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Peter King Retiring (1 Viewer)

Most of y'all know I couldn't care less about the celebrity and star power stuff with interviews.

One area I always thought King did so well was pulling out interesting stuff from the game in these. Like this:

*Patrick Mahomes, on the phone from Texas, February 2024


* This is not one of the best interviews I’ve done, or most memorable. But it is the last I did of an active player for this column. It’s not like Mahomes will be the answer to a trivia question in the Peter King Career Trivia Game—but on this day, he was perfectly Mahomes.


I was trying to reach him in the wake of his third Super Bowl win, but a few things—my health, the shooting at the parade, Mahomes trying to live life, his daughter’s birthday—got in the way, and we did not connect till last Monday. I thought there was something that we talked about that explains Mahomes the person, the player and the competitor. The team-think, the singleness of purpose, the keeping the main thing the only thing, the single-mindedness

Kansas City ball, fourth-and-one at the KC 34-, 6:05 left in OT, down three, timeout. Get stopped and the game’s over; you lose. Make the first down, and the game goes on.

“What happened during the timeout? What happened in the huddle?” I asked.

“I wish I could take all the credit, but it was kinda crazy,” Mahomes said. “We were going through our plays. We were trying to decide if we wanted to run or pass. We had a couple run plays dialed up. We were trying to find that perfect play. I was thinking of passes because I wanted to pass it obviously and have the ball in my hand. So MVS [Marquez Valdes-Scantling] came into the huddle on the side, and was like, ‘Hey let’s go with Slide T’s,’ which is wild because it’s not even a play designed for him. It’s really designed for Travis [Kelce] and Rashee [Rice]. When MVS said it, it clicked to me. I was like, ‘That’s it. That’s perfect.’”

“What does it mean?” I asked.

“What it means is kind of a bootleg play where I fake a run. I get on the perimeter and there’s a throw to Trav as he’s sliding across and Rashee going across the middle trying to cause some disturbance, some interference-type stuff. I liked it because it gave me the option to throw to Travis, it gave me the option to throw it to Rashee, and it gave me the option to run. I told coach [Andy Reid], I was like let’s call this I told coach, ‘If it’s not there I’m gonna run for it.’ He trusts us to go out there and call it Once I kinda got outside and I saw room to run, I just went and got it.” Gain of eight. Game, saved.

“Do you recall thinking, ‘If we don’t make a yard, we lose the Super Bowl?’”

“I don’t,” Mahomes said. “I don’t think I thought about that at all. All I could think about was I told Trav if [defensive end Nick] Bosa comes up field I’m gonna drop it off to him and just hope. He’s gotta get the yard. The last thing I think I told Rashee was: ‘If it’s not there, you gotta find a way to get open.’ Then I was able to run for it. Got the first down, and kinda kept the chains rollin’.”

Three morals of the story:

1. Great players don’t clutter their minds with things like, If this doesn’t work, we lose! That cannot help Mahomes make a play.

2. Great players listen to good ideas. Valdes-Scantling had one. Mahomes (and Reid, presumably) liked it. It worked.

3. Great players like having the ball in their hands on the biggest plays of the season. Didn’t we all think there was a good chance Mahomes would end up figuring a way to make the first down by himself?

What happened on this one play, and Mahomes’ cogent explanation of it, says so much about why he’s won three Super Bowls in his first six seasons starting in the NFL.
 
Most of y'all know I couldn't care less about the celebrity and star power stuff with interviews.

One area I always thought King did so well was pulling out interesting stuff from the game in these. Like this:
What happened on this one play, and Mahomes’ cogent explanation of it, says so much about why he’s won three Super Bowls in his first six seasons starting in the NFL.

Bolded is lazy and hyperbole that infects most sports writers and announcers.

That said, well wishes to Peter King in his retirement. Definitely a major force in NFL coverage for a long time.
 
One of the most influential writers in Football.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...nfl-peter-king-retirement-its-time?cid=fmiatw

And I love the way he did it at this time of the year. Not the Keith Jackson take a year long victory tour making it all about yourself instead of the game.

Class move by Peter King.
I feel like it's always easy for the ankle biters to come after a guy like King, and he was hardly flawless. There were definitely times when he was too willing to carry water for the league. But the flipside of that was that he used the access he got to bring his readers stories they would otherwise never have learned about. I always thought his multipart series on a life in the week of a officiating crew was one of the best pieces of football journalism I've ever read.

