Peter Jackson to make The Hobbit (1 Viewer)

[El Floppo]

I have read all the books and I think the Hobbit is the best of the books. The Hobbit is what LOTR could have been had it been edited down. I know the Hobbit was written for children, but to me, it moves along at a good pace.

LOTR could have probably been edited in half.

I don't know when you last read The Hobbit- but it is definitely a children's book (just read it to my 5yo son last month) much in the same way the Chronicles of Narnia are also written for kids. I guess for people that only want some plot, that's the way to go- but as an adult, I prefer to have a little more in what I'm reading.

 

[Reepicheep]

I still dont get making three movies out of a relativwly slight book, but I'm still jonesing to see all of them.

Maybe there is stuff that fills in some of the gap between Hobbit and LotR.

It's up to three now??!? I thought it was two.Pretty sure they are just milking the thing for all it's worth if they are going with three.

They announced the trilogy back in late July after they saw how much footage Jackson shot.Dec 2012: An Unexpected JourneyDec 2013: The Desolation of SmaugSummer 2014: There and Back Again

Well! I intend to express my displeasure by . . . seeing and buying all of them.

 

[rick6668]

I still dont get making three movies out of a relativwly slight book, but I'm still jonesing to see all of them.

Maybe there is stuff that fills in some of the gap between Hobbit and LotR.

It's up to three now??!? I thought it was two.Pretty sure they are just milking the thing for all it's worth if they are going with three.

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Jackson concurred, stating that "one of the drawbacks of The Hobbit is it's relatively lightweight compared to LOTR [Lord of the Rings]... There's a lot of sections in which a character like Gandalf disappears for a while. – he references going off to meet with the White Council, who are actually characters like Galadriel and Saruman and people that we see in Lord of the Rings. He mysteriously vanishes for a while and then comes back, but we don't really know what goes on." Jackson was also interested in showing Gollum's journey to Mordor and Aragorn setting a watch on the Shire.Although "The Hobbit" was originally made as a two-part film, on 30 July 2012, Jackson confirmed plans for a third film, turning his adaptation of The Hobbit into a trilogy. According to Jackson, the third film would make extensive use of the appendices that Tolkien wrote to expand the story of Middle-Earth (published in the back of The Return of the King).

 

[Gr00vus]

Every time I see another trailer I can't believe how stupid some of the dwarfs look.

 

[netnalp]

I read that Jackson can't use any of the information from the books that Tolkien's son or grandson wrote based on JRR's notes. Wonder if that means he can't touch any Similarion stuff.

 

[netnalp]

Every time I see another trailer I can't believe how stupid some of the dwarfs look.

Part of that might be so that each character is distinctive so viewers don't get mixed up. The ones that bother me most are the ones with that look thin with short beards. Too human looking.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Two movies maybe but three is a moneygrab in my opinion.

It is... but the quality is going to be spot on, so it doesn't matter.They had so much film resources that they changed it to three during filming.They are using plenty of non-hobbit material to make it flow with the LOTR and not just a stand alone piece.rick6668 touched on this in his spoiler*

 

[Reepicheep]

Two movies maybe but three is a moneygrab in my opinion.

It is... but the quality is going to be spot on, so it doesn't matter.They had so much film resources that the changed it to three during filming.They are using plenty of non-hobbit material to make it flow with the LOTR and no just a stand alone piece.rick touched on this in his spoiler*

Yeah, thinking about this some more, I am 100% cool with a moneygrab if the non-hobbit material is awesome.

 

[Reepicheep]

Also, I wonder what our kids will think in 2037 when Disney buys LotR and announces movies 7-9.

 

[netnalp]

I just hope they don't have that crappy Tom Bombadil in it.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I read that Jackson can't use any of the information from the books that Tolkien's son or grandson wrote based on JRR's notes. Wonder if that means he can't touch any Similarion stuff.

Is there any overlap between the LOTR appendix and the Silmarllion? If there is, that overlap I think can be lifted/borrowed/re-tooled etc to make fit in the Hobbit movies.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I just hope they don't have that crappy Tom Bombadil in it.

Nope, wrong part of the story.But they appear to have added plenty of Radagast the Brown.

Here is Howard Shores soundtrack song for Radagast, for those who like such things.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

And on that vein, here is the entire first movie soundtrack listing...

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TITLE "The Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack"

TITLE "My Dear Frodo"

INDEX 01 00:00:00

TITLE "Old Friends"

INDEX 01 07:58:28

TITLE "An Unexpected Party"

INDEX 01 12:28:18

TITLE "Axe or Sword?"

