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Peyton Hillis will be a top 15 rb this year (1 Viewer)
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
They were 10-6 in 2010 and 7-9 last year despite being forced to roll out a Tyler Palko and Jackie Battle starting backfield the last quarter of the season. They're not a certain playoff team, but they're good enough to be in the hunt.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Yeah, Charles is awesome. Wouldn't surprise me if he's in the top-10. Unless he is going to set a new career high in touches the first year back from a major knee injury, though, it really won't effect Hillis too much, considering Hillis is still being drafted as a RB3.
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ISUDESTROYERS
Footballguy
If they are good at running the ball, they will eat UP MUCH OF THE TIME CLOCK AND KEEP THE OPPOSING TEAM'S OFFENSES OFF THE FIELD. On top of this...their defense will keep them in the game as well. Hence, minimizing This is why they won't be ALWAYS in a shootout which I believe your implying. Sure...they may have to a game here or there where they will have to catch up and pass (what team doesn't throughout the season) but I can see them running a lot and quite effectively this year.'Shutout said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
A decent pick? I don't know about you, but I'd rather my first round pick be a bit better than "decent." In PPR, there is no way on God's green earth that Forte should go before Rice, Foster, McCoy, Megatron, Gronk and Graham, and that is not even considering how many QBs you'd put in the first round ahead of the 4th best RB (I'd put at least three: Rodgers, Brees and Brady), so at best Forte is the 10th pick overall, and that is assuming you have him ahead of Chris Johnson, McFadden, Fitz, Cam Newton and maybe a couple more WRs (I personally do not). So, yeah, Forte at 1.06 is a MAJOR reach.'Buffaloes said:I've seen him go anywhere from mid 1st -mid 2nd round. I don't think it's a bad pick in ppr.The knee was healthy enough for the Pro Bowl last year. Bush was brought in for the GL, but forte was never a huge GL contributor anyway. I think it's a decent pick in the middle of the 1st. Maybe 1 or 2 picks early imo, but that's not a huge deal.
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
Both Hillis and Charles catch the ball well. I think even in catch-up mode they will use the backs. If they are smart they will play the two of them together a lot throughout the game. The value in the KC passing game can be found with Bowe and the two PPR backs.
Mr. Soup Nazi
Footballguy
Hillis owners rejoice!
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I like to think it's because they've seen enough in training camp and the first two preseason games to know what they have in Hillis, they plan on using him accordingly during the regular season, and the coaches know they can run the ball with authority so they used that 3rd game to air it out.
Badgers Fan
Footballguy
One of those games they did start at the 10 yard line then give him 3 straight carries (on which he went 5 yards, 4 yards, touchdown). If nothing, it shows he will be their battering ram in the red zone. However, I'm not letting pre-season change my opinion. I hope other take his final two pre-season games as a sign of "things to come" so I can get him at even better value.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
When you look at the KC backfield situation logically it's obvious Hillis has value. I'm still apprehensive though until I see it in the regular season. I punted at RB in both of my leagues because of my belief that Hillis will be a rock solid RB2.At RB27 he's still a value. I think he'll outproduce that spot fairly easily.
HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
The Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher believes the workload numbers will be "pretty close" between Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis by the end of the season.
"They intend to get these guys a similar amount of work," Teicher told PFT's Mike Florio. Teicher reiterates the Chiefs' plan for the two backs to combine for 500+ touches in "a perfect world," with "a lot of work for both." Teicher's comments lend credence to our suspicion that Hillis could end up with standalone RB2 value as the red-zone hammer with 12-15 touches per week.
Related: Jamaal Charles
Source: PFT Live on NBCSports.com Aug 30 - 6:02 PM
"They intend to get these guys a similar amount of work," Teicher told PFT's Mike Florio. Teicher reiterates the Chiefs' plan for the two backs to combine for 500+ touches in "a perfect world," with "a lot of work for both." Teicher's comments lend credence to our suspicion that Hillis could end up with standalone RB2 value as the red-zone hammer with 12-15 touches per week.
Related: Jamaal Charles
Source: PFT Live on NBCSports.com Aug 30 - 6:02 PM
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Hillis looked pretty damn good in the limited action he had for KC tonight. Looks like KC is going to run the ball A LOT this year.
9 consecutive runs to start the game. The O line is opening up some nice holes.
9 consecutive runs to start the game. The O line is opening up some nice holes.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
KC led the NFL in rushing attempts and yards in 2010. I think they're likely to be near the top in both categories again in 2012.
Otis
Footballguy
250 x 6.4 = 1600 rushing yards for Jamaal Charles.The Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher believes the workload numbers will be "pretty close" between Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis by the end of the season."They intend to get these guys a similar amount of work," Teicher told PFT's Mike Florio. Teicher reiterates the Chiefs' plan for the two backs to combine for 500+ touches in "a perfect world," with "a lot of work for both." Teicher's comments lend credence to our suspicion that Hillis could end up with standalone RB2 value as the red-zone hammer with 12-15 touches per week.Related: Jamaal CharlesSource: PFT Live on NBCSports.com Aug 30 - 6:02 PM
trader jake
Footballguy
It's one preseason game but tonight Hillis looked more like the 10' version than the Madden Cursed CIA agent wannabe from last season.
HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
You must be heavily vested in jCharles. Endlessly down on Hillis and up Charles' jacque strap. Its cute.250 x 6.4 = 1600 rushing yards for Jamaal Charles.The Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher believes the workload numbers will be "pretty close" between Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis by the end of the season."They intend to get these guys a similar amount of work," Teicher told PFT's Mike Florio. Teicher reiterates the Chiefs' plan for the two backs to combine for 500+ touches in "a perfect world," with "a lot of work for both." Teicher's comments lend credence to our suspicion that Hillis could end up with standalone RB2 value as the red-zone hammer with 12-15 touches per week.Related: Jamaal CharlesSource: PFT Live on NBCSports.com Aug 30 - 6:02 PM
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
There is zero chance Charles averages 6.4 ypc this season coming off his ACL. Zero. He's the one guy I would be worried about taking at his ADP specifically because Hillis will be a major TD vulture and because Hillis is running very, very well.250 x 6.4 = 1600 rushing yards for Jamaal Charles.The Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher believes the workload numbers will be "pretty close" between Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis by the end of the season."They intend to get these guys a similar amount of work," Teicher told PFT's Mike Florio. Teicher reiterates the Chiefs' plan for the two backs to combine for 500+ touches in "a perfect world," with "a lot of work for both." Teicher's comments lend credence to our suspicion that Hillis could end up with standalone RB2 value as the red-zone hammer with 12-15 touches per week.Related: Jamaal CharlesSource: PFT Live on NBCSports.com Aug 30 - 6:02 PM
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
He has the possibility to win people a few leagues as a RB2 if he pans out as expected.
Nope. Have to think Hillis is either a flex or bench player for the folks who drafted him.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yes, it is just relative. If he is your 3rd RB, that means you are likely planning on using him at a few points in the year or putting him in as your flex. I like Hills, but he certainly could end up being a low end RB3 and a poor flex play. That is a bust for what you hoped he would do at his spot.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
sure, if you're taking him over better values like McGahee, Benson, Ridley etc.You've basically just hurt your team's chances at success.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Willis in the 7th is robbery. If you get him there, I am not sure you are a genius or an also questionable for passing on him in the 5th and 6th.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Agreed. ADP's at MFL...#60 McGahee#80 Ridley#83 Benson#87 HillisThe guys you are taking Hillis over are guys like Redman, Spiller, Ingram, Helu, Tate, etc. I'll take Hillis well ahead of any of those guys. If you are in a league with very small rosters and need lottery tickets I can understand someone else taking a chance on Ingram/Helu. They have high ceilings if all the stars align just right but they have much, much lower floors.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Not only that but I see a lot of experts that seem to assume Charles gets twice as many receptions as Hillis. Hillis is a very capable receiver. I would say Charles gets more yards(similar overall touches with higher y/carry and y/reception) and Hillis gets substantially more TD's. I think their final production is much closer to 50/50 than any expert rankings I've seen thus far. Been grabbing Hillis on almost every team all summer and it has nothing to do with the assumption that Charles suffers a setback. The defense in the preseason worries me more than Charles cutting into his production. With an improved defense/OL I thought this team was in for a big jump in rushing attempts but the KC defense has been awful in the preseason.There is zero chance Charles averages 6.4 ypc this season coming off his ACL. Zero. He's the one guy I would be worried about taking at his ADP specifically because Hillis will be a major TD vulture and because Hillis is running very, very well.250 x 6.4 = 1600 rushing yards for Jamaal Charles.The Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher believes the workload numbers will be "pretty close" between Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis by the end of the season."They intend to get these guys a similar amount of work," Teicher told PFT's Mike Florio. Teicher reiterates the Chiefs' plan for the two backs to combine for 500+ touches in "a perfect world," with "a lot of work for both." Teicher's comments lend credence to our suspicion that Hillis could end up with standalone RB2 value as the red-zone hammer with 12-15 touches per week.Related: Jamaal CharlesSource: PFT Live on NBCSports.com Aug 30 - 6:02 PM
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Okay, so Ridley and Benson were good examples given that their ADP ares within 7 spots of Hillis'.I don't consider Hillis over Ridley or Benson, and to do so is a mistake IMHO.
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
To be fair, I'll also admit that while it's true I've been taking him on almost every team this summer I just looked back and haven't actually selected him before pick #107 in any draft. While I think he's a great value this year I haven't really needed to go out on a limb to get him on those teams either.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Benson is fools gold this season.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
He could be, but he is gonna late enough (drafts)/cheap enough (auctions) that someone's team won't break because of him, but he could be good enough to help make a team great, thus making him worth the gamble.
