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Peterson and Charles (1 Viewer)

Billy Ball Thorton

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Both guys coming off bad knee injury and both doing very very well the following year.

Has medicine come this far or is this just an anomly?

I believe it will change my approach going forward on guys with knee injurys the season before.

 
Both guys coming off bad knee injury and both doing very very well the following year.Has medicine come this far or is this just an anomly?I believe it will change my approach going forward on guys with knee injurys the season before.
Can't comment on Charles, but I would definitely say that Peterson's is due to work ethic after the surgery. I guess I am saying that medicine has come that far, but it still depends a LOT on the player involved.
 
Both guys coming off bad knee injury and both doing very very well the following year.

Has medicine come this far or is this just an anomly?

I believe it will change my approach going forward on guys with knee injurys the season before.
Can't comment on Charles, but I would definitely say that Peterson's is due to work ethic after the surgery. I guess I am saying that medicine has come that far, but it still depends a LOT on the player involved.
So you're basically suggesting that the hundreds of other ACLs over the years.....that none of those players had near the work ethic of your hero, Adrian.
 
Both guys coming off bad knee injury and both doing very very well the following year.

Has medicine come this far or is this just an anomly?

I believe it will change my approach going forward on guys with knee injurys the season before.
Can't comment on Charles, but I would definitely say that Peterson's is due to work ethic after the surgery. I guess I am saying that medicine has come that far, but it still depends a LOT on the player involved.
So you're basically suggesting that the hundreds of other ACLs over the years.....that none of those players had near the work ethic of your hero, Adrian.
Leaving out the obvious dig - you don't think work ethic has anything to do with the rehab? Sure, I believe medical techniques have improved over the years, but that also doesn't mean that work ethic isn't an important part of the recovery as well. That isn't a slight at players in the past that couldn't come back from it, you need both - good surgical technique and good work ethic.I just wouldn't look at the two players this year and make a sweeping generalization that medical technique means that any player with an ACL tear will be back to full strength the following year.

 
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Peterson and Charles were so insanely gifted before their injuries that they had room to lose a little bit off their game and still dominate. If, say, Spiller or Calvin tore their ACL, this would change how I approached them. If Alfred Morris did... Not so much.

 
Both guys coming off bad knee injury and both doing very very well the following year.

Has medicine come this far or is this just an anomly?

I believe it will change my approach going forward on guys with knee injurys the season before.
Can't comment on Charles, but I would definitely say that Peterson's is due to work ethic after the surgery. I guess I am saying that medicine has come that far, but it still depends a LOT on the player involved.
So you're basically suggesting that the hundreds of other ACLs over the years.....that none of those players had near the work ethic of your hero, Adrian.
Leaving out the obvious dig - you don't think work ethic has anything to do with the rehab? Sure, I believe medical techniques have improved over the years, but that also doesn't mean that work ethic isn't an important part of the recovery as well. That isn't a slight at players in the past that couldn't come back from it, you need both - good surgical technique and good work ethic.I just wouldn't look at the two players this year and make a sweeping generalization that medical technique means that any player with an ACL tear will be back to full strength the following year.
I don't know a ton about the rehab process, but I think its all monitored so closely that work ethic has nothing at all to do with it because everything they do is monitored exactly by the doctor/trainer. So anyone who is rehabbing a ACL injury will do the exact same amount of work during his rehab. Its not like the doctors were working with ADP and then he was going home and putting in extra rehab behind his doctor's back.
 
Both guys coming off bad knee injury and both doing very very well the following year.

Has medicine come this far or is this just an anomly?

I believe it will change my approach going forward on guys with knee injurys the season before.
Can't comment on Charles, but I would definitely say that Peterson's is due to work ethic after the surgery. I guess I am saying that medicine has come that far, but it still depends a LOT on the player involved.
So you're basically suggesting that the hundreds of other ACLs over the years.....that none of those players had near the work ethic of your hero, Adrian.
Leaving out the obvious dig - you don't think work ethic has anything to do with the rehab? Sure, I believe medical techniques have improved over the years, but that also doesn't mean that work ethic isn't an important part of the recovery as well. That isn't a slight at players in the past that couldn't come back from it, you need both - good surgical technique and good work ethic.I just wouldn't look at the two players this year and make a sweeping generalization that medical technique means that any player with an ACL tear will be back to full strength the following year.
I don't know a ton about the rehab process, but I think its all monitored so closely that work ethic has nothing at all to do with it because everything they do is monitored exactly by the doctor/trainer. So anyone who is rehabbing a ACL injury will do the exact same amount of work during his rehab. Its not like the doctors were working with ADP and then he was going home and putting in extra rehab behind his doctor's back.
A fair amount of "how much they push" is based on a player's ability to handle the work given them without regressing. So no, they won't do the same amount of work, it depends on the player. Some players might not be willing to push that little extra bit. In fact, one of the things people were worried about with AP was that his drive to get back might cause him to push too hard too fast and reinjure his knee again.
 
Both guys coming off bad knee injury and both doing very very well the following year.

Has medicine come this far or is this just an anomly?