INDEX 01 16:25:64

TITLE "Misty Mountains"

INDEX 01 21:56:48

TITLE "The Adventure Begins"

INDEX 01 23:29:03

TITLE "The World is Ahead"

INDEX 01 25:28:06

TITLE "An Ancient Enemy"

INDEX 01 27:38:17

TITLE "Radagast the Brown"

INDEX 01 32:28:08

TITLE "Roast Mutton"

INDEX 01 37:13:29

TITLE "A Troll-hoard"

INDEX 01 40:51:28

TITLE "The Hill of Sorcery"

INDEX 01 43:44:62

TITLE "Warg-scouts"

INDEX 01 47:27:55

TITLE "The Hidden Valley"

INDEX 01 50:26:35

TITLE "Moon Runes"

INDEX 01 54:06:47

TITLE "The Defiler"

INDEX 01 57:24:04

TITLE "The White Council"

INDEX 01 58:31:73

TITLE "Over Hill"

INDEX 01 65:42:31

TITLE "A Thunder Battle"

INDEX 01 69:16:02

TITLE "Under Hill"

INDEX 01 73:04:21

TITLE "Riddles in the Dark"

INDEX 01 74:53:22

TITLE "Brass Buttons"

TITLE "Out of the Frying-Pan"

INDEX 01 87:43:11

TITLE "A Good Omen"

INDEX 01 93:32:56

TITLE "Song of the Lonely Mountain"

INDEX 01 99:13:42

TITLE "Dreaming of Bag End"

INDEX 01 103:15:63

I might be willing to let people borrow it, if anyone is interested in listening.

 

[Maelstrom]

And on that vein, here is the entire first movie soundtrack listing...

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TITLE "The Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack"TITLE "My Dear Frodo"INDEX 01 00:00:00TITLE "Old Friends"INDEX 01 07:58:28TITLE "An Unexpected Party"INDEX 01 12:28:18TITLE "Axe or Sword?"INDEX 01 16:25:64TITLE "Misty Mountains"INDEX 01 21:56:48TITLE "The Adventure Begins"INDEX 01 23:29:03TITLE "The World is Ahead"INDEX 01 25:28:06TITLE "An Ancient Enemy"INDEX 01 27:38:17TITLE "Radagast the Brown"INDEX 01 32:28:08TITLE "Roast Mutton"INDEX 01 37:13:29TITLE "A Troll-hoard"INDEX 01 40:51:28TITLE "The Hill of Sorcery"INDEX 01 43:44:62TITLE "Warg-scouts"INDEX 01 47:27:55TITLE "The Hidden Valley"INDEX 01 50:26:35TITLE "Moon Runes"INDEX 01 54:06:47TITLE "The Defiler"INDEX 01 57:24:04TITLE "The White Council"INDEX 01 58:31:73TITLE "Over Hill"INDEX 01 65:42:31TITLE "A Thunder Battle"INDEX 01 69:16:02TITLE "Under Hill"INDEX 01 73:04:21TITLE "Riddles in the Dark"INDEX 01 74:53:22TITLE "Brass Buttons"TITLE "Out of the Frying-Pan"INDEX 01 87:43:11TITLE "A Good Omen"INDEX 01 93:32:56TITLE "Song of the Lonely Mountain"INDEX 01 99:13:42TITLE "Dreaming of Bag End"INDEX 01 103:15:63

I might be willing to let people borrow it, if anyone is interested in listening.

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[Maelstrom]

And on that vein, here is the entire first movie soundtrack listing...

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TITLE "The Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack"TITLE "My Dear Frodo"INDEX 01 00:00:00TITLE "Old Friends"INDEX 01 07:58:28TITLE "An Unexpected Party"INDEX 01 12:28:18TITLE "Axe or Sword?"INDEX 01 16:25:64TITLE "Misty Mountains"INDEX 01 21:56:48TITLE "The Adventure Begins"INDEX 01 23:29:03TITLE "The World is Ahead"INDEX 01 25:28:06TITLE "An Ancient Enemy"INDEX 01 27:38:17TITLE "Radagast the Brown"INDEX 01 32:28:08TITLE "Roast Mutton"INDEX 01 37:13:29TITLE "A Troll-hoard"INDEX 01 40:51:28TITLE "The Hill of Sorcery"INDEX 01 43:44:62TITLE "Warg-scouts"INDEX 01 47:27:55TITLE "The Hidden Valley"INDEX 01 50:26:35TITLE "Moon Runes"INDEX 01 54:06:47TITLE "The Defiler"INDEX 01 57:24:04TITLE "The White Council"INDEX 01 58:31:73TITLE "Over Hill"INDEX 01 65:42:31TITLE "A Thunder Battle"INDEX 01 69:16:02TITLE "Under Hill"INDEX 01 73:04:21TITLE "Riddles in the Dark"INDEX 01 74:53:22TITLE "Brass Buttons"TITLE "Out of the Frying-Pan"INDEX 01 87:43:11TITLE "A Good Omen"INDEX 01 93:32:56TITLE "Song of the Lonely Mountain"INDEX 01 99:13:42TITLE "Dreaming of Bag End"INDEX 01 103:15:63

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I might be willing to let people borrow it, if anyone is interested in listening.

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ooops. try again, i didnt realize i had so many messages piled up.No worries. PM Sent.

 

[cstu]

I still dont get making three movies out of a relativwly slight book, but I'm still jonesing to see all of them.

Maybe there is stuff that fills in some of the gap between Hobbit and LotR.

