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PDSL2 Rounds 17/18 (1 Viewer)

sorry my internet messageboard brothers! first lapse of time on my part, i'm a big turd! maybe would be diff. if i werent waiting 3 days in between picks lolz.

anyway

17.16 Josh McCown, QB, MIA

18.01 Earl Bennett, WR, Rookie

 
BassNBrew said:
Just realized the last D left (Atlanta) shared the same bye as Philly.Week 4 lose 3 of my top 4 RBs and 2 WRsWeek 6 lose both QBsWeek 7 lose both DsWeek 9 lose WR1 and WR2Gonna be a short year.
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just reading all the back-drama here cuz i was gone all saturday (sorry, based on precedent one round wasn't going that quickly)

fred made what i thought was a good point, and it wasn't addressed. let me retype here.

if the clock is a strategic advantage (clearly most agree it is, just as they agree that JeffP delaying the draft 14 hours over 2 rounds was within the rules) then why should the turn not get the advantage that every other spot has?

So i have three questions:

1) If a pick is made at the start of the turn in the last possible minute (after 7 hours and 59 mins), and then the end of the turn pick is made another 7:59 after, is that within the rules? (Total draft delay: 15 hours 58 mins)

2) If a pick is NOT made after 8 hours on the turn, does it then go straight to the next player, rather than the 2nd turn pick with a 4 hour clock?

(Total draft delay: 12 hours)

3) Given that the clock is so clearly accepted as part of draft strategy, why prohibit "the turn" from the same "advantages" every other player gets?

I'm not tryin to stir the pot, but I believe in fairness in all aspects, even free imaginary sports on a forum on the internetz. This seems one issue that's unfair as it presently stands.

 
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el super gringo said:
just reading all the back-drama here cuz i was gone all saturday (sorry, based on precedent one round wasn't going that quickly)

fred made what i thought was a good point, and it wasn't addressed. let me retype here.

if the clock is a strategic advantage (clearly most agree it is, just as they agree that JeffP delaying the draft 14 hours over 2 rounds was within the rules) then why should the turn not get the advantage that every other spot has?

So i have three questions:

1) If a pick is made at the start of the turn in the last possible minute (after 7 hours and 59 mins), and then the end of the turn pick is made another 7:59 after, is that within the rules? (Total draft delay: 15 hours 58 mins)

2) If a pick is NOT made after 8 hours on the turn, does it then go straight to the next player, rather than the 2nd turn pick with a 4 hour clock?

(Total draft delay: 12 hours)

3) Given that the clock is so clearly accepted as part of draft strategy, why prohibit "the turn" from the same "advantages" every other player gets?

I'm not tryin to stir the pot, but I believe in fairness in all aspects, even free imaginary sports on a forum on the internetz. This seems one issue that's unfair as it presently stands.
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1) No...8 total hours for both picks. Been that way from the beginning. If you don't like it there are plenty of other drafts that might be a better fit for you.2) See above and have a nice season.

3) The clock isn't a draft strategy. Since it was used that way I gave Fred and Rene the option to change picks so they had the same advantage. Seriously people....more picks, less pricks.

 
el super gringo said:
just reading all the back-drama here cuz i was gone all saturday (sorry, based on precedent one round wasn't going that quickly)

fred made what i thought was a good point, and it wasn't addressed. let me retype here.

if the clock is a strategic advantage (clearly most agree it is, just as they agree that JeffP delaying the draft 14 hours over 2 rounds was within the rules) then why should the turn not get the advantage that every other spot has?

So i have three questions:

1) If a pick is made at the start of the turn in the last possible minute (after 7 hours and 59 mins), and then the end of the turn pick is made another 7:59 after, is that within the rules? (Total draft delay: 15 hours 58 mins)

2) If a pick is NOT made after 8 hours on the turn, does it then go straight to the next player, rather than the 2nd turn pick with a 4 hour clock?

