Patriots are now a Dynasty (2 Viewers)

[The Commish]

Did I miss something?? Why isn't Colin allowed to have his own opinion? It's clear that the term "dynasty" is overused. I think we can all agree on that. With that overuse, there come many many many different interpretations, definitions etc. It's clear to me that Colin simply has a higher standard to which he holds the term "dynasty". One of those requirements being the team in question needs to make the playoffs each year of their run. That doesn't seem like much to ask. Is he discounting all the things the Patriots have done? I haven't seen that. Patriot fans, you need to be confident enough in yourselves and your team to believe what you want and say "who cares what xxx thinks". You aren't going to change Colin's mind by insulting him. The only thing you are doing is making yourselves look foolish.....calling a person names because they disagree with you.....that's stuff I remember from first grade. Good grief!!!

Again, I think I posted this on page 2, how is the term Dynasty overused when it comes to the NFL? There have been 4 recognized Dynasties in the past 45 years.Packers 60'sSteelers 70's49ers 80'sCowboys 90'sI dont find that to be overuse. Miami of the early 70's was close. 3 straight Super Bowls including an undefeated season. Only won 2 Bowls, not qute a Dynasty.I think Bob Ryan is just using schtick. You can break out Websters all you want but we all know that there is a different definition of Dynasty in the NFL. Dominance over an extended period of time. Winning 3 SB's in 4 years is dominance over an extended period of time.If you want to basically say that there has never been a Dynasty in the NFL, fine, take that stance.However, I didnt see our friend Collin denouncing any of the above so-called Dynasties. He simply said that he didnt think the Pats measured up to the other teams.Collin is entitled to his opinion. The rest of the board is also entitled to call him on it and let him know that we think it is an idiotic opinion.Its nice of you (Wood) to try and come to his rescue but if you really believe there are no true Dynasties in the history of the NFL, it kind of makes the discussion of NFL history a little more boring.

This is a good point....within the confines of the NFL, it really isn't overused. BUT...our lovely media muddies the waters and starts comparing runs in the NFL to that in MLB or NBA etc....and really screws things up. THAT is what I am talking about. The media does a very poor job differentiating between the sports for the average fan. If you listen to our media and our media only, they'll have you believing what the Tiger Woods has accomplished on the golf course is right up there with what the Pats have done and they are NOTHING in the same. That was my point about dynasty being overused.With that said.....Colin says that all those teams were great and this Pats team is great, the difference being those other teams didn't miss playoff spots during their run. In his view, you need to be in the playofs all the while you are making your run.

 

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,Feb 7 2005, 10:42 AM]

My point is - The PATS don't scare me - I feel the right NFL coach would chew Belichek up

(ie Parcells)

:rotflmao: Poor kid.... doesn't even get it when the obvious was staring him in the face.

I've got a homework project for you, juniior:

1) How many titles did Parcells win with Bill as his right hand man?

2) How many has he won since?

3) How many has Bill won since leaving Parcells?

This will be graded.....

And how many championships has Belichek won with Crennel on his wing ???hmmmm food for thought PAT fans.

Just thought I would damper the party a bit.

LETS GO ROMEO!!!!

GRADE: FInstructors Comments: Junior failed to address any of the questions on the exam and continues to show a troubling lack of any grasp of the topic. We strongly advise he be held back a year as he's clearly not ready to advance into Football 102 just yet.

 

[The Commish]

,Feb 7 2005, 10:49 AM]

,Feb 7 2005, 10:42 AM]

My point is - The PATS don't scare me - I feel the right NFL coach would chew Belichek up

(ie Parcells)

:rotflmao: Poor kid.... doesn't even get it when the obvious was staring him in the face.

I've got a homework project for you, juniior:

1) How many titles did Parcells win with Bill as his right hand man?

2) How many has he won since?

3) How many has Bill won since leaving Parcells?

This will be graded.....

And how many championships has Belichek won with Crennel on his wing ???hmmmm food for thought PAT fans.

Just thought I would damper the party a bit.

LETS GO ROMEO!!!!

GRADE: FInstructors Comments: Junior failed to address any of the questions on the exam and continues to show a troubling lack of any grasp of the topic. We strongly advise he be held back a year as he's clearly not ready to advance into Football 102 just yet.

Now he must go sit in the corner and write 100 sentences!

 

[saintsfan]

Guys,The other thing is that it's possible that there is no such thing as a dynasty anymore. Think about it. The last time we saw one in any sport was probably the 60's. I think the Pats have done something amazing, but I don't think they'll come close to accomplishing what the Celtics did in the 60's.The closest thing we've seen since then is the Lakers of the 80's. 5 titles and three other appearances in the NBA Finals in ten years, but even that pales in comparison to 11 out of 13 for the Celts or the 20 titles of the Yanks in 40 years.

 

[Jimmy James]

If you listen to our media and our media only, they'll have you believing what the Tiger Woods has accomplished on the golf course is right up there with what the Pats have done and they are NOTHING in the same. That was my point about dynasty being overused.

I think you have it backwards. The Patriots are one of 7 teams to win at least 3 Super Bowls. Woods is one of only 4 men to have won a career Grand Slam in golf. If you accept the Patriots as a dynasty, I would argue they are one of only 4 in the Super Bowl era. Woods is the only man to hold all four Grand Slam championships at the same time (in the same year long period, though it wasn't the same calendar year).

 

[The Commish]

Guys,The other thing is that it's possible that there is no such thing as a dynasty anymore. Think about it. The last time we saw one in any sport was probably the 60's. I think the Pats have done something amazing, but I don't think they'll come close to accomplishing what the Celtics did in the 60's.The closest thing we've seen since then is the Lakers of the 80's. 5 titles and three other appearances in the NBA Finals in ten years, but even that pales in comparison to 11 out of 13 for the Celts or the 20 titles of the Yanks in 40 years.

No offense...but this is my point I made previously in this thread. Comparing accomplishments from sport to sport is ill-advised in my opinion.....

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

,Feb 7 2005, 10:49 AM]

,Feb 7 2005, 10:42 AM]

My point is - The PATS don't scare me - I feel the right NFL coach would chew Belichek up

(ie Parcells)

:rotflmao: Poor kid.... doesn't even get it when the obvious was staring him in the face.

I've got a homework project for you, juniior:

1) How many titles did Parcells win with Bill as his right hand man?

2) How many has he won since?

3) How many has Bill won since leaving Parcells?

This will be graded.....

And how many championships has Belichek won with Crennel on his wing ???hmmmm food for thought PAT fans.

Just thought I would damper the party a bit.

LETS GO ROMEO!!!!

