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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (3 Viewers)

Percent of NFL teams actively trying to steal play sheets?

  • 0%

    Votes: 90 33.0%
  • 25%

    Votes: 91 33.3%
  • 50%

    Votes: 19 7.0%
  • 75%

    Votes: 16 5.9%
  • 100%

    Votes: 57 20.9%

  • Total voters
    273
The jealousy of consistent success is palpable in this thread. Run the Pats-Indy game 20 times and 16-18 of them turn out the exact same way. Indy was powerless on offense, ridiculous on defense, and was coached by a staff that wasn't ready for the exact same barrage that NE has deployed on Luck on multiple occasions since he joined the league.

I'm not a Pats fan but Go Pats. I would like it if my team didn't just aspire to be a bunch of lovable losers.

But, by all means, let's bring the pitchforks and pretend like the body of work NE has put up in the parity era isn't stunningly awesome.

 
Let's talk for a second about the word "cheating" and how the media affects perceptions.

Last year, the Seahawks won the Super Bowl with more players on their roster caught using performance enhancing drugs than any team in the league (Denver was second).
Stop. We literally just answered this. Seattle had ONE active player on their team suspended for PED use. ONE.

 
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The jealousy of consistent success is palpable in this thread. Run the Pats-Indy game 20 times and 16-18 of them turn out the exact same way. Indy was powerless on offense, ridiculous on defense, and was coached by a staff that wasn't ready for the exact same barrage that NE has deployed on Luck on multiple occasions since he joined the league.

I'm not a Pats fan but Go Pats. I would like it if my team didn't just aspire to be a bunch of lovable losers.

But, by all means, let's bring the pitchforks and pretend like the body of work NE has put up in the parity era isn't stunningly awesome.
No, wait... guys.

The Aristocrat!

 
RUSF18 said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This reminds me of the George Brett pine tar incident.

So listening to Jerry Austin (long time, maybe 20+ year ref) on Dan Patrick he says that the footballs were never, ever checked in all his years of being a ref.

So it sounds like this is the kind of thing that could have been going on for a while, and nobody ever dd anything about it or asked for a check.

Just like George Brett, they're going to make an example out of him.

The Pats and BB desrve to be where they are and Roger Goodell will continue to be a monkey who simply jumps and dances whenever he thinks he hears the tune of bad pr playing.
Workhorse said:
Matt Leinart weighing in:

Matt Leinart ‏@MattLeinartQB 5m5 minutes ago

Every team tampers with the footballs. Ask any Qb In the league, this is ridiculous!!
Re: what you said about Austin, and in response to this tweet, Peter King said that while doing a story on Gene Steratore and his crew, he personally witnessed him checking every ball on both sides of a game Leinart played in (well, dressed in).
Ok but what about at halftime?

 
If this really is rampant I feel bad for all the teams that cheat and still suck.

If this isn't rampant I feel even worse for the teams that suck and don't cheat.

It's entertaining watching you guys get apoplectic yet again while I look forward to watching my team in yet another superbowl. I love watching this team. If they're really pumping hot air in the footballs then lol. Actual genius not just football genius imo.
I find it hard to believe it'd be possible to fill footballs full of hot air, but if that's what's going on I guarantee you patricia thought it up
Not hard really. To get the 2 psi pressure drop you just need air that is 40 degrees warmer than the temperature outside (during the game the temp was around 45. So any room where the heat was say 85 degrees plus would work (a sauna for instance or just an office with the heat cranked up). Then you just pump in air with a hand pump to the correct pressure.

Over time the temperature inside the ball will decrease which will also decrease the pressure of the ball.
thought somebody said it was 40 degrees per lb

 
Let's talk for a second about the word "cheating" and how the media affects perceptions.

Last year, the Seahawks won the Super Bowl with more players on their roster caught using performance enhancing drugs than any team in the league (Denver was second).

On the spectrum of cheating, it simply doesn't get much worse than this. But did the media call it Steroid-Gate? Did they once use the word "cheaters" to refer to the Seahawks? Of course not. Because that wasn't the storyline they chose.

Now let's look at what the Patriots are being accused of and why everyone has labeled them cheaters and undeserving of the Super Bowl: They might have let a tiny amount of air out of some footballs - an amount so small that even the refs couldn't notice when handling them. An advantage so negligible, that when the balls were taken out of play, the patriots actually performed better.

At worst, using slightly under-inflated balls without the refs noticing is akin to getting away with a pass interference call.

