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Footballguy
Johnson has as much potential as any WR to enter the draft in years. He's got it all and could really be something special. There's little doubt he'd be a huge asset to the Pats and I (like every other Patriot fan) would be incredibly excited to see him playing catch with Brady.
Now that that's out of the way...there's no need for the Pats to trade up. Right now they're sitting in a great spot. Since the Seymour pick in 2001 the Pats haven't mised in the first round and all but the Seymour (#6) and Warren (#13) picks were after #20. Therefore I feel very comfortable saying the Pats will be adding two quality players with these picks. Not only that but they''ll be adding two players with very manageable contracts which isn't the case with a top five pick. So, while it's fun to imagine Johnson in a Pats uni I'm more than happy to be adding another Logan Mankins and Vince Wilfork onto their roster with team-friendly contracts.
The Pats could trade up but I don't see it being more than five-eight spots. It's probably more likely that they deal down acquiring more picks and than begin making a few more trades moving up or down in the rest of the draft.
Now that that's out of the way...there's no need for the Pats to trade up. Right now they're sitting in a great spot. Since the Seymour pick in 2001 the Pats haven't mised in the first round and all but the Seymour (#6) and Warren (#13) picks were after #20. Therefore I feel very comfortable saying the Pats will be adding two quality players with these picks. Not only that but they''ll be adding two players with very manageable contracts which isn't the case with a top five pick. So, while it's fun to imagine Johnson in a Pats uni I'm more than happy to be adding another Logan Mankins and Vince Wilfork onto their roster with team-friendly contracts.
The Pats could trade up but I don't see it being more than five-eight spots. It's probably more likely that they deal down acquiring more picks and than begin making a few more trades moving up or down in the rest of the draft.
Bossman
Footballguy
I think a lot of teams would jump at the chance to trade 2 late 1st rd. picks and more to move up to #3 or 4 position...and I think the Browns or Bucs would be smart to trade down with so many needs, but it's not something I would expect the Patriots to do. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the Patriots went the other way and traded away one of their #1st's to grab extra picks later and/or picks in '08/'09.
As much as I think the Patriots could use such a tallent at WR they just don't pay such a premium for any 1 player...nor would they want to pay the #3 money.
As much as I think the Patriots could use such a tallent at WR they just don't pay such a premium for any 1 player...nor would they want to pay the #3 money.
Bossman
Footballguy
get out of my head.
Boston
Footballguy
"In Bill/Scott we trust...in Bill/Scott we trust."I'm just a disciple trying to spread the word.
I have to aggree w/you on that part.."not at any price" doesn't make sencehowever, I doubt we'd see anything close to a deal by NE to get Johnson
they are the masters of trading back, or moving a pick this yr for a pick next yr, 1 round earlier...more of a "trade back and acquire more reasonably priced talent" than "get him at any cost" type team...and it's paid off huge for them
as nice as a "Johnson on NE" would look for a Pats fan, I think you might be setting the sites alittle high
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chris1969
Footballguy
I actually agree with you, I don't think the Pats would mortgage the farm, but I bet they could get Phil to take less than value on the value chart if they traded both #1's. That's kinda the point of the post, I'm wondering if the Pats would do it if it would be a slight bargain.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I voted I would if it were slightly below chart value. This is for two main reasons:
1. I'm not sure what exactly the point value on the chart is based on, but I think that 1st round picks are slightly more valuable to the Patriots than most teams simply because under the Pioli regime, they've had a remarkably low number of busts in the first round. Every 1st round player has ended up being a starter fairly quickly, if not immediately, or at least a big contributor.
2. The overall tendency for WR's of the first round to be busts. I recognize that Johnson is one of the better WR prospects of the past decade, but there's still that risk that has to be considered when you're going to give up so much to get noe player.
1. I'm not sure what exactly the point value on the chart is based on, but I think that 1st round picks are slightly more valuable to the Patriots than most teams simply because under the Pioli regime, they've had a remarkably low number of busts in the first round. Every 1st round player has ended up being a starter fairly quickly, if not immediately, or at least a big contributor.
2. The overall tendency for WR's of the first round to be busts. I recognize that Johnson is one of the better WR prospects of the past decade, but there's still that risk that has to be considered when you're going to give up so much to get noe player.
womb
Footballguy
I do not think the Pats would do it. I also imagine they will trade down if they see fit.
With that, tell me who would not drool over T Brady - L Maroney - C Johnson - C Jackson - B Watson with all sorts of veteran depth for the future of this franchise?
Crazy as it sounds I think with all the cap in the world they can get their LB help from FA. Secondary is totally another beast I dare not face.
With that, tell me who would not drool over T Brady - L Maroney - C Johnson - C Jackson - B Watson with all sorts of veteran depth for the future of this franchise?
Crazy as it sounds I think with all the cap in the world they can get their LB help from FA. Secondary is totally another beast I dare not face.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Though the thought of Calvin Johnson being in a Pats uniform, with Brady, Maroney, etc. makes me drool (and I'm not even a Pats fan), I just don't think it would ever happen. First, it doesn't fit the Belicheck mold. He doesn't strike me as one who would be willing to trade two quality first rounders to move way up in the draft to trade for one potential stud. Remember, they let Deion Branch go for that other 1st rounder, and Branch was a vital part of their last Super Bowl win and was a quiet hero on that roster. That will be fresh in their minds. Second, I don't see the Bucs letting go of the #4 slot if there is any chance of them getting Johnson. Unless he is snagged right before them by Oakland, Detroit, or Cleveland, I think their hearts are set on him (and I can't blame them). I think if anyone were willing to move down, it would be Cleveland, which I wouldn't blame them. But the Pats would have to give up even more than just their two 1st rounders, and that takes me back to my first point -- Belicheck wouldn't do that.
