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I drafted Calvin 2nd overall instead of Lynch and would do the same thing today.
Same here, although at the beginning of the season I was considering trading for Lynch but the owner wouldn't do it straight up so I passed.
Interesting that you'd still rather have Lynch. I think league scoring imacts this a great deal too. My league award bonus pts for yardage a 70+ yd TD is 15 pts as opposed to 6 pts for 0-9yds. I wouldn't trade Calvin for Lynch straight up. I think the state of your team dicatates things as well.
Same. I was hurting at WR at the time. Now, it's the strength of my team.
I would argue that CJ was far from the obvious #1 pick. I'll bet you regret taking him over AP now.
Not in the least. Remember 'Dynasty'. When Peterson is long gone, I will still be putting up Calvin points. Name the RB's still putting up numbers for the 1996 draft. They disappeared long ago.
You're correct, but that's sort of apples and oranges. When valuating AP I think we need to put him up against all other RB's and Calvin vs. all other WR's.
I don't believe you. I understand your logic but you know there were and are times you are kicking yourself for not taking ADP. When ADP was putting up close to 300 yards and many TD's you know you were regretting the decision.And if you or anyone else that took Calvin over ADP was smart about it then you would have taken ADP #1 then traded him for Calvin plus a ton of other stuff. It was a terrible decision for anyone to take Calvin over ADP.
That cuts both ways though. I'm sure there have been times that Peterson owners have kicked themselves for not taking Lynch and/or Calvin.
Really? ADP is the #1 Dynasty player. There are not many times you regret having that player on your team. 4-5 years ago LT would have bad games too, but you never had regrets having him on your team.
I'm just saying, depending on your team makeup, I can see how Calvin would be of more value. For instance, my RB's are Ronnie, MJD, Gore with Rice on Developmental. My WR's are TO, Reggie Wayne, Calvin, Holt, and Cotchery. For me personally, Calvin represents my "next wave" with a corp of WR's growing long in the tooth and I'm happy with my ADP-less RB's. I wouldn't trade Calvin for Peterson straight up in this league. I would disagree Peterson in the #1 dynasty player. I'd rather have Westbrook but not by much.
Exactly. The person that took Eddie George wishes he would have taken Marvin Harrison. Our league doesn't overvalue RBs either. QB is the most important position in our league, just as it is in the NFL. See NE, KC, etc. Without one, you stink.
the correct move was to trade down at draft time for something at least or draft peterson and trade for more than calvin. Peterson holds way more trade value than calvin imo.
Who's to say? Too much has taken place since then to even know how long either spent on the roster.And you have no way to know whether Calvin's going to have a longer career than AD, let alone a Harrison type of career.
The only possible way you can feel like you made the correct decision by taking Calvin over Peterson would be in a ppr league. You may very well be correct in that Calvin might still be putting up points when Peterson is long gone, but you may have also missed out on the 2-3 titles that Peterson could've carried you to as a true difference maker at running back that Calvin likely won't as a wide receiver.Peterson >>>> Calvin (non ppr)
I have absolutely no way to say...unfortunately I don't have a sixth sense that allows me to see the future of NFL careers. I'm saying that I believe he will score more in the long run. Is it out of the question to believe so? I don't....
4-5 years ago I would rather have had LT2 than ANY other player in fantasy football, but ADP is NOT Tomlinson!LT2 is the rarest of fantasy commodities. He is a true workhorse, a prolific TD scoring machine, an every-down RB, a receiver out of the backfield capable of triple digits receptions, an all around back capable of breaking records for total yards from scrimmage or number of rushing TDs in any given year, and he also possesses a running style that has helped him to prolong his career and to avoid taking 'big hits'.On the other hand, ADP runs with a much more violent and punishing running style, and has never played a full season schedule either in college or as a pro. ADP also shares carries on his own team with Chester Taylor, and doesn't enjoy the same level of exclusivity at the goal line as LT2 (just yesterday Chester got a TD from less than 1yd out against 'da Bears even though ADP was lined up alongside him in the same backfield). And Peterson will never be a threat to catch 100 passes (as LT2 did in 2003). He might be the #1 RB in 2008, yes; but Ladanian Tomlinson, he is not. And I have personally put my money where my mouth is. I took Calvin over ADP with the #1 overall rookie pick last year, without regrets - then or now. I just don't believe ADP is capable of a career equaling LT2's (but who is really?). Don't get me wrong, I certainly believe Peterson is capable of greatness over the next few seasons, and for that reason, I will gladly pursue him in redraft leagues (this year I did just that when I paid top dollar for ADP in my auction redraft league). However, I would still much rather have Calvin on my dynasty team. And I suspect that 4-5 years from now Calvin will still be putting up top 3-5 WR fantasy stats for the foreseeable future, while ADP is no longer a top 5 fantasy RB.So enjoy ADP's status as the #1 fantasy player in the short term. I'm sure Calvin will never be considered the #1 overall fantasy player, but IMO he's much more likely to be the #1 fantasy WR for far longer than ADP will be capable of being the #1 fantasy RB. Guess I'ld much rather have the #1 fantasy player at the WR position for the next decade, rather than the #1 fantasy player overall for a brief span.