GRADE: FInstructors Comments: Junior failed to address any of the questions on the exam and continues to show a troubling lack of any grasp of the topic. We strongly advise he be held back a year as he's clearly not ready to advance into Football 102 just yet.

About RomeoHis first tenure in New England was a four-year assignment as Bill Parcells’ defensive line coach, beginning in 1993 and ending with an AFC Championship and Super Bowl XXXI appearance in January of 1997. In 1994, the Patriots qualified for the playoffs for the first time in eight years after winning their last seven games of the regular season. The defense allowed just 13.3 points per game during that seven-game stretch. In 1996, the Patriots defense allowed just 12.8 points per game in the final five contests of the regular season to propel the team back to the playoffs. The Patriots were victorious by scores of 28-3 and 20-6, respectively, in two playoff games to claim their second conference title in franchise history and advance to Super Bowl XXXI.

Crennel, who was the defensive line coach for the Patriots from 1993 to 1996, returned to the Patriots sidelines in 2001 after three seasons with the New York Jets (1997-99) and a season as the defensive coordinator with the Cleveland Browns (2000). During his season in Cleveland, the Browns recorded 42 sacks, a 17-sack improvement from the 1999 season.

Any coincidence that Crennel leaves and the PATS SUCK - he comes back and they win a SuperBowl ??

Now is my logic still baffling ??

 

[Jimmy James]

Guys,The other thing is that it's possible that there is no such thing as a dynasty anymore. Think about it. The last time we saw one in any sport was probably the 60's. I think the Pats have done something amazing, but I don't think they'll come close to accomplishing what the Celtics did in the 60's.The closest thing we've seen since then is the Lakers of the 80's. 5 titles and three other appearances in the NBA Finals in ten years, but even that pales in comparison to 11 out of 13 for the Celts or the 20 titles of the Yanks in 40 years.

I think this depends on how far out into the sporting world you go. I think you can clearly call Michael Schumacher's 5 straight Formula One championships a dynasty, and it is clear that Lance Armstrong's 6 straight Tour de France championships also constitute a dynasty.

 

[AB in DC]

Colin asked for it, he got it. He should not have said "Cry all you want." If you want to know when this thread went downhill, it was in his initial post. That pissed me off and probably a couple of other Pats fans. I am sorry I stooped to his level with the name calling but aside from that, I still don't respect his opinion.

I guess my question is, why did it piss you off soooooo much? Does it really matter what others think?

Same reason that it bothered Colin when everyone called him out over his cheap shot.Same reason why any other fan gets pissed when someone insults an entire group of them.Three years ago, the entire message board was dissing the Patriots, and then were surpised when Pats fans started crying for respect. That's what happens when you dis someone, isn't it? Now Colin takes another cheap shot against Pats fans, and people wonder why we take offense. Isn't that just normal human reaction? And haven't yall heard the term "buzzkill" before

 

[Colin Dowling]

You're kidding, right? Romeo may prove to be a vital part of the team indeed, but you're comparing Apples and Orange Soda. Its not even close to the same thing. The point made about Parcells/Belicik is valid because Belichik has won Super Bowls SINCE he left and Parcells hasn't. When Crennel wins a Super Bowl or two and the Patriots struggle, feel free to bump this thread. Until then, you're grasping.Colin

 

[Colin Dowling]

Colin asked for it, he got it.  He should not have said "Cry all you want." If you want to know when this thread went downhill, it was in his initial post.  That pissed me off and probably a couple of other Pats fans.  I am sorry I stooped to his level with the name calling but aside from that, I still don't respect his opinion.

I guess my question is, why did it piss you off soooooo much? Does it really matter what others think?

Same reason that it bothered Colin when everyone called him out over his cheap shot.Same reason why any other fan gets pissed when someone insults an entire group of them.Three years ago, the entire message board was dissing the Patriots, and then were surpised when Pats fans started crying for respect. That's what happens when you dis someone, isn't it? Now Colin takes another cheap shot against Pats fans, and people wonder why we take offense. Isn't that just normal human reaction? And haven't yall heard the term "buzzkill" before

It didn't bother me at all. I'm responding to comments, but don't think I take any of it personally. Even those that called me names, how seriously do you think I take it? Its a MESSAGE BOARD for goodness sake...P.S. What "cheap shot?"Colin

 

[Green and Gold]

I think 'dynasty' should be discussed in the same type of time frame that players become eligible for the hall of fame - somewhere around five years after it's over.GG

 

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You're kidding, right? Romeo may prove to be a vital part of the team indeed, but you're comparing Apples and Orange Soda. Its not even close to the same thing. The point made about Parcells/Belicik is valid because Belichik has won Super Bowls SINCE he left and Parcells hasn't. When Crennel wins a Super Bowl or two and the Patriots struggle, feel free to bump this thread. Until then, you're grasping.Colin

Okay.. so maybe Colin ISN'T an idiot

 

[The Commish]

Colin asked for it, he got it.  He should not have said "Cry all you want." If you want to know when this thread went downhill, it was in his initial post.  That pissed me off and probably a couple of other Pats fans.  I am sorry I stooped to his level with the name calling but aside from that, I still don't respect his opinion.

I guess my question is, why did it piss you off soooooo much? Does it really matter what others think?

Same reason that it bothered Colin when everyone called him out over his cheap shot.Same reason why any other fan gets pissed when someone insults an entire group of them.Three years ago, the entire message board was dissing the Patriots, and then were surpised when Pats fans started crying for respect. That's what happens when you dis someone, isn't it? Now Colin takes another cheap shot against Pats fans, and people wonder why we take offense. Isn't that just normal human reaction? And haven't yall heard the term "buzzkill" before

I think you are missing my point. It's not a problem with what he says. The problem is that you let what he says get to you. You ALLOW it to be a buzzkill, you ALLOW it to be negative. I did miss the comments from a few years ago and I understand the cry for respect...I am a Panthers fan for godsake BUT....I don't let others bring me down...I could care less what any other person's opinion of my team is. I don't have to have everyone agree with me. I will state my case for my opinion and let it be. No offense to anyone in here, but I could care less what you think of me or my team because I am confident in them and myself. Say whatever you want about the Panthers, the bottom line is I enjoy following them and I enjoy watching them win and hurt when they lose and no matter what anyone says, that will not change.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

You're kidding, right? Romeo may prove to be a vital part of the team indeed, but you're comparing Apples and Orange Soda. Its not even close to the same thing. The point made about Parcells/Belicik is valid because Belichik has won Super Bowls SINCE he left and Parcells hasn't. When Crennel wins a Super Bowl or two and the Patriots struggle, feel free to bump this thread. Until then, you're grasping.Colin

