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Peter King strikes again! (1 Viewer)

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Devil's Advocate
Let me remind you that this is a guy who advised everyone to take Randy Moss with the 1.01 pick in your fantasy drafts a few years ago. Was that advice that bad, you ask? On the same TV program, he adamantly told everyone that Danny Wuerffel should be taken with a 1st round pick in all fantasy leagues. (Yes, I said Danny Wuerffel)...

Evidently, the Skins had a new coach. Guy named Spurrier. Wuerffel was gonna be the next Dan Marino, and King smugly, sternly informed us to draft him, or sit back and watch the guy who drafted him in the 1st win the championship of your league. :lol:

On to the latest issue of Sports Illustrated. The fantasy football preview. The man just doesn't understand the value of RBs in the fantasy game. Aside from being a guy who kisses the backsides of all coaches and players, and spews his "exclusive" stories after someone else has already broken them, I honestly question if he's ever been in a fantasy league.

There's a ridiculous overemphasis on running backs in fantasy football. Running backs in the NFL are eminently more replaceable than quarterbacks, left tackles and pass rushers, yet when you look at the mock fantasy drafts this summer, you see backs like Tiki Barber ranked ahead of Peyton Manning. Absurd. :lmao:

MY ADVICE: Buck the trend. Let's say I'm in a 12-team league, drafting in the middle of the pack. I take Manning with my first pick, thinking he's going to take essentially every snap -- he always does -- and if he puts up average numbers, based on his past four seasons (33 touchdowns, 4,193 yards), all I have to do at running back is be pretty good. And over the next three rounds I'm going to get three of these six backs: Ronnie Brown, Tatum Bell, Brian Westbrook, Chester Taylor, Laurence Maroney and DeAngelo Williams. I'll cobble together a receiving corps -- and I'll be in the money in December.
LINKFirst of all, in a 12 team league, chances are slim-to-none that Brown or Westbrook will make it back to him in the middle of the 2nd. So we can eliminate two names from his master plan right off the bat.

Okay, so King's first four rounds will look a little something like this:

1.6 - #6 overall - Manning

2.7 - #19 overall - Taylor (big reach)

3.6 - #30 overall - Bell (big reach)

4.7 - #43 overall - Maroney/Williams (huge reaches)

Here is what taking Barber over Manning might yield:

1.6 - #6 overall - Barber

2.7 - #19 overall - McGahee

3.6 - #30 overall - J. Jones/Lewis

4.7 - #43 overall - Hasselbeck

Which team would you rather have?

 
I think SI just started asking King to write about fantasy football more because King is (along with Dr. Z) one of their top football writers, and whoever made this decision at SI doesn't realize that there are a lot of differences between real football and fantasy football.

I don't think King has quite grasped that concept yet. It was understandable the first year or so that he started writing about fantasy football, but he should have caught on by now. He doesn't exactly strike me as a particularly intelligent guy, anyway.

Honestly, I think King's writing is aimed more towards the casual fan, and Zimmerman's writing is aimed more towards the hardcore fan. I'm glad that Zimmerman hasn't been asked to discuss fantasy football in his columns, although I'm pretty sure he'd probably refuse to, even if he was asked to by his employer.

 
2.7 - #19 overall - Taylor (big reach)3.6 - #30 overall - Bell (big reach)4.7 - #43 overall - Maroney/Williams (huge reaches)
a team with Peyton and Chester/Bell/DeAngelo wouldn't be terrible. wouldn't be great, but it could be competitive if things break right for those 3 RBs and you were able to build a solid WR group in the next few rounds.
 
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Let me remind you that this is a guy who advised everyone to take Randy Moss with the 1.01 pick in your fantasy drafts a few years ago. Was that advice that bad, you ask? On the same TV program, he adamantly told everyone that Danny Wuerffel should be taken with a 1st round pick in all fantasy leagues. (Yes, I said Danny Wuerffel)...