How many times has Peterson actually put up close to 300 and 3 Td's.........once? He sure hasn't done it this year. The season is pretty much halfway over and there are numerous RBs outproduing him.I traded out of 1.1 to an OK/Vikes fan. Traded back into 1.2 to get CJ and also got P. Willis(1.8) and Winslow out of the deal. If I had stayed at 1.1 I still would have taken CJ, then and now.
That is arguable at this point. I think they should play more than 1 season before statements like this are made. I know I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't take Peterson #1 overall in a dynasty draft. He has yet to reach the LT2/Faulk status of studness we have seen over the past 10 years.
I hear what you're saying, but we can't talk about player values as though they are a static thing. A player's trade value is only the highest amount any other owner in your league will actually pay for that player. It's not the value YOU place on Peterson (or in this case, the 1.01 pick).
It's the type of people who overvalue youth in dynasty leagues. You see it all the time.
Maybe I'm missing something, but what does youth have to do with anything regarding the comparison of 3 guys that were drafted in the same class and are roughly the same age? The debate here all boils down to position scarcity imo, so while CJ is ahead of Lynch talent-wise, you simply have no other option than to rank AD>Lynch>CJ. Young franchise RB's are just far too valuable to pass up in any dynasty league I've ever played in. Even comparing RB points vs. WR points is misleading at best and not a very good indicator of dynasty value.
Really?All we have to go by so far is one season (rookie year). You wanna compare that with me?ADP - 1341yds - 12 TD's - 5.6 avgLT - 1236yds - 10 TD's - 3.6 avgNow I know it will be difficult to do some of the things LT has done, but ADP in his ROOKIE year did things that LT was never able to do his whole career. And looking much better doing it. I love LT, but he has never made my jaw drop like ADP has.Ooops, was looking at the wrong line, that was LT's stats this year. ADP was still much better.
Nope not lying, and our scoring is pretty standard. I've already explained that I like CJ2's long term prospects better than ADP's, and also that Johnson is more valuable to my team because of the depth I already enjoy at the RB position. In my dynasty league I have a logjam at RB, but at WR I would be starting Torry Holt or Ocho Stinko if I didn't have Calvin Johnson.Your sweeping declaration totally ignores the impact that rosters have upon deciding the relative value of CJ2 vs. ADP, and IMO that is a huge mistake.
Ummm... I don't know where you are getting you're stats from, but LT2 had over 1600 combined yards his rookie season, as well as double digit TDs, and he didn't have the advantage of running behind arguably the best run blocking offensive line in the NFL. And if LT2 who has made a career out of doing things that ADP can't do has never made your jaw drop, then I don't know what will...
What is this? LT's numbers now, as a player in his 8th year? How is that relevant?2006 SDG 16 348 1815 5.2 85 28 81 2 1
My fault. I was looking at the wrong line and wrote down LT's stats for this year instead of his 1st year.Either way, ADP's numbers were much more impressive.
The argument was that Calvin was a better choice, because while his position is higher supply/lower demand, and he scores a bit less, his career will likely be longer.
That's pretty much it. I think he might miss a game here or there, but when he's in your lineup he has the ability to win games for you almost by himself.Mr. Perterson - does Peterson's propensity for getting dinged up change things at all for you? If I was a Peterson owner, I would be concerned about his longevity. Now granted, Calvin hasn't exactly been on a clean run of health himself over the last two years - but as a RB, Peterson's on and off leg issues would have me a bit skittish. AP certainly is an extremely talented RB. Maybe for Peterson owners, his upside cancels out all other concerns. But as a non-AP owner, I'm concerned about his longevity (who knows though - maybe that's just my mind's rationalization for why I'd rather have Calvin).
Wrongo.If I played in some ridiculous league where RB's are way more valuable than every other position, I would agree with you. I don't. In our league QB's are the most valuable. We try and mirror the NFL as much as possible (the most vaulabe position in the NFL is QB). Top RB's and top WR score virtually the same, so I'll go with the WR who will play longer. Once again, I take Calvin Johnson over any RB then and now.
Not sure of your league scoring rules and lineup specifcations, but i am basing my opinion on standard scoring and lineup requirements. In a start 2 RB, 2/3 WR, with rushing and receiving yards and all TD's equally valued, AD is more valuable than CJ, and the difference is pretty substantial. The gap is closer in PPR, but not enough to consider CJ over AD.FavreCo said:
This is flawed logic. It's like saying Mendenhall is worth more than Desean Jackson.
No, it's not.