Ask yourself this - Is it possible for a team to do something any less serious and any more insignificant and still be labelled cheaters? (if you can think of something, let me know, I'm honestly curious)

Add the word "gate" to the most mundane act and it will sound like a scandal. But that doesn't make it a scandal, that's manipulation. And if it were any other team, this wouldn't make a single headline.
If a few guys on a team target players is it called bounty-gate?

No, it was because it was something led by a coach on a higher scale.

If the SEA coaching staff was found guilty of getting their players on PEDs as a whole then yes it would be.

Im sure NE players have been disciplined for PEDs and never accused of cheating either.

If this was just Brady doing this then he should be suspended. If it was from someone higher in the organization then yes it is more serious of an offense.

 
It's interesting how anyone against the Pats on this issue is immediately labeled a hater. For the record, I'm not. I respect how they run their franchise. Accumulating picks, the creativity, etc are all admirable traits.

But they're cheaters. Deal with it.

 
Let's talk for a second about the word "cheating" and how the media affects perceptions.

Last year, the Seahawks won the Super Bowl with more players on their roster caught using performance enhancing drugs than any team in the league (Denver was second).

On the spectrum of cheating, it simply doesn't get much worse than this. But did the media call it Steroid-Gate? Did they once use the word "cheaters" to refer to the Seahawks? Of course not. Because that wasn't the storyline they chose.

Now let's look at what the Patriots are being accused of and why everyone has labeled them cheaters and undeserving of the Super Bowl: They might have let a tiny amount of air out of some footballs - an amount so small that even the refs couldn't notice when handling them. An advantage so negligible, that when the balls were taken out of play, the patriots actually performed better.

At worst, using slightly under-inflated balls without the refs noticing is akin to getting away with a pass interference call.

Ask yourself this - Is it possible for a team to do something any less serious and any more insignificant and still be labelled cheaters? (if you can think of something, let me know, I'm honestly curious)

Add the word "gate" to the most mundane act and it will sound like a scandal. But that doesn't make it a scandal, that's manipulation. And if it were any other team, this wouldn't make a single headline.
If a few guys on a team target players is it called bounty-gate?

No, it was because it was something led by a coach on a higher scale.

If the SEA coaching staff was found guilty of getting their players on PEDs as a whole then yes it would be.

Im sure NE players have been disciplined for PEDs and never accused of cheating either.

If this was just Brady doing this then he should be suspended. If it was from someone higher in the organization then yes it is more serious of an offense.
Actually as I recall Goodell dropped that charge when called on it. In other words, he was FOS. Just as he is now, he is the Inspector Renault of sports.

 
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It's interesting how anyone against the Pats on this issue is immediately labeled a hater. For the record, I'm not. I respect how they run their franchise. Accumulating picks, the creativity, etc are all admirable traits.

But they're cheaters. Deal with it.
Haters gonna hate ;)

 
Patriot fans are like the cheating ##### bag boyfriend who calls all of his girlfriend's friends #####es because they call him out for his cheating. Like its their fault and they're just jealous, not that he is a cheater.

Blame us for not liking cheaters.

I get it, if it was my team I would like to celebrate in our success and ignore accusations. But don't come on message boards and try celebrating your team. You look foolish. They cheated(if true), and you cant call it anything other than that. The rules were made for a purpose. It doesn't matter if they are dumb rules, or if other teams break the rules. If you broke them you are a cheater. Bottom line
don't you get tired of typing the word cheater? We get it, you've said the same thing in almost every post.

But yes, rules are made for a purpose. But what is the rule? Is the rule that you have to hand in balls 2 hours before game time within a given PSI? If so, they did that and did not cheat. If they let air out of the balls after, that is cheating. If they found a loophole and pumped up the ball in a warm office so it may soften up a bit before gametime, they are working within the rules of the nfl.

 
If this really is rampant I feel bad for all the teams that cheat and still suck.

If this isn't rampant I feel even worse for the teams that suck and don't cheat.

It's entertaining watching you guys get apoplectic yet again while I look forward to watching my team in yet another superbowl. I love watching this team. If they're really pumping hot air in the footballs then lol. Actual genius not just football genius imo.
I find it hard to believe it'd be possible to fill footballs full of hot air, but if that's what's going on I guarantee you patricia thought it up
Not hard really. To get the 2 psi pressure drop you just need air that is 40 degrees warmer than the temperature outside (during the game the temp was around 45. So any room where the heat was say 85 degrees plus would work (a sauna for instance or just an office with the heat cranked up). Then you just pump in air with a hand pump to the correct pressure.