Well that my whole pointI'm predicting that with Crennel gone next year the PATS will struggle and Crennel will continue to succeed.Just food for though 2005.Ummmm so your telling me that if Parcells was still coaching the PATS with Crennel and Weis as his co-ordinators that he would not have won 3/4 SuperBowls as well ??And your also telling me that if Belichek was in Dallas that they would be "Dynasty material" ???C'mon - Parcells is just as good as BelichekI think the real genius here is Romeo Crennel anyways

 

[The Commish]

,Feb 7 2005, 11:06 AM]

You're kidding, right? Romeo may prove to be a vital part of the team indeed, but you're comparing Apples and Orange Soda. Its not even close to the same thing. The point made about Parcells/Belicik is valid because Belichik has won Super Bowls SINCE he left and Parcells hasn't. When Crennel wins a Super Bowl or two and the Patriots struggle, feel free to bump this thread. Until then, you're grasping.Colin

Okay.. so maybe Colin ISN'T an idiot

Because he is saying good things about your club?? You guys kill me!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[Colin Dowling]

You're kidding, right? Romeo may prove to be a vital part of the team indeed, but you're comparing Apples and Orange Soda. Its not even close to the same thing. The point made about Parcells/Belicik is valid because Belichik has won Super Bowls SINCE he left and Parcells hasn't. When Crennel wins a Super Bowl or two and the Patriots struggle, feel free to bump this thread. Until then, you're grasping.Colin

Well that my whole pointI'm predicting that with Crennel gone next year the PATS will struggle and Crennel will continue to succeed.Just food for though 2005.Ummmm so your telling me that if Parcells was still coaching the PATS with Crennel and Weis as his co-ordinators that he would not have won 3/4 SuperBowls as well ??And your also telling me that if Belichek was in Dallas that they would be "Dynasty material" ???C'mon - Parcells is just as good as BelichekI think the real genius here is Romeo Crennel anyways

Predicting the Pats will struggle without Romeo is fair. Time will tell.No, the Cowboys with Belichik wouldn't have won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, but that has a lot more to do with things OTHER than the coach.No, Parcells likely would not have won 3 of 4 if he were the Pats coach. I like Parcells as much as anyone, but Belichik is operating on an entirely different level right now.Colin

 

[saintsfan]

I think the closest we've seen to a true NFL dynasty would be the 49ers of the 80's and into the mid 90's. Think about it. They won 5 Super Bowls and would have won more, but were kept out of the Super Bowl by the 85 Bears, 86 Giants, 90 Giants, and 92/93 Cowboys. No NFL team has ever had a run like that, except the 40's and 50's Browns.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

You're kidding, right?  Romeo may prove to be a vital part of the team indeed, but you're comparing Apples and Orange Soda.  Its not even close to the same thing.  The point made about Parcells/Belicik is valid because Belichik has won Super Bowls SINCE he left and Parcells hasn't.  When Crennel wins a Super Bowl or two and the Patriots struggle, feel free to bump this thread.  Until then, you're grasping.Colin

Well that my whole pointI'm predicting that with Crennel gone next year the PATS will struggle and Crennel will continue to succeed.Just food for though 2005.Ummmm so your telling me that if Parcells was still coaching the PATS with Crennel and Weis as his co-ordinators that he would not have won 3/4 SuperBowls as well ??And your also telling me that if Belichek was in Dallas that they would be "Dynasty material" ???C'mon - Parcells is just as good as BelichekI think the real genius here is Romeo Crennel anyways

Predicting the Pats will struggle without Romeo is fair. Time will tell.No, the Cowboys with Belichik wouldn't have won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, but that has a lot more to do with things OTHER than the coach.No, Parcells likely would not have won 3 of 4 if he were the Pats coach. I like Parcells as much as anyone, but Belichik is operating on an entirely different level right now.Colin

Well its fair of me to say this than??If Belichek truly is a genius than next year 2005 will definately be the year to prove itIMHO he is losing not one crutch but both and it will be hard for him not to fall flat on his face.Belichek is good but in all honesty I think this was more of Weis's and Crennel's team than it was Billy's

 

[Colin Dowling]

You're kidding, right?  Romeo may prove to be a vital part of the team indeed, but you're comparing Apples and Orange Soda.  Its not even close to the same thing.   The point made about Parcells/Belicik is valid because Belichik has won Super Bowls SINCE he left and Parcells hasn't.  When Crennel wins a Super Bowl or two and the Patriots struggle, feel free to bump this thread.  Until then, you're grasping.Colin

Well that my whole pointI'm predicting that with Crennel gone next year the PATS will struggle and Crennel will continue to succeed.Just food for though 2005.Ummmm so your telling me that if Parcells was still coaching the PATS with Crennel and Weis as his co-ordinators that he would not have won 3/4 SuperBowls as well ??And your also telling me that if Belichek was in Dallas that they would be "Dynasty material" ???C'mon - Parcells is just as good as BelichekI think the real genius here is Romeo Crennel anyways

Predicting the Pats will struggle without Romeo is fair. Time will tell.No, the Cowboys with Belichik wouldn't have won 3 of 4 Super Bowls, but that has a lot more to do with things OTHER than the coach.No, Parcells likely would not have won 3 of 4 if he were the Pats coach. I like Parcells as much as anyone, but Belichik is operating on an entirely different level right now.Colin

Well its fair of me to say this than??If Belichek truly is a genius than next year 2005 will definately be the year to prove itIMHO he is losing not one crutch but both and it will be hard for him not to fall flat on his face.Belichek is good but in all honesty I think this was more of Weis's and Crennel's team than it was Billy's

All of that may be true in due time. I certainly don't expect the Patriots to be as impressive next year as they have been recently, but I think your prediction of them falling flat on their collective face is a little silly. IIRC, the key players will be back and the new cordinators will be promoted from within so they'll keep some intertia with the gameplan.To your point, we've seen with our own eyes what Parcells can (or can't) do without Belichik. We have yet to see what Belichik does without his two cordinators.Anything trying to predict that is more of a "guess" than hard fact.Colin

 

[Jason Wood]

Cochise,Yes, my stance (which does appear to differ somewhat from Colin's) is that there are no dynasties in the NFL. If you want to create a quasi-moniker of "Football Dynasty" and induct teams like the 70s Steelers into the fold, certainly I can agree that the Patriots should be put right up there with them thanks to this 4 year run.

 

[Statorama]

Comparisons to the 90's Bulls? Are they considered a dynasty as well?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Comparisons to the 90's Bulls? Are they considered a dynasty as well?

6 titles in 8 years while making the 2nd round of the playoffs in the odd 2 years is indeed impressive. I don't see the comparison to the Patriots though.Colin

 

[AB in DC]

Comparisons to the 90's Bulls? Are they considered a dynasty as well?

