Percy Harvin, WR, Minnesota Vikings (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

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Thread Topic: Percy Harvin, WR, Minnesota Vikings

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[jacobo_moses]

I think if Rudolph keeps developing into a threat and a No 2 WR steps up to take some DEF pressure off of Harvin. Assuming he stays mostly heatlhy. I think his receptions go down. But his yards and TD's go up just slightly.

So in 2011 he had

87 REC 967 Yards and 6 TDS (This is REC Stats)

So I think in 2012 he goes

78 REC 1,090 yards and 9 TD's (REC Stats of course)

I have no idea on the Rushing stats for Harvin with AP coming off of major surgery.

 

[SWC]

i hope he does really crummy becauseof the way he sided up with favre and moss when they got chilly the family man fired so basically i hope that no matter was the projections are that they are too high and he does poorly and realizes that when you try to hurt others you get kicked in the butt by karma take that to the bank brohanskievs

 

[Tau837]

Here are some splits from Harvin's 2011 season to consider:

Games 1-8:

Played just 50.8% of offensive snaps

31/334/0 (10.8 ypr) receiving on 43 targets

20/185/1 (9.3 ypc) rushing

3/26/0 receiving on 6 targets in the red zone

3/17/1 rushing in the red zone

The snaps and targets are inexcusably low for the best receiver on the team. I can't see anything close to as low as these levels being repeated if Harvin is healthy.

Games 9-16:

Played 66.2% of offensive snaps

56/633/6 (11.3 ypr) receiving on 77 targets

32/160/1 (5.0 ypc) rushing

8/56/2 receiving on 12 targets in the red zone

5/27/1 rushing in the red zone

His second half scales to 112/1266/12 receiving on 154 targets and 64/320/2 rushing... 1586 total yards and 14 TDs. Clearly, these were inflated a bit by his usage with Peterson out, as shown below.

Games Peterson missed (games 11-13 and 16):

Played 71.3% of offensive snaps

36/435/4 (12.1 ypr) receiving on 48 targets

19/83/1 (4.4 ypc) rushing

These games scale to 144/1740/16 receiving on 192 targets and 76/332/4 rushing... 2072 total yards and 20 TDs!

I expect Peterson to be back, and I assume he will play all 16 games. But the numbers above in the games Peterson missed show that Harvin has pretty significant upside should Peterson miss any time.

Regardless, I definitely think AP's touches will be reduced from their traditional levels, and, based on Harvin's second half performance last year, Harvin should get some of those touches. Given how effective Harvin was in the second half last year, I expect him to get playing time and targets/touches more in line with the second half of 2011 than the first half.

I'll project 135 targets, 98/1174/8 (12.0 ypr) receiving and 50/300/1 (6.0 ypc) rushing

 

[meyerj31]

^ solid post. I'm very high on him this year. The coach has said how they will be using him more on offense and less on kickoff returns. AP isn't a lock to be a feature back until he's 100% so Harvin will still get a lot of touches. Plus he's still young, had a rookie QB, and is still learning the game. I remember Favre saying a few years ago that Harvin was the most talented/athletic WR with which he had ever played. He's also one of the most feared players to play against.

90 rec / 1200 yards / 10 TDs

 

[Bayhawks]

Drafted him last year with high hopes. Had to include him as a "throw-in" on a trade late in the year. Right after the trade, he went on his tear

I see him being even more of a focal point of the offense this year, with ADP recovering.

150 targets, 96 receptions (64%) catch rate, 1100 rec. yards, 8 rec. TD, 50 rush, 265 rush yards, 1 rush TD

1365 total yards, 9 total TDs. Top-5 FF WR, IMO.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

For owners who don't do their homework, Harvin might present unbelievable value in 2012 and of all the players ADP being measured early during drafting season, Harvins is the one the is perhaps the most shocking to me (FFC has him at 4:12).

If I were to tell you that there was a WR that put up the following numbers: 175 targets, 139/1312/8…would you think that player would be available in the 3rd round, much less end of the 4th? If you group Harvins rushing/receiving stats together, thats what he produced in 2012.

The main reason I wanted no part of Harvin until now was his migraine issue. But they seem to have found a fix there and the unpredictability surrounded Harvin on a week-to-week basis seemingly has been removed, or at the very least minimized. So with that condition removed, there is a reliability with Harvin that wasnt there before. And in fairness, even with the migraines, hes missed but 3 games in 3 seasons.

Harvin is a guy the Vikings look to get the ball 10-11 times/game. From a target/rush perspective he was almost as prolific as Roddy White in 2011. And of Harvins 87 receptions, 69 were within 10 yards of the LOS. So he gets his production in higher percentage areas which in turn tells me that his production from week to week has a better chance of being consistent. At the same time, he presents some valid big play ability. For a WR eligble player to get this level of touches…Harvin perhaps presents one of the most unique value propositions in all of Fantasy Football. With his carries increasing to 52 (from a combined 33 his first 2 seasons in the NFL)…could Harvin actually broach 75 carries in 2012? Why couldnt he be the MIN version of Sproles in the running game? Even if AP is suited up Week 1, Id think the Vikings would exercise care here to distribute the workload early, moght Harvin instead of 3-4 carries/game get 5-6?. Harvin is a wild card in that context but one who could truly provide a distribution of production we havent seen out of WR for some time.

Certainly, the Vikings probably need to make sure that Harvin isnt exposed too much. But in all reality, hes the best WR and the 2nd best RB on the Vikings and aside from getting Peterson back, I have to think that finding ways to get the ball in Harvins hands 10x/game is going to be a major organizational priority and his ability to produce substantially in both the run and passing game make him deceivingly prolific since he is WR eligible.

Prediction: 82 Receptions, 1003 Receiving Yards, 6 TDs; 72 Rushes 421 Rushing Yards, 3 TDs.

 

[FF Ninja]

There is a solid case to be made for this guy to sneak into the top 10, but I can see why fantasy owners would be hesitant to draft him there. He doesn't seem like a guy who can be a standalone WR1 on his team without any other real receiving threats around him and Ponder doesn't seem like the type of QB who can make a guy a star. Plus, I don't feel that confident that they'll use him as much in the running game this year. Gerhart looked good last year and it appears that Peterson is going to be available at least in limited duty for the beginning of the season, so no need to bang up their best WR. So I'm only going to predict 30 rushes for him next year. Additionally, I think anyone predicting more than 1 rushing TD for Harvin is being very optimistic. He did have a 5 yd TD in week 17, but I doubt he gets any rushes inside the 10 next year.