He also deserves a ton of credit for being one of the first print journalists to move onto the web, and (for better or for worse) he pioneered the notion of establishing an emotional connection with his audience by sharing details of his personal life, his opinions on non-football issues, etc.

I'll definitely miss reading his column
 
One of the most influential writers in Football.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...nfl-peter-king-retirement-its-time?cid=fmiatw

And I love the way he did it at this time of the year. Not the Keith Jackson take a year long victory tour making it all about yourself instead of the game.

Class move by Peter King.
Honestly JB, and I think I might speak for many Sharks in here...would much rather read what your staff produces than anything that NFL Shield toting writer has to say, he never calls anyone on anything because he wanted access to the players and front offices in all 32 teams.

I will be interested if he starts a podcast after he's done doing Roger Goodell's dirty work.

-Seriously, I get more tidbits around here with some of the posters than I get from Peter King, he's as bad as Adam Schefter talking in the studio where he has no business being.
It's infuriating to most NFL fans that want real information.
 
One of the most influential writers in Football.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...nfl-peter-king-retirement-its-time?cid=fmiatw

And I love the way he did it at this time of the year. Not the Keith Jackson take a year long victory tour making it all about yourself instead of the game.

Class move by Peter King.
I feel like it's always easy for the ankle biters to come after a guy like King, and he was hardly flawless. There were definitely times when he was too willing to carry water for the league. But the flipside of that was that he used the access he got to bring his readers stories they would otherwise never have learned about. I always thought his multipart series on a life in the week of a officiating crew was one of the best pieces of football journalism I've ever read.

He also deserves a ton of credit for being one of the first print journalists to move onto the web, and (for better or for worse) he pioneered the notion of establishing an emotional connection with his audience by sharing details of his personal life, his opinions on non-football issues, etc.

I'll definitely miss reading his column

Agreed.

I also thought this was a good story. From our Alfredo Brown.

In 2013, I was a 22 year-old intern at a Miami sports radio station, and I was having a rough day. I was making a lot of mistakes and was pretty sure I wouldn’t be asked back to work the next day.
One of the on-air guests that day was Peter King. It was my responsibility to call the guests. Most guests would receive the call and simply ask “how much time?” Peter was one of the few guests that was not like that. He treated me like a person, he proceeded to ask me about my time at the station, and just before going on-air he told me “You’ve got a great future ahead of you, keep up the great work.”
He didn’t know me. I didn’t know him. But after that two minute interaction, I felt like I could do anything. Peter did that for me. So, I’d like to say: Congratulations Peter, you’ve got a great future ahead of you.
 
I came to the game when he was a bit past his journalistic prime, but I can see why he had such a devoted readership and national audience. I wish him well in retirement and I'll miss his column that I didn't always read, but when I did I always read it all the way through.

Great writer and a really good crafter of narrative and story. He will be missed.
 
One of the most influential writers in Football.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...nfl-peter-king-retirement-its-time?cid=fmiatw

And I love the way he did it at this time of the year. Not the Keith Jackson take a year long victory tour making it all about yourself instead of the game.

Class move by Peter King.
I feel like it's always easy for the ankle biters to come after a guy like King, and he was hardly flawless. There were definitely times when he was too willing to carry water for the league. But the flipside of that was that he used the access he got to bring his readers stories they would otherwise never have learned about. I always thought his multipart series on a life in the week of a officiating crew was one of the best pieces of football journalism I've ever read.

He also deserves a ton of credit for being one of the first print journalists to move onto the web, and (for better or for worse) he pioneered the notion of establishing an emotional connection with his audience by sharing details of his personal life, his opinions on non-football issues, etc.

I'll definitely miss reading his column

Agreed.

I also thought this was a good story. From our Alfredo Brown.

In 2013, I was a 22 year-old intern at a Miami sports radio station, and I was having a rough day. I was making a lot of mistakes and was pretty sure I wouldn’t be asked back to work the next day.
One of the on-air guests that day was Peter King. It was my responsibility to call the guests. Most guests would receive the call and simply ask “how much time?” Peter was one of the few guests that was not like that. He treated me like a person, he proceeded to ask me about my time at the station, and just before going on-air he told me “You’ve got a great future ahead of you, keep up the great work.”
He didn’t know me. I didn’t know him. But after that two minute interaction, I felt like I could do anything. Peter did that for me. So, I’d like to say: Congratulations Peter, you’ve got a great future ahead of you.
I'm always reluctant to draw conclusions about the personalities of people I've never met. But everyone who does know King swears that he is incredibly nice, which certainly should count for something
 
One of the most influential writers in Football.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...nfl-peter-king-retirement-its-time?cid=fmiatw

And I love the way he did it at this time of the year. Not the Keith Jackson take a year long victory tour making it all about yourself instead of the game.