Evidently, the Skins had a new coach. Guy named Spurrier. Wuerffel was gonna be the next Dan Marino, and King smugly, sternly informed us to draft him, or sit back and watch the guy who drafted him in the 1st win the championship of your league. :lol:

On to the latest issue of Sports Illustrated. The fantasy football preview. The man just doesn't understand the value of RBs in the fantasy game. Aside from being a guy who kisses the backsides of all coaches and players, and spews his "exclusive" stories after someone else has already broken them, I honestly question if he's ever been in a fantasy league.

There's a ridiculous overemphasis on running backs in fantasy football. Running backs in the NFL are eminently more replaceable than quarterbacks, left tackles and pass rushers, yet when you look at the mock fantasy drafts this summer, you see backs like Tiki Barber ranked ahead of Peyton Manning. Absurd.  :lmao:

MY ADVICE: Buck the trend. Let's say I'm in a 12-team league, drafting in the middle of the pack. I take Manning with my first pick, thinking he's going to take essentially every snap -- he always does -- and if he puts up average numbers, based on his past four seasons (33 touchdowns, 4,193 yards), all I have to do at running back is be pretty good. And over the next three rounds I'm going to get three of these six backs: Ronnie Brown, Tatum Bell, Brian Westbrook, Chester Taylor, Laurence Maroney and DeAngelo Williams. I'll cobble together a receiving corps -- and I'll be in the money in December.
LINKFirst of all, in a 12 team league, chances are slim-to-none that Brown or Westbrook will make it back to him in the middle of the 2nd. So we can eliminate two names from his master plan right off the bat.

Okay, so King's first four rounds will look a little something like this:

1.6 - #6 overall - Manning

2.7 - #19 overall - Taylor (big reach)

3.6 - #30 overall - Bell (big reach)

4.7 - #43 overall - Maroney/Williams (huge reaches)

Here is what taking Barber over Manning might yield:

1.6 - #6 overall - Barber

2.7 - #19 overall - McGahee

3.6 - #30 overall - J. Jones/Lewis

4.7 - #43 overall - Hasselbeck

Which team would you rather have?
I saw this too. Outstanding advice! My favorite part is how he correctly -- if inadvertantly -- describes the importance of the RB position and it's disproportionate importance in FF vs. NFL success. But then he advises the FF player to ignore the "overemphasis on running backs" he just described.I wonder if he's ever advised NFL teams to consider drafting kickers in the first round of the NFL draft because he's never seen a lineman score the winning points in the last seconds of a game.

 
2.7 - #19 overall - Taylor (big reach)

3.6 - #30 overall - Bell (big reach)

4.7 - #43 overall - Maroney/Williams (huge reaches)
a team with Peyton and Chester/Bell/DeAngelo wouldn't be terrible. wouldn't be great, but it could be competitive if things break right for those 3 RBs and you were able to build a solid WR group in the next few rounds.
Maybe, but he got no value whatsoever in the process.
 
also, not sure why he would say that RBs are overrated and then spend 3 of his first 4 picks on the position.

 
2.7 - #19 overall - Taylor (big reach)

3.6 - #30 overall - Bell (big reach)

4.7 - #43 overall - Maroney/Williams (huge reaches)
a team with Peyton and Chester/Bell/DeAngelo wouldn't be terrible. wouldn't be great, but it could be competitive if things break right for those 3 RBs and you were able to build a solid WR group in the next few rounds.
Yeah, but you need those things to break right and your WRs are going to suck donkey kong.
 
2.7 - #19 overall - Taylor (big reach)

3.6 - #30 overall - Bell (big reach)

4.7 - #43 overall - Maroney/Williams (huge reaches)
a team with Peyton and Chester/Bell/DeAngelo wouldn't be terrible. wouldn't be great, but it could be competitive if things break right for those 3 RBs and you were able to build a solid WR group in the next few rounds.
No offense, Ruds, but King suggests that this team would be formidable, not just competitive if things break right:
I'll cobble together a receiving corps -- and I'll be in the money in December.
 
