Patriots being investigated after Colts game (3 Viewers)

[amnesiac]

Say the Colts won. Would this even be a story?

Being the patriots, yes. Any other team, probably not.

disagree. if Colts were winning they never would have brought it up.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

D'Qwell Jackson did not snitch. The initial report reads that he intercepted the pass and gave the ball to the Colts equipment manager....

probably to keep for him as a "this is the ball that I intercepted in the AFC championship game" thing.

The Colts equipment manager is the one who noticed the ball was slightly under-inflated and took it to the team higher ups.

Media screwed up this part of the story as well saying D'Qwell noticed under inflation. Just because the media prints it, doesn't meen they are right.

I don't think the media even screwed it up. That's exactly what they reported on ESPN the first day. That the equipment manager brought it up after the Jackson INT. It just got lost in translation through the forum that people started saying Jackson was the one that noticed. I don't think the media (at least not ESPN) ever even reported that. I remember watching the story break on ESPN and them specifically saying that it was the equipment manager that noticed.

There were multiple versions of questions today to Brady about why Jackson could notice the ball and not Tom. Think the hack Ron Borges was asking them pretty forcefully.

 

[Raider Nation]

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[Run It Up]

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The man knows his balls.

 

[moleculo]

so I didn't see the Belichick or Brady press conferences today. I'm assuming that the New England Patriots have hired an external investigator, or launched an internal inquiry, or whatever to get to the bottom of this?

What is it that college football teams do when facing allegations to try to self-police? Don't they usually try to do something so the NCAA doesn't come down hard on them? I'm assuming the Patriots would do the same, no?

 

[[icon]]

Say the Colts won. Would this even be a story?

HAHAHAHA...the colts win....thats funny HAHAHAHA

Colts are the rag the patriots use to clean up with after they pleasure their supermodel wives.

 

[[icon]]

so I didn't see the Belichick or Brady press conferences today. I'm assuming that the New England Patriots have hired an external investigator, or launched an internal inquiry, or whatever to get to the bottom of this?

What is it that college football teams do when facing allegations to try to self-police? Don't they usually try to do something so the NCAA doesn't come down hard on them? I'm assuming the Patriots would do the same, no?

Kinda focused on that 4th Super Bowl in a little over a decade right now. Imo they'll let the tinfoil hatters settle for the 5mins of salary fine the NFL investigation will yeild... If anything.

 

[Old Smiley]

The league's investigating, they're cooperating. Commish silence a joke. I'm surprised this league can pass water.

 

[devouredbychaos]

So the Patriots were using the Colts balls in the first half, as confirmed by Jackson. So this essentially means the Colts were cheating or trying to set the Pats up somehow? Wow.

 

[moleculo]

So the Patriots were using the Colts balls in the first half, as confirmed by Jackson. So this essentially means the Colts were cheating or trying to set the Pats up somehow? Wow.

no, it means the refs took the pats balls out of play prior to halftime.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

FYI, in basketball the home team gets to put whatever pressure they want into the ball, within reason.

They use the same ball in basketball. HTH

 

[PatsWillWin]

so I didn't see the Belichick or Brady press conferences today. I'm assuming that the New England Patriots have hired an external investigator, or launched an internal inquiry, or whatever to get to the bottom of this?

What is it that college football teams do when facing allegations to try to self-police? Don't they usually try to do something so the NCAA doesn't come down hard on them? I'm assuming the Patriots would do the same, no?

Why would you assume the Patriots would do what the NCAA does?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

For those of you that have already formed the opinion that the Pats were cheating and Belichick and Brady were lying today...is there anything that can come out that would cause you to change your opinion? I realize the NFL has not provided a single detail about their investigation yet but even if they find no reason to believe the Pats did anything would you just assume the league is covering up?

