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Pats done with Chad Jackson? (1 Viewer)
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Road Warriors
Footballguy
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
What's holding Jackson back? From what I remember, he wowed at the scouting combine and was supposed to have tremendous natural ability.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Pre camp or in camp hammy his rookie year. Got back to the field, but was regularly tweaking his hamstring injury. Solid special teams contributor later in the season.Blew out his ACL in the AFCC vs. Colts, on PUP until late this year. Didn't get much of a look after being activated as the #5 WR at that point.I'd be surprised if now, after 2 years of injury and having a few question marks in the receiving corps, the Pats were to cut bait. I'd expect to see him come into camp with a handful of other receivers with an opportunity to earn a spot / PT as the #2. All based on Moss resigning and considering Welker the #3 / slot receiver.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Not for dynasty leagues. I bet quite a few owners were hoping Jackson would get a shot with Stallworth gone.
bostonfred
Footballguy
He was a consensus late first round pick and slipped to the top of the second round. His injuries have been a huge problem. He also had to fight through a pretty good crowd of veterans last year. I think he has a role as a speed guy but he's injured again, and with ACL and hammy injuries, he may never get back to 100%. I don't expect them to cut bait on him but if he can't get healthy in time for roster cutdowns, they may have to decide between putting him on IR or cutting Bam Childress, their perennial practice squadder.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
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bostonfred
Footballguy
If nothing changed, I'd expect the three main receivers to be Moss, Welker, and Gaffney, with Gaffney a distant #3 in terms of targets and receptions. Wekler might play the slot but as we saw this year it's not totally accurate to call him the #3.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Bostonfred, when was he injured again? He was healthy at the end of the season IIRC. What happened?
munchkin
Footballguy
My inclination is to agree with this statement except for one caveat; Jackson had a really bad attitude when he was brought into the league by the Pats. If he has not turned this around then he may have worn out his welcome.
Unofficially, it would only cost the Pats $646 if they cut Jackson before June 1st and $549,646 if cut after June 1st (http://www.patscap.com/). So this speculation of an early cut makes some sense.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Agreed. I meant #2 and #3 as the typical lineup, with the 1 & 2 out wide & Welker in the slot, not in the "depth chart" sense of the terms.
zadok
Footballguy
Isn't Gaffney a UFA also?
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Yes, but there are fair expectations he resigns with NE.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
He strained a tear duct when he heard Coach Belichick was a cheater
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I don't see the Pats cutting him.It's a very low risk situation.
Having said that, I don't expect a whole lot out of him,
but I still think he's worth keeping.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Once Stallworth is cut, the Pats will save $5.7 million against the cap due to the way they accounted for his contract and bonus structure. (They won't have to physically pay out the $6 million and $2 million roster bonuses he was due, but those are not added in as cap hits until they are paid out.) I doubt the Pats will try to re-sign Stallworth, as he will want more $$$ and more playing time (he would still be a WR3 or WR4 in NE).Washington has either been or will be cut. He was due a $4 million signing bonus and $900,000 in salary. However, the Pats will still be charged a $240,000 cap hit for this year due to spreading out whatever signing bonus he had last year. IIRC, his paperwork was filed slightly differently thatn Stallworth's was, so Washington's cap saving may only be around $660,000. The Pats are trying to bring Washington back, but who knows if another team will give him more $$$ and more playing time.I have heard conflicting reports on Jackson. The team would not save anything cap wise if they released him today (but would save $550,000 this year and next year if they released him after 6/1.) Reiss thinks they will give him a shot if he's healthy (I'd take his opinion over Karen G's). Given his realtively low cost and lack of WR depth at this point, I think he will at least get a shot in training camp to see what he could do.Gaffney is also a free agent, but I have not heard much in regards to him coming back. I know BB likes him, but if he wants a bigger role and a bigger paycheck I wonder how high NE would go.
bostonfred
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
Did anyone see this? It was pretty funny, but I know most of us have him on ignore by now.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Oh - I thought you were saying he was injured now.
Benchwarmers
Footballguy
I think he gets a shot. I think the risk reward is there in a dynasty if you get him cheap.
NE is thin at WR position why would they let this guy walk?
NE is thin at WR position why would they let this guy walk?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
$6 million roster bonus due 3/1.$2 million workout bonus for coming to camp.$3 million salary for 2008 seasonTOTAL: $11 million for 2008
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
I'm assuming those are Stallworth's #'s?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Sorry . . . I thought this was the Stallworth thread. Yes, these are the numbers for Stallworth, not Jackson.