Class move by Peter King.
Honestly JB, and I think I might speak for many Sharks in here...would much rather read what your staff produces than anything that NFL Shield toting writer has to say, he never calls anyone on anything because he wanted access to the players and front offices in all 32 teams.

I will be interested if he starts a podcast after he's done doing Roger Goodell's dirty work.

-Seriously, I get more tidbits around here with some of the posters than I get from Peter King, he's as bad as Adam Schefter talking in the studio where he has no business being.
It's infuriating to most NFL fans that want real information.
I don't understand why we have to choose. The way I view it, all of these guys bring different kinds of value. Why not read them all? I read Schefter and Rappaport for scoops, King for in-depth access, Barnwell, Sharp and Stuart for numbers-nerd analysis, FBGs and others for fantasy analysis, etc.

If every reporter was out there trying to be like King (or Schefter or whoever), that would be a problem, especially because they almost certainly wouldn't do it as well as he did. In fact, when King left MMQB and Albert Breer started writing the Monday column, I read a couple before deciding I didn't need to waste my time; what I enjoyed about the column was the unique perspective King himself brought. So I kept reading him on FMIA and pretty much forgot about MMQB.

But instead, I view it as they all have roles to play, and I get to pick and choose which ones I find valuable.
 
We should have the same respect for those retiring as we do for those who die :) because both are retired.
 
Peter King can rot in a treeless subdivision of Dallas. Maybe Joe Jacoby can finally get in the HoF.

Sincerely,

Every Commanders fan ever

Not to mention keeping Monk out forever.

~Oooo Monk was a compiler and Gary Clark was the one the Giants feared.

Ok so is Clark a hall of famer?

~Well no, he doesn’t have the stats.

Good riddance to that turd.
 
I emailed him maybe twenty years ago.

Fantasy football was a bunch of bunk and only reporters knew football and ...reporters talked a lot of smack and greatly looked down on FF.

I was working as a reporter and I felt like the first one to cross over the line. (It wasn't that dramatic at all, having trouble wording) I got a lot of flack initially and then I was giving it back.

One of my favorite anecdotes is PK (Titans writer) telling me to go to journalism school if I wanted to hang with the big boys. He went to Columbia and...blah blah.
So I got a gig at USAToday, the biggest paper and that included Gannett's and APs reach where any article can be picked up and printed in their paper. The Tennessean ran an article of mine right next to PKs and under Wyatt's.
Sooo I sent a pic of it to PK and hahaha tell me again about the big dogs?

There's ugh stories too, shared a good one. I once had published an article with 27 typos and the editor forgot to edit so...I heard about that for months.

PK (not King) would go onto ESPN etc
The more I wrote the more junk I received from reporters. I took classes at Poynters University online. I had worked for about any company I could too writing and drinking in every bit of feedback editors gave me.

So I was kinda bummed. Working two jobs and every time I do well some reporter gives me flack.
Welp, I got an email from Peter King. These stats don't add up. He liked an article I wrote but the math isn't there. He was completely under the assumption he was misunderstanding it. So I explained and broke down the math. He was OMG how could I miss that and thank you for explaining, where'd I learn that etc. I said fantasy football and working for Stats Inc.
We traded emails about the reporters and such and he reminded me lots of reporters were losing jobs and being paid less as the internet took over print etc. Then he told me nice things about each person that gave me flack.
He told me I should apply for pfwa and I did and got accepted right away; at a time where it wasn't a sure thing so that was flattering.

Over the next few months, no one was giving me flack anymore. Maybe a little bit, but all in all, it was sooo quiet. I've always assumed that was Peter King's impact on FF. Many of my friends were writing FF articles for newspapers. Jeff T from FBG was submitting articles to USAToday. A year or two later FBGs had some agreement w content at USAToday or...idk something.

I always thought Peter King shut that noise up and gave FFers a chance to be legit.

Ya can't really know what thousands of people and publishers say. Social media wasn't even as much of our lives. It just...well it seemed that way to me.
 
I emailed him maybe twenty years ago.

Fantasy football was a bunch of bunk and only reporters knew football and ...reporters talked a lot of smack and greatly looked down on FF.