Over time the temperature inside the ball will decrease which will also decrease the pressure of the ball.
thought somebody said it was 40 degrees per lb
it's not a linear relationship, but over the temp range we are talking about it's closer to 20 deg for 1 PSI.
 
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Workhorse said:
CR69 said:
I find it amusing how Patriots fans try to claim that every team does things like this and what happened during spygate, yet no other team gets accused or caught doing it. Just admit that Belichick does everything he can to gain an advantage, including cheating, and own it.
Why do these things need to be mutually exclusive? I think they are both true.
Spot on. Yes, it's very disappointing to see deceptive practices (at best) from the team you support. It's also quite naive to believe there is only one set of coaches/staff/players in a billion dollar industry that are pushing every rule in their chase for wins, job security, and money.

 
So now what happens? The NFL has determined Brady played with soft balls. Did Darth know about Brady's soft balls? Was Brady the only one with knowledge of the soft balls? Did anyone on The Colts notice Brady had soft balls? What should be the penalty,if any,from the league? If a player can get only a two game suspension for hitting his girlfriend/wife would the penalty for soft balls only be 1 game? Did Brady's wife know about the soft balls? Or has she been silent about it? So many questions <_<

 
The jealousy of consistent success is palpable in this thread. Run the Pats-Indy game 20 times and 16-18 of them turn out the exact same way. Indy was powerless on offense, ridiculous on defense, and was coached by a staff that wasn't ready for the exact same barrage that NE has deployed on Luck on multiple occasions since he joined the league.

I'm not a Pats fan but Go Pats. I would like it if my team didn't just aspire to be a bunch of lovable losers.

But, by all means, let's bring the pitchforks and pretend like the body of work NE has put up in the parity era isn't stunningly awesome.
Seems like a pretty dumb game to cheat in then, but that's what they did.

But hey, when the punishment is only for future draft picks and maybe a few bucks, why not? They (stupidly) don't have to vacate the win.

 
So now what happens? The NFL has determined Brady played with soft balls. Did Darth know about Brady's soft balls? Was Brady the only one with knowledge of the soft balls? Did anyone on The Colts notice Brady had soft balls? What should be the penalty,if any,from the league? If a player can get only a two game suspension for hitting his girlfriend/wife would the penalty for soft balls only be 1 game? Did Brady's wife know about the soft balls? Or has she been silent about it? So many questions <_<
This is cute. See, you dumb guys in the SP? This places arched-brow irony, sci-fi references, and ball jokes in the same post. It's so clever.

Good work, Rubi.

 
Being a dad had given me a lot of perspective on things like this. For example, before my kid started having tantrums over silly things i never thought crying was funny.
Being a dad should give you the perspective that cheating is cheating and if they are found to have broken the rules that it is wrong of them and winning does not out weigh cheating.
You're talking to a fan of the team that brought out a snowplow in the middle of a timeout so their kicker could get a clean kick... and now has an exhibit in their hall of fame about it. Look it up, though - it wasn't against the rules. If the patriots want to angle shoot - like pumping a ball with hot air before the weigh in - then I say go for it. There's no rule about the air temperature. There are clear rules about the weight at weigh in and rules defining what should be done if a deflated ball is found mid game. It was, and they took the ball out. Sounds like the process worked to me.

 
Tone down the doosh factor and read the post just above yours. This type of thing is pretty common in the NFL. But it is also cheating and deserves punishment.
I agree that contradicting you is not fun. But you're experiencing dissonance here. The cheating may very well have made a big difference in both regular season games and playoff games.

People are ignoring Baltimore.

 
Aaron Schatz summed up my feelings perfectly so this will be my last post in this thread:

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 6m6 minutes ago

Just because everyone goes 70 on the highway doesn't mean you can ignore ticket when you get caught going 85. But the fine isn't "death."

 
The General said:
Pretty much everyone agrees this isn't a big deal, right?

However, everyone would also agree that changing the balls to a condition outside the rules after they have been OK'd game ready by the refs is a bit shady, right?

That's different than Eli doing witchcraft to his ball, or Rodgers filling them up. Those are OK'd by the refs and not changed after.

Lord, the game can't get here quick enough.
That's the key question in my mind. Not trying to say "everyone does it" but the Aaron Rodgers quote about submitting balls that are over the limit, and see if the refs notice and let some air out is not a punishable offense.

If the patriots submitted balls that were under-inflated for inspection, and the refs let it slide, I don't think that's punishable. If they doctored the balls after they submitted them, roast 'em. Fine, suspension, and wouldn't be too surprised to see Kraft fire BB if he's behind it.

