, no? I seem to recall his teams going to several NFC Championships and even a Super Bowl. Those teams had pretty good offenses, no?

Those teams had top-third offenses, yes. Which has nothing to do with this team. Good teams go bad, bad teams get good, every season is it's own entity...."that's why they play the games."

We will have to agree to disagree as you keep going back over yourself...But you're right. That's why they play the games. And the Packers won it.

We can agree to disagree, but at no point have I gone "back over myself" or contradicted a prior statement in this thread.1. The Giants have more skill-pos talent at TE and WR then the Eagles.2. McNabb is not healthy.3. The Eagles offense was not good on Sunday4. Opinion: a good offensive scheme can pass on the Packers5. Harris and Woodson are overratedWhich statements contradict each other?

 

[packersfan]

3. The Eagles offense was not good on Sunday

At the risk of sounding like a homer, the Packers' D had a little something to do with that.As far as Harris and Woodson being overrated, Roy Williams says Harris is the toughest CB he has ever faced. Just one WR's opinion, of course.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I saw Andy Reid was still their head coach - or did he just rip up his playbook and start over because they had one new WR? Or are you telling me Reid has never had a good offensive scheme? I saw a defense that took away most of what Philadelphia was trying to do - a Philadelphia team that up until this season has just OWNED the Packers.

Last season doesn't matter. Reid is an excellent coach, but I think that the Eagles offense will suffer this season because they lack (IMO) a true deep threat for the first time in a while and McNabb is hurt.

i think they miss childress...

 

[Colin Dowling]

3. The Eagles offense was not good on Sunday

At the risk of sounding like a homer, the Packers' D had a little something to do with that.As far as Harris and Woodson being overrated, Roy Williams says Harris is the toughest CB he has ever faced. Just one WR's opinion, of course.

Agreed. They did have something to do with it.

 

[Aaronstory]

You do realize you are completely contradicting your earlier statement, yes? Earlier, you said all a team needed was a good offensive scheme to pass on the Packers. Now you are saying they need superior (in your estimation) talent. Which is it?

No, I'm saying the Giants HAVE superior offensive talent. And I'm saying a good offensive scheme can pass on the Packers. I fail to see how the tow are related except in so much as perhaps the Eagles scheme wasn't "good" due to a lack of talent, cohesion, health, or a mixture of all three.

And as for 'Last season doesn't matter' - I think Andy Reid has more than one season of offensive excellence under his belt, no? I seem to recall his teams going to several NFC Championships and even a Super Bowl. Those teams had pretty good offenses, no?

Those teams had top-third offenses, yes. Which has nothing to do with this team. Good teams go bad, bad teams get good, every season is it's own entity...."that's why they play the games."

We will have to agree to disagree as you keep going back over yourself...But you're right. That's why they play the games. And the Packers won it.

We can agree to disagree, but at no point have I gone "back over myself" or contradicted a prior statement in this thread.1. The Giants have more skill-pos talent at TE and WR then the Eagles.

2. McNabb is not healthy.

3. The Eagles offense was not good on Sunday

4. Opinion: a good offensive scheme can pass on the Packers

5. Harris and Woodson are overrated

Which statements contradict each other?

Your original statement -I don't think Harris and Woodson have the speed anymore to take away the deep routes in 1-on-1 coverage. As such, a good scheme can pass on the Pack w/ great success. Woodson has been overrated for years.

I point out that, actually, Reid has a pretty 'good scheme' and still the Packers stopped it.

Your came up with -

I'm simply saying that I think Harris and Woodson are overrated and they can be passed on. LJ Smith, Curtis, Brown, etc. are nice enough I guess, but I think Shockey, Burress, and Toomer are noticably better.

Your first statement implies that with a "good offensive scheme" a team should be able to pass all over the Packers. Yet, when I questioned the validity of that statement, you reached for the fact that the Giants have superior talent to the Eagles and should have greater success because of it.

I guess our biggest difference comes with our evaluation of this years' Eagles team. Is it a different team than years past? Of course. That doesn't change their offensive philosophy or the schemes they run. They are still running the same offense, an offense that has been successful for any number of years. Your first statement implies that you can stick any NFL caliber talent into a "good scheme" and pass on the Packers. I think the Packers defensive performance on Sunday disproves that statement.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I guess our biggest difference comes with our evaluation of this years' Eagles team. Is it a different team than years past? Of course. That doesn't change their offensive philosophy or the schemes they run. They are still running the same offense, an offense that has been successful for any number of years. Your first statement implies that you can stick any NFL caliber talent into a "good scheme" and pass on the Packers. I think the Packers defensive performance on Sunday disproves that statement.

Agreed. I think the Eagles will be a let down this season.

I point out that, actually, Reid has a pretty 'good scheme' and still the Packers stopped it.

HIstorically, yes.

I think the Packers defensive performance on Sunday disproves that statement.

The Packers played a good game. I think they have a good defense, but I think they lack the speed at CB to stop the deep pass week in and week out.