The good news is that he saw an increase in targets in the second half (77). Even projecting him to come off this pace a bit, he still has a great chance to put up big numbers. The guy has a career catch rate of 68.3%, so he doesn't need a ton of targets to catch a lot of balls. At that rate he'd just need 132 targets to have 90 receptions. This is probably because he's catching a lot of short passes, resulting in just 12.0 ypr for his 3-year career.

130 targets x .67 = 87 rec x 12.0 ypr = 1044 yds 7 TD, 30 carries x 5.0 ypc = 150 yds 1 TD

So while I like his upside, does it justify drafting him ahead of guys like Dez or Julio who are also young up and comers, but with better passers and likely much more passing TDs to go around? I don't know right now. I'd much rather have Harvin at 42 than Welker at 24, though, and I think I might even like him over Welker straight up. If Ponder gets better, I think Harvin becomes the new Welker.

 

[butcher boy]

Percy Harvin is the number 2 WR in my rankings.

People forget that this guy gets tons of rushing yards for a WR and that's enough to put him ahead of the pack of elite WRs behind CJ.

88/1085/8 39/256/2

 

[sspunisher]

Vikings are one of the few teams that I probably did not watch at all last year. After some stat digging, I was pleasantly surprised with Harvin's catch percentage and got to wondering about Ponder.

With AP out or hindered by injury, Ponder won't have the luxury of a superstar RB in the backfield. I'm curious what anyone who's watched a lot of Vikings game thinks about Ponder going forward (since he's directly tied to Harvin). Ponder's stats tell an ugly story from what I see but I'd rather hear thoughts from anyone who's watched him closely last year. Brutal honesty preferred.

 

[Biabreakable]

Some quality posts in here.

I just wanted to talk about how the Vikings use Harvin in the running game. This is not something unique to Peterson being injured. Harvin will get 2-5 rushing attempts a game even with a fully healthy Peterson and Gerhart. I don't think that is going to change.

Percy Harvin

Receiving Rushing Scoring Kick ReturnsRk G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Rec Yds Y/R TD Att Yds Y/A TD TD Pts Rt Yds Y/Rt TD1 1 2011-09-11 23-106 MIN @ SDG L 17-24 2 7 3.50 0 4 15 3.75 0 0 0 1 103 103.00 12 2 2011-09-18 23-113 MIN TAM L 20-24 7 76 10.86 0 2 18 9.00 0 0 0 1 2 2.00 03 3 2011-09-25 23-120 MIN DET L 23-26 3 47 15.67 0 2 41 20.50 0 0 0 2 47 23.50 04 4 2011-10-02 23-127 MIN @ KAN L 17-22 5 42 8.40 0 4 67 16.75 0 0 0 1 25 25.00 05 5 2011-10-09 23-134 MIN ARI W 34-10 1 11 11.00 0 1 12 12.00 0 0 0 0 0 06 6 2011-10-16 23-141 MIN @ CHI L 10-39 7 78 11.14 0 1 5 5.00 0 0 0 2 48 24.00 07 7 2011-10-23 23-148 MIN GNB L 27-33 2 15 7.50 0 2 8 4.00 0 0 0 2 55 27.50 08 8 2011-10-30 23-155 MIN @ CAR W 24-21 4 58 14.50 0 4 19 4.75 1 1 6 0 0 09 9 2011-11-14 23-170 MIN @ GNB L 7-45 6 52 8.67 0 3 18 6.00 0 0 0 0 0 010 10 2011-11-20 23-176 MIN OAK L 21-27 6 73 12.17 1 5 21 4.20 0 1 6 1 14 14.00 011 11 2011-11-27 23-183 MIN @ ATL L 14-24 8 95 11.88 1 5 11 2.20 0 1 6 1 104 104.00 012 12 2011-12-04 23-190 MIN DEN L 32-35 8 156 19.50 2 5 19 3.80 0 2 12 0 0 013 13 2011-12-11 23-197 MIN @ DET L 28-34 10 69 6.90 1 4 40 10.00 0 1 6 1 47 47.00 014 14 2011-12-18 23-204 MIN NOR L 20-42 3 8 2.67 0 1 -1 -1.00 0 0 0 1 28 28.00 015 15 2011-12-24 23-210 MIN @ WAS W 33-26 5 65 13.00 1 4 39 9.75 0 1 6 3 47 15.67 016 16 2012-01-01 23-218 MIN CHI L 13-17 10 115 11.50 0 5 13 2.60 1 1 6 0 0 016 Games 87 967 11.11 6 52 345 6.63 2 8 48 16 520 32.50 1
What I see here is that they never give Harvin more than 5 carries in a game but there is a consistent commitment to getting him a few each game. The Vikings run some option, play action and misdirection off of Harvins runs as well. Assuming Harvin is healthy all year he should get somewhere between 32-80 carries over the season. I would project that to 55-80 carries at 6ypc for floor and ceiling. I do not think Harvins carries will increase that much as even when Peterson was down they limited his carries to 5 a game.

I expect Harvin to have a very similar year as last year but it is likely he scores a couple more TD as I think the Viking offense will be better overall.

sspunisher - I watched every Viking game last year and I still have not seen enough of Ponder to know if he is going to be the long term answer or not. I don't think even the coaches know that for sure yet. He has some good pocket awareness at times and can throw pretty accurately when not under a ton of pressure. I did not get to see that often last season as the Vikings offensive line was really bad especially at the tackle positions. I believe Kalil will mean a great improvement in the pass protection but right tackle Loadholt still is a liability in pass protection. I do think this will help Ponder improve on last year but how much he improves remains to be seen.

 

[Hoosier16]

Some quality posts in here.

I just wanted to talk about how the Vikings use Harvin in the running game. This is not something unique to Peterson being injured. Harvin will get 2-5 rushing attempts a game even with a fully healthy Peterson and Gerhart. I don't think that is going to change.