It's up to three now??!? I thought it was two.Pretty sure they are just milking the thing for all it's worth if they are going with three.

They announced the trilogy back in late July after they saw how much footage Jackson shot.Dec 2012: An Unexpected JourneyDec 2013: The Desolation of SmaugSummer 2014: There and Back Again

Well! I intend to express my displeasure by . . . seeing and buying all of them.

I'll go see all three, but I'm in no hurry to see them until the 3rd one comes out. I'm hoping to hold off until the 3rd one and then see them all in a marathon.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Was hoping for a winter/summer/winter release so this time next year would have all of them.

 

[netnalp]

I still dont get making three movies out of a relativwly slight book, but I'm still jonesing to see all of them.

Maybe there is stuff that fills in some of the gap between Hobbit and LotR.

It's up to three now??!? I thought it was two.Pretty sure they are just milking the thing for all it's worth if they are going with three.

They announced the trilogy back in late July after they saw how much footage Jackson shot.Dec 2012: An Unexpected JourneyDec 2013: The Desolation of SmaugSummer 2014: There and Back Again

Well! I intend to express my displeasure by . . . seeing and buying all of them.

I'll go see all three, but I'm in no hurry to see them until the 3rd one comes out. I'm hoping to hold off until the 3rd one and then see them all in a marathon.

I'll see all 3 when they come out but wait to buy the discs till I see if they have extended editions.

 

[Maelstrom]

I still dont get making three movies out of a relativwly slight book, but I'm still jonesing to see all of them.

Maybe there is stuff that fills in some of the gap between Hobbit and LotR.

It's up to three now??!? I thought it was two.Pretty sure they are just milking the thing for all it's worth if they are going with three.

They announced the trilogy back in late July after they saw how much footage Jackson shot.Dec 2012: An Unexpected JourneyDec 2013: The Desolation of SmaugSummer 2014: There and Back Again

Well! I intend to express my displeasure by . . . seeing and buying all of them.

I'll go see all three, but I'm in no hurry to see them until the 3rd one comes out. I'm hoping to hold off until the 3rd one and then see them all in a marathon.

I want to see them all in the theaters because I am interested in the 48fps technique used. I'll likely wait to buy anything for my home until they have a combo pack with all 3, likely the extended versions. Of course, I couldn't resist with the LOTR films, so I have both the regular and extended editions. And no Blu-ray yet, so may likely end up with that as well at some point.

 

[EYLive]

I want to see them all in the theaters because I am interested in the 48fps technique used. I'll likely wait to buy anything for my home until they have a combo pack with all 3, likely the extended versions. Of course, I couldn't resist with the LOTR films, so I have both the regular and extended editions. And no Blu-ray yet, so may likely end up with that as well at some point.

Wasn't this technology slammed for being bad for this type of movie? I think 90% of it is CGI so the FPS may not matter much.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I want to see them all in the theaters because I am interested in the 48fps technique used. I'll likely wait to buy anything for my home until they have a combo pack with all 3, likely the extended versions. Of course, I couldn't resist with the LOTR films, so I have both the regular and extended editions. And no Blu-ray yet, so may likely end up with that as well at some point.

Wasn't this technology slammed for being bad for this type of movie? I think 90% of it is CGI so the FPS may not matter much.

It was being slammed by people who did not grasp how post production was going to affect the tone and texture of the film. Jackson tried to explain this but the media who saw the fresh print were clueless.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Has anyone seen a review yet? I think the World Premiere was today in New Zealand.

 

[Maelstrom]

Not a full fledged review, but a quick Google search gave the following:

http://www.eonline.c...-in-new-zealand

The blockbuster, the first installment of a new trilogy that's serving as a prequel to the director's trio of Oscar-winning Lord of the Rings films, earned rave reviews from those in attendance at its first showing at the Embassy Theatre, whose entrance was decorated to look like a Hobbit house.

Added:Here is an article with some brief reviews and some screen shots:

http://www.latinospost.com/articles/7450/20121128/hobbit-review-high-praise-new-zealand-world.htm

Director Bryan Singer (X-men) tweeted shortly after that "Just saw #Hobbit. Having some serious frame rate envy. Amazing and involving. Loved it! And @ianmckellen118, my friend, you are brilliant!"

Composer Steven Gallagher also tweeted, "Hobbit premiere was excellent! Thanks all !!! Enjoyed the film very much."

Blogger Kylie Klein stated that, "The #Hobbit is everything I could have hoped for. Perfection. TWO MORE FILMS PLEASE. #3SR." Klein added, "I loved it. Transported. Already deeply, massively in love with Thranduil and he was only on screen for about three seconds. "

New Zealand Parliament member Steven Joyce was also in attendance and tweeted, "Really enjoyed #Hobbit Unexpected Journey world premiere. Masterful movie. Congrats Sir Peter Jackson et al. Privilege 2 be there #HobbitNZ"

Another New Zealand audience member with Twitter handle Carter Nixon, also expressed adoration for the film, "I just saw and enjoyed the [expletive] out of The Hobbit. It's great." In a series of other tweets Nixon added, "I am not giving away any particulars. Staying vague until it opens but I dug it. A lot." and "Yeah everyone seemed to have loved it. Great atmosphere in theatre. It's a lot of fun."