6 titles in 8 years while making the 2nd round of the playoffs in the odd 2 years is indeed impressive. I don't see the comparison to the Patriots though.Colin

How about the 1960s Packers? They missed the playoffs twice in those seven years.

 

[saintsfan]

Comparisons to the 90's Bulls? Are they considered a dynasty as well?

6 titles in 8 years while making the 2nd round of the playoffs in the odd 2 years is indeed impressive. I don't see the comparison to the Patriots though.Colin

I don't believe the Bulls were a dynasty. They were one guy and when that one guy played for them, they were unbeatable. When he left, they were extremely average.Now, if you want to call Michael Jordan a dynasty, that's fine, but he could have done that with anybody.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Comparisons to the 90's Bulls?  Are they considered a dynasty as well?

6 titles in 8 years while making the 2nd round of the playoffs in the odd 2 years is indeed impressive. I don't see the comparison to the Patriots though.Colin

How about the 1960s Packers? They missed the playoffs twice in those seven years.

Only 2 teams of 14 made (14%) the "playoffs" in that time. IN 63 and 64, the Packers finished second in their division and went 1-1 in the NFL's 3rd place game.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I am befuddled by the comments of Jefferson the Caregiver and Cochise :This is what I am able to surmise from reading your posts. Your team just won their 2nd straight Super Bowl. You guys are getting your panties in a bunch because one guy, whose opinion you apparently don't even respect, thinks your team isn't a dynasty? WTF do you care? If I were bostonfred or one of the many other reasonable, normal Pats fans, I would want to kill you guys. You wonder why you get referred to as "whiny tools" - this is why ! Rather than kicking back and enjoying this run of dominance, you'd rather blast someone for saying :"You guys are the best team in the last decade, but I don't think it qualifies as a dynasty?" Holy cow....... get a grip. Whether you agree or disagree, you have to admit, there is some validity to the opinion that a team cannot be called a dynasty based on a run of 4 years, one of which the team didn't even make the playoffs! Rather than getting pissed at HERD, why don't you write a letter to Bob Ryan of the BOSTON Globe, your most well-known sportswriter, who also says that this team doesn't qualify as a dynasty.Better still, how about just enjoying the win and what accolades you've received rather than running around commanding that the entire world kneel before you and acknowledge the greatness that is the Patriots. We get it, you guys have a great team. Beating it into people's heads and refusing to acknowledge a compliment unless it's grandiose enough for you just makes you look like a spoiled tool.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Cochise,Yes, my stance (which does appear to differ somewhat from Colin's) is that there are no dynasties in the NFL. If you want to create a quasi-moniker of "Football Dynasty" and induct teams like the 70s Steelers into the fold, certainly I can agree that the Patriots should be put right up there with them thanks to this 4 year run.

Agreed here as well. As we all know, I am a Steeler diehard and one who feels the Steelers of the late 70s were maybe the best team of all-time. But even I wouldn't necessarily consider them dynastic; and if they aren't, there's no way these Patriots are.By the way, Cochise, I don't think Colin needs Woodrow to "stick up for him." I don't think either one of these guys needs someone else to step in and lend validation to their points. They write for this site for a reason. If you disagree, fine, and you're certainly willing to say so, but to get your knickers twisted over this and resort to childish name-calling is just embarrassing.

 

[Serenity Now]

Every year the pats have won the SB they have done both or either1. Cheat

:rotflmao:

Oh so you think its okay to fumble a ball but get credit for a non-fumble ???Even going by The Tuck Rule Brady fumbled end of story and one tainted SuperBowlAnd you must also think its alright to man-handle Marvin Harrison and Co 10-12 yards down field. There you go two tainted superbowlsI'll give you credit - this year you guys won fair and square.Oh and let me save you the smiley

So every time a referee screws up it's the Pats' fault? You take what you're given and you're an idiot if you don't. Calling it cheating just shows how stupid you're being on this.Of course, I fully expect you to show how the Pats paid off the officials or something now, right?

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Every year the pats have won the SB they have done both or either1. Cheat

:rotflmao:

Oh so you think its okay to fumble a ball but get credit for a non-fumble ???Even going by The Tuck Rule Brady fumbled end of story and one tainted SuperBowlAnd you must also think its alright to man-handle Marvin Harrison and Co 10-12 yards down field. There you go two tainted superbowlsI'll give you credit - this year you guys won fair and square.Oh and let me save you the smiley

So every time a referee screws up it's the Pats' fault? You take what you're given and you're an idiot if you don't. Calling it cheating just shows how stupid you're being on this.Of course, I fully expect you to show how the Pats paid off the officials or something now, right?

Okay well than we now know where you stand on the integrity issue.If your team breaks the rules to win a game - how can you be satisfied with that ??I would much rather see my team win fairly (like they did this year) than have superbowls questioned.Yes the Refs blew their calls that year and no the PATS should not suffer because of it but don't tell me that they are an unquestioned dynasty - if just one of those 2 calls actually go the way they are suppose to go than we're not even having this conversation right nowOnce again I'll save you the smiley

 

[Serenity Now]

When did I tell you they were an unquestioned dynasty? If you take a minute to read the thread, you'll discover that I have said no such thing.The teams on the field cannot control how the officials call a game and that has not one iota to do with my integrity, you tool. The Pats have also been on the losing end of some pretty questionable calls. What it's all about is capitalizing on what you're given. Mistakes are part of the game. Deal with it.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

I am befuddled by the comments of Jefferson the Caregiver and Cochise :This is what I am able to surmise from reading your posts. Your team just won their 2nd straight Super Bowl. You guys are getting your panties in a bunch because one guy, whose opinion you apparently don't even respect, thinks your team isn't a dynasty? WTF do you care? If I were bostonfred or one of the many other reasonable, normal Pats fans, I would want to kill you guys. You wonder why you get referred to as "whiny tools" - this is why ! Rather than kicking back and enjoying this run of dominance, you'd rather blast someone for saying :"You guys are the best team in the last decade, but I don't think it qualifies as a dynasty?" Holy cow....... get a grip. Whether you agree or disagree, you have to admit, there is some validity to the opinion that a team cannot be called a dynasty based on a run of 4 years, one of which the team didn't even make the playoffs! Rather than getting pissed at HERD, why don't you write a letter to Bob Ryan of the BOSTON Globe, your most well-known sportswriter, who also says that this team doesn't qualify as a dynasty.Better still, how about just enjoying the win and what accolades you've received rather than running around commanding that the entire world kneel before you and acknowledge the greatness that is the Patriots. We get it, you guys have a great team. Beating it into people's heads and refusing to acknowledge a compliment unless it's grandiose enough for you just makes you look like a spoiled tool.