 
The jealousy of consistent success is palpable in this thread. Run the Pats-Indy game 20 times and 16-18 of them turn out the exact same way. Indy was powerless on offense, ridiculous on defense, and was coached by a staff that wasn't ready for the exact same barrage that NE has deployed on Luck on multiple occasions since he joined the league.

I'm not a Pats fan but Go Pats. I would like it if my team didn't just aspire to be a bunch of lovable losers.

But, by all means, let's bring the pitchforks and pretend like the body of work NE has put up in the parity era isn't stunningly awesome.
Seems like a pretty dumb game to cheat in then, but that's what they did.

But hey, when the punishment is only for future draft picks and maybe a few bucks, why not? They (stupidly) don't have to vacate the win.
This was probably SOP -- I doubt they cheated like this just this one time.

 
Being a dad had given me a lot of perspective on things like this. For example, before my kid started having tantrums over silly things i never thought crying was funny.
Being a dad should give you the perspective that cheating is cheating and if they are found to have broken the rules that it is wrong of them and winning does not out weigh cheating.
You're talking to a fan of the team that brought out a snowplow in the middle of a timeout so their kicker could get a clean kick... and now has an exhibit in their hall of fame about it. Look it up, though - it wasn't against the rules.If the patriots want to angle shoot - like pumping a ball with hot air before the weigh in - then I say go for it. There's no rule about the air temperature. There are clear rules about the weight at weigh in and rules defining what should be done if a deflated ball is found mid game. It was, and they took the ball out. Sounds like the process worked to me.
The snow plow should have been stopped by the refs, the fault was on them.

If some of the calls that happen in the league ever get "investigated" well then that would be a glorious day.

 
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The jealousy of consistent success is palpable in this thread. Run the Pats-Indy game 20 times and 16-18 of them turn out the exact same way. Indy was powerless on offense, ridiculous on defense, and was coached by a staff that wasn't ready for the exact same barrage that NE has deployed on Luck on multiple occasions since he joined the league.

I'm not a Pats fan but Go Pats. I would like it if my team didn't just aspire to be a bunch of lovable losers.

But, by all means, let's bring the pitchforks and pretend like the body of work NE has put up in the parity era isn't stunningly awesome.
Stop with the logic. It's not welcome in here.

 
If this really is rampant I feel bad for all the teams that cheat and still suck.

If this isn't rampant I feel even worse for the teams that suck and don't cheat.

It's entertaining watching you guys get apoplectic yet again while I look forward to watching my team in yet another superbowl. I love watching this team. If they're really pumping hot air in the footballs then lol. Actual genius not just football genius imo.
I find it hard to believe it'd be possible to fill footballs full of hot air, but if that's what's going on I guarantee you patricia thought it up
Not hard really. To get the 2 psi pressure drop you just need air that is 40 degrees warmer than the temperature outside (during the game the temp was around 45. So any room where the heat was say 85 degrees plus would work (a sauna for instance or just an office with the heat cranked up). Then you just pump in air with a hand pump to the correct pressure.

Over time the temperature inside the ball will decrease which will also decrease the pressure of the ball.
thought somebody said it was 40 degrees per lb
No its a 40 degree F temperature difference to get a 2 psi pressure drop. Its about 20 degrees F per lb. Its a few pages back.

 
The jealousy of consistent success is palpable in this thread. Run the Pats-Indy game 20 times and 16-18 of them turn out the exact same way. Indy was powerless on offense, ridiculous on defense, and was coached by a staff that wasn't ready for the exact same barrage that NE has deployed on Luck on multiple occasions since he joined the league.

I'm not a Pats fan but Go Pats. I would like it if my team didn't just aspire to be a bunch of lovable losers.

But, by all means, let's bring the pitchforks and pretend like the body of work NE has put up in the parity era isn't stunningly awesome.
Stop with the logic. It's not welcome in here.
You've been trolling for the Pats for the past few weeks.