(Total draft delay: 12 hours)

3) Given that the clock is so clearly accepted as part of draft strategy, why prohibit "the turn" from the same "advantages" every other player gets?

I'm not tryin to stir the pot, but I believe in fairness in all aspects, even free imaginary sports on a forum on the internetz. This seems one issue that's unfair as it presently stands.
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1. NO...eight hours for the turn.2. Yes...it goes straight to the next person.

3. It doesn't...and here's why...

As Bass already explained, the clock is not meant to provide a strategic advantage, nor a disadvantage. The truth is that the ends already have a slight disadvantage due to the long delay between picks. (That disadvantage is well compensated from the #1 position by virtue of 3 picks in the first 33).

The clock is meant to keep the draft moving while giving everybody the opportunity to live a life without being too closely tied to the ability to sign on line. To that end, there is no reason to allow the end to have in essence, a double clock, because if they signed on to make their first pick, it logically follows that life isn't interfering with their ability to make a second pick. The ends don't get the benefit of extra time because it simply runs counter to the first purpose of the clck (to keep the draft moving) while adding little to the second purpose.

Most of us saw Fred's point, and agreed that Jeff had used the clock to his strategic advantage. We all understood that Jeff had not broken the letter of the law, but had broken the spirit of the law. But that's where agreement stopped. People are all over the map as to the severity of the crime. Many think it a smart move and not a "crime" at all. Some think it a crime, but a small one not worth fretting over. A small minority see it as a major infraction.

Fred's point was acknowleged, and a solution rendered. That's where it should have stopped. Instead, bickering continued. Then, at the turn, Fred decided to further prove his point by purposefully twisting the rules, violating not just the spirit of the rules, but their letter also. Fred had earlier CORRECTLY pointed out that the spirit of the clock rules was to keep the draft moving. To that extent, Freds violation was far more serious then anything Jeff did.

To use an analogy...Jeff was driving 60 in a 55 zone. We all agree he was breaking the law (or the spirit anyway), but few deem it serious. Fred was so pissed off about how few thought it serious, that he went and had one too many brews, and ran at 62. When called out, he couldn't see the difference between a completely sober 60, and a (barely) drunk 62, and he's become bitter about it. Most cops, and most of us, shrug at 60, because most of us do it. At 62, many of us start to feel uncomfortable, and while it's still not a huge deal, we're watching for the cop who WILL write the ticket. To do so after a few beers...well...you deserve whatever happens to you.

I hope I've made my point. I know that was a little deeper an answer then you were looking for, but I think it was warrented.

 
FUBAR said:
18.03 Bo Scaife, TEN TE

el super gringo said:
FUBAR said:
:)

Just time me out from here on. I don't need drama in a freaking free mock draft.

I'll check in eventually and make my make-up picks.
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lmao panties all up in the buttcrack
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hardly. I just get frustrated with drama queens in day to day life, even more so in things that were supposed to be fun.
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no no no you misunderstand fubar!! i was siding with you! all the panties up the buttcrack was causing me to bang head on wall also!
 
I'm as anxious as anyone to move past this at this point.

Some liked my move, some hated it. Both sides have an argument to it, and I don't want to rehash it yet again.

BNB will tweak the rules for the next PDSL I'm sure to allow for this, as we've shut the clock off for other reasons mid-drafts before (like Super Bowl Sunday).

Let's just wrap this up this week and get on with the NFL Draft.

 
renesauz said:
el super gringo said:
just reading all the back-drama here cuz i was gone all saturday (sorry, based on precedent one round wasn't going that quickly)

fred made what i thought was a good point, and it wasn't addressed. let me retype here.

if the clock is a strategic advantage (clearly most agree it is, just as they agree that JeffP delaying the draft 14 hours over 2 rounds was within the rules) then why should the turn not get the advantage that every other spot has?

So i have three questions:

1) If a pick is made at the start of the turn in the last possible minute (after 7 hours and 59 mins), and then the end of the turn pick is made another 7:59 after, is that within the rules? (Total draft delay: 15 hours 58 mins)

2) If a pick is NOT made after 8 hours on the turn, does it then go straight to the next player, rather than the 2nd turn pick with a 4 hour clock?