I was working as a reporter and I felt like the first one to cross over the line. (It wasn't that dramatic at all, having trouble wording) I got a lot of flack initially and then I was giving it back.

One of my favorite anecdotes is PK (Titans writer) telling me to go to journalism school if I wanted to hang with the big boys. He went to Columbia and...blah blah.
So I got a gig at USAToday, the biggest paper and that included Gannett's and APs reach where any article can be picked up and printed in their paper. The Tennessean ran an article of mine right next to PKs and under Wyatt's.
Sooo I sent a pic of it to PK and hahaha tell me again about the big dogs?

There's ugh stories too, shared a good one. I once had published an article with 27 typos and the editor forgot to edit so...I heard about that for months.

PK (not King) would go onto ESPN etc
The more I wrote the more junk I received from reporters. I took classes at Poynters University online. I had worked for about any company I could too writing and drinking in every bit of feedback editors gave me.

So I was kinda bummed. Working two jobs and every time I do well some reporter gives me flack.
Welp, I got an email from Peter King. These stats don't add up. He liked an article I wrote but the math isn't there. He was completely under the assumption he was misunderstanding it. So I explained and broke down the math. He was OMG how could I miss that and thank you for explaining, where'd I learn that etc. I said fantasy football and working for Stats Inc.
We traded emails about the reporters and such and he reminded me lots of reporters were losing jobs and being paid less as the internet took over print etc. Then he told me nice things about each person that gave me flack.
He told me I should apply for pfwa and I did and got accepted right away; at a time where it wasn't a sure thing so that was flattering.

Over the next few months, no one was giving me flack anymore. Maybe a little bit, but all in all, it was sooo quiet. I've always assumed that was Peter King's impact on FF. Many of my friends were writing FF articles for newspapers. Jeff T from FBG was submitting articles to USAToday. A year or two later FBGs had some agreement w content at USAToday or...idk something.

I always thought Peter King shut that noise up and gave FFers a chance to be legit.

Ya can't really know what thousands of people and publishers say. Social media wasn't even as much of our lives. It just...well it seemed that way to me.

Thanks for posting this, @Bri - great story, and in true Peter King style, gives us insight into how he operates.

I liked MMQB. I was less a fan of him when he wasn't writing. Totally get the complaints about how these insider guys kowtow to powers that be by printing the angle they want, passing on intentionally leaked info. That's hardly unique to sports journalism, you see it in political reporting, business media, foreign correspondents, et al. I'm not gonna pass judgement on the sincerity of journalistic integrity but in my mind it is akin to another euphemistic term, military intelligence.

3-time National Sports Writer of the Year, ubiquitous presence. Very open about his personal life. That sort of familiarity breeds a level of contempt in some (which I find quite odd.) Just part of the deal when it comes to being a modern minor celebrity.

I don't know him personally and have never met Peter King, but have a friend who is his neighbor. Has seen him on the regular for decades, bumps into all the time around the neighborhood. He is a good guy, universally well thought of by the people in his community. That to me counts more in the measure of a man than people who don't know anything about him besides his public persona.

Enjoy the good life, Peter. You've earned it. The world of pro football is a better place bc you were part of it.
 
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Why the Keith Jackson shade? Jackson was THE voice of College Football for over 40 years, in addition to doing the Olympics, Wide World of Sports and more. He more than earned a victory lap.

ETA: Same will be true of Al Michaels whenever he retires.
I'm a much bigger fan of Peter King's style on this realizing he wasn't bigger than the game. YMMV. :shrug:

Let's leave it at that as this thread should be about Peter King.
 
I always thought Peter King shut that noise up and gave FFers a chance to be legit.

I don't know his true feelings on Fantasy Football, but he seemed to be one of the early adopters realizing it brought positive attention to the game and in turn, that was good for everyone.
 
I liked MMQB. I was less a fan of him when he wasn't writing. Totally get the complaints about how these insider guys kowtow to powers that be by printing the angle they want, passing on intentionally leaked info. That's hardly unique to sports journalism, you see it in political reporting, business media, foreign correspondents, et al. I'm not gonna pass judgement on the sincerity of journalistic integrity but in my mind it is akin to another euphemistic term, military intelligence.
IMO the big differences are a) it matters less in sports, and b) that access can get us info that's far more valuable. Take the example of King flying to Montana to hang out with Brady after the Falcons Super Bowl. I don't care what your politics are, I don't care how big of a junkie you are, there's simply no way that hearing Biden or Trump or whoever talk about the election they just won is going to be as interesting as hearing Brady dissect that game. Getting access to politicians is mostly just a way for them to get their story out there. But an athlete talking about a game can offer us a perspective we wouldn't otherwise have.