The film was projected in its original frame rate of 48 fps. Most films are screened in 24 fps, but when the Hobbit releases on December 14, close to 400 theaters will present the film in the 48 fps.

 

[grateful zed]

I just hope they don't have that crappy Tom Bombadil in it.

i predict he will get his own movie.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I just hope they don't have that crappy Tom Bombadil in it.

i predict he will get his own movie.

directed by M. Night Shyamalancan't wait for the twist!

 

[grateful zed]

the last alliance will be a movie also.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/War_of_the_Last_Alliance

Prelude

After the Downfall of Númenor in S.A. 3319 the remaining Faithful led by Elendil and his sons Isildur and Anarion etablished the Realms in Exile in Middle-earth. Elendil ruled Arnor in the north, Isildur and Anarion jointly ruled the southern realm of Gondor. Sauron however perished physically, by drowning; being caught in the Fall of Númenor which he had cleverly schemed to bring about. Yet nevertheless, even though he truly was drowned, Sauron's spirit endured; he was able in time to take shape again. However, it should be noted that hereafter Sauron could no longer take on a deceptively fair and greatly pleasing form, as Sauron had done so long before, in order to deceive the Elves and then again much later, the Númenóreans too, whilst he was held a willing captive.

Ever since his defeat in the Battle of the Gwathló Sauron nursed a special hatred against the Númenóreans and longed to take revenge[1]. In 3261, Sauron dared to wage war against Númenor and the last King of Númenor Ar-Pharazôn had gathered a massive army to counter this threat. Perceiving the might and splendour of the Númenóreans Sauron's servants deserted him, and Sauron was filled with fear and humbled himself. He was brought as hostage to Númenor and finally succeeded in taking his revenge by playing a vital role in the events that led to the Downfall. Yet of all Númenóreans he hated Elendil most, and his wrath was great that he and his sons had escaped[2].

[edit] Opening Stages

Perceiving that his enemies of old had escaped the downfall, Sauron's wrath was great and in 3429 he launched an attack upon Isildur's fortress Minas Ithil Completely taken by surpise, suggensting that Sauron had been destroyed in the turmoil of Númenor's downfall, the fortress was taken, the White Tree of Gondor that Isildur had planted was burned. Nevertheless Isildur, his wife and children escaped, saving a seedling of the tree, too, and sailing down Anduin journeyed to Elendil's realm in Arnor. There Elendil and Gil-galad, High King of the Noldor forged the Last Alliance of Elves and Men in 3430, to defeat Sauron ultimately. Meanwhile Anárion held out in Gondor, defending Osgiliath and Minas Anor[2].

Dúnedain attack in Peter Jackson's Fellowship of the RingIn 3431 the Elves of Lindon led by Gil-galad and Círdan marched eastward and where awaited by Elendil at Amon Sûl. The combined host marched towards Imladris, where they joined with Lord Elrond, who was Gil-galad's herald, and acted as his second-in-command in the coming campaign. The host rested for about three years in Imladris, forging weapons and making plans. They crossed the Misty Mountains over many passes and marched down Anduin where they were joined by Dwarves from Khazad-dûm, Elves from Greenwood the Great led by Oropher and his son Thranduil, and Lothlórien Elves under Amdír[2]. At the southern eaves of Eryn Galen the host turned south-east and marched through desolate areas that had once been the Entwives' gardens. They, and probably the Entwives themselves, had been destroyed by Sauron to deprive the Alliance' forces of supplies[3].

[edit] The Battle of Dagorlad

Elrond leads the Elven forcesOn the great plain near the Black Gate, the forces of the Last Alliance at last confronted the black legions of Mordor, joined by Anárion's forces from the south.

During preliminary skirmishing, Oropher and his Elves, being scantily equipped, rashly charged forward into the numerous Orc forces before Gil-galad had given the command, and suffered heavy casualties, including Oropher himself. Amdír and his forces also were cut off from the main battle and driven into the marshes just to the south, where he also fell along with half of his troops[4]. This area became known afterwards as the Dead Marshes, because of the thousands of bodies buried there.

This battle raged for days and nights continuously. But the Elves were still mighty in this times and the Númenóreans were tall and strong and terrible and wrath. And none could withstand Aeglos and Narsil, Gil-galad's spear and Elendil's sword which filled the orcs and wicked men with fear. Slowly Elves and Númenóreans whittled down the vast numbers of Orcs and pushed them back towards the Black Gate[2]. No account is given how the Alliance managed to break through this mighty fortification though.

[edit] The Siege of Barad-dûr

The forces of the Last Alliance had forced their way through the Black Gate into Mordor itself. Victory seemed close, but no power short of the Valar could breach the Dark Tower by force. Though a great part of Sauron's forces was destroyed at the Dagorlad his host was still numerous and Sauron ordered many a sortie. The siege went on year after year, from S.A. 3434 to 3441[2]. Isildur's sons, Aratan and Ciryon, were detached and sent to Minas Ithil to guard against a breakout to the southwest, but his oldest son, Elendur served by his side till the end[5]. Anárion was killed in 3440 by a projectile thrown from the tower[6].

