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Pete Carroll to Cardinals.. (1 Viewer)

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A good friend and someone HIGHLY connected in SoCal and AZ sent me a text message today telling me that groundwork is currently being laid down for Carroll to take over the Cardinals at the end of the year. Told me that Pete would be given complete control of the franchise...something that the cardinals and the Bidwells haved never given up before.

I have ZERO idea if this could be true or not but my friend would know. Higly placed Entertainment lawyer with LOTS of ties to sports and many major clients in entertainment biz.

Just thought I'd pass this along for speculation and offer myself up for the now standard OB ripping and slashing of the messenger.

 
Most Patriots fans have a LOW opinion of Carroll's NFL coaching ability from his tenure as patriots head coach. His style of being supportive / non-confrontational / etc. is by definition collegiate, and that's probably where he needs to stay.

I would say best option for the Cardinals to either force Green to take back the offensive coordinator he fired, or to replace him with same.

 
Why in God's green Earth would Pete Carroll leave USC for the graveyard of the NFL? That would be almost as stupid as Spurrier to Wash.

Pete is just not a good NFL coach - his rah rah attitude is perfect for college but he loses the NFL players half way through the season. Jets tuned him out right afte the fake spike play!

Stay in college for Pete's sake!

 
No way this happens. You do not leave one of the top 5 college coaching positions to return to the NFL - not ever in this day and age where college coaches make as much or more than NFL coaches. Pete Carroll is a God in Socal living large with the beautiful people at the beach. Why go back to the headaches of the NFL and live in the desert?

 
Why would Pete Carroll leave one of the best coaching positions in college for the Cardinals?
Because few people reach that kind of position without being a competitive individual who wants to prove he can succeed at the highest levels and be one of the best. And when it comes to that, the NFL is the highest level and Carroll is a failure there. And if he can turn around the Cardinals he's going to have proved he is one of the best.Not saying he WILL take it. But that part of human nature is why it shouldn't be surprising if he did take it.
 
Len Pasquarelli was on ESPN radio saying the same thing. I have to believe it's nothing more than guessing and speculation (that's all Pasquaelli was saying it was)

Carroll can demand the sun and moon given what he's done of late. I don't know the Cards will give that.

Leinart helps.

But Carroll remembers the NFL all too well I'm thinking.

J

 
Why in God's green Earth would Pete Carroll leave USC for the graveyard of the NFL? That would be almost as stupid as Spurrier to Wash. Pete is just not a good NFL coach - his rah rah attitude is perfect for college but he loses the NFL players half way through the season. Jets tuned him out right afte the fake spike play! Stay in college for Pete's sake!
I have to disagree. I can't imagine that there is much of a transition from coaching a college team to coaching the Cards.
 
Most Patriots fans have a LOW opinion of Carroll's NFL coaching ability from his tenure as patriots head coach. His style of being supportive / non-confrontational / etc. is by definition collegiate, and that's probably where he needs to stay. I would say best option for the Cardinals to either force Green to take back the offensive coordinator he fired, or to replace him with same.
Most Browns fans have a LOW opinion of Bill Belichick's NFL coaching ability from his tenure as the Browns head coach.
 
Most Patriots fans have a LOW opinion of Carroll's NFL coaching ability from his tenure as patriots head coach. His style of being supportive / non-confrontational / etc. is by definition collegiate, and that's probably where he needs to stay. I would say best option for the Cardinals to either force Green to take back the offensive coordinator he fired, or to replace him with same.
Most Browns fans have a LOW opinion of Bill Belichick's NFL coaching ability from his tenure as the Browns head coach.
That's because they're stupid. :D
 
Most Patriots fans have a LOW opinion of Carroll's NFL coaching ability from his tenure as patriots head coach. His style of being supportive / non-confrontational / etc. is by definition collegiate, and that's probably where he needs to stay. I would say best option for the Cardinals to either force Green to take back the offensive coordinator he fired, or to replace him with same.
Most Browns fans have a LOW opinion of Bill Belichick's NFL coaching ability from his tenure as the Browns head coach.
Point taken. But it would be quite a bit stronger if the Browns had gone on post Belichick to absolutely dominate the league with 3 Super Bowls.J
 
All joking about Petey the Poodle aside, IMO the only way he can succed in the NFL level is with very strong, veteran assistant coaches to discipline the players. Guys like Gregg Williams, **** Jaroun, etc. Guys with lots of NFL experience to lean on.

Plus, as kind of odd as it sounds, I'll bet it would help Carrol's ego and confidence to have lots of ex-NFL coaches working for him on his staff.