Now, if Tom Brady went OJ on his ex-wife and King were out there saying, "The Tom Brady I know would never ..." that would be bad. But I never got the sense that he was buddies with these guys in the sense of hanging out on the weekends or attending their weddings. He was a nice guy who built up relationships with people around the league and used them to get good stories. I wouldn't want to live in a world where every single journalist took that exact approach, but I don't regret that there was at least one of them out there, and I think all football readers benefitted from it
 
I always thought Peter King shut that noise up and gave FFers a chance to be legit.

I don't know his true feelings on Fantasy Football, but he seemed to be one of the early adopters realizing it brought positive attention to the game and in turn, that was good for everyone.
He's so positive and well spoken; like you here and in many posts.

I must've emailed him fifty times, never getting another reply.

At Giants camp, I noticed he'd walk up and stand on the sideline like every reporter. Seconds later, all of them went over to say hi.

I have an aunt that passed away many years ago. She always arranged family visits and gatherings and kept in touch with everyone. When she passed away it was very different until another relative took the reins. Since, I've noticed this at work several times- I think we all have some sort of unofficial organizers in our lives.

Peter seemed to be the football one. Personally, I look at these types and wonder where they had the time. I heard someone call him an ambassador to the game yesterday and I really like that word.

Then, like you said above, you add in how much he respected the sport and said things like "it's good for the game" and ambassador really fits well.
The game- we could possibly take it for granted. It truly is everything.

I guess we'll see but my guess would be Breer is his replacement. Not because they work together but he has a similar broad style thinking and story telling that makes you just sit and enjoy.

During the voids these people leave, usually there's some bickering. I wonder if we'll see reporters doing that this year.

Maybe more story teller types will pop up and write for sites.

In some way, I'm confident we'll see King's impact in the coming months
 
I know King is somewhat polarizing , but as a huge football fan before the internet , his articles in SI was great content that dove a lot deeper than the usual Sunday paper articles. His training camp tours gave early fantasy players "inside info" that wasnt readily available. I wish him well in his retirement and take yet another moment to look back and appreciate the old days!
 
I always thought Peter King shut that noise up and gave FFers a chance to be legit.

I don't know his true feelings on Fantasy Football, but he seemed to be one of the early adopters realizing it brought positive attention to the game and in turn, that was good for everyone.
He's so positive and well spoken; like you here and in many posts.

I must've emailed him fifty times, never getting another reply.

At Giants camp, I noticed he'd walk up and stand on the sideline like every reporter. Seconds later, all of them went over to say hi.

I have an aunt that passed away many years ago. She always arranged family visits and gatherings and kept in touch with everyone. When she passed away it was very different until another relative took the reins. Since, I've noticed this at work several times- I think we all have some sort of unofficial organizers in our lives.

Peter seemed to be the football one. Personally, I look at these types and wonder where they had the time. I heard someone call him an ambassador to the game yesterday and I really like that word.

Then, like you said above, you add in how much he respected the sport and said things like "it's good for the game" and ambassador really fits well.
The game- we could possibly take it for granted. It truly is everything.

I guess we'll see but my guess would be Breer is his replacement. Not because they work together but he has a similar broad style thinking and story telling that makes you just sit and enjoy.

During the voids these people leave, usually there's some bickering. I wonder if we'll see reporters doing that this year.

Maybe more story teller types will pop up and write for sites.

In some way, I'm confident we'll see King's impact in the coming months

That's an interesting point about who will pick up the torch now as the defacto voice of the game. Or if anyone does.

And completely agree we'll continue to see his impact.

One other thing I didn't mention, the logistics of that article each week were insane. To create a 5,000-8,000 word researched feature for content that starts at 1:00 PM that day and have it ready but 2:00 am that night is insane.

There's a very good reason nobody else does that.
 
Guessed he decided to complete his passing of the Bengals-hating torch to Florio
-QG

Does he hate the Bengals?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if people think he does. One thing I've learned from Footballguys is there are few groups of people in the country more sensitive than sports fans.
A good rule of thumb is that if you think a sportswriter/announcer hates your team, they don't.

I remember a few years ago Bill Barnwell tweeted out something like this, and lots of people responded with something to the effect of, "You're right, it's ridiculous to think that announcers are biased against any one team ... except for _____, who totally hates the ______."
 