Really, in my book, your impartiality is unwanted. It's not genuine. You've been trolling for a while now.

 
wow I think theres a growing chance he gets suspended for the game... I would be he gets to chose the game or all next season... I would imagine he chooses the game

for the record I don't agree with this but its weird how these media circles are marshaling

 
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Workhorse said:
CR69 said:
I find it amusing how Patriots fans try to claim that every team does things like this and what happened during spygate, yet no other team gets accused or caught doing it. Just admit that Belichick does everything he can to gain an advantage, including cheating, and own it.
Why do these things need to be mutually exclusive? I think they are both true.
Spot on. Yes, it's very disappointing to see deceptive practices (at best) from the team you support. It's also quite naive to believe there is only one set of coaches/staff/players in a billion dollar industry that are pushing every rule in their chase for wins, job security, and money.
IF the Patriots get caught.....again. That's all that matters. If you get caught, you pay the piper. They need to lose their 1st and 2nd rd picks this year and lower their salary cap $$$$ significantly. Belichick and the Patriots needs to be a taught that if they cheat, they're going to get hammered...period!!

 
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I keep seeing Pats fans saying something about hot air being pumped into the balls. Is there proof or is this just them being silly?

If I had to believe one of the two, either they cheated and deflated balls or they pumped hot air into the balls pregame, well like most Im leaning to the cheating side.

And someone said I keep using the word cheating...yeah. That's kind of the idea. They cheated. That's what you are going to get called.

 
wow I think theres a growing chance he gets suspended for the game... I would be he gets to chose the game or all next season... I would imagine he chooses the game

for the record I don't agree with this but its weird how these media circles are marshaling
Deflating footballs clearly doesn't merit a huge sanction by itself. It's the fact that that cheating scandals follow this particular team/coach that make a more severe penalty warranted. The fact that we're talking about the same guy who got busted for spygate matters a lot.

 
wow I think theres a growing chance he gets suspended for the game... I would be he gets to chose the game or all next season... I would imagine he chooses the game

for the record I don't agree with this but its weird how these media circles are marshaling
I'm hearing from some pepes with connections that BB is going to be suspended for the Super Bowl.
 
The jealousy of consistent success is palpable in this thread. Run the Pats-Indy game 20 times and 16-18 of them turn out the exact same way. Indy was powerless on offense, ridiculous on defense, and was coached by a staff that wasn't ready for the exact same barrage that NE has deployed on Luck on multiple occasions since he joined the league.

I'm not a Pats fan but Go Pats. I would like it if my team didn't just aspire to be a bunch of lovable losers.

But, by all means, let's bring the pitchforks and pretend like the body of work NE has put up in the parity era isn't stunningly awesome.
Stop with the logic. It's not welcome in here.
You've been trolling for the Pats for the past few weeks.

Really, in my book, your impartiality is unwanted. It's not genuine. You've been trolling for a while now.
Mine or his? I am impartial. I'm an Eagles fan (I know, I know)... I have no reason to love the Pats.

I just hate in sports when people take a media-driven story, twist facts, make total blanketed judgements, and think by saying the word 'cheater' 100 times, it makes themselves right and discounts the other team.

The Patriots' success has been amazing, and it hasn't been because of any "allegations". As much as people use the 'no superbowls' 'proof', there's also proof that they've had a better record since spygate. They played better without said deflated balls. But the complete one-track mind of Pats haters is just absurd to me, as only evidence that helps their case is every acknowledged with an objective mind. The "ya but cheaters" responses in here are so biased and don't open up good conversation and reasoning.

Regardless, I'm interested to see what exactly happened from this, and like that CBS article mentions, this is nothing so out of the ordinary to rush to boards to try to discount what the Patriots have accomplished. If they lose the Super Bowl (like the odds suggest they will), then there may be an ounce of reasoning behind them not winning fairly. But we all know those balls on Feb 1st will be bang on proper PSI so we'll see what happens then.

 
I keep seeing Pats fans saying something about hot air being pumped into the balls. Is there proof or is this just them being silly?

If I had to believe one of the two, either they cheated and deflated balls or they pumped hot air into the balls pregame, well like most Im leaning to the cheating side.

And someone said I keep using the word cheating...yeah. That's kind of the idea. They cheated. That's what you are going to get called.
So where's your proof that they cheated? If you're so hell bent on saying they cheated then you surely must have proof. Innocent until proven guilty right? Please show me how you and the league came to the conclusion that they cheated.

 
This is funny. Other players have said they have done it. Some have wrote about in books, some have bribed people to do it. Was there this much back lash when they admitted it or where caught? Nope, why? Because haters going to hate. I hope that the Pats win the super bowl on a touchdown with no time left on the clock and then Belichick runs onto the field with a tire pump in his hand and deflates the ball and then spikes it in the endzone.