I would project that to 55-80 carries at 6ypc for floor and ceiling. I do not think Harvins carries will increase that much as even when Peterson was down they limited his carries to 5 a game.

During the 6 games in which Peterson was hurt, Harvin had 28 carries (4.67 cpg). In the 10 games he wasn't, Harvin had 23 carries (2.3 cpg). I don't think Harvin will approach 80 carries and will more likely be around 2.5 carries per game, or about 40 for the season.In addition, during the games Peterson was hurt, Harvin had 62 targets, 47 receptions, 394 yards and 6 TDs. In the other games, he was 58-40-394-0. His workload and productivity was much, much higher during Peterson's absence.

40 rushes, 280 yards, 1 TD rushing

110 targets, 75 rec, 900 yards, 6 TDs

 

[tikitime]

Drafted him last year with high hopes. Had to include him as a "throw-in" on a trade late in the year. Right after the trade, he went on his tear

I see him being even more of a focal point of the offense this year, with ADP recovering.

150 targets, 96 receptions (64%) catch rate, 1100 rec. yards, 8 rec. TD, 50 rush, 265 rush yards, 1 rush TD

1365 total yards, 9 total TDs. Top-5 FF WR, IMO.

I included him and Lynch as "throw-ins". My trade partner wanted Daniel Thomas and Santonio Holmes, Lynch/Harvin was my counter.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

Some quality posts in here. I just wanted to talk about how the Vikings use Harvin in the running game. This is not something unique to Peterson being injured. Harvin will get 2-5 rushing attempts a game even with a fully healthy Peterson and Gerhart. I don't think that is going to change.Percy Harvin

Receiving	Rushing	Scoring	Kick ReturnsRk	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	TD	Pts	Rt	Yds	Y/Rt	TD1	1	2011-09-11	23-106	MIN	@	SDG	L 17-24	2	7	3.50	0	4	15	3.75	0	0	0	1	103	103.00	12	2	2011-09-18	23-113	MIN		TAM	L 20-24	7	76	10.86	0	2	18	9.00	0	0	0	1	2	2.00	03	3	2011-09-25	23-120	MIN		DET	L 23-26	3	47	15.67	0	2	41	20.50	0	0	0	2	47	23.50	04	4	2011-10-02	23-127	MIN	@	KAN	L 17-22	5	42	8.40	0	4	67	16.75	0	0	0	1	25	25.00	05	5	2011-10-09	23-134	MIN		ARI	W 34-10	1	11	11.00	0	1	12	12.00	0	0	0	0	0		06	6	2011-10-16	23-141	MIN	@	CHI	L 10-39	7	78	11.14	0	1	5	5.00	0	0	0	2	48	24.00	07	7	2011-10-23	23-148	MIN		GNB	L 27-33	2	15	7.50	0	2	8	4.00	0	0	0	2	55	27.50	08	8	2011-10-30	23-155	MIN	@	CAR	W 24-21	4	58	14.50	0	4	19	4.75	1	1	6	0	0		09	9	2011-11-14	23-170	MIN	@	GNB	L 7-45	6	52	8.67	0	3	18	6.00	0	0	0	0	0		010	10	2011-11-20	23-176	MIN		OAK	L 21-27	6	73	12.17	1	5	21	4.20	0	1	6	1	14	14.00	011	11	2011-11-27	23-183	MIN	@	ATL	L 14-24	8	95	11.88	1	5	11	2.20	0	1	6	1	104	104.00	012	12	2011-12-04	23-190	MIN		DEN	L 32-35	8	156	19.50	2	5	19	3.80	0	2	12	0	0		013	13	2011-12-11	23-197	MIN	@	DET	L 28-34	10	69	6.90	1	4	40	10.00	0	1	6	1	47	47.00	014	14	2011-12-18	23-204	MIN		NOR	L 20-42	3	8	2.67	0	1	-1	-1.00	0	0	0	1	28	28.00	015	15	2011-12-24	23-210	MIN	@	WAS	W 33-26	5	65	13.00	1	4	39	9.75	0	1	6	3	47	15.67	016	16	2012-01-01	23-218	MIN		CHI	L 13-17	10	115	11.50	0	5	13	2.60	1	1	6	0	0		016 Games						87	967	11.11	6	52	345	6.63	2	8	48	16	520	32.50	1

What I see here is that they never give Harvin more than 5 carries in a game but there is a consistent commitment to getting him a few each game. The Vikings run some option, play action and misdirection off of Harvins runs as well. Assuming Harvin is healthy all year he should get somewhere between 32-80 carries over the season. I would project that to 55-80 carries at 6ypc for floor and ceiling. I do not think Harvins carries will increase that much as even when Peterson was down they limited his carries to 5 a game.I expect Harvin to have a very similar year as last year but it is likely he scores a couple more TD as I think the Viking offense will be better overall.sspunisher - I watched every Viking game last year and I still have not seen enough of Ponder to know if he is going to be the long term answer or not. I don't think even the coaches know that for sure yet. He has some good pocket awareness at times and can throw pretty accurately when not under a ton of pressure. I did not get to see that often last season as the Vikings offensive line was really bad especially at the tackle positions. I believe Kalil will mean a great improvement in the pass protection but right tackle Loadholt still is a liability in pass protection. I do think this will help Ponder improve on last year but how much he improves remains to be seen.

Color me a believer in Ponder. A good portion of the time a good rookie year for a QB looks like Ponder's........with Cam's success it tends to skew things. Ponder had some real calm/cool/collected moments and of course the what the #### are u thinking moments, but I believe his redzone efficiency was pretty good and that is one of the more telling pressure stats for such a young qb. As stated the improved OL should ever so greatly help ponder as well as rudolph being more seasoned and ready to go along with carlson. If simpson can just be a viable deep threat the offense could have some real punch midway thru the year once everyone's gelled and AP is 100%

 

[getsmartt]

(Rotoworld) Saying he's "not happy with a couple situations," Percy Harvin strongly suggested Tuesday he'll skip the beginning of training camp. Analysis: Harvin didn't elaborate on the "situations," but said they must be resolved before he reports to camp. Harvin currently stands to make a total of just $2.465 million under the final two years of his rookie deal. Only one month removed from his 24th birthday, Harvin was the No. 7 fantasy receiver last season. With Adrian Peterson (knee surgery) questionable for Week 1, the Vikings can ill-afford to lose their No. 1 wideout to a holdout.

someone wants more money... and rightly deserves it.