I always thought Peter King shut that noise up and gave FFers a chance to be legit.

I don't know his true feelings on Fantasy Football, but he seemed to be one of the early adopters realizing it brought positive attention to the game and in turn, that was good for everyone.
He's so positive and well spoken; like you here and in many posts.

I must've emailed him fifty times, never getting another reply.

At Giants camp, I noticed he'd walk up and stand on the sideline like every reporter. Seconds later, all of them went over to say hi.

I have an aunt that passed away many years ago. She always arranged family visits and gatherings and kept in touch with everyone. When she passed away it was very different until another relative took the reins. Since, I've noticed this at work several times- I think we all have some sort of unofficial organizers in our lives.

Peter seemed to be the football one. Personally, I look at these types and wonder where they had the time. I heard someone call him an ambassador to the game yesterday and I really like that word.

Then, like you said above, you add in how much he respected the sport and said things like "it's good for the game" and ambassador really fits well.
The game- we could possibly take it for granted. It truly is everything.

I guess we'll see but my guess would be Breer is his replacement. Not because they work together but he has a similar broad style thinking and story telling that makes you just sit and enjoy.

During the voids these people leave, usually there's some bickering. I wonder if we'll see reporters doing that this year.

Maybe more story teller types will pop up and write for sites.

In some way, I'm confident we'll see King's impact in the coming months

That's an interesting point about who will pick up the torch now as the defacto voice of the game. Or if anyone does.

And completely agree we'll continue to see his impact.

One other thing I didn't mention, the logistics of that article each week were insane. To create a 5,000-8,000 word researched feature for content that starts at 1:00 PM that day and have it ready but 2:00 am that night is insane.

There's a very good reason nobody else does that.
This is a good point, and one that many like me might underappreciate.

Peter King sounds like a really good human being who goes out of his way to positively impact those around him. Not sure what percentage of people can say that, but probably nowhere near half.

I’ve always enjoyed his “only Peter King could share this behind the scenes moment” type of stories. He’s been around so long that his Rolodex of NFL moments is just hard to top.

I struggled the past decade or so to read his column, because candidly the over-emphasis on $9 coffees, nobody else has heard of this microbrews, stories about travel snafus (which as someone who travels every week, he largely came across as a pampered wealthy dude), and endless anecdotes about his daughter playing softball just wore me down. So much rambling. (This paragraph was an homage to PK)

But again, the guy loved football, has been around forever, and tried to treat people well his whole career. Who the heck am I to judge him based on my own peculiarities? Congrats on the retirement Peter King.
 
Guessed he decided to complete his passing of the Bengals-hating torch to Florio
-QG

Does he hate the Bengals?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if people think he does. One thing I've learned from Footballguys is there are few groups of people in the country more sensitive than sports fans.
A good rule of thumb is that if you think a sportswriter/announcer hates your team, they don't.

I remember a few years ago Bill Barnwell tweeted out something like this, and lots of people responded with something to the effect of, "You're right, it's ridiculous to think that announcers are biased against any one team ... except for _____, who totally hates the ______."

King is a Giants fan, was in his prime during the height of Skins/Giants- Gibbs/Parcells blood rivalry, and would give filibusters to the committee every single year to keep Monk and Jacoby out of HOF. He absolutely hated Washington (when it was actually great) and therefore I hate him right back.

If I’m being objective, he’s an icon in NFL sports writing, if for nothing besides his diligence and longevity. I never found him particular insightful. Rather, a dorky professional with tremendous access and work ethic. Which I respect. Ask him for an original thought or put a camera on that muppet though and the shine fades to black.

He was however an excellent journalist and a good human.

Anyway, I’ve spoken my peace and won’t bring down the thread further. It’s a testament of his contributions to the sport to have some detractors.
 
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That's an interesting point about who will pick up the torch now as the defacto voice of the game. Or if anyone does.

And completely agree we'll continue to see his impact.

One other thing I didn't mention, the logistics of that article each week were insane. To create a 5,000-8,000 word researched feature for content that starts at 1:00 PM that day and have it ready but 2:00 am that night is insane.

There's a very good reason nobody else does that.

Time to syndicate Random Shots to a wider audience :cool:

-QG
 
I'm old enough to remember when Sports Illustrated first came out. As a kid one of my yearly Christmas presents was a subscription. My sports interest basically grew up on the magazine. Way before Internet and phones. Peter Kings column was always a must read. Didn't always agree, but enjoyed it nonetheless. Thanks for the memories Mr. King. Enjoy buddy
 

That's an interesting point about who will pick up the torch now as the defacto voice of the game. Or if anyone does.