(Total draft delay: 12 hours)

3) Given that the clock is so clearly accepted as part of draft strategy, why prohibit "the turn" from the same "advantages" every other player gets?

I'm not tryin to stir the pot, but I believe in fairness in all aspects, even free imaginary sports on a forum on the internetz. This seems one issue that's unfair as it presently stands.
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1. NO...eight hours for the turn.2. Yes...it goes straight to the next person.

3. It doesn't...and here's why...

As Bass already explained, the clock is not meant to provide a strategic advantage, nor a disadvantage. The truth is that the ends already have a slight disadvantage due to the long delay between picks. (That disadvantage is well compensated from the #1 position by virtue of 3 picks in the first 33).

The clock is meant to keep the draft moving while giving everybody the opportunity to live a life without being too closely tied to the ability to sign on line. To that end, there is no reason to allow the end to have in essence, a double clock, because if they signed on to make their first pick, it logically follows that life isn't interfering with their ability to make a second pick. The ends don't get the benefit of extra time because it simply runs counter to the first purpose of the clck (to keep the draft moving) while adding little to the second purpose.

Most of us saw Fred's point, and agreed that Jeff had used the clock to his strategic advantage. We all understood that Jeff had not broken the letter of the law, but had broken the spirit of the law. But that's where agreement stopped. People are all over the map as to the severity of the crime. Many think it a smart move and not a "crime" at all. Some think it a crime, but a small one not worth fretting over. A small minority see it as a major infraction.

Fred's point was acknowleged, and a solution rendered. That's where it should have stopped. Instead, bickering continued. Then, at the turn, Fred decided to further prove his point by purposefully twisting the rules, violating not just the spirit of the rules, but their letter also. Fred had earlier CORRECTLY pointed out that the spirit of the clock rules was to keep the draft moving. To that extent, Freds violation was far more serious then anything Jeff did.

To use an analogy...Jeff was driving 60 in a 55 zone. We all agree he was breaking the law (or the spirit anyway), but few deem it serious. Fred was so pissed off about how few thought it serious, that he went and had one too many brews, and ran at 62. When called out, he couldn't see the difference between a completely sober 60, and a (barely) drunk 62, and he's become bitter about it. Most cops, and most of us, shrug at 60, because most of us do it. At 62, many of us start to feel uncomfortable, and while it's still not a huge deal, we're watching for the cop who WILL write the ticket. To do so after a few beers...well...you deserve whatever happens to you.

I hope I've made my point. I know that was a little deeper an answer then you were looking for, but I think it was warrented.
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To BNB: As long as the mods in the drafts protect the interests of fairness, it really shouldn't be an issue. I just figured I'd raise it separate from the fiasco that JeffP and bostonfred kicked off, cuz I thought it was a legitimately good point. But the separate part of it was important, cuz I don't see bostonfred's use of it to be that cool. I see it the same as the douchebaggery that JP pulled, with a lil more spite - as I think renesauz alluded to. To renesauz: The same applies; this was meant as a separate point, not a defense of BFred. We could argue about levels of douchebaggery, but that's not what I was intending to do. I just thought it was a legitimate point.

I thought it an especially good point to make when I was on the turn at the #16 position this draft. I didn't benefit from 3 picks in the first 33, and I literally waited 72 hours between some picks. It makes it very hard to gauge when to check in. I had assumed, based on the prior timing of rounds, that I was cool to go out on Saturday and it wouldn't get to me. Instead it got to my spot around 11am, and then everyone had to wait. Fortunately it was a late round and Gamma was doing the same thing I was doing, :thumbup: :unsure: , so the truncated clock didn't hurt me.

Anyway, if we sit back and reflect on crap like this, the truth is BNB's statement of more picks, fewer pricks is what it should be about. As long as fairness is enforced and future pricks-ishness (whether of the 60mph or 62mph variety) is avoided in the future by mature adults.