Isildur seizes the One RingIn the seventh year of the siege, it became so pressing that Sauron himself came forth. In onslaught was terrible and the siege was almost broken as Sauron and his host advanced too the slopes of Mount Doom. There he was encountered by the captains of the Alliance, Gil-galad and Elendil and to their side stood Elrond and Círdan and Isildur. Sauron fought with Gil-galad and Elendil and both were slain and as Elendil fell his sword was shattered beneath him. Yet Sauron was thrown down, too, and Isildur seized the hilt of his father's sword and cut off the finger on which Sauron wore the One Ring. Being bereft of its power, Sauron was no longer able to hold a physical form and perished[2].

[edit] Aftermath

The Alliance pursued the Orcs, who were then in disarray, and killed them all. The Barad-dûr was leveled but its foundations remained behind, since they were built with the power of the One Ring which was not destroyed. The thousands of dead Men and Elves were taken out of Mordor and buried in the Dagorlad Plain.

Elrond leads the way to the Crack of DoomWhile he had captured the One Ring, Isildur refused Elrond and Círdan's entreaties that he destroy it by casting it into the Crack of Doom, claiming it as a weregild for his father's and brother's death[2]. The result of this was that while Sauron was defeated and cast down, his spirit was not destroyed. He hid himself in the dark lands east of Mordor, and slowly rebuilt his power. The Nine (Nazgûl) also bided their time for the day when he would rise again.

While the Orc armies of Sauron had been well nigh destroyed in the War, scattered groups of them survived. In the Last Alliance, the casualties had been heavy. Elendil and Anárion were gone, and Gil-galad, last High King of the Noldor, was no more. Arnor took grievous losses, and suffered from a decline in population. It never really recovered as a major power, and broke into three pieces some centuries later. Gondor suffered less heavily and became a powerful nation. Isildur, the new High King of Arnor, perished only two years later in the Disaster of the Gladden Fields, along with his three older sons. They were ambushed by an Orc task force operating near the River Anduin. In the course of Isildur's death, the Ring was lost in the depths of Anduin[5]. Much was lost, but Sauron was suppressed-- for a while.

 

[Sand]

LOTR could have probably been edited in half.

LOTR could have easily been made into 6 movies and still been awesome.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

LOTR could have probably been edited in half.

LOTR could have easily been made into 6 movies and still been awesome.

Amen.

 

[netnalp]

LOTR could have probably been edited in half.

LOTR could have easily been made into 6 movies and still been awesome.

The wargs would still suck. It looks like they used the same CGI head from the cave troll and just added fur and pointy ears.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

LOTR could have probably been edited in half.

LOTR could have easily been made into 6 movies and still been awesome.

The wargs would still suck.

Peter Jackson admitted to that immediately. It was the one thing he said he wished he would have had more time to work on.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

LOTR could have probably been edited in half.

LOTR could have easily been made into 6 movies and still been awesome.

The wargs would still suck.

Peter Jackson admitted to that immediately. It was the one thing he said he wished he would have had more time to work on.

The one thing? Grrrrr ... Although the films were a tremendous accomplishment, if there was one thing he should have improved it should have been the battle at pelargir and then pelennor fields. He really screwed up the story there for no good reason. I can forgive the handling of Helms Deep, but not Pelennor and the Army of the Dead.

 

[cstu]

LOTR could have probably been edited in half.

LOTR could have easily been made into 6 movies and still been awesome.

The wargs would still suck. It looks like they used the same CGI head from the cave troll and just added fur and pointy ears.

In Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movie trilogy, a hyena-like, rather than wolf-like, design was chosen due to it looking more powerful.[3] Wargs are also probably going to appear in Peter Jackson's The Hobbit Trilogy but from images of model versions they seem to be slightly different then those used by the Orcs of Isengard.

 

[netnalp]

Has a picture of the new and old wargsMuch better.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

lol it's that guy from the office!

 

[gmbacm]

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[Gr00vus]

Denny's already opening up with the cross-promotion. That's right, Denny's.

Eat like a Hobbit, then #### like an orc.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Some interesting comments from someone who went to the opening. My comments are in ( )

* Movie length is 2 hours 40 minutes

* Gollum only makes a cameo in this movie (which I assume means that the riddle scene won't be until the second movie?)

* Plenty of "connections" throughout movie to LOTR

* Much lighter in tone and texture than LOTR movies were

* Radagast the Brown (Sylvester McCoy), whose buffoonery at times descends into Jar Jar Binks territory. (yikes!)

 

[Reepicheep]

Some interesting comments from someone who went to the opening

* Movie length is 2 hours 40 minutes

* Gollum only makes a cameo in this movie (which I assume means that the riddle scene won't be until the second movie?)