I believe it will change my approach going forward on guys with knee injurys the season before.
Can't comment on Charles, but I would definitely say that Peterson's is due to work ethic after the surgery. I guess I am saying that medicine has come that far, but it still depends a LOT on the player involved.
So you're basically suggesting that the hundreds of other ACLs over the years.....that none of those players had near the work ethic of your hero, Adrian.
Leaving out the obvious dig - you don't think work ethic has anything to do with the rehab? Sure, I believe medical techniques have improved over the years, but that also doesn't mean that work ethic isn't an important part of the recovery as well. That isn't a slight at players in the past that couldn't come back from it, you need both - good surgical technique and good work ethic.I just wouldn't look at the two players this year and make a sweeping generalization that medical technique means that any player with an ACL tear will be back to full strength the following year.
Sorry, that was rude. I just thought it was a little silly to suggest that AP was different than all the rest. Talent-wise, of course, but to imply that it was his work ethic for the most part is inaccurate, imo. Medical procedures must have improved. Players -- especially RBs -- couldn't bounce back like this before. While I realize AP works his butt off, I just can't buy it as the major difference when there's been decades of pro athletes who were unable to come back this soon...if ever. If the sample size was small, then fine, but I find it hard to believe that it's AP's work ethic that has "a LOT" to do with it. Did all the other pros just not work as hard? Over the years there would have been at least a few other examples with a similar work ethic (talent notwithstanding, obviously) which would've proved that players could come back much sooner. Ironically enough, one thing about ACL recovery is that it's important (or used to be anyway) to not over-do the rehab...going too fast can derail you.

Look, I love AP, who doesn't?, but I just can't buy that "it still depends a LOT on the player involved". They all have access to the best doctors and PTs in the world. They're pros, and also driven. So I have to think it's a combination of advancements in procedure coupled AND rehab that have made it possible to not only return a lot quicker, but to return to almost 100% . It can't be because one guy simply worked much harder than all the rest.

I'm sure guys like Terrell Davis and Jamal Anderson wouldn't mind having re-do's on their ACLs...things must've changed.

 
Both guys coming off bad knee injury and both doing very very well the following year.

Has medicine come this far or is this just an anomly?

I believe it will change my approach going forward on guys with knee injurys the season before.
Can't comment on Charles, but I would definitely say that Peterson's is due to work ethic after the surgery. I guess I am saying that medicine has come that far, but it still depends a LOT on the player involved.
So you're basically suggesting that the hundreds of other ACLs over the years.....that none of those players had near the work ethic of your hero, Adrian.
Leaving out the obvious dig - you don't think work ethic has anything to do with the rehab? Sure, I believe medical techniques have improved over the years, but that also doesn't mean that work ethic isn't an important part of the recovery as well. That isn't a slight at players in the past that couldn't come back from it, you need both - good surgical technique and good work ethic.I just wouldn't look at the two players this year and make a sweeping generalization that medical technique means that any player with an ACL tear will be back to full strength the following year.
I don't know a ton about the rehab process, but I think its all monitored so closely that work ethic has nothing at all to do with it because everything they do is monitored exactly by the doctor/trainer. So anyone who is rehabbing a ACL injury will do the exact same amount of work during his rehab. Its not like the doctors were working with ADP and then he was going home and putting in extra rehab behind his doctor's back.
A fair amount of "how much they push" is based on a player's ability to handle the work given them without regressing. So no, they won't do the same amount of work, it depends on the player. Some players might not be willing to push that little extra bit. In fact, one of the things people were worried about with AP was that his drive to get back might cause him to push too hard too fast and reinjure his knee again.
LOL. Funny that I just apologized for accusing you of a man-crush....it's true.
 
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Both guys coming off bad knee injury and both doing very very well the following year.

Has medicine come this far or is this just an anomly?

I believe it will change my approach going forward on guys with knee injurys the season before.
Can't comment on Charles, but I would definitely say that Peterson's is due to work ethic after the surgery. I guess I am saying that medicine has come that far, but it still depends a LOT on the player involved.
So you're basically suggesting that the hundreds of other ACLs over the years.....that none of those players had near the work ethic of your hero, Adrian.
Leaving out the obvious dig - you don't think work ethic has anything to do with the rehab? Sure, I believe medical techniques have improved over the years, but that also doesn't mean that work ethic isn't an important part of the recovery as well. That isn't a slight at players in the past that couldn't come back from it, you need both - good surgical technique and good work ethic.I just wouldn't look at the two players this year and make a sweeping generalization that medical technique means that any player with an ACL tear will be back to full strength the following year.
I don't know a ton about the rehab process, but I think its all monitored so closely that work ethic has nothing at all to do with it because everything they do is monitored exactly by the doctor/trainer. So anyone who is rehabbing a ACL injury will do the exact same amount of work during his rehab. Its not like the doctors were working with ADP and then he was going home and putting in extra rehab behind his doctor's back.
A fair amount of "how much they push" is based on a player's ability to handle the work given them without regressing. So no, they won't do the same amount of work, it depends on the player. Some players might not be willing to push that little extra bit. In fact, one of the things people were worried about with AP was that his drive to get back might cause him to push too hard too fast and reinjure his knee again.
LOL. Funny that I just apologized for accusing you of a man-crush....it's true.
Well, I'm sorry I didn't reply to the obvious dig then. You are hoping to discredit any part of my answer by discrediting me, and that while that works too often around here, I find it a poor technique.In my answer I said medical techniques have improved. But when you have 1 or 2 outliers, you have to question whether or not their personal ability to heal and will to rehab has something to do with it in addition to the improved medical techniques.

 
Id be interested to hear Dr. Jene Bramels thoughts on this in full, but i think were seeing a little bit of both. Clearly we have made some great advances in the world of medicine, but the athletic talent of the player and his work ethic are also factors. Im sure we all have read at some point that when they opened up ap that his knee looked like a baby's. Hes an incredibly rare physical specimin. We have also seen charles come back no worse for wear, and terrell suggs playing after tearing his achilles (which is a HUGE deal imo). Also dont forget that Ray Lewis (at the ripe age of 37) is coming back from a torn tricep.

The bottom line is that we definitely cannot treat injuries like we have in previous years. Todays athletes are simply remarkable.

 

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