 
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Jeff Pasquino said:
I'm as anxious as anyone to move past this at this point.Some liked my move, some hated it. Both sides have an argument to it, and I don't want to rehash it yet again.BNB will tweak the rules for the next PDSL I'm sure to allow for this, as we've shut the clock off for other reasons mid-drafts before (like Super Bowl Sunday). Let's just wrap this up this week and get on with the NFL Draft.
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:thumbup:
 
renesauz said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
I'm as anxious as anyone to move past this at this point.Some liked my move, some hated it. Both sides have an argument to it, and I don't want to rehash it yet again.BNB will tweak the rules for the next PDSL I'm sure to allow for this, as we've shut the clock off for other reasons mid-drafts before (like Super Bowl Sunday). Let's just wrap this up this week and get on with the NFL Draft.
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I am def. excited about the draft. Eagles moving up in round 1. Right JP?
 
FYI...Monday morning at 8am I'm cutting everyone's clock in half. That should get us done by Thursday.

 
el super gringo said:
renesauz said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
I'm as anxious as anyone to move past this at this point.Some liked my move, some hated it. Both sides have an argument to it, and I don't want to rehash it yet again.BNB will tweak the rules for the next PDSL I'm sure to allow for this, as we've shut the clock off for other reasons mid-drafts before (like Super Bowl Sunday). Let's just wrap this up this week and get on with the NFL Draft.
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:thumbup:
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I am def. excited about the draft. Eagles moving up in round 1. Right JP?
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:yes:I'm betting on Buffalo.
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
el super gringo said:
renesauz said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
I'm as anxious as anyone to move past this at this point.Some liked my move, some hated it. Both sides have an argument to it, and I don't want to rehash it yet again.BNB will tweak the rules for the next PDSL I'm sure to allow for this, as we've shut the clock off for other reasons mid-drafts before (like Super Bowl Sunday). Let's just wrap this up this week and get on with the NFL Draft.
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:goodposting:
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I am def. excited about the draft. Eagles moving up in round 1. Right JP?
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:yes:I'm betting on Buffalo.
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Totally agree. Lito and #19 for Bills 1st.
 
Domination said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
el super gringo said:
renesauz said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
I'm as anxious as anyone to move past this at this point.Some liked my move, some hated it. Both sides have an argument to it, and I don't want to rehash it yet again.BNB will tweak the rules for the next PDSL I'm sure to allow for this, as we've shut the clock off for other reasons mid-drafts before (like Super Bowl Sunday). Let's just wrap this up this week and get on with the NFL Draft.
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:goodposting:
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I am def. excited about the draft. Eagles moving up in round 1. Right JP?
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:yes:I'm betting on Buffalo.
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Totally agree. Lito and #19 for Bills 1st.
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Only if Chris Williams of Vandy is still available at 11. I think he will be. And i'm not sure where Reggie Brown falls in all this mess, but he could be gone too. I could definitely see at least 2 draft day trades. I hope not about Brown though; I bought two of his jerseys when he signed the long extension. Whoops.
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
Hear-the-Footsteps said:
18.09: QB - Matt Ryan

Will PM next guy.
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BC colors, or a prediction of a future home?I'm thinking RED or PURPLE....
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Neither actually.In each of these (WSL, PDSL, SSL, etc), I always go with one color for every one of my draft picks. Each draft it is a different color - but it stays the same for that entire draft.

Sorry to disappoint.

 
Hear-the-Footsteps said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Hear-the-Footsteps said:
18.09: QB - Matt Ryan

Will PM next guy.
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BC colors, or a prediction of a future home?I'm thinking RED or PURPLE....
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Neither actually.In each of these (WSL, PDSL, SSL, etc), I always go with one color for every one of my draft picks. Each draft it is a different color - but it stays the same for that entire draft.

Sorry to disappoint.
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LOL ok, just curious.
 
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