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I wonder if he's ever advised NFL teams to consider drafting kickers in the first round of the NFL draft because he's never seen a lineman score the winning points in the last seconds of a game.
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
 
I wonder if he's ever advised NFL teams to consider drafting kickers in the first round of the NFL draft because he's never seen a lineman score the winning points in the last seconds of a game.
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Likely, considering he can get an interview with pretty much whomever he wants.
 
I wonder if he's ever advised NFL teams to consider drafting kickers in the first round of the NFL draft because he's never seen a lineman score the winning points in the last seconds of a game.
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Who? King or The Jerk? ;) By the way Jerk and Borat, you guys need to get into some of the message board drafts here if you can. Both of you always have well thought out opinions. Get in the game fellas. :thumbup:

 
One of the things I forgot to mention is that Manning, the player King passed on Barber for, is always a risk to play only 1 quarter of your team's FF championship game, especially if it's a week 17 title game. :lmao:

 
2.7 - #19 overall - Taylor (big reach)

3.6 - #30 overall - Bell (big reach)

4.7 - #43 overall - Maroney/Williams (huge reaches)
a team with Peyton and Chester/Bell/DeAngelo wouldn't be terrible. wouldn't be great, but it could be competitive if things break right for those 3 RBs and you were able to build a solid WR group in the next few rounds.
No offense, Ruds, but King suggests that this team would be formidable, not just competitive if things break right:
I'll cobble together a receiving corps -- and I'll be in the money in December.
pretty sure he would also admit that he's clueless and often wrong when it comes to fantasy football.
 
I wonder if he's ever advised NFL teams to consider drafting kickers in the first round of the NFL draft because he's never seen a lineman score the winning points in the last seconds of a game.
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Likely, considering he can get an interview with pretty much whomever he wants.
Power of the pen, nothing more. He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO. Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
 
I wonder if he's ever advised NFL teams to consider drafting kickers in the first round of the NFL draft because he's never seen a lineman score the winning points in the last seconds of a game.
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Likely, considering he can get an interview with pretty much whomever he wants.
Yeah, but I kind of think of it like the ######ed kid at the dance... he'll get to dance with more girls because they pity him, but deep down inside, they all know he's just a #######.
 
By the way Jerk and Borat, you guys need to get into some of the message board drafts here if you can. Both of you always have well thought out opinions. Get in the game fellas. :thumbup:
Thanks, radballs, maybe I will check them out some time. :thumbup:
 
Power of the pen, nothing more. He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO. Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
I didn't know WC reported football.
 
Power of the pen, nothing more. He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO. Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
I didn't know WC reported football.
WC = respected reporterYou're better than that, balls....

 
2.7 - #19 overall - Taylor (big reach)

3.6 - #30 overall - Bell (big reach)

4.7 - #43 overall - Maroney/Williams (huge reaches)
a team with Peyton and Chester/Bell/DeAngelo wouldn't be terrible. wouldn't be great, but it could be competitive if things break right for those 3 RBs and you were able to build a solid WR group in the next few rounds.
No offense, Ruds, but King suggests that this team would be formidable, not just competitive if things break right:
I'll cobble together a receiving corps -- and I'll be in the money in December.
pretty sure he would also admit that he's clueless and often wrong when it comes to fantasy football.
He probably would. I'm not even sure it's cluelessness on his part. I just don't think he can distinguish between positional scarcity as it exists in the real football world vs. the fantasy world. Same could probably be said for being statistically productive vs. being a winner. Back in the mid-90's, my cousin and I always looked for QBs who figured to be trailing late in games to get us our "pity points" as we called it -- a lot like Aaron Brooks for large portions of his career. He must lead the league in meaningless TDs in the last minute of games during his time in the league. If King was forced to learn why Brooks is a better QB than Roethlisberger for FF, his head might explode.

 
Power of the pen, nothing more.  He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO.  Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
I didn't know WC reported football.
WC = respected reporterYou're better than that, balls....
No slight intended. I just didn't know if you were reminding us that he covered the game at some point that I'm unaware of or if you were just touching on his terrific television journalism. I like Cronk.
 
