Patriots should be held accountable for their injury report (1 Viewer)

[gradin123]

I believe they got in trouble in the past for not reporting or under reporting one but they are making a mockery out of it now.

14 guys listed as questionable this week and likely 12 or 13 will play. they don't even use Probable.

Questionable is suppose to be 50-50. IMO, if at the end of the year more than 75% of all players listed as Questionable through the course of the year end up playing that given week the team should lose a draft pick.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

 

[gradin123]

I don't really care but for the Patriots the only desigination that means anything is out!

Why even bother having an injury report.

 

[Run It Up]

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Don't go looking for integrity from the New England franchise, and you wont end up disappointed.

 

[ponchsox]

Welker and Gronk should be probable but I don't see an issue with others. They have several players nursing injuries and have been limited in practice. Opposing teams have a good idea of who's playing and who's not.

 

[Bri]

One of the changes, a while back, due to Shanny and BB (among others) is the injury report is based upon attendance and participation at practice

 

[Buffaloes]

I don't really care

you serious, Clark?

 

[Run It Up]

Any time a player is limited in practice in new england, they will be listed as questionable.

Get over it.

 

[Wadsworth]

Any time a player is limited in practice in new england, they will be listed as questionable.

Get over it.

Why?

 

[DropKick]

I believe they got in trouble in the past for not reporting or under reporting one but they are making a mockery out of it now.14 guys listed as questionable this week and likely 12 or 13 will play. they don't even use Probable.Questionable is suppose to be 50-50. IMO, if at the end of the year more than 75% of all players listed as Questionable through the course of the year end up playing that given week the team should lose a draft pick.

They shouldn't be allowed to go to recess either!Really... you worry about this?

 

[Run It Up]

Any time a player is limited in practice in new england, they will be listed as questionable.

Get over it.

Why?

Because it isn't something anyone should even care about, let alone have even the most minor feeling of outrage.The guidelines exist, the Pats follow them. Whats the problem here?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Any time a player is limited in practice in new england, they will be listed as questionable.

Get over it.

Why?

Because it isn't something anyone should even care about, let alone have even the most minor feeling of outrage.The guidelines exist, the Pats follow them. Whats the problem here?

the problem is it's the pats.

 

[doeseatplace]

Maybe its the system that's a mockery, and the Pats are the ones with integrity by flipping the system the bird.

(I own Hernandez, so I really don't believe this, but it sounded great in my head)

 

[Carver]

YOU KNOW HOW I KNOW YOU ARE ALL BUTTHURT AND JUNK???

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Maybe its the system that's a mockery, and the Pats are the ones with integrity by flipping the system the bird.(I own Hernandez, so I really don't believe this, but it sounded great in my head)

you'd have to ask belichick if he's flipping anybody the bird, but it sounds liek you're reading into something using your imagination.I believe a while back belichick had a guy listed as P for a road game, but decided he wouldn't make the trip for disciplinary reasons, or something not related to injury -- he was a dnp coach's decision.so, the league comes down on him for listing teh guy as P but not even taking him on the trip.now, bb covers his ### on road games by listing half the team as Q.like the other guy mentioned, this is all predicated on league policy regarding practice participation, so I would imagine bb juggles said participation, and his Q listings, so everything works out for him in the end.of course, I don't have a very vivid imagination.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

btw, what happened to the shark pool?

 

[Wadsworth]

YOU KNOW HOW I KNOW YOU ARE ALL BUTTHURT AND JUNK???

You know when BB lists them as questionable with a gluteus maximus injury?

 

[doeseatplace]

Maybe its the system that's a mockery, and the Pats are the ones with integrity by flipping the system the bird.(I own Hernandez, so I really don't believe this, but it sounded great in my head)

you'd have to ask belichick if he's flipping anybody the bird, but it sounds liek you're reading into something using your imagination.I believe a while back belichick had a guy listed as P for a road game, but decided he wouldn't make the trip for disciplinary reasons, or something not related to injury -- he was a dnp coach's decision.so, the league comes down on him for listing teh guy as P but not even taking him on the trip.now, bb covers his ### on road games by listing half the team as Q.like the other guy mentioned, this is all predicated on league policy regarding practice participation, so I would imagine bb juggles said participation, and his Q listings, so everything works out for him in the end.of course, I don't have a very vivid imagination.

Differing imagination levels set aside, I kind of think we are making the exact same point here. You relate an incident where the Pats were penalized by the NFL regarding injury reports. The way you describe the incident, which I am unfamiliar with, is that the NFL made a "mockery" of its own injury policy. The Pats sat a probable player for reasons unrelated to injury, and yet they were penalized. As a result, the Pats now approach this differently by going to extremes on injury reporting to protect themselves; in essence, "flipping the bird" at the nonsensical and irreverant application of the policy.Is this your opinion as well, or is my imagination running wild again?

 

[Banger]

tons of coaches play games...who cares...just think they are all lying (which they are) and you'll be better off.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I was curious about something, so I went and checked it out:

week 1 - road 5 Q

week 2 - home 7 Q

week 3 - road 10 Q

week 4 - road 10 Q

week 5 - home 12 Q

week 6 - road 14 Q

omg players miss more practice with various injuries as the season progresses!