I'm a Pats fan and at this point I want to hear from the league before making a final judgement. I certainly understand those that don't give the benefit of the doubt and based on what the league reports my opinion on this situation could definitely shift. I don't have a ton of faith in the league offices but a fine only would put this thing to rest for me. A fine plus a loss of draft picks and/or suspensions would get me pretty pissed off at the team and resigned to the fact that a win a week from Sunday would seem a sham to many NFL fans.

 

[devouredbychaos]

So the Patriots were using the Colts balls in the first half, as confirmed by Jackson. So this essentially means the Colts were cheating or trying to set the Pats up somehow? Wow.

no, it means the refs took the pats balls out of play prior to halftime.

The Patriots had 12 backup balls. Wouldn't they have given them instead? Sounding more and more like a big sham to me.

 

[12punch]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

 

[devouredbychaos]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

COLTS=CHEATERS!!!

lol

 

[moleculo]

so I didn't see the Belichick or Brady press conferences today. I'm assuming that the New England Patriots have hired an external investigator, or launched an internal inquiry, or whatever to get to the bottom of this?

What is it that college football teams do when facing allegations to try to self-police? Don't they usually try to do something so the NCAA doesn't come down hard on them? I'm assuming the Patriots would do the same, no?

Why would you assume the Patriots would do what the NCAA does?

I'm trying to give the Patriots the benefit of doubt, assuming they act like most ethical organizations would.

 

[JohnnyU]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

Not awesome, because all of NE balls were tainted, so they had to close the half using the Colts ball.

 

[12punch]

Say the Colts won. Would this even be a story?

well, if we can suspend disbelief enough to give the colts a win then we could have rocket cars in the thing and the federation of planets would make this story their bible

 

[PatsWillWin]

so I didn't see the Belichick or Brady press conferences today. I'm assuming that the New England Patriots have hired an external investigator, or launched an internal inquiry, or whatever to get to the bottom of this?

What is it that college football teams do when facing allegations to try to self-police? Don't they usually try to do something so the NCAA doesn't come down hard on them? I'm assuming the Patriots would do the same, no?

Why would you assume the Patriots would do what the NCAA does?

I'm trying to give the Patriots the benefit of doubt, assuming they act like most ethical organizations would.

Oh, I didn't know the NCAA stood as the measuring stick for ethical organizations, my bad.

Did the Saints hire external investigators during Bountygate? Or any other team investigated for anything?

 

[HughHoney]

Mark Brunell was brought to tears. https://twitter.com/fsmikey/status/558382190707625984

 

[JohnnyU]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

COLTS=CHEATERS!!!

lol

You seem to struggle .

 

[PatsWillWin]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

Not awesome, because all of NE balls were tainted, so they had to close the half using the Colts ball.

Still making up fairy tales I see.

 

[JohnnyU]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

Not awesome, because all of NE balls were tainted, so they had to close the half using the Colts ball.

Still making up fairy tales I see.

Keep up

 

[moleculo]

For those of you that have already formed the opinion that the Pats were cheating and Belichick and Brady were lying today...is there anything that can come out that would cause you to change your opinion? I realize the NFL has not provided a single detail about their investigation yet but even if they find no reason to believe the Pats did anything would you just assume the league is covering up?

I'm a Pats fan and at this point I want to hear from the league before making a final judgement. I certainly understand those that don't give the benefit of the doubt and based on what the league reports my opinion on this situation could definitely shift. I don't have a ton of faith in the league offices but a fine only would put this thing to rest for me. A fine plus a loss of draft picks and/or suspensions would get me pretty pissed off at the team and resigned to the fact that a win a week from Sunday would seem a sham to many NFL fans.

yup. They could come out and say that after an internal investigation, they learned that their equipment routinely submits balls slightly under-inflated, under the assumption that the pressure cited in the rule book was more of a guideline because ultimately, acceptance of the balls was per the referees discretion. After all, if the refs so chose, they were provided a gauge and a pump and it was their responsibility to correct for any discrepancy.

 

[PatsWillWin]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

Not awesome, because all of NE balls were tainted, so they had to close the half using the Colts ball.