And completely agree we'll continue to see his impact.

One other thing I didn't mention, the logistics of that article each week were insane. To create a 5,000-8,000 word researched feature for content that starts at 1:00 PM that day and have it ready but 2:00 am that night is insane.

There's a very good reason nobody else does that.

Time to syndicate Random Shots to a wider audience :cool:

-QG
One of my favorites for I think decades.
I have a folder in my Gmail where I save them- because of busy life stuff I might not have the time then and I'm simply concerned I'll accidentally delete it before I read it on Friday or Saturday.

I've long assumed Joe doesn't want to push that too much because it's humorous and the last thing he wants to do is take away from the serious work his team does. He's got that almost warning for an intro every time and...idk, just a guess.

Joe's a chess player, always has been, thinking two steps ahead. Whatever the reason, I'd bet money he's thinking of something "down the line" because of it
 
King is a Giants fan, was in his prime during the height of Skins/Giants- Gibbs/Parcells blood rivalry, and would give filibusters to the committee every single year to keep Monk and Jacoby out of HOF. He absolutely hated Washington (when it was actually great) and therefore I hate him right back.
He covered the Giants for Newsday. LOL at the idea that a beat reporter is a fan of the team. They're typically way more cynical than even the most die-hard hater
 
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Good interview of King by his old SI colleague Richard Deitsch. A couple things I found interesting:
  • He had the chance to launch MMQB with ESPN (this was at the same time they were doing microsites for Simmons and Nate Silver), but he felt like he should remain loyal to SI so he built it there instead
  • As part of starting MMQB, he hired a ton of young talent that has gone on to do great things in sports journalism: Jenny Vrentas, Kailyn Kahler, Robert Klemko, Emily Kaplan
 
For hardcore football fans he probably wasn’t their cup of tea (unless, as others alluded to, you were able to leverage tidbits early on in fantasy to gain an advantage).

But he was a great everyman able to relate behind the scenes stuff that fans wouldn’t have access to, to them in a way that was easily accessible.
 
Not expecting reporters to be rah rah (actually that is annoying when it occurs like when one of the proteges mentioned a couple posts above is on the broadcasts of their favorite hockey team - was extra painful in the playoffs. It showed through - didn't know the fan connection til I looked up their bio. But I digress....

Just always felt like he had an axe to grind with the Bengals org and that lessened his work in my opinion. Florio is another that grinds away - in his case it is cartoonishly obvious way more than King.

Just a matter of taste for me. Horses for courses etc. Everyone's got their preferences.

-QG
 
Used to really like him but the last few years seemed to me he was just going through the motions.
He pretty much says that in his last column, though I don't doubt that he was still working hard.

I'll miss him. He was old-school, but was much less flowery than guys like Deford (who I never particularly cared for). As mentioned above, King has apparently been a great mentor for young writers. It's a shame that the outlets for long-form sports journalism are shrinking.
 
Guessed he decided to complete his passing of the Bengals-hating torch to Florio
-QG

Does he hate the Bengals?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if people think he does. One thing I've learned from Footballguys is there are few groups of people in the country more sensitive than sports fans.
A good rule of thumb is that if you think a sportswriter/announcer hates your team, they don't.

I remember a few years ago Bill Barnwell tweeted out something like this, and lots of people responded with something to the effect of, "You're right, it's ridiculous to think that announcers are biased against any one team ... except for _____, who totally hates the ______."

:goodposting: Reading through my email and PMs here, I hate every team in the league. :lmao:
 
Guessed he decided to complete his passing of the Bengals-hating torch to Florio
-QG

Does he hate the Bengals?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if people think he does. One thing I've learned from Footballguys is there are few groups of people in the country more sensitive than sports fans.
A good rule of thumb is that if you think a sportswriter/announcer hates your team, they don't.

I remember a few years ago Bill Barnwell tweeted out something like this, and lots of people responded with something to the effect of, "You're right, it's ridiculous to think that announcers are biased against any one team ... except for _____, who totally hates the ______."

:goodposting: Reading through my email and PMs here, I hate every team in the league. :lmao:
I wonder if the people who think that are projecting. Like if they’re Cowboys fans and had a job covering the league, would they go out of their way to crap on the Eagles?