 

[Silver & Black]

(Rotoworld) Saying he's "not happy with a couple situations," Percy Harvin strongly suggested Tuesday he'll skip the beginning of training camp. Analysis: Harvin didn't elaborate on the "situations," but said they must be resolved before he reports to camp. Harvin currently stands to make a total of just $2.465 million under the final two years of his rookie deal. Only one month removed from his 24th birthday, Harvin was the No. 7 fantasy receiver last season. With Adrian Peterson (knee surgery) questionable for Week 1, the Vikings can ill-afford to lose their No. 1 wideout to a holdout.

someone wants more money... and rightly deserves it.

I'm not so sure I would open the vault for Harvin just yet if I were the Vikes. He has missed significant time with chronic migraines and other ailments. I am a huge believer of his talent, but until he proves he can stay healthy for a full slate, I wouldn't be so quick to give him a monster contract, regardless of AP's readiness for the 2012 campaign.

 

[meyerj31]

(Rotoworld) Saying he's "not happy with a couple situations," Percy Harvin strongly suggested Tuesday he'll skip the beginning of training camp. Analysis: Harvin didn't elaborate on the "situations," but said they must be resolved before he reports to camp. Harvin currently stands to make a total of just $2.465 million under the final two years of his rookie deal. Only one month removed from his 24th birthday, Harvin was the No. 7 fantasy receiver last season. With Adrian Peterson (knee surgery) questionable for Week 1, the Vikings can ill-afford to lose their No. 1 wideout to a holdout.

someone wants more money... and rightly deserves it.

I'm not so sure I would open the vault for Harvin just yet if I were the Vikes. He has missed significant time with chronic migraines and other ailments. I am a huge believer of his talent, but until he proves he can stay healthy for a full slate, I wouldn't be so quick to give him a monster contract, regardless of AP's readiness for the 2012 campaign.

These posts need to stop. He's missed 3 games over 3 years and the migraine issue was solved - he has sleep apnea, and that is easily corrected with a breathing apparatus used over-night.Calvin Johnson has missed 2 games in the past three years and nobody glances at downgrading him because of injury concerns.

But hey, fine, if everyone else wants to ##### on him for missing three games I'll go ahead and keep taking him when he drops too far (in virtually every draft I've seen). I consider him underrated taken anywhere in the 3rd - easy late 2nd in Dynasty format, yet he's fallen to the 4th in half the drafts I review.

 

[TheGrimReaper]

(Rotoworld) Saying he's "not happy with a couple situations," Percy Harvin strongly suggested Tuesday he'll skip the beginning of training camp. Analysis: Harvin didn't elaborate on the "situations," but said they must be resolved before he reports to camp. Harvin currently stands to make a total of just $2.465 million under the final two years of his rookie deal. Only one month removed from his 24th birthday, Harvin was the No. 7 fantasy receiver last season. With Adrian Peterson (knee surgery) questionable for Week 1, the Vikings can ill-afford to lose their No. 1 wideout to a holdout.

someone wants more money... and rightly deserves it.

I'm not so sure I would open the vault for Harvin just yet if I were the Vikes. He has missed significant time with chronic migraines and other ailments. I am a huge believer of his talent, but until he proves he can stay healthy for a full slate, I wouldn't be so quick to give him a monster contract, regardless of AP's readiness for the 2012 campaign.

These posts need to stop. He's missed 3 games over 3 years and the migraine issue was solved - he has sleep apnea, and that is easily corrected with a breathing apparatus used over-night.Calvin Johnson has missed 2 games in the past three years and nobody glances at downgrading him because of injury concerns.

But hey, fine, if everyone else wants to ##### on him for missing three games I'll go ahead and keep taking him when he drops too far (in virtually every draft I've seen). I consider him underrated taken anywhere in the 3rd - easy late 2nd in Dynasty format, yet he's fallen to the 4th in half the drafts I review.

Sshh!!! Let them keep believing that. We get him cheaper that way.

 

[Silver & Black]

(Rotoworld) Saying he's "not happy with a couple situations," Percy Harvin strongly suggested Tuesday he'll skip the beginning of training camp. Analysis: Harvin didn't elaborate on the "situations," but said they must be resolved before he reports to camp. Harvin currently stands to make a total of just $2.465 million under the final two years of his rookie deal. Only one month removed from his 24th birthday, Harvin was the No. 7 fantasy receiver last season. With Adrian Peterson (knee surgery) questionable for Week 1, the Vikings can ill-afford to lose their No. 1 wideout to a holdout.

someone wants more money... and rightly deserves it.

I'm not so sure I would open the vault for Harvin just yet if I were the Vikes. He has missed significant time with chronic migraines and other ailments. I am a huge believer of his talent, but until he proves he can stay healthy for a full slate, I wouldn't be so quick to give him a monster contract, regardless of AP's readiness for the 2012 campaign.

These posts need to stop. He's missed 3 games over 3 years and the migraine issue was solved - he has sleep apnea, and that is easily corrected with a breathing apparatus used over-night.Calvin Johnson has missed 2 games in the past three years and nobody glances at downgrading him because of injury concerns.

But hey, fine, if everyone else wants to ##### on him for missing three games I'll go ahead and keep taking him when he drops too far (in virtually every draft I've seen). I consider him underrated taken anywhere in the 3rd - easy late 2nd in Dynasty format, yet he's fallen to the 4th in half the drafts I review.

I've owned Harvin all 3 years he has been in the league. Like I said, I nthink he is a talented WR. That said, even though he has only "missed" 3 full games, he has been missing in action for big chunks of many of the games he has played in, causing tremendous frustration. In 2009 he played 15 games, had 60 catches for 790 yards and 6 tds. in 2010, he played 14 games had 71 catches for 868 and 5 tds. Last year, he played in all 16 games had 87 for 967 yards and 6 tds.I'm a fan of Harvin's but his 2011 stats for a full slate, while nice, aren't blow your doors off numbers. I hope you are right and he is over his sleep apnea issues, but to me, he is a risk to give a huge contract to at this point in time. He has had shoulder issues, that while didn't cause him to miss any games last year, led him to miss a lot of time during many of those games. Plus, when healthy, that offense runs through Peterson.