Still making up fairy tales I see.

Keep up

Sorry, I haven't kept up. Can I get a link?

TIA

 

[devouredbychaos]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

Not awesome, because all of NE balls were tainted, so they had to close the half using the Colts ball.

NE had 12 backup balls that were inflated to the league limit. How come they weren't using those then?? Seems like the tainted balls originated from the Colts..shocking!

 

[moleculo]

so I didn't see the Belichick or Brady press conferences today. I'm assuming that the New England Patriots have hired an external investigator, or launched an internal inquiry, or whatever to get to the bottom of this?

What is it that college football teams do when facing allegations to try to self-police? Don't they usually try to do something so the NCAA doesn't come down hard on them? I'm assuming the Patriots would do the same, no?

Why would you assume the Patriots would do what the NCAA does?

I'm trying to give the Patriots the benefit of doubt, assuming they act like most ethical organizations would.

Oh, I didn't know the NCAA stood as the measuring stick for ethical organizations, my bad.

Did the Saints hire external investigators during Bountygate? Or any other team investigated for anything?

I don't know. I'm pretty sure Penn State did. a quick google search shows that U of Miami imposed self sanctions.

 

[JohnnyU]

For those of you that have already formed the opinion that the Pats were cheating and Belichick and Brady were lying today...is there anything that can come out that would cause you to change your opinion? I realize the NFL has not provided a single detail about their investigation yet but even if they find no reason to believe the Pats did anything would you just assume the league is covering up?

I'm a Pats fan and at this point I want to hear from the league before making a final judgement. I certainly understand those that don't give the benefit of the doubt and based on what the league reports my opinion on this situation could definitely shift. I don't have a ton of faith in the league offices but a fine only would put this thing to rest for me. A fine plus a loss of draft picks and/or suspensions would get me pretty pissed off at the team and resigned to the fact that a win a week from Sunday would seem a sham to many NFL fans.

yup. They could come out and say that after an internal investigation, they learned that their equipment routinely submits balls slightly under-inflated, under the assumption that the pressure cited in the rule book was more of a guideline because ultimately, acceptance of the balls was per the referees discretion. After all, if the refs so chose, they were provided a gauge and a pump and it was their responsibility to correct for any discrepancy.

That would be the ultimate defection.

 

[JohnnyU]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

Not awesome, because all of NE balls were tainted, so they had to close the half using the Colts ball.

NE had 12 backup balls that were inflated to the league limit. How come they weren't using those then?? Seems like the tainted balls originated from the Colts..shocking!

You can't possibly be this dumb and I mean that in nicest possible way.

 

[12punch]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

Not awesome, because all of NE balls were tainted, so they had to close the half using the Colts ball.

aren't they intrinsically tainted by virtue of being new england balls?

 

[PatsWillWin]

so I didn't see the Belichick or Brady press conferences today. I'm assuming that the New England Patriots have hired an external investigator, or launched an internal inquiry, or whatever to get to the bottom of this?

What is it that college football teams do when facing allegations to try to self-police? Don't they usually try to do something so the NCAA doesn't come down hard on them? I'm assuming the Patriots would do the same, no?

Why would you assume the Patriots would do what the NCAA does?

I'm trying to give the Patriots the benefit of doubt, assuming they act like most ethical organizations would.

Oh, I didn't know the NCAA stood as the measuring stick for ethical organizations, my bad.

Did the Saints hire external investigators during Bountygate? Or any other team investigated for anything?

I don't know. I'm pretty sure Penn State did. a quick google search shows that U of Miami imposed self sanctions.

Sorry I have to pick up the pieces of my brain. It exploded when you called Penn State an ethical organization.

 

[12punch]

For those of you that have already formed the opinion that the Pats were cheating and Belichick and Brady were lying today...is there anything that can come out that would cause you to change your opinion? I realize the NFL has not provided a single detail about their investigation yet but even if they find no reason to believe the Pats did anything would you just assume the league is covering up?