 
I'll agree that it'd be odd of him to leave USC, easily the premier coaching job in the nation - NFL or college - for the Cardinals. But assuming it did somehow happen, and also assuming Jeff Fisher is fired in Tennessee, would anyone else be excited to see Norm Chow head to Arizona with Pete? With Leinart already in place I think they could craft a pretty formidable offense around the talent in the desert. It'd be exciting to watch at least, whether it be successful or a trainwreck.

 
Pete would have to come to grips with the fact that the NFL has a "hard salary cap" system in place, a constraint that he has not had to worry about in his present occupation.

 
I'll agree that it'd be odd of him to leave USC, easily the premier coaching job in the nation - NFL or college - for the Cardinals. But assuming it did somehow happen, and also assuming Jeff Fisher is fired in Tennessee, would anyone else be excited to see Norm Chow head to Arizona with Pete? With Leinart already in place I think they could craft a pretty formidable offense around the talent in the desert. It'd be exciting to watch at least, whether it be successful or a trainwreck.
Hi Dazz,Expound more if you would on how it's easily the premier pro or college job of any sport. It's way way up there no doubt. But easily the best of any sport?

J

 
Pete would have to come to grips with the fact that the NFL has a "hard salary cap" system in place, a constraint that he has not had to worry about in his present occupation.
He should call Spurrier about that. The other big one of course is that every week is like playing Notre Dame or Cal. As tough as the schedule as Florida and USC play, it's a cakewalk compared to what the Cardinals (and every NFL team) face.J
 
Pete Carrol and Charlie Weiss will have their names dropped on a lot of NFL jobs. These guys have it made where they are. NFL owners would have have sweeten that pot something serious to get one of these guys.

my 2 cents.

 
What's the temprature at USC right now? Is the NCAA bringing heat down on them for the Reggie Bush stuff?
Exactly what I was thinking. It's entirely possible that the NCAA could bring the heat and place USC on probation which would, in effect, make leaving for the NFL much more enticing I would think.Although I'm in total agreement with the rest of this thread that Carroll's ability and attitude are far better suited for the NCAA ranks.
 
I'll agree that it'd be odd of him to leave USC, easily the premier coaching job in the nation - NFL or college - for the Cardinals. But assuming it did somehow happen, and also assuming Jeff Fisher is fired in Tennessee, would anyone else be excited to see Norm Chow head to Arizona with Pete? With Leinart already in place I think they could craft a pretty formidable offense around the talent in the desert. It'd be exciting to watch at least, whether it be successful or a trainwreck.
Hi Dazz,Expound more if you would on how it's easily the premier pro or college job of any sport. It's way way up there no doubt. But easily the best of any sport?

J
I think a lot of things factor into it. Right now Pete has his pick of the litter when it comes to recruits in all of California, which is one of the two or three most important recruiting states in the nation. UCLA and Cal are second on virtually everyones list and that really doesn't tell the whole story - Carroll can essentially send an email to a kid and have him committed within the first sentence based on what they have going right now, and its starting to extend beyond California. He's pulling kids in from Arizona, Oregon, and Washington that should be locked up by other Pac-10 schools to go along with the rest of the national recruits USC grabs. They're as close a thing to a lock in Conference play that there is, and at most in any given year they'll lose two games. Compared with the Big Ten and SEC they're playing a cake in-conference schedule every year and are always going to be in contention to run the table. If you combine that with how voters view USC, even if they finished tied with two other teams in record to end the season they'd pull out the BCS Championship bid.

The only real reason I say it crosses over as the best job in all of football, NFL included, is because of the difference between NFL and collegiate coaching. I don't think it's even a question that being in college is significantly less stressful and an overall more enjoyable experience. Monetarily, Pete can be paid just as much if not more at USC than anywhere in the NFL, so financial security doesn't come into play. And as far as importance goes USC is basically LA's pro team. He has this city held hostage and the only way it can go wrong is if he lets it.

I'd say that right now, the best jobs in college football are USC, Ohio State, and Notre Dame, and with what Pete has going right now you can make an argument that USC is at the top of that list. And I also think, when push comes to shove, most coaches that have done both college and pro coaching would prefer college. Being a head coach in the NFL is an obsession, whereas being a head coach in college is an occupation. It's a lot of stress, a lot of headaches, and a lot of up and down years where you know that in the end you're probably going to be fired.

When I say easily, I think I have some rose-colored glasses from living in LA. I can't really compare how Charlie Weiss or Jim Tressel are treated where they are, but I definitely know that if all things are equal in terms of job security and strength the easy money for local as a living destination is USC.

Edit - I did make a huge mistake, I should have said easily the best football job in the country. There are college basketball spots that easily beat out almost any situation you can come up with in football, or at least equal it.

 
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-- Butch Davis wants to Return to Coaching --

Wed Oct 25, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Miami Herald reports former Cleveland Browns HC Butch Davis said that he wants to return to coaching and wouldn't rule out any college or NFL job.