I hope you guys are right and Harvin stays healthy and has a nice season. There are just too many other solid WR's out there without as much risk I would rather spend my auction dollars on. Just my 2 cents.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Now he's evidently requested a trade.

 

[Sweet Love]

Now he's evidently requested a trade.

They were talking about it on Sirius and a host brought up an interesting point. Basically, he said that when it is about money, guys are not shy/cryptic about letting the press know about it, and Harvin was very evasive (felt he needed to say something, but wouldn't say what it is). I believe he has two years left on his contract and is getting a tad over 900k in 2012. If it is money, it is a problem that "can" be solved (not saying it should just can be), but if it is an issue with scheme/teammates/coaches, that really can't change all that much. Trust me, as a Jets fan, I am well aware of it.

 

[Team Legacy]

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[Bronx Bomber]

(Rotoworld) Saying he's "not happy with a couple situations," Percy Harvin strongly suggested Tuesday he'll skip the beginning of training camp. Analysis: Harvin didn't elaborate on the "situations," but said they must be resolved before he reports to camp. Harvin currently stands to make a total of just $2.465 million under the final two years of his rookie deal. Only one month removed from his 24th birthday, Harvin was the No. 7 fantasy receiver last season. With Adrian Peterson (knee surgery) questionable for Week 1, the Vikings can ill-afford to lose their No. 1 wideout to a holdout.

someone wants more money... and rightly deserves it.

I'm not so sure I would open the vault for Harvin just yet if I were the Vikes. He has missed significant time with chronic migraines and other ailments. I am a huge believer of his talent, but until he proves he can stay healthy for a full slate, I wouldn't be so quick to give him a monster contract, regardless of AP's readiness for the 2012 campaign.

These posts need to stop. He's missed 3 games over 3 years and the migraine issue was solved - he has sleep apnea, and that is easily corrected with a breathing apparatus used over-night.Calvin Johnson has missed 2 games in the past three years and nobody glances at downgrading him because of injury concerns.

But hey, fine, if everyone else wants to ##### on him for missing three games I'll go ahead and keep taking him when he drops too far (in virtually every draft I've seen). I consider him underrated taken anywhere in the 3rd - easy late 2nd in Dynasty format, yet he's fallen to the 4th in half the drafts I review.

I've owned Harvin all 3 years he has been in the league. Like I said, I nthink he is a talented WR. That said, even though he has only "missed" 3 full games, he has been missing in action for big chunks of many of the games he has played in, causing tremendous frustration. In 2009 he played 15 games, had 60 catches for 790 yards and 6 tds. in 2010, he played 14 games had 71 catches for 868 and 5 tds. Last year, he played in all 16 games had 87 for 967 yards and 6 tds.I'm a fan of Harvin's but his 2011 stats for a full slate, while nice, aren't blow your doors off numbers. I hope you are right and he is over his sleep apnea issues, but to me, he is a risk to give a huge contract to at this point in time. He has had shoulder issues, that while didn't cause him to miss any games last year, led him to miss a lot of time during many of those games. Plus, when healthy, that offense runs through Peterson.

I hope you guys are right and Harvin stays healthy and has a nice season. There are just too many other solid WR's out there without as much risk I would rather spend my auction dollars on. Just my 2 cents.

I don't know what a normal % of snaps is for starters but I saw this tweet and it seems low to me. ProFootballFocus.com ProFootbalFocus@

Harvin is one of the league's most feared weapons, but he played 58.8% of Vikings offensive snaps last year. That'd upset us too. 9:35am - 20 Jun 12

 

[rjv]

According to ESPN Harvin is requesting a trade from Vikes.

 

[Warhogs]

(Rotoworld) Saying he's "not happy with a couple situations," Percy Harvin strongly suggested Tuesday he'll skip the beginning of training camp. Analysis: Harvin didn't elaborate on the "situations," but said they must be resolved before he reports to camp. Harvin currently stands to make a total of just $2.465 million under the final two years of his rookie deal. Only one month removed from his 24th birthday, Harvin was the No. 7 fantasy receiver last season. With Adrian Peterson (knee surgery) questionable for Week 1, the Vikings can ill-afford to lose their No. 1 wideout to a holdout.

someone wants more money... and rightly deserves it.

I'm not so sure I would open the vault for Harvin just yet if I were the Vikes. He has missed significant time with chronic migraines and other ailments. I am a huge believer of his talent, but until he proves he can stay healthy for a full slate, I wouldn't be so quick to give him a monster contract, regardless of AP's readiness for the 2012 campaign.

These posts need to stop. He's missed 3 games over 3 years and the migraine issue was solved - he has sleep apnea, and that is easily corrected with a breathing apparatus used over-night.Calvin Johnson has missed 2 games in the past three years and nobody glances at downgrading him because of injury concerns.

But hey, fine, if everyone else wants to ##### on him for missing three games I'll go ahead and keep taking him when he drops too far (in virtually every draft I've seen). I consider him underrated taken anywhere in the 3rd - easy late 2nd in Dynasty format, yet he's fallen to the 4th in half the drafts I review.

I've owned Harvin all 3 years he has been in the league. Like I said, I nthink he is a talented WR. That said, even though he has only "missed" 3 full games, he has been missing in action for big chunks of many of the games he has played in, causing tremendous frustration. In 2009 he played 15 games, had 60 catches for 790 yards and 6 tds. in 2010, he played 14 games had 71 catches for 868 and 5 tds. Last year, he played in all 16 games had 87 for 967 yards and 6 tds.I'm a fan of Harvin's but his 2011 stats for a full slate, while nice, aren't blow your doors off numbers. I hope you are right and he is over his sleep apnea issues, but to me, he is a risk to give a huge contract to at this point in time. He has had shoulder issues, that while didn't cause him to miss any games last year, led him to miss a lot of time during many of those games. Plus, when healthy, that offense runs through Peterson.

I hope you guys are right and Harvin stays healthy and has a nice season. There are just too many other solid WR's out there without as much risk I would rather spend my auction dollars on. Just my 2 cents.