* Plenty of "connections" throughout movie to LOTR

* Much lighter in tone and texture than LOTR movies were

* Radagast the Brown (Sylvester McCoy), whose buffoonery at times descends into Jar Jar Binks territory. (yikes!)

!?!?!?So the first movie of three, which is 2 hours 40 minutes long, does not even get into the 5th chapter of a 19 chapter book?

Edit: This can't be right. Honestly Gollum really only plays a cameo role in the book so that must be what was meant. The Wargs come after Riddles in the Dark and they are in the movie.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Some interesting comments from someone who went to the opening

* Movie length is 2 hours 40 minutes

* Gollum only makes a cameo in this movie (which I assume means that the riddle scene won't be until the second movie?)

* Plenty of "connections" throughout movie to LOTR

* Much lighter in tone and texture than LOTR movies were

* Radagast the Brown (Sylvester McCoy), whose buffoonery at times descends into Jar Jar Binks territory. (yikes!)

!?!?!?So the first movie of three, which is 2 hours 40 minutes long, does not even get into the 5th chapter of a 19 chapter book?

That struck me funny as well. He may be misusing the term cameo. Jackson rearranged scenes in LOTR movies to make them fit better for a movie medium (for example Shelob is in Two Towers but does not show up in the movies until half way through Return of the King), so maybe he did the same here?

With out knowing how much he added it is hard to say at this point how anything is going to flow.

 

[Gr00vus]

Some interesting comments from someone who went to the opening

* Movie length is 2 hours 40 minutes

* Gollum only makes a cameo in this movie (which I assume means that the riddle scene won't be until the second movie?)

* Plenty of "connections" throughout movie to LOTR

* Much lighter in tone and texture than LOTR movies were

* Radagast the Brown (Sylvester McCoy), whose buffoonery at times descends into Jar Jar Binks territory. (yikes!)

!?!?!?So the first movie of three, which is 2 hours 40 minutes long, does not even get into the 5th chapter of a 19 chapter book?

That struck me funny as well. He may be misusing the term cameo. Jackson rearranged scenes in LOTR movies to make them fit better for a movie medium (for example Shelob is in Two Towers but does not show up in the movies until half way through Return of the King), so maybe he did the same here?

With out knowing how much he added it is hard to say at this point how anything is going to flow.

He says right there in the section you bolded that the riddle scene must be in the 2nd movie - meaning it wasn't in the movie he just saw.#### like the treatment of Radgast by Jackson is why I much prefer the books to the movies. I don't need dwarf tossing jokes in my Tolkein.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Some interesting comments from someone who went to the opening

* Movie length is 2 hours 40 minutes

* Gollum only makes a cameo in this movie (which I assume means that the riddle scene won't be until the second movie?)

* Plenty of "connections" throughout movie to LOTR

* Much lighter in tone and texture than LOTR movies were

* Radagast the Brown (Sylvester McCoy), whose buffoonery at times descends into Jar Jar Binks territory. (yikes!)

!?!?!?So the first movie of three, which is 2 hours 40 minutes long, does not even get into the 5th chapter of a 19 chapter book?

That struck me funny as well. He may be misusing the term cameo. Jackson rearranged scenes in LOTR movies to make them fit better for a movie medium (for example Shelob is in Two Towers but does not show up in the movies until half way through Return of the King), so maybe he did the same here?

With out knowing how much he added it is hard to say at this point how anything is going to flow.

He says right there in the section you bolded that the riddle scene must be in the 2nd movie - meaning it wasn't in the movie he just saw.

The stuff in the ( ) is me talking, not the person who saw the movie. I was trying to figure out what the cameo meant as it did not make sense to me.

 

[Gr00vus]

Some interesting comments from someone who went to the opening

* Movie length is 2 hours 40 minutes

* Gollum only makes a cameo in this movie (which I assume means that the riddle scene won't be until the second movie?)

* Plenty of "connections" throughout movie to LOTR

* Much lighter in tone and texture than LOTR movies were

* Radagast the Brown (Sylvester McCoy), whose buffoonery at times descends into Jar Jar Binks territory. (yikes!)

!?!?!?So the first movie of three, which is 2 hours 40 minutes long, does not even get into the 5th chapter of a 19 chapter book?

That struck me funny as well. He may be misusing the term cameo. Jackson rearranged scenes in LOTR movies to make them fit better for a movie medium (for example Shelob is in Two Towers but does not show up in the movies until half way through Return of the King), so maybe he did the same here?

With out knowing how much he added it is hard to say at this point how anything is going to flow.

He says right there in the section you bolded that the riddle scene must be in the 2nd movie - meaning it wasn't in the movie he just saw.

The stuff in the ( ) is me talking, not the person who saw the movie. I was trying to figure out what the cameo meant as it did not make sense to me.

Gotcha.

 

[Reepicheep]

The official site plot synopsis seems pretty clear that the riddles scene is in the movie. Between that and (don't laugh) the LEGO sets being released along with the movie, I am expecting the first movie to end somewhere around "Flies and Spiders" and "Barrel out of Bound".