 
Workhorse said:
CR69 said:
I find it amusing how Patriots fans try to claim that every team does things like this and what happened during spygate, yet no other team gets accused or caught doing it. Just admit that Belichick does everything he can to gain an advantage, including cheating, and own it.
Why do these things need to be mutually exclusive? I think they are both true.
Spot on. Yes, it's very disappointing to see deceptive practices (at best) from the team you support. It's also quite naive to believe there is only one set of coaches/staff/players in a billion dollar industry that are pushing every rule in their chase for wins, job security, and money.
IF the Patriots get caught.....again. That's all that matters. If you get caught, you pay the piper. They need to lose their 1st and 2nd rd picks this year and lower their salary cap $$$$ significantly. Belichick and the Patriots needs to be a taught that if they cheat, they're going to get hammered...period!!
Dude....I hate the Pats as much as the next guy, but come on.

 
wow I think theres a growing chance he gets suspended for the game... I would be he gets to chose the game or all next season... I would imagine he chooses the game

for the record I don't agree with this but its weird how these media circles are marshaling
Deflating footballs clearly doesn't merit a huge sanction by itself. It's the fact that that cheating scandals follow this particular team/coach that make a more severe penalty warranted. The fact that we're talking about the same guy who got busted for spygate matters a lot.
I can't disagree on the basis... but after hearing so much about how other QBs manipulate balls, I don't know that this deserves the hammer. But I guess if the momentum is going the wrong way and if Goodell wants to finally show some backbone on a signficant manner, he will drop that hammer indeed

 
wow I think theres a growing chance he gets suspended for the game... I would be he gets to chose the game or all next season... I would imagine he chooses the game

for the record I don't agree with this but its weird how these media circles are marshaling
I'm hearing from some pepes with connections that BB is going to be suspended for the Super Bowl.
Fg sheet, Goodell is nuts.

 
Workhorse said:
CR69 said:
I find it amusing how Patriots fans try to claim that every team does things like this and what happened during spygate, yet no other team gets accused or caught doing it. Just admit that Belichick does everything he can to gain an advantage, including cheating, and own it.
Why do these things need to be mutually exclusive? I think they are both true.
Spot on. Yes, it's very disappointing to see deceptive practices (at best) from the team you support. It's also quite naive to believe there is only one set of coaches/staff/players in a billion dollar industry that are pushing every rule in their chase for wins, job security, and money.
IF the Patriots get caught.....again. That's all that matters. If you get caught, you pay the piper. They need to lose their 1st and 2nd rd picks this year and lower their salary cap $$$$ significantly. Belichick and the Patriots needs to be a taught that if they cheat, they're going to get hammered...period!!
the funny thing is that even if this actually happened they still be beating the colts ### next year

 
I keep seeing Pats fans saying something about hot air being pumped into the balls. Is there proof or is this just them being silly?

If I had to believe one of the two, either they cheated and deflated balls or they pumped hot air into the balls pregame, well like most Im leaning to the cheating side.

And someone said I keep using the word cheating...yeah. That's kind of the idea. They cheated. That's what you are going to get called.
Yes, but you're not adding much to a conversation just using that word. You're free to speak as you wish, but try something other then blanketing an entire situation with a word before we know all the facts.

I agree with you, either they disobeyed the rules (and cheated) by deflating the balls, or they pumped warm air into them. If it's proven that someone deflated them by hand, then that will be a blow to the team for sure. Until then, screaming "cheater" every time you're proven wrong, someone makes a logical point or someone says something positive about The Patriots doesn't really show much unbiased thought out points.

 
This is funny. Other players have said they have done it. Some have wrote about in books, some have bribed people to do it. Was there this much back lash when they admitted it or where caught? Nope, why? Because haters going to hate. I hope that the Pats win the super bowl on a touchdown with no time left on the clock and then Belichick runs onto the field with a tire pump in his hand and deflates the ball and then spikes it in the endzone.
lol

 
I keep seeing Pats fans saying something about hot air being pumped into the balls. Is there proof or is this just them being silly?

If I had to believe one of the two, either they cheated and deflated balls or they pumped hot air into the balls pregame, well like most Im leaning to the cheating side.

And someone said I keep using the word cheating...yeah. That's kind of the idea. They cheated. That's what you are going to get called.
So where's your proof that they cheated? If you're so hell bent on saying they cheated then you surely must have proof. Innocent until proven guilty right? Please show me how you and the league came to the conclusion that they cheated.
That is why I said, if it had to believe one based off of the evidence found I would lean towards them cheating. Based off of what evidence that the NFL has found already and the opinion of people around the league its looking more like cheating. And those who are trying to say they filled the balls with hot air are more likely grasping at straws.

 

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