I'd rather they trade one pick for a very good NFL LB.
Give up both for Ryans or Ware and I'd be fine with that. I might be OK with giving up the whole draft depending on the LBer involved.
I'm not liking Mangini with the Jets. If the Jets make a move for Turner and it's just a 1st, I'd be OK with them trying to sweeten the pot some and offer more $ and a first. Raise the ante on him. I don't want them to get Turner, but play "chicken" with Mangini a little. That would be amusing.
Give up both for Ryans or Ware and I'd be fine with that. I might be OK with giving up the whole draft depending on the LBer involved.
I'm not liking Mangini with the Jets. If the Jets make a move for Turner and it's just a 1st, I'd be OK with them trying to sweeten the pot some and offer more $ and a first. Raise the ante on him. I don't want them to get Turner, but play "chicken" with Mangini a little. That would be amusing.
Ron_Mexico
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I personally think you are dreaming. The Chargers are not trading Turner to the Pats. The Pats are viewed as a threat tot he Chargers, the Jets probably not so much. The Pats do have a higher pick than the Jets but I doubt that 1 spot would influence SD.I hope the Pats sign Drew Bennett so they dont have to use a 1st round pick on a WR. I would like 2 defensive players. Most likely Patrick Willis and a DB.I definately like the ideal of signing Drew Bennettand giving up one of the 1st round picks for Michael Turner... a lot.The thought of dealing Deion Branch for Michael Turner,is very tasty.
Ron_Mexico
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I am dreaming, but the thought of Maroney and Turnerin the Patriot backfield makes meI personally think you are dreaming. The Chargers are not trading Turner to the Pats. The Pats are viewed as a threat tot he Chargers, the Jets probably not so much. The Pats do have a higher pick than the Jets but I doubt that 1 spot would influence SD.I hope the Pats sign Drew Bennett so they dont have to use a 1st round pick on a WR. I would like 2 defensive players. Most likely Patrick Willis and a DB.I definately like the ideal of signing Drew Bennettand giving up one of the 1st round picks for Michael Turner... a lot.The thought of dealing Deion Branch for Michael Turner,is very tasty.
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Ron_Mexico
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PP, not sure if Willis will drop that far.I see them sending one of the picks on Jarvis Moss.I do agree with you that signing Bennett would free them up to grab2 sweet defensive players in the first round.I still would be shocked if they spent a 1st or 2nd on a RB.Dillon's absence leaves a huge hole at RB that Maroneycan't fill on his own.... yet.I personally think you are dreaming. The Chargers are not trading Turner to the Pats. The Pats are viewed as a threat tot he Chargers, the Jets probably not so much. The Pats do have a higher pick than the Jets but I doubt that 1 spot would influence SD.I hope the Pats sign Drew Bennett so they dont have to use a 1st round pick on a WR. I would like 2 defensive players. Most likely Patrick Willis and a DB.I definately like the ideal of signing Drew Bennettand giving up one of the 1st round picks for Michael Turner... a lot.The thought of dealing Deion Branch for Michael Turner,is very tasty.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Why not? RB is probably the easiest position on the field to play right away, and young players probably make a quicker iimpact at RB than any other position except DE.There will always be others to fill in for RBs, that's true for almost every team in the NFL, but that doesn't mean Maroney can't be the main ball carrier in 2007.
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Ron_Mexico
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Depth at the RB position is of great importance in todays NFL.
I think GMs are moving in this direction
more than ever.
I love Maroney, but I still think a RBBC
in New England would take some presssure off of the kid.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Depth is always an issue. You think of the Patriots as being pretty deep because they try to spread the wealth amongst their roster.However, in playoff games, the Patriots just have an incredible track record for getting a string of injuries at one position.
This past year, Dillon went down. Faulk went down. Maroney had the lingering rib issue. And Heath Evans ended up getting major time in the 2nd half.
In the Philly SB, the Pats lost multiple safeties.
In the Carolina SB, the Pats lost both safeties.
My perfect scenario for the Pats is:
Sign Drew Bennett
Draft 2 defensive studs in the 1st round. Draft another defensive player in the 2nd.
Patrick Willis #24
Darelle Revis #28 (or Marcus McCauley or any other number of CB's)
Anthony Spencer 2nd (I have seen him in both the 1st rd and 2nd rd. He might not be realistic in the 2nd rd. If not him then Eric Weddle S)
Lorenzo Booker 3rd (backup Maroney and eventually take over for Faulk as the 3rd down guy)
Ron_Mexico
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I'll sign that memo.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I have viewed a bunch of mock drafts and feel that the above draft spots are all reasonable but am interested in what others think.Some think Willis goes higher but I have seen plenty of mocks were he is in the mid 20's.Ron_Mexico said:I'll sign that memo.Pat Patriot said:
Ron_Mexico
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I still think Jarvis Moss will be a Patriot.I have viewed a bunch of mock drafts and feel that the above draft spots are all reasonable but am interested in what others think.Some think Willis goes higher but I have seen plenty of mocks were he is in the mid 20's.Ron_Mexico said:I'll sign that memo.Pat Patriot said:
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I think that would change the top 3 to Jarvis Moss #24I still think Jarvis Moss will be a Patriot.I have viewed a bunch of mock drafts and feel that the above draft spots are all reasonable but am interested in what others think.Ron_Mexico said:I'll sign that memo.Pat Patriot said:
Some think Willis goes higher but I have seen plenty of mocks were he is in the mid 20's.
CB or S #28 (Revis, McCauley, Griffin, Rousse)
HB Blades/David Harris 2nd
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