Evilgrin, not sure how long you have been around but I have seen enough of Herd's posts at this point where it has gotten to a boiling point with me. He has a documented history of an anti Pats bias and his writing style in general calls for retorts. Had the guy not said, "Cry all you want Pats fans", I may have let this one go too. But the guy wanted this and he got it.I'm not explainining it again.Surely you are not that hypocritical to be so befuddled as to why people argue on a message board. Its one of the reasons people post.I'm done with this, I've said my peace, I will try and tune this guy out from now on, he's dead to me now.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I am befuddled by the comments of Jefferson the Caregiver and Cochise :This is what I am able to surmise from reading your posts. Your team just won their 2nd straight Super Bowl. You guys are getting your panties in a bunch because one guy, whose opinion you apparently don't even respect, thinks your team isn't a dynasty? WTF do you care? If I were bostonfred or one of the many other reasonable, normal Pats fans, I would want to kill you guys. You wonder why you get referred to as "whiny tools" - this is why ! Rather than kicking back and enjoying this run of dominance, you'd rather blast someone for saying :"You guys are the best team in the last decade, but I don't think it qualifies as a dynasty?" Holy cow....... get a grip. Whether you agree or disagree, you have to admit, there is some validity to the opinion that a team cannot be called a dynasty based on a run of 4 years, one of which the team didn't even make the playoffs! Rather than getting pissed at HERD, why don't you write a letter to Bob Ryan of the BOSTON Globe, your most well-known sportswriter, who also says that this team doesn't qualify as a dynasty.Better still, how about just enjoying the win and what accolades you've received rather than running around commanding that the entire world kneel before you and acknowledge the greatness that is the Patriots. We get it, you guys have a great team. Beating it into people's heads and refusing to acknowledge a compliment unless it's grandiose enough for you just makes you look like a spoiled tool.

Evilgrin, not sure how long you have been around but I have seen enough of Herd's posts at this point where it has gotten to a boiling point with me. He has a documented history of an anti Pats bias and his writing style in general calls for retorts. Had the guy not said, "Cry all you want Pats fans", I may have let this one go too. But the guy wanted this and he got it.I'm not explainining it again.Surely you are not that hypocritical to be so befuddled as to why people argue on a message board. Its one of the reasons people post.I'm done with this, I've said my peace, I will try and tune this guy out from now on, he's dead to me now.

Works for me.As a note, I've made it very clear that the "anti-Pats bias" you refer to is well behind me. If you don't believe that, I could care less. I said "cry all you want" simply because I knew that someone mentioning that they didn't think the Pats were a dynasty would open the floodgates of whining. 6 pages later, I have been proven correct in droves.I look forward to you ignoring me from now on.COlin

 

[The Commish]

I am befuddled by the comments of Jefferson the Caregiver and Cochise :This is what I am able to surmise from reading your posts. Your team just won their 2nd straight Super Bowl. You guys are getting your panties in a bunch because one guy, whose opinion you apparently don't even respect, thinks your team isn't a dynasty? WTF do you care? If I were bostonfred or one of the many other reasonable, normal Pats fans, I would want to kill you guys. You wonder why you get referred to as "whiny tools" - this is why ! Rather than kicking back and enjoying this run of dominance, you'd rather blast someone for saying :"You guys are the best team in the last decade, but I don't think it qualifies as a dynasty?" Holy cow....... get a grip. Whether you agree or disagree, you have to admit, there is some validity to the opinion that a team cannot be called a dynasty based on a run of 4 years, one of which the team didn't even make the playoffs! Rather than getting pissed at HERD, why don't you write a letter to Bob Ryan of the BOSTON Globe, your most well-known sportswriter, who also says that this team doesn't qualify as a dynasty.Better still, how about just enjoying the win and what accolades you've received rather than running around commanding that the entire world kneel before you and acknowledge the greatness that is the Patriots. We get it, you guys have a great team. Beating it into people's heads and refusing to acknowledge a compliment unless it's grandiose enough for you just makes you look like a spoiled tool.

I am on THIS bandwagon!!

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Surely you are not that hypocritical to be so befuddled as to why people argue on a message board. Its one of the reasons people post.

Not at all, I argue as much as anyone. I was wondering why the impetus was there for you. If the Steelers had beaten NE and then Philly, frankly, I wouldn't care what anyone said at this point. The trophy would have been all the argument I needed (plus, I'd still be passed out after having partied all night last night.)You explained it and so I'll accept your explanation and move on. It just didn't seem very anti-Pats to me... it seemed much more an issue of one person's definition of a dynasty to me.

 

[Doc Holiday]

Honestly who cares?????I am a Pats fan and have been for years, but honestly does the word Dynasty mean that much to the New England fans? It does not to me and from the interviews last night after the game it did not look like it to the players either. If you want to refer to them as a Dynasty then go for it. I personally would like to refer to them as the World Champions again for another year.Just remember Pats fans (and this is the though process that I have), enjoy it now because the last so called "Dynasty" (Dallas), started to fall apart shortly after the third Superbowl ended. Just enjoy the victory and the credit and the recognition that all Pats fans craved for years will all fall into place. Congratulations to the Eagles fans on a great game and to the Patriots fans for another World championship.

 

[2190]

I am befuddled by the comments of Jefferson the Caregiver and Cochise :This is what I am able to surmise from reading your posts. Your team just won their 2nd straight Super Bowl. You guys are getting your panties in a bunch because one guy, whose opinion you apparently don't even respect, thinks your team isn't a dynasty? WTF do you care? If I were bostonfred or one of the many other reasonable, normal Pats fans, I would want to kill you guys. You wonder why you get referred to as "whiny tools" - this is why ! Rather than kicking back and enjoying this run of dominance, you'd rather blast someone for saying :"You guys are the best team in the last decade, but I don't think it qualifies as a dynasty?" Holy cow....... get a grip. Whether you agree or disagree, you have to admit, there is some validity to the opinion that a team cannot be called a dynasty based on a run of 4 years, one of which the team didn't even make the playoffs! Rather than getting pissed at HERD, why don't you write a letter to Bob Ryan of the BOSTON Globe, your most well-known sportswriter, who also says that this team doesn't qualify as a dynasty.Better still, how about just enjoying the win and what accolades you've received rather than running around commanding that the entire world kneel before you and acknowledge the greatness that is the Patriots. We get it, you guys have a great team. Beating it into people's heads and refusing to acknowledge a compliment unless it's grandiose enough for you just makes you look like a spoiled tool.

