people who drafted fitz early (1 Viewer)

[Shawn]

Do you regret doing it yet? Kolb is oaklands mvp so far and citz hasnt seen the ball once.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Ryan Fitzpatrick will be fine

 

[DerekR]

Lol

 

[flc735]

skelton is much better for fitz then kolb is. last year, fitz scored about 14-15 ppg with kolb and 16-17 with skelton. kolb struggling is a good thing

 

[renesauz]

I think it will be OK.

Arizona O-line looking pretty bad right now, but as someone on NFL network pointed out...defenses are blitzing more than ever in preseason, and QBs are getting hit more than ever in pre-season.

Fitz will get his as they figure out the pass protection and get the starter more time to find him.

ETA: Lot of people criticizing Kolb, and maybe it's his fault for not adjusting his protection...but post snap...he's had ZERO time. Also, it really does seem like Oakland is blitzing every other down. With this many blitzes, why isn't Whisenhunt calling some draws and screens?

Answer: Because they are playing the plays they wanted to, regardless of what defense Oakland is bringing. Pretty stupid, IMO.

It isn't all on Kolb.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Kolb won't be the Cards starting QB.

 

[karmarooster]

I don't get this. Fitz had exactly the same two QBs last year and, as usually, was a monster. When he was younger, he put up numbers with the like of Luke McCown (or maybe his brother), John Navarro(?), random and crappy QBs. Skeleton and Kolb can't be worse than last year.

 

[HAM]

This same thread pops up way to frequently. He's had the poor QB play for a while now and still puts up solid numbers year in and year out. Give it a rest

 

[Eviloutsider]

It's because of his crappy QB that you can get him late 2nd/early 3rd. If he had Rodgers/Brady throwing the ball he would be going right by Calvin. The crappy QB is factored into his ADP.

 

[Shawn]

Ok but he didnt see 1 target from Kolb... Let's pray for Skelton for Fitzgerald's sake i really like the guy and hate the situation

 

[Raider Nation]

Kevin Kolb led the Cardinals on a touchdown march in his first possession on Friday night. After two performances in which Kolb somehow racked up a 0.0 quarterback rating, this came as a great relief to coach Ken Whisenhunt. And Kolb. And anyone else associated with the Cardinals.

Unfortunately, Kolb reverted to his usual preseason form after that. He took an intentional grounding penalty right at the goal line. It looked like a possible safety, but the ball was spotted at the one-yard line.

Kolb was slow to react under heavy pressure on the next play and took a safety. The next two drives included two sacks, two incompletions, and no first downs. Kolb completed 3-of-6 passes for 22 yards and took three sacks.

According to the Raiders preseason television team, Raiders defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ran off the field screaming about Kolb, "That boy's scared."

 

[flc735]

I think it will be OK. Arizona O-line looking pretty bad right now, but as someone on NFL network pointed out...defenses are blitzing more than ever in preseason, and QBs are getting hit more than ever in pre-season. Fitz will get his as they figure out the pass protection and get the starter more time to find him.ETA: Lot of people criticizing Kolb, and maybe it's his fault for not adjusting his protection...but post snap...he's had ZERO time. Also, it really does seem like Oakland is blitzing every other down. With this many blitzes, why isn't Whisenhunt calling some draws and screens? Answer: Because they are playing the plays they wanted to, regardless of what defense Oakland is bringing. Pretty stupid, IMO.It isn't all on Kolb.

well ya, kolb would be better in a different situation. you can say that about a lot of players. to win with screens, you need lineman that can run, i don't know if the cardinals have that or not. kolb needed to improve on how he played against pressure, especially since his line sucks and he did not do that. it's perfectly fine to blame kolb for his struggles

I don't get this. Fitz had exactly the same two QBs last year and, as usually, was a monster. When he was younger, he put up numbers with the like of Luke McCown (or maybe his brother), John Navarro(?), random and crappy QBs. Skeleton and Kolb can't be worse than last year.

i dont think anyone would say he is not a top 5 wr, even with kolb. i think some of us have been expecting a 1600, 15 td season from him ever since his epic playoff run. it's frustrating that his situation never gave him that opportunity.