By the way Jerk and Borat, you guys need to get into some of the message board drafts here if you can. Both of you always have well thought out opinions. Get in the game fellas.  :thumbup:
Thanks, radballs, maybe I will check them out some time. :thumbup:
Me, too, radballs. My available forum time waxes and wanes but I'll keep an eye out when I'm here. Thanks!
 
I wonder if he's ever advised NFL teams to consider drafting kickers in the first round of the NFL draft because he's never seen a lineman score the winning points in the last seconds of a game.
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Likely, considering he can get an interview with pretty much whomever he wants.
Power of the pen, nothing more. He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO. Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
He just wasn't given that cush job though.
 
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Likely, considering he can get an interview with pretty much whomever he wants.
Power of the pen, nothing more. He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO. Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
he is on the HOF selection committee. They don't give those spots out to just anybody.
 
2.7 - #19 overall - Taylor (big reach)

3.6 - #30 overall - Bell (big reach)

4.7 - #43 overall - Maroney/Williams (huge reaches)
a team with Peyton and Chester/Bell/DeAngelo wouldn't be terrible. wouldn't be great, but it could be competitive if things break right for those 3 RBs and you were able to build a solid WR group in the next few rounds.
No offense, Ruds, but King suggests that this team would be formidable, not just competitive if things break right:
I'll cobble together a receiving corps -- and I'll be in the money in December.
pretty sure he would also admit that he's clueless and often wrong when it comes to fantasy football.
He probably would. I'm not even sure it's cluelessness on his part. I just don't think he can distinguish between positional scarcity as it exists in the real football world vs. the fantasy world. Same could probably be said for being statistically productive vs. being a winner. Back in the mid-90's, my cousin and I always looked for QBs who figured to be trailing late in games to get us our "pity points" as we called it -- a lot like Aaron Brooks for large portions of his career. He must lead the league in meaningless TDs in the last minute of games during his time in the league. If King was forced to learn why Brooks is a better QB than Roethlisberger for FF, his head might explode.
:goodposting: But, I've always wondered why these millionaire columnists wouldn't take the three days that it would take to investigate the basics of VBD or other FF related concepts. FF is a lot like the game of raquetball. You can become just slightly below average very quickly once you understand the rules. What's separates amateurs from pros becomes a very fine line because it's not much. At least, go to basic FF camp buddy and that should be here at FBGs.
 
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But, I've always wondered why these millionaire columnists wouldn't take the three days that it would take to investigate the basics of VBD or other FF related concepts. FF is a lot like the game of raquetball. You can become below average very quickly once you understand the rules. What's separates amateurs from pros becomes a very fine line because it's not much. At least, go to basic FF camp buddy and that should be here at FBGs.
perhaps we should try to send him an FBG Mag.
 
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Likely, considering he can get an interview with pretty much whomever he wants.
Power of the pen, nothing more. He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO. Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
he is on the HOF selection committee. They don't give those spots out to just anybody.
Let's attack it this way. Do you think he's a good writer?Evidently, someone saw enough in him to give him all the duties he currently has. He is the National Enquirer of sportswriters. All fluff and shock, with little substance.

 
Let's attack it this way. Do you think he's a good writer?
Yes, I think he's a very good writer and I enjoy reading his column.
Evidently, someone saw enough in him to give him all the duties he currently has. He is the National Enquirer of sportswriters. All fluff and shock, with little substance.
He's about a 100 times more interesting and informative than some of the overopinionated hacks on tv like Sean Salisbury and Merril Hoge.
 
Has anyone else ever considered visiting King's daughter up at school, and stalking her to the point where King feels he has no choice but to stop discussing personal matters in his football columns, for the sake of his family's safety? No? Well, uh, me neither.