Wow, I am shocked that you are befuddled. I agree with JTC, and proud of it, Collin's initial post is basically calling out Pats fans.Sorry if I like a good debate but I wish the opposing side could at least come to the table with some coherent arguments. Fine, you and Wood are 'Sports Purists'. "There is no such thing as a dynasty." Whoop de do! Do you read the Boston Globe? Have you ever read the Boston Globe? Almost all of their columnists are contrarians. What fun would it be to write another dynasty article. Therefore, I will write an article about how there is no such thing as a dynasty. That would be different. I have read Bob Ryan and listened to him many times refer to the Celtics as a dynasty. You think maybe he doesnt believe what he is writing but is just trying to be unique in the ultra-competitive Boston market? Oh thats right, you live in Pittsburgh, not much journalistic competition there.There is a greater portion of sports fans that actually believe in dynasties and likes to discuss the merits of teams from different eras. I think it is a great discussion as to which team is better, the 90's Cowboys or the 2000's Patriots. Don't know who would win that matchup but it is fun to discuss.All of a sudden because, in historical context, JTC and I (along with most of the rest of the sporting world) think that this Patriots team deserves to be recognized right along with the other recognized NFL dynasties, we arent reasonable or normal fans? An opposing voice spits in the face of all logic and evidence to the contrary and we arent supposed to be allowed to call him out on his bias?Ok Evilgrin. You're right. You are the voice of reason in this thread.

 

[Colin Dowling]

An opposing voice spits in the face of all logic and evidence to the contrary and we arent supposed to be allowed to call him out on his bias?

What bias? I have said repeatedly that I don't have a preference of the Patriots. I used to dislike them, and I've put that behind me. I disagree with a subjective definition and you've gotten so worked up that I'm worried about your blood pressure.COlin

 

[2190]

Dont worry about my blood pressure. Unbelievably even keel. I might have a hot temper but the wife is almost amazed when the blood pressure numbers come back from the physical.Yes. I always form a strong bias' for a team and then "put it behind me". :rotflmao: I havent been around as long as JTC but since I know him and dont know you, I will take his word for it when he tells me you have a long history of bias against the Patriots.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I am befuddled by the comments of Jefferson the Caregiver and Cochise :This is what I am able to surmise from reading your posts. Your team just won their 2nd straight Super Bowl. You guys are getting your panties in a bunch because one guy, whose opinion you apparently don't even respect, thinks your team isn't a dynasty? WTF do you care? If I were bostonfred or one of the many other reasonable, normal Pats fans, I would want to kill you guys. You wonder why you get referred to as "whiny tools" - this is why ! Rather than kicking back and enjoying this run of dominance, you'd rather blast someone for saying :"You guys are the best team in the last decade, but I don't think it qualifies as a dynasty?" Holy cow....... get a grip. Whether you agree or disagree, you have to admit, there is some validity to the opinion that a team cannot be called a dynasty based on a run of 4 years, one of which the team didn't even make the playoffs! Rather than getting pissed at HERD, why don't you write a letter to Bob Ryan of the BOSTON Globe, your most well-known sportswriter, who also says that this team doesn't qualify as a dynasty.Better still, how about just enjoying the win and what accolades you've received rather than running around commanding that the entire world kneel before you and acknowledge the greatness that is the Patriots. We get it, you guys have a great team. Beating it into people's heads and refusing to acknowledge a compliment unless it's grandiose enough for you just makes you look like a spoiled tool.

Wow, I am shocked that you are befuddled. I agree with JTC, and proud of it, Collin's initial post is basically calling out Pats fans.Sorry if I like a good debate but I wish the opposing side could at least come to the table with some coherent arguments. Fine, you and Wood are 'Sports Purists'. "There is no such thing as a dynasty." Whoop de do! Do you read the Boston Globe? Have you ever read the Boston Globe? Almost all of their columnists are contrarians. What fun would it be to write another dynasty article. Therefore, I will write an article about how there is no such thing as a dynasty. That would be different. I have read Bob Ryan and listened to him many times refer to the Celtics as a dynasty. You think maybe he doesnt believe what he is writing but is just trying to be unique in the ultra-competitive Boston market? Oh thats right, you live in Pittsburgh, not much journalistic competition there.There is a greater portion of sports fans that actually believe in dynasties and likes to discuss the merits of teams from different eras. I think it is a great discussion as to which team is better, the 90's Cowboys or the 2000's Patriots. Don't know who would win that matchup but it is fun to discuss.All of a sudden because, in historical context, JTC and I (along with most of the rest of the sporting world) think that this Patriots team deserves to be recognized right along with the other recognized NFL dynasties, we arent reasonable or normal fans? An opposing voice spits in the face of all logic and evidence to the contrary and we arent supposed to be allowed to call him out on his bias?Ok Evilgrin. You're right. You are the voice of reason in this thread.

The level of comprehension displyed by this post is staggeringly low. Follow along now, I'll go slowly...1) You like a good debate but wish the other side could make coherent arguments. Wow. I have read HERD's and Jason's posts in this thread and they make coherent arguments. Those of you calling HERD an idiot, saying he has no credibility as a poster, and calling out his bosses to remove him from the staff for voicing an opinion you disagree with is NOT a coherent argument. It's a personal attack, and it's pretty weak.2) Bob Ryan makes the same point as HERD, but he's just "trying to be unique" while COlin is a moron for making the same point. Interesting. Maybe he is contrarian, but isn't it possible that this is just his viewpoint? Maybe he just sees a "dynasty" differently than you do? By the way, I don't live in Pittsburgh, but I did live in the NYC Metro Area for 27 years, so I know a little bit about competitive journalism, OK? I've also written for several newspapers in the past, so you don't need to try to condescend to me regarding this issue. 3) Argue these Patriots vs. the 1990s Cowboys all you want. Call the Patriots one of the best NFL teams in the Super Bowl era all you want. Call them an "NFL dynasty" as you put it. I don't think Colin was arguing any of these points. What he and Jason are saying is they don't qualify as a true sports dynasty because their run of success is still relatively short and they missed the playoffs once in that short span. That's it. Don't make it bigger than it is. The question remains : why do you care so much that Colin doesn't view them as a sports dynasty. It seems to me you need his validation for this win to mean anything to you.I won't even get into your mud-slinging comments to start the post. You're "shocked" that I am befuddled. I am going to take that as a compliment, coming from someone who argued that Dimebag Darrell's murder was unsurprising due to the violent nature of Pantera lyrics. Any issue on which you view me as confused, I automatically assume I am right on the money.You would make a hell of an attorney in Bizarro world.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Dont worry about my blood pressure. Unbelievably even keel. I might have a hot temper but the wife is almost amazed when the blood pressure numbers come back from the physical.Yes. I always form a strong bias' for a team and then "put it behind me". :rotflmao: I havent been around as long as JTC but since I know him and dont know you, I will take his word for it when he tells me you have a long history of bias against the Patriots.