 

[whatadai]

I don't get this. Fitz had exactly the same two QBs last year and, as usually, was a monster. When he was younger, he put up numbers with the like of Luke McCown (or maybe his brother), John Navarro(?), random and crappy QBs. Skeleton and Kolb can't be worse than last year.

Uh oh...

 

[whatadai]

Everyone seems to have forgotten about 2010 when the Cards lead by Whisenhunt also thought a 6'6" big arm QB with no accuracy could save their passing game. Instead...Fitzgerald took a dive in fantasy stats.

 

[KellysHeroes]

if u draft him in the top 5 of WRs then u might regret it, other than that there wn't be much to regret.

 

[Raider Nation]

The Cards just lost LT Levi Brown, likely for the entire season. This situation is dreadful.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

It's a pretty sorry situation in Arizona right now, John Skelton has no business being a starting QB in the NFL, though I guess neither does Kolb.

 

[PatsFanCT]

As stated, this thread is started way too often.

Also, anyone who drafts before the preseason is over deserves what they get.

 

[cracKer]

How did the Cards not grab Nick Foles from their own backyard?

 

[MAC_32]

Don't have the stats, but from what I've seen Fitz production with a non Warner QB does not mesh with his current asking price. I think he's the 2nd or 3rd best NFL WR, but not fantasy.

 

[MAC_32]

How did the Cards not grab Nick Foles from their own backyard?

Because he's not that good. Criner made him look better than he was in college, when Criner wasn't in there Foles was a mediocre QB.

 

[karmarooster]

Don't have the stats, but from what I've seen Fitz production with a non Warner QB does not mesh with his current asking price. I think he's the 2nd or 3rd best NFL WR, but not fantasy.

I'd be interested to see what stats you're talking about.2005 - with Warner about half the season, plus McCown and Navarro - 103/1,400/10

2006 - Leinart 2/3rd, Warner about 1/3 - 69/946/6. Admittedly bad, but Boldin was a stud (83/1,200/4)

2007 - Warner mostly, Leinart some - 100/1,400/10

2008 + 2009 - Warner was solid, Fitz was a stud.

2010 - Derek Anderson mostly, plus Skelton, Max Hall, and Richard Bartel (?) - 90/1,130/6

2011 - The same crappy QBs he has this year - 80/1,400/8

That looks like a healthy floor, including crappy QB play, of about 80/1,110/6-8 TDs.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Don't have the stats, but from what I've seen Fitz production with a non Warner QB does not mesh with his current asking price. I think he's the 2nd or 3rd best NFL WR, but not fantasy.

So you don't know what the stats are but you know the stats say he's not a top 3 wr? Sound logic. He had over 1400 yards and 8 tds last year, with the same qbs. Brown going down hurts but the line was bad last year too. Nothing has really changed drastically like some of you are posting it has.

 

[MAC_32]

Don't have the stats, but from what I've seen Fitz production with a non Warner QB does not mesh with his current asking price. I think he's the 2nd or 3rd best NFL WR, but not fantasy.

So you don't know what the stats are but you know the stats say he's not a top 3 wr? Sound logic. He had over 1400 yards and 8 tds last year, with the same qbs. Brown going down hurts but the line was bad last year too. Nothing has really changed drastically like some of you are posting it has.

I've owned him a lot over the years and my teams seemed to have suffered relative to the best in my league since Warner retired and when Leinart had the job. He probably has the highest floor of ANY wr, but ultimately high floors don't win titles - players out producing you paid for them do. Given the WR corps that can be built later I think it's wise to pass on Fitz at his price.

 

[panhead55]

The strength of Fitz is that he has an extremely high floor. He might not be a top 3 or top 5 WR, but outside of Megatron, who can you say with certainty is in the top 5. Fitz is similar to Megaton in that he can be effective with poor QB play. Both Fitz and Megatron can make a catch in a crowd, can make great adjustments when the ball is in the air, and can make a poor QB look good. I'll draft Fitz not because of his ceiling, but because of his floor. He carries very little risk.