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
No problem, Just clearing that up. Thanks for your insight.
az_prof
Footballguy
Who is this Karen G? Is she sleeping with Bellichick or how would she know anything? Stallworth and his 11 million is clearly history. $540,000 to have Jackson's services this year is chump change. They wouldn't cut him unless they were certain his injury was career-ending or unless he slept with Bellichick's mistress (Karen G???).
Someone posts a blog from another site and you guys take it as gospel.
Also, it sounds like Kelley Washington is being shown the door so again, with both him and Stallworth likely to leave, Gaffney a FA and Moss a FA, it wouldn't make much sense to cut Chad Jackson when you have him under contract for so little.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...hington_up.html
Someone posts a blog from another site and you guys take it as gospel.
Also, it sounds like Kelley Washington is being shown the door so again, with both him and Stallworth likely to leave, Gaffney a FA and Moss a FA, it wouldn't make much sense to cut Chad Jackson when you have him under contract for so little.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...hington_up.html
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Spike
Footballguy
Karen G ("Karen Guergian") is a Boston sports writer. I believe she writes for the Boston Herald.
az_prof
Footballguy
Is there a link to her saying this and does she mention a source or an explanation? Right now this qualifies as hearsay...and it doesn't make sense.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Yes. Karen Guregiann covers the Pats for the Herald, although John Tomase is their primary Pats reporter.I have not seen her comments in a chat or blog on Jackson, so I don't know what she said or didn;t say.
UF homer, and I said when he was drafted that I thought it was a mistake. His measurables might have been off the chart, but his college production was almost woeful. For a "home run threat" like Jackson to average about 10 yards per reception his last year in college raises serious red flags for me. I'm always wary of players whose draft positions dramatically oustrip their production, and that was Jackson to a "T".
David Yudkin
Footballguy
They are sniffing at Booker (and I'm sure others) because they could easily be without Stallworth (pretty much a sure thing), Washington (I believe he was already released but they are trying to get him back) and Gaffney (free agent),So NE looking at WRs likely is not something we can conclude anything about Jackson's chances/outlook.
Beaumont
Footballguy
I dont disagree. But it might be different if they were looking to pickup a younger WR who would frequent the ST packages ...
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
The following is a serviceable crew:
Moss
Welker
Gafney
Booker
Jackson
I hope Gafney re-signs...
Moss
Welker
Gafney
Booker
Jackson
I hope Gafney re-signs...
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Me too. I can see Gaffney being more effective down the field than Stallworth was, although he isn't nearly as effective on the WR screens and other short stuff, where Stallworth's YAC was huge. Still, that does look like a very good receiving corps.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
Hadn't heard about the Pats being linked to Booker, though it makes some sense. Seems to me like Booker (big possession receiver) & Jackson (lanky long receiver) have vastly different roles/skill sets, so I'm not sure one has any bearing on the other?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Pats to host Marty BookerPosted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff February 18, 2008 10:47 PM The Patriots are setting their sights on another former Dolphin, as receiver Marty Booker is scheduled to meet with team officials at Gillette Stadium Tuesday.Much like the Patriots’ decision to pursue Wes Welker last year, Booker’s success against New England might be a significant factor in the level of interest he’s received from Vice President of Player Personnel Scott Pioli and head coach Bill Belichick.In eight games against the Patriots over the last four seasons, the 6-foot-, 210-pound Booker had three 100-yard receiving games. He played a major role in the Dolphins’ last two wins against New England – catching eight passes for 103 yards and a touchdown in a 21-0 win Dec. 10, 2006, and seven receptions for 86 yards and a touchdown in a 28-26 victory Jan. 1, 2006.The 31-year-old Booker enters his 10th NFL season in 2008, after playing for the Bears (1999-2003) and Dolphins (2004-2007). He was released by the Dolphins on Feb. 11.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I checked around:
No news on any negotiations or status with Gaffney . . .
Jackson should be back and not a lot of talk to the contrary.
No news on any negotiations or status with Gaffney . . .
Jackson should be back and not a lot of talk to the contrary.
Beaumont
Footballguy
They got a 1st for Deion Branch. That was a pretty good evaluation ...
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Here are the WRs drafted in the BB/Pioli era . . .2006 2-4 Chad Jackson2004 5-32 P.K. Sam 2003 2-13 Bethel Johnson2002 2-33 Deion Branch 2002 7-33 David GivensBranch and Givens were productive. They missed on Johnson. Too soon to tell on Jackson. So two decent picks, a miss, and an incomplete.