I'm a Pats fan and at this point I want to hear from the league before making a final judgement. I certainly understand those that don't give the benefit of the doubt and based on what the league reports my opinion on this situation could definitely shift. I don't have a ton of faith in the league offices but a fine only would put this thing to rest for me. A fine plus a loss of draft picks and/or suspensions would get me pretty pissed off at the team and resigned to the fact that a win a week from Sunday would seem a sham to many NFL fans.

yup. They could come out and say that after an internal investigation, they learned that their equipment routinely submits balls slightly under-inflated, under the assumption that the pressure cited in the rule book was more of a guideline because ultimately, acceptance of the balls was per the referees discretion. After all, if the refs so chose, they were provided a gauge and a pump and it was their responsibility to correct for any discrepancy.

think they probably hired the honeybadger ---- no, not the football one

 

[devouredbychaos]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

Not awesome, because all of NE balls were tainted, so they had to close the half using the Colts ball.

NE had 12 backup balls that were inflated to the league limit. How come they weren't using those then?? Seems like the tainted balls originated from the Colts..shocking!

You can't possibly be this dumb and I mean that in nicest possible way.

Nice deflection. Looks like we found the REAL cheaters! It all adds up now.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Pats fans are a very entertaining group.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This whole thing is hilarious.

To further cloud the issue, Indianapolis Colts linebacker DQwell Jackson, who says he didnt snitch on the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, told NFL Medias Jeff Darlington on Thursday that Brady was using a Colts football at the end of the first half Sunday night

awesome

Not awesome, because all of NE balls were tainted, so they had to close the half using the Colts ball.

Still making up fairy tales I see.

Dude...hes the ultimate colts fan...what would we expect him to say? Johnny U loves you know who

 

[Workhorse]

For those of you that have already formed the opinion that the Pats were cheating and Belichick and Brady were lying today...is there anything that can come out that would cause you to change your opinion? I realize the NFL has not provided a single detail about their investigation yet but even if they find no reason to believe the Pats did anything would you just assume the league is covering up?

I'm a Pats fan and at this point I want to hear from the league before making a final judgement. I certainly understand those that don't give the benefit of the doubt and based on what the league reports my opinion on this situation could definitely shift. I don't have a ton of faith in the league offices but a fine only would put this thing to rest for me. A fine plus a loss of draft picks and/or suspensions would get me pretty pissed off at the team and resigned to the fact that a win a week from Sunday would seem a sham to many NFL fans.

yup. They could come out and say that after an internal investigation, they learned that their equipment routinely submits balls slightly under-inflated, under the assumption that the pressure cited in the rule book was more of a guideline because ultimately, acceptance of the balls was per the referees discretion. After all, if the refs so chose, they were provided a gauge and a pump and it was their responsibility to correct for any discrepancy.

Aaron Rodgers pretty much said the same thing, but with overinflated balls in his case. I wonder how that NFL investigation is progressing.

 

[Deamon]

For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.

To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.

Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.

Given this I have two questions:

1. Does Brady always play with under-inflated balls?

2. If #1 is true, and there is an expectation of high scrutiny for the SB, does this affect his grip and passing ability enough to see a dip in production?

I do suspect #1 is true as I don't believe Brady is telling the truth, but I also suspect it won't, in the end, make a bit of difference in his production.

The second half of the Colts game they played with properly inflated balls and the Pats hung 28 unanswered points on them... so...

what does that (if even true) have to do with cheating? So are you saying just because they blew them out it's ok to cheat? How many other games during this season did the Patriots do this? I'm pretty sure it isn't a one time thingy.

He was questioning if it had an effect on production. Source material says that it didn't. Chill, dude.

That's irrelevant. Only whether they cheated is relevant.

He was asking a question to open up some discussion on how these proper balls could affect Brady's super bowl performance. That isn't irrelevant at all. I don't know if you actually feel this way or are just fishing... I hope you aren't actually this childish and incapable of having productive conversation. I think his question was relevant and interesting to look at as we try to see how this might affect the game. You know, the game in 10 days that we should be talking about.