 

[Shutout]

The strength of Fitz is that he has an extremely high floor. He might not be a top 3 or top 5 WR, but outside of Megatron, who can you say with certainty is in the top 5. Fitz is similar to Megaton in that he can be effective with poor QB play. Both Fitz and Megatron can make a catch in a crowd, can make great adjustments when the ball is in the air, and can make a poor QB look good. I'll draft Fitz not because of his ceiling, but because of his floor. He carries very little risk.

That's it in a nutshell. You get the high floor PLUS always knowing that with a little good luck, you have the ceiling too.

 

[PatsFanCT]

How did the Cards not grab Nick Foles from their own backyard?

Because he's not that good. Criner made him look better than he was in college, when Criner wasn't in there Foles was a mediocre QB.

lol, did you ever watch him play? He's probably the 3rd best QB in this years draft. Completely under-rated. He will be a starter somewhere, and more than likely long term for Philly.

 

[nittanylion]

How did the Cards not grab Nick Foles from their own backyard?

Because he's not that good. Criner made him look better than he was in college, when Criner wasn't in there Foles was a mediocre QB.

All I know is that I want to see more of Nick Foles after watching him last night. Prior to the Vick injury leading to Foles getting extended playing time @ the Patriots, I didn't have much of an opinion about him one way or the other. I still don't, but I'm very interested after seeing a poised Rookie who seemed to know where folks were in their routes, the kind of throws required to get the ball in their hands, and some fearlessness/confidence in his ability to do so. Kid looked good out there in a small sample size. I want to see more.

 

[Shutout]

Don't have the stats, but from what I've seen Fitz production with a non Warner QB does not mesh with his current asking price. I think he's the 2nd or 3rd best NFL WR, but not fantasy.

Gonna have to go with the people who responded below on this one. As an owner of Fitz from day 1 I would have to say the Warner years were the gravy years, but he was always supr solid and valuable in the other years. I think even in his rookie year, he finished like WR18 in my PPR.

 

[MAC_32]

The strength of Fitz is that he has an extremely high floor. He might not be a top 3 or top 5 WR, but outside of Megatron, who can you say with certainty is in the top 5. Fitz is similar to Megaton in that he can be effective with poor QB play. Both Fitz and Megatron can make a catch in a crowd, can make great adjustments when the ball is in the air, and can make a poor QB look good. I'll draft Fitz not because of his ceiling, but because of his floor. He carries very little risk.

That's my problem, I don't want a top 10 WR in the 2nd round, I want a top 3 WR. I don't feel comfortable saying that's Fitz anymore. I'd rather address another position then come back with a trio of WR's in the mold of Julio-Dez-Decker or something along those lines.

 

[MAC_32]

How did the Cards not grab Nick Foles from their own backyard?

Because he's not that good. Criner made him look better than he was in college, when Criner wasn't in there Foles was a mediocre QB.

lol, did you ever watch him play? He's probably the 3rd best QB in this years draft. Completely under-rated. He will be a starter somewhere, and more than likely long term for Philly.

Quite a bit actually, watching him is what got me higher on Criner than most.

 

[MAC_32]

How did the Cards not grab Nick Foles from their own backyard?

Because he's not that good. Criner made him look better than he was in college, when Criner wasn't in there Foles was a mediocre QB.

All I know is that I want to see more of Nick Foles after watching him last night. Prior to the Vick injury leading to Foles getting extended playing time @ the Patriots, I didn't have much of an opinion about him one way or the other. I still don't, but I'm very interested after seeing a poised Rookie who seemed to know where folks were in their routes, the kind of throws required to get the ball in their hands, and some fearlessness/confidence in his ability to do so. Kid looked good out there in a small sample size. I want to see more.

His biggest weaknesses are foot work, locking onto his option pre snap, checking down too frequently, and not responding well after bad plays/big hits. When the play broke down at school his option was usually throw it somewhere near Criner and hope for the best.