Ok. Sounds good. Sorry that you find it hard to believe that I don't care one way or the other about the Patriots. Your loss.Colin

 

[Colin Dowling]

I am befuddled by the comments of Jefferson the Caregiver and Cochise :This is what I am able to surmise from reading your posts.  Your team just won their 2nd straight Super Bowl.  You guys are getting your panties in a bunch because one guy, whose opinion you apparently don't even respect, thinks your team isn't a dynasty?  WTF do you care?  If I were bostonfred or one of the many other reasonable, normal Pats fans, I would want to kill you guys.  You wonder why you get referred to as "whiny tools" - this is why !  Rather than kicking back and enjoying this run of dominance, you'd rather blast someone for saying :"You guys are the best team in the last decade, but I don't think it qualifies as a dynasty?"  Holy cow....... get a grip.  Whether you agree or disagree, you have to admit, there is some validity to the opinion that a team cannot be called a dynasty based on a run of 4 years, one of which the team didn't even make the playoffs!  Rather than getting pissed at HERD, why don't you write a letter to Bob Ryan of the BOSTON Globe, your most well-known sportswriter, who also says that this team doesn't qualify as a dynasty.Better still, how about just enjoying the win and what accolades you've received rather than running around commanding that the entire world kneel before you and acknowledge the greatness that is the Patriots.  We get it, you guys have a great team.  Beating it into people's heads and refusing to acknowledge a compliment unless it's grandiose enough for you just makes you look like a spoiled tool.

Wow, I am shocked that you are befuddled. I agree with JTC, and proud of it, Collin's initial post is basically calling out Pats fans.Sorry if I like a good debate but I wish the opposing side could at least come to the table with some coherent arguments. Fine, you and Wood are 'Sports Purists'. "There is no such thing as a dynasty." Whoop de do! Do you read the Boston Globe? Have you ever read the Boston Globe? Almost all of their columnists are contrarians. What fun would it be to write another dynasty article. Therefore, I will write an article about how there is no such thing as a dynasty. That would be different. I have read Bob Ryan and listened to him many times refer to the Celtics as a dynasty. You think maybe he doesnt believe what he is writing but is just trying to be unique in the ultra-competitive Boston market? Oh thats right, you live in Pittsburgh, not much journalistic competition there.There is a greater portion of sports fans that actually believe in dynasties and likes to discuss the merits of teams from different eras. I think it is a great discussion as to which team is better, the 90's Cowboys or the 2000's Patriots. Don't know who would win that matchup but it is fun to discuss.All of a sudden because, in historical context, JTC and I (along with most of the rest of the sporting world) think that this Patriots team deserves to be recognized right along with the other recognized NFL dynasties, we arent reasonable or normal fans? An opposing voice spits in the face of all logic and evidence to the contrary and we arent supposed to be allowed to call him out on his bias?Ok Evilgrin. You're right. You are the voice of reason in this thread.

The level of comprehension displyed by this post is staggeringly low. Follow along now, I'll go slowly...1) You like a good debate but wish the other side could make coherent arguments. Wow. I have read HERD's and Jason's posts in this thread and they make coherent arguments. Those of you calling HERD an idiot, saying he has no credibility as a poster, and calling out his bosses to remove him from the staff for voicing an opinion you disagree with is NOT a coherent argument. It's a personal attack, and it's pretty weak.2) Bob Ryan makes the same point as HERD, but he's just "trying to be unique" while COlin is a moron for making the same point. Interesting. Maybe he is contrarian, but isn't it possible that this is just his viewpoint? Maybe he just sees a "dynasty" differently than you do? By the way, I don't live in Pittsburgh, but I did live in the NYC Metro Area for 27 years, so I know a little bit about competitive journalism, OK? I've also written for several newspapers in the past, so you don't need to try to condescend to me regarding this issue. 3) Argue these Patriots vs. the 1990s Cowboys all you want. Call the Patriots one of the best NFL teams in the Super Bowl era all you want. Call them an "NFL dynasty" as you put it. I don't think Colin was arguing any of these points. What he and Jason are saying is they don't qualify as a true sports dynasty because their run of success is still relatively short and they missed the playoffs once in that short span. That's it. Don't make it bigger than it is. The question remains : why do you care so much that Colin doesn't view them as a sports dynasty. It seems to me you need his validation for this win to mean anything to you.I won't even get into your mud-slinging comments to start the post. You're "shocked" that I am befuddled. I am going to take that as a compliment, coming from someone who argued that Dimebag Darrell's murder was unsurprising due to the violent nature of Pantera lyrics. Any issue on which you view me as confused, I automatically assume I am right on the money.You would make a hell of an attorney in Bizarro world.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Dont worry about my blood pressure. Unbelievably even keel. I might have a hot temper but the wife is almost amazed when the blood pressure numbers come back from the physical.Yes. I always form a strong bias' for a team and then "put it behind me". :rotflmao: I havent been around as long as JTC but since I know him and dont know you, I will take his word for it when he tells me you have a long history of bias against the Patriots.

Ok. Sounds good. Sorry that you find it hard to believe that I don't care one way or the other about the Patriots. Your loss.Colin

Colin, I think it might be time to acquiesce and just call them a dynasty. If his head explodes because you won't validate this, it's on you.

 

[AB in DC]

I said "cry all you want" simply because I knew that someone mentioning that they didn't think the Pats were a dynasty would open the floodgates of whining. 6 pages later, I have been proven correct in droves.

Except that all the whining was a result of that comment.It's like slamming your brakes in the middle of a highway and saying "Those obnoxious drivers really love giving people the finger."Or punching someone in the mouth and saying "People here sure are violent, I bet they could even come after me."Or dropping a lit cigarette on your sofa and saying "Furntiture can be so flammable sometimes..."

 

[AB in DC]

The level of comprehension displyed by this post is staggeringly low.

I think you're the one who's not comprehending the post you quoted.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I said "cry all you want" simply because I knew that someone mentioning that they didn't think the Pats were a dynasty would open the floodgates of whining. 6 pages later, I have been proven correct in droves.

Except that all the whining was a result of that comment.It's like slamming your brakes in the middle of a highway and saying "Those obnoxious drivers really love giving people the finger."Or punching someone in the mouth and saying "People here sure are violent, I bet they could even come after me."Or dropping a lit cigarette on your sofa and saying "Furntiture can be so flammable sometimes..."

So, you're calling me an instigator? Fair enough. I knew my comment would create some polarized discussion. I had no idea that it would be accompanied by insults.Colin

 

[Evilgrin 72]

The level of comprehension displyed by this post is staggeringly low.