 

[flc735]

what if a player has a 62.5% chance of playing? probestionable? questiorobable?

 

[Run It Up]

what if a player has a 62.5% chance of playing? probestionable? questiorobable?

Last I checked Questionable was 5%-95%, Probable was 95%+ and Doubtful was 5%.

 

[Parkers99]

? you'd think by the responses that people think there isn't an issue here.

I've been playing this game a long time... long enough to know that Brady's "questionable" shoulder shouldn't keep you up at night. Anyone that doesn't at least acknowledge the Pats play games here is in denial.

What to do about it? Hell, I don't know. But this industries based on a lot more than just who wins the Superbowl - the rules are in place to prevent insiders from manipulating gambling lines... essentially the same issue's we have as FF players.

When WE ALL KNOW which injury reports can & can't be trusted then there's obviously an issue. Fix it / do away with it - I don't care. But have some consistency!

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

how many weeks has brady been questionable?

 

[BobbyLayne]

how many weeks has brady been questionable?

Pretty sure he was listed every game five straight years at one point? IDK, it was long enough to realize it's not beneficial to read the Pats league mandated report.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

how many weeks has brady been questionable?

IDK

solid insight, as always

 

[BobbyLayne]

Brady was on the report 50 consecutive weeks 2004-2007 without missing a game, and listed as Probable (shoulder) most weeks since coming back from his knee injury. Not listed the last 3 weeks.

 

[The_Wolfman]

Brady was on the report 50 consecutive weeks 2004-2007 without missing a game, and listed as Probable (shoulder) most weeks since coming back from his knee injury. Not listed the last 3 weeks.

In week 1 of 2008, Brady was not listed on the injury report for the first time since 2004. He was then lost for the year in the first quarter of that game with an ACL injury.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's BB's way of thumbing his nose at the NFL front offices, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Wadsworth]

It's BB's way of thumbing his nose at the NFL front offices, nothing more nothing less.

I disagree. I do not think his motivation is thumbing his nose at anyone, I think he is looking for any advantage he can get and does not mind going into a gray area of the rules to get an advantage. Some fans like this type of approach. I think that the original motivation for the rule is a valid concern and wish the League would revisit their commitment.

 

[Hoss Style]

I saw in the latest injury report:

Belichick/ethics/Questionable

 

[Bad_Mo]

Don't go looking for integrity from the New England franchise, and you wont end up disappointed.

The organization could learn from guys like Big Rape.

 

[kyoun1e]

Who the hell cares.

I don't even know why injury reports are needed. Why give your enemy any information?

KY

 

[greenline]

How do you know who is questionable and who is not? Nice outrage. Also, Kyle Love is probable.

 

[Ryan99]

The only thing that teams should report is who attended practice each day and if they were involved in contact.

Football does not exist so that you can play fantasy football.

 

[Banger]

Who the hell cares.I don't even know why injury reports are needed. Why give your enemy any information?KY

for gambling.

 

[Wadsworth]

Who the hell cares.I don't even know why injury reports are needed. Why give your enemy any information?KY

You joined in 2003 and missed it the last 20 times a thread just like this has popped up?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's BB's way of thumbing his nose at the NFL front offices, nothing more nothing less.

I disagree. I do not think his motivation is thumbing his nose at anyone, I think he is looking for any advantage he can get and does not mind going into a gray area of the rules to get an advantage. Some fans like this type of approach. I think that the original motivation for the rule is a valid concern and wish the League would revisit their commitment.

That's part of thumbing his nose, but I agree here.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

injury report gate

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Brady was on the report 50 consecutive weeks 2004-2007 without missing a game, and listed as Probable (shoulder) most weeks since coming back from his knee injury. Not listed the last 3 weeks.

I don't remember him listed as Q 50 weeks -- better check your source.or, you could just admit you don't know wtf you're talking about, as usual, but I won't hold my breath on that one.

 

[Phlash]

Maybe its the system that's a mockery, and the Pats are the ones with integrity by flipping the system the bird.(I own Hernandez, so I really don't believe this, but it sounded great in my head)

you'd have to ask belichick if he's flipping anybody the bird, but it sounds liek you're reading into something using your imagination.I believe a while back belichick had a guy listed as P for a road game, but decided he wouldn't make the trip for disciplinary reasons, or something not related to injury -- he was a dnp coach's decision.so, the league comes down on him for listing teh guy as P but not even taking him on the trip.now, bb covers his ### on road games by listing half the team as Q.like the other guy mentioned, this is all predicated on league policy regarding practice participation, so I would imagine bb juggles said participation, and his Q listings, so everything works out for him in the end.of course, I don't have a very vivid imagination.

Differing imagination levels set aside, I kind of think we are making the exact same point here. You relate an incident where the Pats were penalized by the NFL regarding injury reports. The way you describe the incident, which I am unfamiliar with, is that the NFL made a "mockery" of its own injury policy. The Pats sat a probable player for reasons unrelated to injury, and yet they were penalized. As a result, the Pats now approach this differently by going to extremes on injury reporting to protect themselves; in essence, "flipping the bird" at the nonsensical and irreverant application of the policy.Is this your opinion as well, or is my imagination running wild again?