 

[PatsFanCT]

How did the Cards not grab Nick Foles from their own backyard?

Because he's not that good. Criner made him look better than he was in college, when Criner wasn't in there Foles was a mediocre QB.

lol, did you ever watch him play? He's probably the 3rd best QB in this years draft. Completely under-rated. He will be a starter somewhere, and more than likely long term for Philly.

Quite a bit actually, watching him is what got me higher on Criner than most.

See, I always saw him trying to escape the ever collapsing pocket to somehow make spot on throws. Give him some protection, and he'll give opposing teams headaches. This kid has talent to spare.

 

[cracKer]

I thought Foles looked pretty polished in college when watching him against Luck and some of the other higher touted PAC12 QBs, didn't really understand why he had zero hype entering the draft. Good to see him starting his career well. Anyhow, sorry to clutter the Fitzgerald thread

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Don't have the stats, but from what I've seen Fitz production with a non Warner QB does not mesh with his current asking price. I think he's the 2nd or 3rd best NFL WR, but not fantasy.

I'd be interested to see what stats you're talking about.2005 - with Warner about half the season, plus McCown and Navarro - 103/1,400/10

2006 - Leinart 2/3rd, Warner about 1/3 - 69/946/6. Admittedly bad, but Boldin was a stud (83/1,200/4)

2007 - Warner mostly, Leinart some - 100/1,400/10

2008 + 2009 - Warner was solid, Fitz was a stud.

2010 - Derek Anderson mostly, plus Skelton, Max Hall, and Richard Bartel (?) - 90/1,130/6

2011 - The same crappy QBs he has this year - 80/1,400/8

That looks like a healthy floor, including crappy QB play, of about 80/1,110/6-8 TDs.

Larry Fitzgerald is on his way to becoming one of the game's all-time greats, and Patrick Peterson could join him. Since entering the league in 2004, he is averaging 87 catches for 1,202 yards and nine touchdowns a season despite playing with a cast of quarterbacks that would make most receivers cringe, including: John Navarre, Shaun King, Josh McCown, Tim Rattay, Rich Bartel, Brian St. Pierre, Matt Leinart, Max Hall, Derek Anderson, Kolb and Skelton. Only Kurt Warner played in a Pro Bowl.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jim_trotter/08/14/cardinals-training-camp-postcard/index.html

 

[Shutout]

The strength of Fitz is that he has an extremely high floor. He might not be a top 3 or top 5 WR, but outside of Megatron, who can you say with certainty is in the top 5. Fitz is similar to Megaton in that he can be effective with poor QB play. Both Fitz and Megatron can make a catch in a crowd, can make great adjustments when the ball is in the air, and can make a poor QB look good. I'll draft Fitz not because of his ceiling, but because of his floor. He carries very little risk.

That's my problem, I don't want a top 10 WR in the 2nd round, I want a top 3 WR. I don't feel comfortable saying that's Fitz anymore. I'd rather address another position then come back with a trio of WR's in the mold of Julio-Dez-Decker or something along those lines.

So...somewhere between the 13th and 24th pick, you want a top 3 WR. I think this pretty much sums up all that is in the Shark pool at this time of year.Everyone is trying to pimp up the guys they feel good about while simultaneously attempting to convince everyone who will listen to take tons of other guys above their ADP so that their guy will fall, but also at the same time, trying to convince everyone who will listen that their guy IS a top guy.

This is the part of the season that I just love...

Can't wait for the sequel: The time when people get mad because the people who were slammed all off-season for having an opinion on players bump the old posts to remind people they were correct about an earlier prediciton.

 

[Phenix]

Don't have the stats, but from what I've seen Fitz production with a non Warner QB does not mesh with his current asking price. I think he's the 2nd or 3rd best NFL WR, but not fantasy.