I don't know what a normal % of snaps is for starters but I saw this tweet and it seems low to me. ProFootballFocus.com ProFootbalFocus@

Harvin is one of the league's most feared weapons, but he played 58.8% of Vikings offensive snaps last year. That'd upset us too. 9:35am - 20 Jun 12

I seem to recall some discussion about that from the local Minneapolis sports radio station. It seems several people were upset about a lot of snaps he was not in there including key plays when they had a drive going for a potential score. I don't recall if they felt it was coaching but I thought there was some comments about Percy not being available for those plays and I don't recall if it was fatigue or injury or what? He is a great player when he is on the field but he is out of the game on a lot of plays too.

 

[Buck Stop]

My spidey sense says this is NOT about money. Not looking good for Vikings fans....

 

[Biabreakable]

Some quality posts in here.

I just wanted to talk about how the Vikings use Harvin in the running game. This is not something unique to Peterson being injured. Harvin will get 2-5 rushing attempts a game even with a fully healthy Peterson and Gerhart. I don't think that is going to change.

I would project that to 55-80 carries at 6ypc for floor and ceiling. I do not think Harvins carries will increase that much as even when Peterson was down they limited his carries to 5 a game.

During the 6 games in which Peterson was hurt, Harvin had 28 carries (4.67 cpg). In the 10 games he wasn't, Harvin had 23 carries (2.3 cpg). I don't think Harvin will approach 80 carries and will more likely be around 2.5 carries per game, or about 40 for the season.In addition, during the games Peterson was hurt, Harvin had 62 targets, 47 receptions, 394 yards and 6 TDs. In the other games, he was 58-40-394-0. His workload and productivity was much, much higher during Peterson's absence.

40 rushes, 280 yards, 1 TD rushing

110 targets, 75 rec, 900 yards, 6 TDs

I think your more conservative projection is reasonable from the data your considering. However I was going to point out that Harvin was not as involved in the Viking offense as he could be. I was/am expecting him to play more than the 55% of snaps he was involved in last season. That the motion and misdirection the Vikings employ with him 10-15 times a game seems to be something they want to continue. It is a big part of the Viking offense and I see that continuing. So I consider it likely that he will continue to see a similar amount of carries as last season.Harvin is the Vikings 3rd Rb and Wr 1. I think the Vikings will limit AD's touches at times and lean more heavily on Gerhardt. When they are doing that they will be looking for more explosive plays from Harvin in the running game. They do this even when AD is healthy. I expect to see it more this year while they work AD in more slowly. Harvin as the 3rd RB has additional upside because if AD does miss any time Harvin will likely see the touches that Booker and other lesser RB got last season. So another reason for my perhaps more optimistic projection.

Of course now with him asking for a trade I am not sure what is going to happen. I hope that Harvin is petitioning for more involvement in the offense and that the Vikings can resolve whatever issues he may currently be having with the team. Harvin asking for a trade immediately following the OTAs tells me he saw something about how he would be used that he did not like.

 

[Bird]

My spidey sense says this is NOT about money. Not looking good for Vikings fans....

I think it is related to money but more about his existing contract and not so much about ripping up his rookie contract. Per Rotoworldercy Harvin can boost his 2013 base salary to $3,343,750 based on catches and a potential Pro Bowl appearance in 2012.It's an escalator available in the final year of Harvin's rookie contract. It's still bargain money for quite arguably the most dynamic slot receiver in the game. Last year, he is on the field for less than 60% of the offensive snaps. If this is a coach's decision then I can see Harvin complaining about playing time especially if he is at practice this year and sees that he is still being utilized the same as last year. He looks at his team and wonders why he is not on the field as he his clearly one of their best offensive weapons. He may be thinking that the Vikings are limiting his snaps to prevent him from reaching his bonus.Now, the truth probably lies somewhere between the versions of the player and team but I am fine with Harvin voicing his displeasure over playing time. He has proved he is an asset to the team and if the Vikings really are limiting his snaps to prevent escalators being reached on an already agreed upon contract then he needs to get away from that team any way possible.

 

[LawFitz]

if the Vikings really are limiting his snaps to prevent escalators being reached on an already agreed upon contract then he needs to get away from that team any way possible.

If this is true, then Percy needs to get the heck outta dodge. And for anyone bashing the guy's production, it's pretty amazing what he did last year with less than 60% of the snaps.

 

[meyerj31]

if the Vikings really are limiting his snaps to prevent escalators being reached on an already agreed upon contract then he needs to get away from that team any way possible.

If this is true, then Percy needs to get the heck outta dodge. And for anyone bashing the guy's production, it's pretty amazing what he did last year with less than 60% of the snaps.

This is f*cking r*tarded.I'm sorry, but there is no way an NFL team is going to limit the snaps of their best offensive player in order to save $1M over 1 year, or even a few million on any given year. FFS the cap is $120M.The Vikings might be limiting his snaps, but it's absolutely not based on financial concerns - it's based on keeping Harvin healthy and playing a full schedule. And if Harvin doesn't realize that, he's the f*cking r*tarded one.

 

[az_prof]

if the Vikings really are limiting his snaps to prevent escalators being reached on an already agreed upon contract then he needs to get away from that team any way possible.

If this is true, then Percy needs to get the heck outta dodge. And for anyone bashing the guy's production, it's pretty amazing what he did last year with less than 60% of the snaps.

This is f*cking r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d.I'm sorry, but there is no way an NFL team is going to limit the snaps of their best offensive player in order to save $1M over 1 year, or even a few million on any given year. FFS the cap is $120M.The Vikings might be limiting his snaps, but it's absolutely not based on financial concerns - it's based on keeping Harvin healthy and playing a full schedule. And if Harvin doesn't realize that, he's the f*cking r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d one.

I agree. I am a long time Vikings fan and very disappointed in Harvin. He is a young guy; play out the contract, do well, and you will be rewarded. In the meantime, he is making plenty of dough. And as for PT, how often was he on the sideline because of an injury or a migraine? The season hasn't even started and he is already whining? I would send his #### packing to the worst team in the league. I am so sick of WRs and RBs complaining--none of them do anything without blockers and quarterbacks.