 
But, I've always wondered why these millionaire columnists wouldn't take the three days that it would take to investigate the basics of VBD or other FF related concepts. FF is a lot like the game of raquetball. You can become below average very quickly once you understand the rules. What's separates amateurs from pros becomes a very fine line because it's not much. At least, go to basic FF camp buddy and that should be here at FBGs.
perhaps we should try to send him an FBG Mag.
You should. No joke. At worst he throws it in the trash. But just maybe he references it and learns a few tricks. Do it. In fact, David should set aside a couple hundred and just do that. Hit all the pro football columnists and see what happens. It's gotta be worth the off chance that it comes back to help the site. :thumbup:
 
Let's attack it this way. Do you think he's a good writer?
Yes, I think he's a very good writer and I enjoy reading his column.
Evidently, someone saw enough in him to give him all the duties he currently has. He is the National Enquirer of sportswriters. All fluff and shock, with little substance.
He's about a 100 times more interesting and informative than some of the overopinionated hacks on tv like Sean Salisbury and Merril Hoge.
Hub Arkush down?
 
He's about a 100 times more interesting and informative than some of the overopinionated hacks on tv like Sean Salisbury and Merril Hoge.
So is the crazy old man who sits on the curb down the street from me all day rambling incoherently.
 
But, I've always wondered why these millionaire columnists wouldn't take the three days that it would take to investigate the basics of VBD or other FF related concepts. FF is a lot like the game of raquetball. You can become below average very quickly once you understand the rules. What's separates amateurs from pros becomes a very fine line because it's not much. At least, go to basic FF camp buddy and that should be here at FBGs.
perhaps we should try to send him an FBG Mag.
You should. No joke. At worst he throws it in the trash. But just maybe he references it and learns a few tricks. Do it. In fact, David should set aside a couple hundred and just do that. Hit all the pro football columnists and see what happens. It's gotta be worth the off chance that it comes back to help the site. :thumbup:
we do send out a ton to radio stations and other key contacts...not sure if the Peter King types are on the list but I'll look into it.
 
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Likely, considering he can get an interview with pretty much whomever he wants.
Power of the pen, nothing more. He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO. Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
he is on the HOF selection committee. They don't give those spots out to just anybody.
Let's attack it this way. Do you think he's a good writer?Evidently, someone saw enough in him to give him all the duties he currently has. He is the National Enquirer of sportswriters. All fluff and shock, with little substance.
I think of him as the print version of John Madden, except for the HoF coaching career, video game, and bus travel. On second thought, never mind.Seriously, Madden is not as big on X's and O's, at least not at this point in his career, as guys like Simms or (dare I say, Theismann). Yet he still appeals to the football "working class" as I define it. Unlike geeks like me, these fans don't want to have access to the OC and DC game plan preparation or debate FF strategy. They like meat and potatoes football commentary. That's how I see Peter King, just in print instead of the color analyst's seat.

 
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Likely, considering he can get an interview with pretty much whomever he wants.
Power of the pen, nothing more. He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO. Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
he is on the HOF selection committee. They don't give those spots out to just anybody.
Let's attack it this way. Do you think he's a good writer?Evidently, someone saw enough in him to give him all the duties he currently has. He is the National Enquirer of sportswriters. All fluff and shock, with little substance.
I think of him as the print version of John Madden, except for the HoF coaching career, video game, and bus travel. On second thought, never mind.Seriously, Madden is not as big on X's and O's, at least not at this point in his career, as guys like Simms or (dare I say, Theismann). Yet he still appeals to the football "working class" as I define it. Unlike geeks like me, these fans don't want to have access to the OC and DC game plan preparation or debate FF strategy. They like meat and potatoes football commentary. That's how I see Peter King, just in print instead of the color analyst's seat.
That's fair.
 
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Likely, considering he can get an interview with pretty much whomever he wants.
Power of the pen, nothing more. He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO. Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
he is on the HOF selection committee. They don't give those spots out to just anybody.
Let's attack it this way. Do you think he's a good writer?Evidently, someone saw enough in him to give him all the duties he currently has. He is the National Enquirer of sportswriters. All fluff and shock, with little substance.
I've always liked King myself. Now, is he going to wow me with terrific insight or give me some kind of FF or real NFL edge? Not at all. But, his articles are usually knowledgeable and somewhat entertaining considering the topic that he's covering.
 