If so the first movie should be full of goodies:

Spoiler

Bag End

Rivendell

Goblins & Goblin King

Gollum

Beorn

Wargs & Hawks

Spiders & Elves

 

[NewlyRetired]

The official site plot synopsis seems pretty clear that the riddles scene is in the movie. Between that and (don't laugh) the LEGO sets being released along with the movie, I am expecting the first movie to end somewhere around "Flies and Spiders" and "Barrel out of Bound".

Ok I am going to assume the guy misused the word cameo.Why would anyone laugh about Lego's? My daughter has a bunch of the LOTR Lego sets and we have ordered the Lego LOTR game for Christmas

 

[Reepicheep]

The official site plot synopsis seems pretty clear that the riddles scene is in the movie. Between that and (don't laugh) the LEGO sets being released along with the movie, I am expecting the first movie to end somewhere around "Flies and Spiders" and "Barrel out of Bound".

Ok I am going to assume the guy misused the word cameo.Why would anyone laugh about Lego's? My daughter has a bunch of the LOTR Lego sets and we have ordered the Lego LOTR game for Christmas

I am a huge LEGO nerd.

 

[NewlyRetired]

The official site plot synopsis seems pretty clear that the riddles scene is in the movie. Between that and (don't laugh) the LEGO sets being released along with the movie, I am expecting the first movie to end somewhere around "Flies and Spiders" and "Barrel out of Bound".

Ok I am going to assume the guy misused the word cameo.Why would anyone laugh about Lego's? My daughter has a bunch of the LOTR Lego sets and we have ordered the Lego LOTR game for Christmas

I am a huge LEGO nerd.

I am going to send you a video of my daughters collection. You will appreciate it. Check your pm

 

[rick6668]

The official site plot synopsis seems pretty clear that the riddles scene is in the movie. Between that and (don't laugh) the LEGO sets being released along with the movie, I am expecting the first movie to end somewhere around "Flies and Spiders" and "Barrel out of Bound".

If so the first movie should be full of goodies:

Spoiler

Bag End

Rivendell

Goblins & Goblin King

Gollum

Beorn

Wargs & Hawks

Spiders & Elves

Spoiler

TITLE "The Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack"

TITLE "My Dear Frodo"

INDEX 01 00:00:00

TITLE "Old Friends"

INDEX 01 07:58:28

TITLE "An Unexpected Party"

INDEX 01 12:28:18

TITLE "Axe or Sword?"

INDEX 01 16:25:64

TITLE "Misty Mountains"

INDEX 01 21:56:48

TITLE "The Adventure Begins"

INDEX 01 23:29:03

TITLE "The World is Ahead"

INDEX 01 25:28:06

TITLE "An Ancient Enemy"

INDEX 01 27:38:17

TITLE "Radagast the Brown"

INDEX 01 32:28:08

TITLE "Roast Mutton"

INDEX 01 37:13:29

TITLE "A Troll-hoard"

INDEX 01 40:51:28

TITLE "The Hill of Sorcery"

INDEX 01 43:44:62

TITLE "Warg-scouts"

INDEX 01 47:27:55

TITLE "The Hidden Valley"

INDEX 01 50:26:35

TITLE "Moon Runes"

INDEX 01 54:06:47

TITLE "The Defiler"

INDEX 01 57:24:04

TITLE "The White Council"

INDEX 01 58:31:73

TITLE "Over Hill"

INDEX 01 65:42:31

TITLE "A Thunder Battle"

INDEX 01 69:16:02

TITLE "Under Hill"

INDEX 01 73:04:21

TITLE "Riddles in the Dark"

INDEX 01 74:53:22

TITLE "Brass Buttons"

TITLE "Out of the Frying-Pan"

INDEX 01 87:43:11

TITLE "A Good Omen"

INDEX 01 93:32:56

TITLE "Song of the Lonely Mountain"

INDEX 01 99:13:42

TITLE "Dreaming of Bag End"

INDEX 01 103:15:63

Based on the Soundtrack listed earlier as well, the Riddles in the Dark Scene is in. Looks like to me the movie may end just before the journey into Mirkwood on the Path.

 

[NewlyRetired]

The official site plot synopsis seems pretty clear that the riddles scene is in the movie. Between that and (don't laugh) the LEGO sets being released along with the movie, I am expecting the first movie to end somewhere around "Flies and Spiders" and "Barrel out of Bound".

If so the first movie should be full of goodies:

Spoiler

Bag End

Rivendell

Goblins & Goblin King

Gollum

Beorn

Wargs & Hawks

Spiders & Elves

Spoiler

TITLE "The Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack"

TITLE "My Dear Frodo"

INDEX 01 00:00:00

TITLE "Old Friends"

INDEX 01 07:58:28

TITLE "An Unexpected Party"

INDEX 01 12:28:18

TITLE "Axe or Sword?"