 

[cmv5]

Say the Colts won. Would this even be a story?

HAHAHAHA...the colts win....thats funny HAHAHAHA

Colts are the rag the patriots use to clean up with after they pleasure their supermodel wives.

This post tells everyone in here how much they should value your educated opinions. My god, what a piece of work. Not a Colts fan, either.

 

[Run It Up]

Original source confirmed.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Say the Colts won. Would this even be a story?

HAHAHAHA...the colts win....thats funny HAHAHAHA

Colts are the rag the patriots use to clean up with after they pleasure their supermodel wives.

This post tells everyone in here how much they should value your educated opinions. My god, what a piece of work. Not a Colts fan, either.

Not familiar with [i####]'s work? Well...

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

my guess is there is no proof and they'll pay a small fine.

same as a uniform infraction.

Like the uniform infraction that Marshawn Lynch was planning to commit last week? For which the NFL was prepared to effectively suspend him from the conference championship? Gold shoes don't offer a competitive advantage.Hard to envision a scenario where the Pats get a slap on the wrist. Between their shady history, Goodell's ugly season and all the negative attention right now, I think they are heading for a harsh penalty. Definitely a loss of draft picks and/or capspace, perhaps a suspension.

 

[Paulymaggs]

I am guessing a 7 figure fine and a mid-round pick gone for the Pats.

Doubt there will be any penalties for the Super Bowl game itself.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I am guessing a 7 figure fine and a mid-round pick gone for the Pats.

Pending new information, I'll take the under at this point.

 

[Run It Up]

I am guessing a 7 figure fine and a mid-round pick gone for the Pats.

Doubt there will be any penalties for the Super Bowl game itself.

SEVEN FIGURES!

Hot damn.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

I am guessing a 7 figure fine and a mid-round pick gone for the Pats.

Pending new information, I'll take the under at this point.

If you're right, Goodell will get crucified. Again. But this time he won't have all the owners in his corner. Just Kraft.

 

[Paulymaggs]

Say the Colts won. Would this even be a story?

HAHAHAHA...the colts win....thats funny HAHAHAHA

Colts are the rag the patriots use to clean up with after they pleasure their supermodel wives.

This post tells everyone in here how much they should value your educated opinions. My god, what a piece of work. Not a Colts fan, either.

Not familiar with [i####]'s work? Well...

pretty well known that [icon] is one of the worst posters on this forum today.

 

[cstu]

For those of you that have already formed the opinion that the Pats were cheating and Belichick and Brady were lying today...is there anything that can come out that would cause you to change your opinion? I realize the NFL has not provided a single detail about their investigation yet but even if they find no reason to believe the Pats did anything would you just assume the league is covering up?

I'm a Pats fan and at this point I want to hear from the league before making a final judgement. I certainly understand those that don't give the benefit of the doubt and based on what the league reports my opinion on this situation could definitely shift. I don't have a ton of faith in the league offices but a fine only would put this thing to rest for me. A fine plus a loss of draft picks and/or suspensions would get me pretty pissed off at the team and resigned to the fact that a win a week from Sunday would seem a sham to many NFL fans.

yup. They could come out and say that after an internal investigation, they learned that their equipment routinely submits balls slightly under-inflated, under the assumption that the pressure cited in the rule book was more of a guideline because ultimately, acceptance of the balls was per the referees discretion. After all, if the refs so chose, they were provided a gauge and a pump and it was their responsibility to correct for any discrepancy.

Instead we get "I've told you everything I know".

 

[12punch]

penalty for soft balls = 25k, lynch skipping media session = 100k

/thread

wait.... I forgot the punchline

salty trolls stroking out -- priceless

 

[lilathebeast]

The Patriots are my new favorite team. The ISIS analogy by Brady was classic. He was laughing too. Such balls, whether deflated or not. Long live the Patriots.