Hmm...now here is a possiblity!

 
-- Butch Davis wants to Return to Coaching --

Wed Oct 25, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Miami Herald reports former Cleveland Browns HC Butch Davis said that he wants to return to coaching and wouldn't rule out any college or NFL job.

Hmm...now here is a possiblity!
I've heard Davis mentioned as UNC's coach next year.
 
Why in God's green Earth would Pete Carroll leave USC for the graveyard of the NFL? That would be almost as stupid as Spurrier to Wash. Pete is just not a good NFL coach - his rah rah attitude is perfect for college but he loses the NFL players half way through the season. Jets tuned him out right afte the fake spike play! Stay in college for Pete's sake!
I have to disagree. I can't imagine that there is much of a transition from coaching a college team to coaching the Cards.
You beat me to the punch but I would have said 'why leave one college job in Div1 for another college job in 1a?'But kidding aside, Carroll has one of the best gigs in collegiate football, has been to the dance (aka the Pros) already and I think has to know where his talent lies.All he needs to do for a reminder is dial up Norm Chow.
 
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Well, as long as we're tossing out some half-baked ideas, could Parcells end up there? Parcells has made a career of going to talented, but significantly underperforming teams and offering a quick turnaround. There is little doubt that the Cards have talent and have been significantly underperforming. And I think he's likely done in Big D after this season.

 
I seriously have to question how a supposedly top flight entertainment lawyer would fail to keep his client's confidences is matters implicating multiple millions of dollars. My B.S. meter is ticking awefully hard here.

 
Carroll will leave because USC will never be higher than they are now, and he knows it.

There will never be another Bryant or Rockne. There are too many obstacles....limited scholarships, conference depth, recruiting violations, etc.

 
Edit - I did make a huge mistake, I should have said easily the best football job in the country. There are college basketball spots that easily beat out almost any situation you can come up with in football, or at least equal it.
Thanks. I think he'll look at Spurrier and pass.J
 
-- Butch Davis wants to Return to Coaching --

Wed Oct 25, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Miami Herald reports former Cleveland Browns HC Butch Davis said that he wants to return to coaching and wouldn't rule out any college or NFL job.

Hmm...now here is a possiblity!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
Why would Pete Carroll leave one of the best coaching positions in college for the Cardinals?
:goodposting: This makes no sense. Carroll's not desperate to return to the NFL enough to settle on arguably the worst franchise in the league. He'd probably have his pick of the top 3-4 vacancies in any off season.
 
I think he'll look at Spurrier and pass.J
In reality, how many uber-successful college coaches have been successful Pro coaches (in any of the major sports)? I mean there's not just Spurrier. I don't follow the career paths of NFL coaches, but there are alot more examples of pro-level coaches being successful at the collegiate level than vice versa. Guys like Wannstadt, Pete Carrol, Al Groh are seeing alot more success now than they ever have in the NFL. Spurrier and Saban experienced the opposite. In fairness, coaching in the pro vs collegiate levels require very different skill sets (like recruitment) that makes a person more successful at one as opposed to the other.
 
Why would Pete Carroll leave one of the best coaching positions in college for the Cardinals?
:goodposting: This makes no sense. Carroll's not desperate to return to the NFL enough to settle on arguably the worst franchise in the league. He'd probably have his pick of the top 3-4 vacancies in any off season.
A) More moneyB) Has proven everything he needs to at the collegiate levelC) Needs a new challengeD) Likes the West Coast.Would love to see Carroll in AZ.
 
Edit - I did make a huge mistake, I should have said easily the best football job in the country. There are college basketball spots that easily beat out almost any situation you can come up with in football, or at least equal it.
Thanks. I think he'll look at Spurrier and pass.J
You mean look at the $5 million a year guaranteed that he still got paid while doing nothing after getting fired?Carroll could get a very nice contract and if he does well (which might not be hard with a base of Leinart, Boldin and Fitz), he is a hero on a higher level than college ball. USC is sweet, but being a successful NFL coach is a whole nother level on top of that. If he fails and gets fired after a couple years, he goes back to college with a whole lot of $$$ in hand and more $$$ coming based on the length of his deal.People looking at Spurrier will laugh, but the guy got a 5 year $25 million (from memory so it could be a little off) guaranteed because he was a highly sought after well-known college coach. After what Carroll has done at USC, he seems to be in the same great seat as Spurrier was. If he goes back to the pros, it will be for a huge deal.
 