I'd be interested to see what stats you're talking about.2005 - with Warner about half the season, plus McCown and Navarro - 103/1,400/10

2006 - Leinart 2/3rd, Warner about 1/3 - 69/946/6. Admittedly bad, but Boldin was a stud (83/1,200/4)

2007 - Warner mostly, Leinart some - 100/1,400/10

2008 + 2009 - Warner was solid, Fitz was a stud.

2010 - Derek Anderson mostly, plus Skelton, Max Hall, and Richard Bartel (?) - 90/1,130/6

2011 - The same crappy QBs he has this year - 80/1,400/8

That looks like a healthy floor, including crappy QB play, of about 80/1,110/6-8 TDs.

Larry Fitzgerald is on his way to becoming one of the game's all-time greats, and Patrick Peterson could join him. Since entering the league in 2004, he is averaging 87 catches for 1,202 yards and nine touchdowns a season despite playing with a cast of quarterbacks that would make most receivers cringe, including: John Navarre, Shaun King, Josh McCown, Tim Rattay, Rich Bartel, Brian St. Pierre, Matt Leinart, Max Hall, Derek Anderson, Kolb and Skelton. Only Kurt Warner played in a Pro Bowl.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jim_trotter/08/14/cardinals-training-camp-postcard/index.html

It shocks me with all the people who know so much in here, that the fact of risk vs. reward is not even considered.

He is as safe as a pick as you can get at WR because of the average numbers he puts up and the upside he still has because of talent alone. He is a playmaker who gets all the targets and has the talent to do something with it. Safe is what I value and I still take him as the #2 wr, and thats where i have him ranked.

 

[MAC_32]

The strength of Fitz is that he has an extremely high floor. He might not be a top 3 or top 5 WR, but outside of Megatron, who can you say with certainty is in the top 5. Fitz is similar to Megaton in that he can be effective with poor QB play. Both Fitz and Megatron can make a catch in a crowd, can make great adjustments when the ball is in the air, and can make a poor QB look good. I'll draft Fitz not because of his ceiling, but because of his floor. He carries very little risk.

That's my problem, I don't want a top 10 WR in the 2nd round, I want a top 3 WR. I don't feel comfortable saying that's Fitz anymore. I'd rather address another position then come back with a trio of WR's in the mold of Julio-Dez-Decker or something along those lines.

So...somewhere between the 13th and 24th pick, you want a top 3 WR.

No, I'd rather get three top 10 WR's for cheaper. Between Julio, Green, Marshall, Dez, Harvin, a Packers WR, a Giants WR, and a Broncos WR I think I can do it later and get a stronger option in round 2/cheaper in auction. 1 draft and 1 auction down, 1 draft left, no Fitz yet. Looking at Julio-Harvin-Decker in one (Forte instead of Fitz in round 2) and Julio-Green-Dez in another (auction league so more difficult to compare my trade off for Fitz). It's all relative.

 

[Shutout]

The strength of Fitz is that he has an extremely high floor. He might not be a top 3 or top 5 WR, but outside of Megatron, who can you say with certainty is in the top 5. Fitz is similar to Megaton in that he can be effective with poor QB play. Both Fitz and Megatron can make a catch in a crowd, can make great adjustments when the ball is in the air, and can make a poor QB look good. I'll draft Fitz not because of his ceiling, but because of his floor. He carries very little risk.

That's my problem, I don't want a top 10 WR in the 2nd round, I want a top 3 WR. I don't feel comfortable saying that's Fitz anymore. I'd rather address another position then come back with a trio of WR's in the mold of Julio-Dez-Decker or something along those lines.

So...somewhere between the 13th and 24th pick, you want a top 3 WR.

No, I'd rather get three top 10 WR's for cheaper. Between Julio, Green, Marshall, Dez, Harvin, a Packers WR, a Giants WR, and a Broncos WR I think I can do it later and get a stronger option in round 2/cheaper in auction. 1 draft and 1 auction down, 1 draft left, no Fitz yet. Looking at Julio-Harvin-Decker in one (Forte instead of Fitz in round 2) and Julio-Green-Dez in another (auction league so more difficult to compare my trade off for Fitz). It's all relative.

Gotcha.