 

[Heatman]

if the Vikings really are limiting his snaps to prevent escalators being reached on an already agreed upon contract then he needs to get away from that team any way possible.

If this is true, then Percy needs to get the heck outta dodge. And for anyone bashing the guy's production, it's pretty amazing what he did last year with less than 60% of the snaps.

This is f*cking r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d.I'm sorry, but there is no way an NFL team is going to limit the snaps of their best offensive player in order to save $1M over 1 year, or even a few million on any given year. FFS the cap is $120M.The Vikings might be limiting his snaps, but it's absolutely not based on financial concerns - it's based on keeping Harvin healthy and playing a full schedule. And if Harvin doesn't realize that, he's the f*cking r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d one.

I agree. I am a long time Vikings fan and very disappointed in Harvin. He is a young guy; play out the contract, do well, and you will be rewarded. In the meantime, he is making plenty of dough. And as for PT, how often was he on the sideline because of an injury or a migraine? The season hasn't even started and he is already whining? I would send his #### packing to the worst team in the league. I am so sick of WRs and RBs complaining--none of them do anything without blockers and quarterbacks.

I can see his point though. How many times in the red zone were him AND Peterson on the bench? Aren't you trying to win the game? Shouldn't your best play makers be in the game in scoring situations? This is what Childress brought to the team and Frazier is still following the same idiotic offensive philosophy. You can't tell me that Gerhart (even though I like him) and backup receivers give them a better chance to score.

 

[Art Vandalay]

Percy Harvin arrives for start of Vikes camp Percy Harvin arrived to Vikings training camp Thursday, as expected.

Now that hes in camp and with a gimpy ADP to start the season I thnk it's fair to say Harvin is a top 5 option at WR.

Last year he managed to go for 1300 and 8 tds and that was with limited plaiying time.

I expect to see him continue where he left off at the end of last year when he was given more responsibilty and with Ponder able to create a dynamic young duo between the two.

91 Catches 1100 yards

50 Carries 300 yards

1400 and 9 td's

A sligth upstick from last year but with consitent yardage every game he never busts making him very valuable

 

[swirvenirvin]

Is it safe to say Harvin is going to get 40+ rushing attempts again this year?

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

Is it safe to say Harvin is going to get 40+ rushing attempts again this year?

I sure hope so! I don't think that's unreasonable. That's 2.5 carries per game. I took him as my number 1 receiver because WRs went quick and I'm okay with this if he plays like he ended last year.

 

[Eviloutsider]

if the Vikings really are limiting his snaps to prevent escalators being reached on an already agreed upon contract then he needs to get away from that team any way possible.

If this is true, then Percy needs to get the heck outta dodge. And for anyone bashing the guy's production, it's pretty amazing what he did last year with less than 60% of the snaps.

This is f*cking r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d.I'm sorry, but there is no way an NFL team is going to limit the snaps of their best offensive player in order to save $1M over 1 year, or even a few million on any given year. FFS the cap is $120M.

The Vikings might be limiting his snaps, but it's absolutely not based on financial concerns - it's based on keeping Harvin healthy and playing a full schedule. And if Harvin doesn't realize that, he's the f*cking r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d one.

I agree. I am a long time Vikings fan and very disappointed in Harvin. He is a young guy; play out the contract, do well, and you will be rewarded. In the meantime, he is making plenty of dough. And as for PT, how often was he on the sideline because of an injury or a migraine? The season hasn't even started and he is already whining? I would send his #### packing to the worst team in the league. I am so sick of WRs and RBs complaining--none of them do anything without blockers and quarterbacks.

Unless he is going to the CFL or XFL, he can't go any lower.

 

[Biabreakable]

Is it safe to say Harvin is going to get 40+ rushing attempts again this year?

The follow up reports after they smoothed things out with Harvin from Frasier were that they do not intend to increase Percy Harvins workload any more than what he has been getting. However with Simpson sitting 2 games and Childs now injured I do not think the Vikings will have much choice. Particularly if Peterson misses time, as I think they will take it easy on AD's workload.

 

[Biabreakable]

Harvin Delivering For VikingsPosted Sep 27, 2012EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (AP) - Percy Harvin sat down at a table outside the Minnesota Vikings' locker room after a long day of practice, the sun shining on his head, a big smile on his face.Harvin leads the NFL in receptions, and that's just the beginning of his influence. He has become an indispensable piece of the team and presence in the locker room, helping the Vikings get off to a surprising 2-1 start.And make no mistake - these Vikings are becoming his team as much as anyone else's.``Percy's the best player in the NFL right now,'' Vikings linebacker Chad Greenway said. ``I'd like to see anybody challenge that with the way he's carrying the football and the way he's really driving our team along.''To see Harvin put up the kind of numbers he has through the first three games - 27 catches for 277 yards - is nothing new. His combination of speed, power and unyielding tenaciousness has made him a problem for defenses, and kick coverage units, ever since he broke into the league in 2009.To hear him speak glowingly about the Vikings just three months after requesting a trade, and to watch his teammates follow his lead the way they have this season, is something altogether different.Harvin requested a trade in June after growing unhappy with the Vikings. Now, he couldn't be happier with his role in the offense and is a member of the leadership council that acts as a liaison between the team and coaching staff.His stature within the team is growing, and Harvin welcomes the responsibility.``It just gives me all the confidence in the world and it makes me love this place even more to know your teammates and everybody have each other's backs,'' Harvin said.Greenway compared Harvin's effect on the team as similar to what safety Bob Sanders did for the Iowa Hawkeyes during their run to the Orange Bowl in 2003.``He just taught us all to play at another level. He just did,'' Greenway said of Sanders. ``He played at a different speed and he just teaches everybody to play at a different speed. If you're not willing to play at that speed then you're not going to make it. I think Percy's that same guy. He's at that next level. If we can all just tag along and come with him, we're going to do a lot of great things.''Harvin credited offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave with putting him in the right positions to produce. That's a heartening stance after Harvin's role in the red zone last year was minimized and may have played a role in his desire to play elsewhere.But Harvin and the rest of the Vikings' offense appears much more comfortable in the second year of Musgrave's system. Quarterback Christian Ponder has taken more control in his first full season as a starter, tight end Kyle Rudolph is emerging as a legitimate threat over the middle and Adrian Peterson is getting closer to being fully healthy after knee surgery.``Last year I think a lot of us didn't know the offense like we wanted to know it,'' Harvin said. ``We knew it, but not up and down. We were just out there playing just trying to make plays.``This year guys took it upon themselves to transform their bodies, to know the playbook up and down. So when we come on the field, it's easy for Musgrave to say, `Hey Percy, go play this position. Hey Rudolph, go play this position.' Because we all kind of know each other's positions.''Receivers coach George Stewart has been in Minnesota for all four of Harvin's seasons. He's seen Harvin struggle to stay on the field because of migraine headaches and endure the ups and downs of finding his way in the league.``Early in his career it was up, down, up, down,'' Stewart said. ``He had migraines, couldn't practice. Nothing jointed. Everything was disjointed. Now those migraines are behind him.``When he first came into the league, he was a running back. He wasn't a wide receiver. We played him in the slot, but now he's doing everything. He's catching balls on the outside. He's a great slot player. But the consistency of being a professional is the biggest thing.''Ponder has an easier answer for Harvin's temperament.``I'd be happy if I was getting the ball as much as he is,'' Ponder quipped. ``He's doing well. He's a great teammate. Everyone loves him and loves being around him. He's stepping up huge right now this season. I know he's happy to be a Minnesota Viking and he's showing that right now.''Coach Leslie Frazier said ``I'd dread to think of where we'd be without him.''Harvin has one more year left on his contract after this one, and the Vikings have a history of extending core players before their last season arrives. That's not on Harvin's mind at the moment, but an extension certainly looks a lot more realistic today than it did earlier this summer.``I think he understands how he goes, our football team goes,'' Stewart said. ``He is one of the faces of the Minnesota Vikings. He has to be that positive influence on our football team and he's doing an outstanding job doing it.''