That's not "flipping the bird". That's playing the game the right way. What advantage is there for listing guys as probable, when if he has to bench them for non-injury reasons he will be penalized? Sometimes he wants to bench someone last minute, and he can't unless he has injured players listed as questionable. Flipping the bird it is not.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Don't go looking for integrity from the New England franchise, and you wont end up disappointed.

Don't go looking for integrity from ANY PROFESSIONAL FRANCHISE, including the Steelers, and you wont end up diappointed.

 

[12punch]

Don't go looking for integrity from the New England franchise, and you wont end up disappointed.

The organization could learn from guys like Big Rape.

Loooool steelers fans chirping.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Brady was on the report 50 consecutive weeks 2004-2007 without missing a game, and listed as Probable (shoulder) most weeks since coming back from his knee injury. Not listed the last 3 weeks.

I don't remember him listed as Q 50 weeks -- better check your source.or, you could just admit you don't know wtf you're talking about, as usual, but I won't hold my breath on that one.

I said he was listed 50 consecutive weeks; that is easily verifiable. I never said (though you did, so its easy to understand why you got confused.)The invective toward me from you is a bit of a mystery. But as with the Pats injury reporting, nothing worthy burning anu calories over. Have a good w/e, Larry.

 

[Kboyd78]

I don't really care

you serious, Clark?

Christmas vacation funny

 

[12punch]

Brady was on the report 50 consecutive weeks 2004-2007 without missing a game, and listed as Probable (shoulder) most weeks since coming back from his knee injury. Not listed the last 3 weeks.

I don't remember him listed as Q 50 weeks -- better check your source.or, you could just admit you don't know wtf you're talking about, as usual, but I won't hold my breath on that one.

I said he was listed 50 consecutive weeks; that is easily verifiable. I never said (though you did, so its easy to understand why you got confused.)The invective toward me from you is a bit of a mystery. But as with the Pats injury reporting, nothing worthy burning anu calories over. Have a good w/e, Larry.

and if he hadn't played after being listed as probable, rather than questionable as you claimed earlier, you'd be whining about that.some people always need something to cry about.

 

[Abrantes]

Brady was on the report 50 consecutive weeks 2004-2007 without missing a game, and listed as Probable (shoulder) most weeks since coming back from his knee injury. Not listed the last 3 weeks.

I don't remember him listed as Q 50 weeks -- better check your source.or, you could just admit you don't know wtf you're talking about, as usual, but I won't hold my breath on that one.

I said he was listed 50 consecutive weeks; that is easily verifiable. I never said (though you did, so its easy to understand why you got confused.)The invective toward me from you is a bit of a mystery. But as with the Pats injury reporting, nothing worthy burning anu calories over. Have a good w/e, Larry.

and if he hadn't played after being listed as probable, rather than questionable as you claimed earlier, you'd be whining about that.some people always need something to cry about.

Where in this thread is he whining? He's talking about verifiable facts, while Pats fans are getting hilariously defensive over nothing at all.For the record, though, I couldn't care less about whatever games teams play with their injury reports.

 

[Carver]

YOU KNOW HOW I KNOW YOU ARE ALL BUTTHURT AND JUNK???

You know when BB lists them as questionable with a gluteus maximus injury?

FBG- INJURY REPORT

gradin123 - OUT - Butthurt/Vag Bruise

 

[trader jake]

? you'd think by the responses that people think there isn't an issue here.I've been playing this game a long time... long enough to know that Brady's "questionable" shoulder shouldn't keep you up at night. Anyone that doesn't at least acknowledge the Pats play games here is in denial. What to do about it? Hell, I don't know. But this industries based on a lot more than just who wins the Superbowl - the rules are in place to prevent insiders from manipulating gambling lines... essentially the same issue's we have as FF players.When WE ALL KNOW which injury reports can & can't be trusted then there's obviously an issue. Fix it / do away with it - I don't care. But have some consistency!

Agree with this. All sports leagues should aim for transparency and consistency. That applies to the rules, the referees, and discipline in violations. Most would agree the injury report system is ripe with misinformation and general nonsense. Many are making the case here that it's not a big deal or that Belichick always does this. Maybe that's true but as a fan of the game I can see a whole lot of downside in letting teams play games with the injury report but I fail to see the upside for the league and the fans in allowing it to continue.

The only thing that teams should report is who attended practice each day and if they were involved in contact.Football does not exist so that you can play fantasy football.

The NFL has a huge financial stake in the money it earns due to a high interest level in the product. Some of that interest comes from supporting your team, some from gambling, some from fantasy football, etc. The gambling and fantasy football aspects of that can be negatively effected due to the inconsistent injury reports. Letting that information gap widen only opens the door for unscrupulous individuals to find a way to exploit it...so why let that occur?Just fix the current injury report system and enforce strict guidelines on all teams because the potential downside just isn't worth it.