Let's attack it this way.  Do you think he's a good writer?
Yes, I think he's a very good writer and I enjoy reading his column.
Evidently, someone saw enough in him to give him all the duties he currently has.  He is the National Enquirer of sportswriters.  All fluff and shock, with little substance.
He's about a 100 times more interesting and informative than some of the overopinionated hacks on tv like Sean Salisbury and Merril Hoge.
I thought he did a very good job reviewing the officiating of SB XL both immediately after the game and then again a few months later when Mike Perreira flew into Seattle and met with the coaching staff.He was able to give perspective and find room for some criticism without the full-blown hysteria of a Jason Whitlock (for example) and much of ESPN. To me, that speaks of his authenticity, i.e., he's not trying to be sensational or controversial for the sake of being sensational or controversial (did someone say Michael Irvin?).

 
I wonder if NFL teams even take this clown seriously?
Likely, considering he can get an interview with pretty much whomever he wants.
Power of the pen, nothing more. He writes for SI, a few spot assignments for newspapers, and reports on HBO. Teams accomodate him because he reaches the masses, not because he's Walter Cronkite.
he is on the HOF selection committee. They don't give those spots out to just anybody.
I secretly suspect that King's appointment to the HoF selection committee was really just a sneaky way to give Dr. Z a second vote.Edit: A second vote that Dr. Z definitely deserves. I wish the HoF would appoint another 2-3 more Peter Kings, just to give Zimmerman much more of a say in the selection process.

 
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I secretly suspect that King's appointment to the HoF selection committee was really just a sneaky way to give Dr. Z a second vote.

Edit: A second vote that Dr. Z definitely deserves. I wish the HoF would appoint another 2-3 more Peter Kings, just to give Zimmerman much more of a say in the selection process.
I agree 100%. Zimmerman is head and shoulders above just about any other football writer that I can think of.
 
Okay, so King's first four rounds will look a little something like this:

1.6 - #6 overall - Manning

2.7 - #19 overall - Taylor (big reach)

3.6 - #30 overall - Bell (big reach)

4.7 - #43 overall - Maroney/Williams (huge reaches)

Here is what taking Barber over Manning might yield:

1.6 - #6 overall - Barber

2.7 - #19 overall - McGahee

3.6 - #30 overall - J. Jones/Lewis

4.7 - #43 overall - Hasselbeck

Which team would you rather have?
Just cuz i didn't notice anyone take this angle...To me it sounded like he suggested to take manning then any 3 of those late backs (obviously brown and others shouldn't/won't last past round 2) say he took Manning, Holt/Fitz, taylor, bell, WR/TE,Williams/WR, Maroney/whatever need? Sounds to me like he just has tons of confidence in taylor/bell. I would be upset if my roster ended up like that, but strange things happen in FF every year so who's to say good 'ol chester and tatum can't end up being servicable rb's if you luck out and get the top rated QB and WR?
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Just playing devil's advocate
 
Seriously, Madden is not as big on X's and O's, at least not at this point in his career, as guys like Simms or (dare I say, Theismann).
I dunno The Jerk. If I had to have one of those three coach my current team, I'd pick Madden. And I think he knows a lot more about defensive X's and O's than Simms. As a former QB Simms should know more about that position, and maybe the offense, but I would be careful not to underestimate how intelligent the guy with the second highest winning percentage in NFL history is.
 
my question why would anyone interested in sport read Sports Illustrated. All it is one big style collumn about sports figures. It is probably the sorriest excusefor a sports magazine on the market with the exception of ESPN the Magazine being which is an expesive copy of the SI

 
Yeah, I agree, King needs to stay out of the fantasy world. His "fantasy" is obviously not the same kind of fantasy we have.

I think it was the ESPN crew a couple years back that said they really didn't like fantasy football and it's impact on football. In a way, I really wish writers like King felt this way, and would just stay away!

 

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