http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Harvin-Delivering-For-Vikings/39c6848b-32e2-4424-8e34-7f446cc3de0aJust today coach Frazier was referring to Harvin as the Vikings MVP. This seems like the beginning of a very good relationship and career for him with the Vikings. Frazier said they would not be doing much different with Harvin preseason, but that has proven to be false. Harvin has been much more involved and right now Harvin is tied for 8th most targets in the league after 3 games. Calvin Johnson is the only other player with above 80% catch percentage of the most targeted receivers. Harvin has caught 83.9% of his targets, Calvin 80.6%. Of all players above 25 targets over 3 games the next guys are Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez at 74.1%. Crabtree is 79.2% on 24 targets. While Harvin and Calvin Johnson are very different players they stand apart in this way right now compared to the rest of the league.

 

[Nucker101]

Harvin looks like a lock to finish as a top 10, likely top 5 WR in PPR leagues. This guy is one of the best offensive players in the league, I'm glad that his migraine issues are behind him. I was shocked that he fell into the 4th and 5th rounds of some drafts this year. He and Ponder should be a great combination for years to come.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Harvin looks like a lock to finish as a top 10, likely top 5 WR in PPR leagues. This guy is one of the best offensive players in the league, I'm glad that his migraine issues are behind him. I was shocked that he fell into the 4th and 5th rounds of some drafts this year. He and Ponder should be a great combination for years to come.

He needs to find the endzone to be top 5. If he doesn't find the endzone vs the Lions I'll be concerned. I have this guy in about every league as I thouht he represented tremendous value mid 4th but let's get a few Tds.

 

[solorca]

Harvin looks like a lock to finish as a top 10, likely top 5 WR in PPR leagues. This guy is one of the best offensive players in the league, I'm glad that his migraine issues are behind him. I was shocked that he fell into the 4th and 5th rounds of some drafts this year. He and Ponder should be a great combination for years to come.

He needs to find the endzone to be top 5. If he doesn't find the endzone vs the Lions I'll be concerned. I have this guy in about every league as I thouht he represented tremendous value mid 4th but let's get a few Tds.

He's number four in PPR scoring right now without any touchdowns. That isn't to say he score some this year, but he's one of the few players in the fantasy who can put up top level points without scoring. The crazy thing is that he's put up these numbers without having a big breakout game...he's just been a consistently good player. He is also one of the rare players who is relatively matchup proof, because he gets so much work behind the line of scrimmage. Even if I didn't own him, he's one of my favorite players to watch. I love the guy.

 

[Biabreakable]

Harvin looks like a lock to finish as a top 10, likely top 5 WR in PPR leagues. This guy is one of the best offensive players in the league, I'm glad that his migraine issues are behind him. I was shocked that he fell into the 4th and 5th rounds of some drafts this year. He and Ponder should be a great combination for years to come.

He needs to find the endzone to be top 5. If he doesn't find the endzone vs the Lions I'll be concerned. I have this guy in about every league as I thouht he represented tremendous value mid 4th but let's get a few Tds.

Some people can never be satisfied! 27 catches (many of these at or behind the line of scrimmage) for 277 yards 8 carries for 42 yards and 8 kick returns for another 240 yards still not enough!Patience. The TDs will come. The efficiency of the yards gives you a very consistent player which is rare for the WR position.

 

[Dark Matter]

Did not get to watch this game. What happened to Percy today.

 

[RCon]

Did not get to watch this game. What happened to Percy today.

Looks like Detroit couldn't stop the run, so the Vikings kept doing it.

 

[Dark Matter]

Harvins part of the run game

 

[lbouchard]

Did not get to watch this game. What happened to Percy today.

Teams are sniffing out the short passes to Harvin. Offense is going to have to put in some wrinkles.

 

[Chazzhawk]

No, the Vikings played it ultra safe with the lead and Peterson beating the Lions up. Nothing to worry about

 

[LionOfGosforth]

No, the Vikings played it ultra safe with the lead and Peterson beating the Lions up. Nothing to worry about

Thanks was curious and a bit concerned

 

[solorca]

Percy is such a nice guy, even in a week where he can't do much on offense, he takes care of his owners with a kickoff return TD.

Love this guy.

 

[cubd8]

Anyone hear Thom Brennenan on Fox say that if could pick one non-QB to build his offense around, he'd pick Percy Harvin.

Agree with this?