I suspect the vast majority would not. I think we all take pride in the job we do, and would prioritize doing that job well over advancing the interests of our favorite team, much less thwarting the interests of their rivals
 
Guessed he decided to complete his passing of the Bengals-hating torch to Florio
-QG

Does he hate the Bengals?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if people think he does. One thing I've learned from Footballguys is there are few groups of people in the country more sensitive than sports fans.
A good rule of thumb is that if you think a sportswriter/announcer hates your team, they don't.

I remember a few years ago Bill Barnwell tweeted out something like this, and lots of people responded with something to the effect of, "You're right, it's ridiculous to think that announcers are biased against any one team ... except for _____, who totally hates the ______."

:goodposting: Reading through my email and PMs here, I hate every team in the league. :lmao:
I wonder if the people who think that are projecting. Like if they’re Cowboys fans and had a job covering the league, would they go out of their way to crap on the Eagles?

I suspect the vast majority would not. I think we all take pride in the job we do, and would prioritize doing that job well over advancing the interests of our favorite team, much less thwarting the interests of their rivals

Yes. I think it's mostly just fans being irrational. And being VERY sensitive. It's fine and just part of being a fan for some folks.
 
Guessed he decided to complete his passing of the Bengals-hating torch to Florio
-QG

Does he hate the Bengals?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if people think he does. One thing I've learned from Footballguys is there are few groups of people in the country more sensitive than sports fans.
A good rule of thumb is that if you think a sportswriter/announcer hates your team, they don't.

I remember a few years ago Bill Barnwell tweeted out something like this, and lots of people responded with something to the effect of, "You're right, it's ridiculous to think that announcers are biased against any one team ... except for _____, who totally hates the ______."

:goodposting: Reading through my email and PMs here, I hate every team in the league. :lmao:
I wonder if the people who think that are projecting. Like if they’re Cowboys fans and had a job covering the league, would they go out of their way to crap on the Eagles?

I suspect the vast majority would not. I think we all take pride in the job we do, and would prioritize doing that job well over advancing the interests of our favorite team, much less thwarting the interests of their rivals

Sometimes there's just biases that come out of perception the person has - just an undercurrent.

Sometimes there is a specific axe to grind though - probably more person to person than with a team. It is human nature. Look at stuff like the hall of fame votes where media guys will stick it to a player by holding back a vote because they felt slighted or otherwise had beef with a player.

Anyway I still think King's beef was with the Brown family in general and Mike Brown in particular. I think it colored how he wrote about the team - not every player every time but it sure as heck was there. It turned me off on his articles. That was my preference. :shrug:

-QG
 
To counter the whole "bias never happens because people are professionals" thing, I can remember when I thought Tim McCarver and Joe Buck were inherently biased against the Red Sox and openly rooting for the Yankees when they called games. It got so bad and was so notorious that Bostonites would mute the television and listen to the radio broadcast of their local radio station calling the game. I didn't really believe it at first because I thought the same thing as the professional argument argues for, but in time I became convinced. I watched those series and couldn't get over the pulling teeth it took for a compliment for the Sox versus the adulation freely bestowed upon the Yankees. It got to the point where Mark Bellhorn hit a ball off of the mic'ed up foul fole in Yankee Stadium in Game Seven of the 2004 ALCS and the first thing out of their mouths wasn't to call the game, or to announced what happened. No, McCarver blurts out "What an awful sound!" They spent that entire game muted in emotion, licking their wounds presumably.

Now, I have no proof of this, but you can't tell me that human emotions and feelings don't run rampant and that unchecked homerism never happens on a national level. We almost can be certain that it does. So I contrasted their calls with the MLB Network's coverage of the games that I downloaded after the series was over and the contrast between the two broadcasts couldn't have been any starker. There was excitement for both teams and the calls reflected the game's ebbs and flows, not some New York announcer's (McCarver cut his broadcast teeth with the Mets and called Yankee games while he was at Fox, I believe, or shortly within the time frame) butthurt feelings about watching the Yankees get their asses kicked on national TV. Fox really pushed and pushes the line with their broadcasting and sports coverage. Always has. I can remember them having a Boone in the booth to call the Red Sox games with McCarver and Buck those years. It was clear it was a Yankee booth.

So yeah, I can buy where a reporter picks a fight with a certain team and proceeds to write negatively about that team. Happens all the time. It's human nature.

As far as Joe and FBG goes, I would advise you, Joe, to just stay out of the Philly threads. They're booby traps that bring forth suspensions and anger management courses. :)

Oh, and have one, McCarver. You lost that year.
 

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