INDEX 01 16:25:64

TITLE "Misty Mountains"

INDEX 01 21:56:48

TITLE "The Adventure Begins"

INDEX 01 23:29:03

TITLE "The World is Ahead"

INDEX 01 25:28:06

TITLE "An Ancient Enemy"

INDEX 01 27:38:17

TITLE "Radagast the Brown"

INDEX 01 32:28:08

TITLE "Roast Mutton"

INDEX 01 37:13:29

TITLE "A Troll-hoard"

INDEX 01 40:51:28

TITLE "The Hill of Sorcery"

INDEX 01 43:44:62

TITLE "Warg-scouts"

INDEX 01 47:27:55

TITLE "The Hidden Valley"

INDEX 01 50:26:35

TITLE "Moon Runes"

INDEX 01 54:06:47

TITLE "The Defiler"

INDEX 01 57:24:04

TITLE "The White Council"

INDEX 01 58:31:73

TITLE "Over Hill"

INDEX 01 65:42:31

TITLE "A Thunder Battle"

INDEX 01 69:16:02

TITLE "Under Hill"

INDEX 01 73:04:21

TITLE "Riddles in the Dark"

INDEX 01 74:53:22

TITLE "Brass Buttons"

TITLE "Out of the Frying-Pan"

INDEX 01 87:43:11

TITLE "A Good Omen"

INDEX 01 93:32:56

TITLE "Song of the Lonely Mountain"

INDEX 01 99:13:42

TITLE "Dreaming of Bag End"

INDEX 01 103:15:63

Based on the Soundtrack listed earlier as well, the Riddles in the Dark Scene is in. Looks like to me the movie may end just before the journey into Mirkwood on the Path.

I bet the guy meant "returning character" when he said "cameo". He also mentioned Elijah Wood as a cameo as well come to think of it.

 

[Maelstrom]

The official site plot synopsis seems pretty clear that the riddles scene is in the movie. Between that and (don't laugh) the LEGO sets being released along with the movie, I am expecting the first movie to end somewhere around "Flies and Spiders" and "Barrel out of Bound".

If so the first movie should be full of goodies:

Spoiler

Bag End

Rivendell

Goblins & Goblin King

Gollum

Beorn

Wargs & Hawks

Spiders & Elves

Spoiler

TITLE "The Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack"

TITLE "My Dear Frodo"

INDEX 01 00:00:00

TITLE "Old Friends"

INDEX 01 07:58:28

TITLE "An Unexpected Party"

INDEX 01 12:28:18

TITLE "Axe or Sword?"

INDEX 01 16:25:64

TITLE "Misty Mountains"

INDEX 01 21:56:48

TITLE "The Adventure Begins"

INDEX 01 23:29:03

TITLE "The World is Ahead"

INDEX 01 25:28:06

TITLE "An Ancient Enemy"

INDEX 01 27:38:17

TITLE "Radagast the Brown"

INDEX 01 32:28:08

TITLE "Roast Mutton"

INDEX 01 37:13:29

TITLE "A Troll-hoard"

INDEX 01 40:51:28

TITLE "The Hill of Sorcery"

INDEX 01 43:44:62

TITLE "Warg-scouts"

INDEX 01 47:27:55

TITLE "The Hidden Valley"

INDEX 01 50:26:35

TITLE "Moon Runes"

INDEX 01 54:06:47

TITLE "The Defiler"

INDEX 01 57:24:04

TITLE "The White Council"

INDEX 01 58:31:73

TITLE "Over Hill"

INDEX 01 65:42:31

TITLE "A Thunder Battle"

INDEX 01 69:16:02

TITLE "Under Hill"

INDEX 01 73:04:21

TITLE "Riddles in the Dark"

INDEX 01 74:53:22

TITLE "Brass Buttons"

TITLE "Out of the Frying-Pan"

INDEX 01 87:43:11

TITLE "A Good Omen"

INDEX 01 93:32:56

TITLE "Song of the Lonely Mountain"

INDEX 01 99:13:42

TITLE "Dreaming of Bag End"

INDEX 01 103:15:63

Based on the Soundtrack listed earlier as well, the Riddles in the Dark Scene is in. Looks like to me the movie may end just before the journey into Mirkwood on the Path.

I bet the guy meant "returning character" when he said "cameo". He also mentioned Elijah Wood as a cameo as well come to think of it.I think he just meant "short part" - the riddle scene wouldn't really be very long, and so would likely qualify as a cameo in a very broad sense.

 

[Sand]

The official site plot synopsis seems pretty clear that the riddles scene is in the movie. Between that and (don't laugh) the LEGO sets being released along with the movie, I am expecting the first movie to end somewhere around "Flies and Spiders" and "Barrel out of Bound".

Ok I am going to assume the guy misused the word cameo.Why would anyone laugh about Lego's? My daughter has a bunch of the LOTR Lego sets and we have ordered the Lego LOTR game for Christmas

I am a huge LEGO nerd.

I am going to send you a video of my daughters collection. You will appreciate it. Check your pm

I'd love a PM. I am right now struggling with getting my kid City Legos (he loves cars) or LOTR Legos. My wife would stroke if I bought two $100+ sets for Christmas. The Battle for Helm's Deep looks awesome, though...