 

[Aaronstory]

I guess our biggest difference comes with our evaluation of this years' Eagles team. Is it a different team than years past? Of course. That doesn't change their offensive philosophy or the schemes they run. They are still running the same offense, an offense that has been successful for any number of years. Your first statement implies that you can stick any NFL caliber talent into a "good scheme" and pass on the Packers. I think the Packers defensive performance on Sunday disproves that statement.

Agreed. I think the Eagles will be a let down this season.

I point out that, actually, Reid has a pretty 'good scheme' and still the Packers stopped it.

HIstorically, yes.

I think the Packers defensive performance on Sunday disproves that statement.

The Packers played a good game. I think they have a good defense, but I think they lack the speed at CB to stop the deep pass week in and week out.

Let's go get a beer.

 

[packersfan]

The Packers played a good game. I think they have a good defense, but I think they lack the speed at CB to stop the deep pass week in and week out.

Which could be offset by an aggressive pass rush. That was one of the keys to beating the Eagles. The Packers put pressure on McNabb and prevented him from getting a lot of time to get set and fire downfield. It's a stretch, in my opinion, to believe Lorenzen can fare any better given how he isn't anywhere near the QB McNabb is.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

its hard to admit mistakes, esp in FF for some reason, but from what I got to see of the Eagles game, they indeed looked very out of synch. Maybe its just one game (it is). Maybe its Packers D (it was). But something doesn’t smell right about the eagles. I loaded up to..got the McNabb/Westy combo.

 

[greyone]

this thread sure has strayed from the topic.

I can see why Lorenzen is ranked so high above culter, delhomme, rex,mcnair, leinart, garcia. Once Dodds finalizes his numbers i see him dropping 2-3 spots behind culter and delhomme.

NYG will be passing alot, whether they are behind or ahead. More than likely wright will be chasing the scoreboard and airing it out.

GB rush defense looked good on Sunday or at least better than the pass defense. Offenses attack weakness. Not that GB is weak in the secondary with Harris and Woodson, but the Rush D is stronger.

Simple. Sometimes real-life football IQ , throws off your fantasy IQ.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I use Dodds rankings, and no one elses.

Maybe I haven't great like some of you.

But I don't see you put down your, each and every week.

I will continue to use Mr.Dodds rankings until someone proves to me, His are worthless.

Again staff keep up the great job.

 

[Nate]

I use Dodds rankings, and no one elses.

Maybe I haven't great like some of you.

But I don't see you put down your, each and every week.

I will continue to use Mr.Dodds rankings until someone proves to me, His are worthless.

Again staff keep up the great job.

My head hurts.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I use Dodds rankings, and no one elses.

Maybe I haven't great like some of you.

But I don't see you put down your, each and every week.

I will continue to use Mr.Dodds rankings until someone proves to me, His are worthless.

Again staff keep up the great job.

My head hurts. Me hurt head.

Fixed.

 

[pack66]

As another Packer's homer, I'll say that the defense looks above average this year. I'm not ready to anoint them the second coming, but with Bigby replacing Manuel (who was terrible last year) and Will Blackmon healthy (plus the emergence of Jarrett Bush) they look pretty good. Woodson went down during the game and that caused Kevin Curtis' one long reception. Harris came back in the game with sleeve on his elbow. Other than that the CBs were solid. Harris has average speed. That being said, Harris has excellent bump and run skills which allows him to play well in this scheme. His injury could affect his game, but he did alright when he came back.

I liked Lorenzen coming out of college. I think he'll do ok, but I like our D. Should be an interesting game. As for Shockey...well I think he's overrated. Nick Barnett and AJ Hawk are pretty good and I think they'll do alright against him. For what it's worth, the Pack traded a pick for a Giants RB before the start of the season. Don't think that affects things too much, but you never know.

 

[JHuber77]

With his size, they should move the Hefty Lefty to the defensive line and play iron man football. They couldn't do any worse than they already have now IMO.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I love Jared Lorenzen. When I was in college, we had a Lorenzen jersey framed along with a bag of Doritos. How can you not like J-Load. This dude is all that and a bag of chips.

 

[mdog1967]

Schtick right?

Almost as bad as the projections from bloom for all San Fran Players this week. The Rams have zero Defense and were getting "O" projections like the 49rs are playing the Ravens/Bears this weekend. If Your right this week Bloom I'll give you a big .

 

[mdog1967]

I use Dodds rankings, and no one elses.Maybe I haven't great like some of you.But I don't see you put down your, each and every week.I will continue to use Mr.Dodds rankings until someone proves to me, His are worthless.Again staff keep up the great job.

Its what your paying Footballguys for, projections and information. Dodds good, by like all of us he gets it wrong from time to time. I think he would tell you his Rankings are a tool. You still have to decide for yourself. The great thing about the week to week rankings are they submit a counter rankings/projections from another staff member.

 

[Bri]

bump for Joe B

 

[mdog1967]

agree 100%. im starting to think the prelim cheatsheets are like the bogus top 200 they put out in the preseason. i guess someone will make the argument that they threw all over dallas or whatever. but i would like someone to tell me they would honestly put him in their starting lineup over cutler vs Oak, delhomme vs Hou, leainart vs sea, hass at ari, Vince vs indy.. at a minimum.

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