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Edit - I did make a huge mistake, I should have said easily the best football job in the country. There are college basketball spots that easily beat out almost any situation you can come up with in football, or at least equal it.
Thanks. I think he'll look at Spurrier and pass.J
You mean look at the $5 million a year guaranteed that he still got paid while doing nothing after getting fired?Carroll could get a very nice contract and if he does well (which might not be hard with a base of Leinart, Boldin and Fitz), he is a hero on a higher level than college ball. USC is sweet, but being a successful NFL coach is a whole nother level on top of that. If he fails and gets fired after a couple years, he goes back to college with a whole lot of $$$ in hand and more $$$ coming based on the length of his deal.People looking at Spurrier will laugh, but the guy got a 5 year $25 million (from memory so it could be a little off) guaranteed because he was a highly sought after well-known college coach. After what Carroll has done at USC, he seems to be in the same great seat as Spurrier was. If he goes back to the pros, it will be for a huge deal.
First of all, Spurrier quit, so he's not getting paid. Second, Bill Bidwell cannot on his most crazy shopping day ever be confused with Dan Snyder.
 
nygiants56 said:
Pete Carroll coaching in the NFL :tfp:
:goodposting: I hope he does go though. Nothing would be more pleasing than to see that smarmy look wiped off his face when he has to cope with the fact that he can't have the best players in the league at every position on his roster. But why would he ever want to risk his "legacy" by going somewhere that he wouldn't have that astronomical advantage every year? I can't see it happening.
 
stbugs said:
Carroll could get a very nice contract and if he does well (which might not be hard with a base of Leinart, Boldin and Fitz), he is a hero on a higher level than college ball. USC is sweet, but being a successful NFL coach is a whole nother level on top of that.
I don't think I agree here. I think it's very debatable that Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno or Pete Carrol, or even Charlie Weiss (who has accomplished relatively little so far) are much greater "heroes" (a term I use only because you used it) than any NFL coach, including Parcells, Gibbs or even Cower.
 
LHUCKS said:
Bizkiteer said:
-- Butch Davis wants to Return to Coaching --

Wed Oct 25, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Miami Herald reports former Cleveland Browns HC Butch Davis said that he wants to return to coaching and wouldn't rule out any college or NFL job.

Hmm...now here is a possiblity!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Coker seems to be on his way out at Miami why not Butch back to the U.
 
Pete could succeed in the NFL with good coaches. Many coaches are better the 2nd go round. It would have to be a phenomenal situation for him to even consider leaving USC. But I've never thought of him as a lifer. I bet he waits until he only wants to coach 5 more years then he will take on an NFL job. And even though he is more suited to college, his style of coaching can succeed in the pros. Someone mentioned Vermiel - I think he's a clone..

 
Joe Bryant said:
imeimex said:
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Most Patriots fans have a LOW opinion of Carroll's NFL coaching ability from his tenure as patriots head coach. His style of being supportive / non-confrontational / etc. is by definition collegiate, and that's probably where he needs to stay. I would say best option for the Cardinals to either force Green to take back the offensive coordinator he fired, or to replace him with same.
Most Browns fans have a LOW opinion of Bill Belichick's NFL coaching ability from his tenure as the Browns head coach.
Point taken. But it would be quite a bit stronger if the Browns had gone on post Belichick to absolutely dominate the league with 3 Super Bowls.J
Horrible example - since we'll never know. Who knows, they may very well have done this if their team wasn't stolen out from under them and they were forced to come back as an expansion team.
 
Joe Bryant said:
Dazz said:
I'll agree that it'd be odd of him to leave USC, easily the premier coaching job in the nation - NFL or college - for the Cardinals. But assuming it did somehow happen, and also assuming Jeff Fisher is fired in Tennessee, would anyone else be excited to see Norm Chow head to Arizona with Pete? With Leinart already in place I think they could craft a pretty formidable offense around the talent in the desert. It'd be exciting to watch at least, whether it be successful or a trainwreck.
Hi Dazz,Expound more if you would on how it's easily the premier pro or college job of any sport. It's way way up there no doubt. But easily the best of any sport?

J
LOL...agreed. LSU head coaching job is just as "premier". :D It depends on what part of the US you live in. People in the south really don't care about USC. It's all about the SEC down here. :thumbup: As far as Carrol is concerned. He should look at guys like Spurrior and Saban who went from top college programs to the NFL. It would be a challenging job to say the least.

 
Pete Carroll coaching in the NFL :tfp:
:goodposting: I hope he does go though. Nothing would be more pleasing than to see that smarmy look wiped off his face when he has to cope with the fact that he can't have the best players in the league at every position on his roster. But why would he ever want to risk his "legacy" by going somewhere that he wouldn't have that astronomical advantage every year? I can't see it happening.
Admittedly I am a USC homer, but before Pete got to USC this program had trouble recruiting kids. His (and his staffs) hard work changed this. I know the recruiting is easy now (that comes with the success), but it didn't start that way at all.
 

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