I think you're the one who's not comprehending the post you quoted.

How so? I think I addressed all his points except the one calling Colin an instigator, and that is subject to a person's opinion. I didn't see it that way, you guys do . So be it.About what else am I confused? I have to go to lunch now but I breathlessly await Cochise's snappy retort....

 

[AB in DC]

So, you're calling me an instigator? Fair enough. I knew my comment would create some polarized discussion. I had no idea that it would be accompanied by insults.

Your comment was an insult. Unless you think that calling people crybabies is the epitomy of rational discussion.

 

[Colin Dowling]

So, you're calling me an instigator? Fair enough. I knew my comment would create some polarized discussion. I had no idea that it would be accompanied by insults.

Your comment was an insult. Unless you think that calling people crybabies is the epitomy of rational discussion.

I didn't call anyone a crybaby. I didn't mean to insult anyone and if I did, I apologize - except to the people who called me names (and used bad grammar in the process).My comment was me saying (a) I don't think they are a dynasty and (b) I've carefully weighed the arguments, and nothing you say is going to change my mind. Maybe I should have said it in those terms, that NO they aren't a dynasty and NO you won't convince me otherwise.

At that point, everyone started piling on, so I was happy to respond.

Colin

 

[2190]

I am befuddled by the comments of Jefferson the Caregiver and Cochise :This is what I am able to surmise from reading your posts.  Your team just won their 2nd straight Super Bowl.  You guys are getting your panties in a bunch because one guy, whose opinion you apparently don't even respect, thinks your team isn't a dynasty?  WTF do you care?  If I were bostonfred or one of the many other reasonable, normal Pats fans, I would want to kill you guys.  You wonder why you get referred to as "whiny tools" - this is why !  Rather than kicking back and enjoying this run of dominance, you'd rather blast someone for saying :"You guys are the best team in the last decade, but I don't think it qualifies as a dynasty?"  Holy cow....... get a grip.  Whether you agree or disagree, you have to admit, there is some validity to the opinion that a team cannot be called a dynasty based on a run of 4 years, one of which the team didn't even make the playoffs!  Rather than getting pissed at HERD, why don't you write a letter to Bob Ryan of the BOSTON Globe, your most well-known sportswriter, who also says that this team doesn't qualify as a dynasty.Better still, how about just enjoying the win and what accolades you've received rather than running around commanding that the entire world kneel before you and acknowledge the greatness that is the Patriots.  We get it, you guys have a great team.  Beating it into people's heads and refusing to acknowledge a compliment unless it's grandiose enough for you just makes you look like a spoiled tool.

Wow, I am shocked that you are befuddled. I agree with JTC, and proud of it, Collin's initial post is basically calling out Pats fans.Sorry if I like a good debate but I wish the opposing side could at least come to the table with some coherent arguments. Fine, you and Wood are 'Sports Purists'. "There is no such thing as a dynasty." Whoop de do! Do you read the Boston Globe? Have you ever read the Boston Globe? Almost all of their columnists are contrarians. What fun would it be to write another dynasty article. Therefore, I will write an article about how there is no such thing as a dynasty. That would be different. I have read Bob Ryan and listened to him many times refer to the Celtics as a dynasty. You think maybe he doesnt believe what he is writing but is just trying to be unique in the ultra-competitive Boston market? Oh thats right, you live in Pittsburgh, not much journalistic competition there.There is a greater portion of sports fans that actually believe in dynasties and likes to discuss the merits of teams from different eras. I think it is a great discussion as to which team is better, the 90's Cowboys or the 2000's Patriots. Don't know who would win that matchup but it is fun to discuss.All of a sudden because, in historical context, JTC and I (along with most of the rest of the sporting world) think that this Patriots team deserves to be recognized right along with the other recognized NFL dynasties, we arent reasonable or normal fans? An opposing voice spits in the face of all logic and evidence to the contrary and we arent supposed to be allowed to call him out on his bias?Ok Evilgrin. You're right. You are the voice of reason in this thread.

The level of comprehension displyed by this post is staggeringly low. Follow along now, I'll go slowly...1) You like a good debate but wish the other side could make coherent arguments. Wow. I have read HERD's and Jason's posts in this thread and they make coherent arguments. Those of you calling HERD an idiot, saying he has no credibility as a poster, and calling out his bosses to remove him from the staff for voicing an opinion you disagree with is NOT a coherent argument. It's a personal attack, and it's pretty weak.2) Bob Ryan makes the same point as HERD, but he's just "trying to be unique" while COlin is a moron for making the same point. Interesting. Maybe he is contrarian, but isn't it possible that this is just his viewpoint? Maybe he just sees a "dynasty" differently than you do? By the way, I don't live in Pittsburgh, but I did live in the NYC Metro Area for 27 years, so I know a little bit about competitive journalism, OK? I've also written for several newspapers in the past, so you don't need to try to condescend to me regarding this issue. 3) Argue these Patriots vs. the 1990s Cowboys all you want. Call the Patriots one of the best NFL teams in the Super Bowl era all you want. Call them an "NFL dynasty" as you put it. I don't think Colin was arguing any of these points. What he and Jason are saying is they don't qualify as a true sports dynasty because their run of success is still relatively short and they missed the playoffs once in that short span. That's it. Don't make it bigger than it is. The question remains : why do you care so much that Colin doesn't view them as a sports dynasty. It seems to me you need his validation for this win to mean anything to you.I won't even get into your mud-slinging comments to start the post. You're "shocked" that I am befuddled. I am going to take that as a compliment, coming from someone who argued that Dimebag Darrell's murder was unsurprising due to the violent nature of Pantera lyrics. Any issue on which you view me as confused, I automatically assume I am right on the money.You would make a hell of an attorney in Bizarro world.

Boy, you make it so easy.Have you read the whole thread?Wood and Collin are not even making the same argument? How's that for reading comprehension. How's your reading comprehension?Wood says there is no such thing as a dynasty.Collin says that the Patriots are not a dynasty like those other teams because they missed the playoffs 1 year.Can you see that those are 2 different arguments? Have I gone slowly enough for YOU?I told Wood that I had no problem with his argument. Disagreed with it but if you want to say there are no true dynasties fine. My basic premise is that you can not call the Packers/Steelers/49ers/Cowboys a dynasty and not put the Patriots in with that same group. I stand by that argument.How is Bob Ryan making the same argument as HERD? He is making the same argument as Wood and you cant even see the difference.You and Collin can stroke each other all you want with your and smilies all you want. It doesnt make you right.I'm with abrecher, you are having a problem comprehending what the actual argument is.