I don't know why people think benson is goin to be fools gold this season. That's just silly. Ryan grant was extremely fantasy relevant in 2009 as a high end RB2. Then he got hurt and they haven't had a quality rb since. GB can and does run the ball enough to produce a 1000 yd 10td rusher. I see no reason to think that benson can't be that guy this year. He only needs to stay healthy and avg 62.5 yards per game rushing. He will get goal line looks.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
I see comments like this all the time lately. The thing is, in a draft like that where good players are slipping it usually isn't just one player slipping, so the more well-prepared drafters usually have other McGahee type players to choose from in the previous couple of rounds.'Ilov80s said:
I don't know about that, man. With Zone-blocking and Rodgers stretching the field he could very well hit 1,000 yards. He's always been a solid one-cut power runner and that chip on his shoulder is some good motivation. He's got the physical tools to do well. Is he going to get many TDs? Nope. But a solid RB3 who may get a couple catches each game.? I'll buy him at that price. I would take him in the 7th/8th after securing a couple solid WRs.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
exactly, McGahee was just one example. Hillis is going in most drafts where there is much better risk/reward opportunity.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Finally someone other than me says it.
I'd be willing to bet Hillis outscores both of those guys. I figure...He's going to get as many or more touches.He's going to have more GL opportunities.He's on a superior run offense.Having Charles there isn't a hindrance when the stated objective is to use both guys heavily.'LHUCKS said:
Badgers Fan
Footballguy
Let's remember that Flowers has been out. And yes he may miss a week or two in the regular season, but when he is back it will make a big difference. Also, this defense was trampled the first two REGULAR season games last year. Still ran over 27.5 times per game after that. Let's not put too much stock into how their defense looks in the preseason. It sure would be nice if it looked better, but there are definitely some solid players on their defense, so I wouldn't worry.'BoltBacker said:Not only that but I see a lot of experts that seem to assume Charles gets twice as many receptions as Hillis. Hillis is a very capable receiver. I would say Charles gets more yards(similar overall touches with higher y/carry and y/reception) and Hillis gets substantially more TD's. I think their final production is much closer to 50/50 than any expert rankings I've seen thus far. Been grabbing Hillis on almost every team all summer and it has nothing to do with the assumption that Charles suffers a setback. The defense in the preseason worries me more than Charles cutting into his production. With an improved defense/OL I thought this team was in for a big jump in rushing attempts but the KC defense has been awful in the preseason.There is zero chance Charles averages 6.4 ypc this season coming off his ACL. Zero. He's the one guy I would be worried about taking at his ADP specifically because Hillis will be a major TD vulture and because Hillis is running very, very well.250 x 6.4 = 1600 rushing yards for Jamaal Charles.The Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher believes the workload numbers will be "pretty close" between Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis by the end of the season."They intend to get these guys a similar amount of work," Teicher told PFT's Mike Florio. Teicher reiterates the Chiefs' plan for the two backs to combine for 500+ touches in "a perfect world," with "a lot of work for both." Teicher's comments lend credence to our suspicion that Hillis could end up with standalone RB2 value as the red-zone hammer with 12-15 touches per week.Related: Jamaal CharlesSource: PFT Live on NBCSports.com Aug 30 - 6:02 PM
KC's situation hasn't changed much since Priest Holmes was tearing up fantasy football.They were roughly a .500 team during those 4 peak years (01-04).
freejamaal25
Footballguy
Everything is setting up perfectly for Hillis to have a huge year.
The O-line is pretty good. Eric Winston was the missing piece at RT.
People forget (and rightfully so) that Thomas Jones got MORE carries than Jamaal in 2010. 245-230. Jamaal caught 45 balls and Jones caught 14; so their total combined touches ended up at 534. Jones got most of the goal line carries. Jamaal got most of the 3rd down work.
This year, the new offensive regime includes none other than Coordinator Brian Daboll - Hillis O-Coordinator with the Browns in 2010. No one knows better than Daboll what Hillis can do. Under Daboll in 2010, Hillis had 270 carries and 61 rec, good for 331 total touches.
Hillis will get all of the goal line work this season, and unlike Thomas Jones, he will get his fair share of the 3rd downs as well. KC has used both backs in certain packages this preseason. It is absolutely a time share. Jamaal will not impact Peyton's numbers. The Chiefs will run it more than all but two or three teams this season - just like 2010. Cassel is inept. His only chance at success is heavily relying on the run game. I mean this is a guy who could only muster a 58% completion percentage when Jamaal was averaging a historic 6.4 per carry..
The defense has not been at full strength without Brandon Flowers. He will drastically change the pass D. And they will be a top 15 D when all is said and done.
The 3rd preseason game against Seattle was meaningless. It was D Bowe's 1st game back. He signed a couple days before the game and they ignored the run and force fed it to him.
I've drafted Hillis in the 5th round of every one of my drafts. He's a solid RB 2 this season.
I think his floor is 225 carries, 25 receptions, and 8 TD's. Assuming (his 2010 yds per) he runs at a 4.4 clip and catches at 7.8 per rec, that's basically 1,000 yds on the ground, 200 through the air and 8 TD's.
The O-line is pretty good. Eric Winston was the missing piece at RT.
People forget (and rightfully so) that Thomas Jones got MORE carries than Jamaal in 2010. 245-230. Jamaal caught 45 balls and Jones caught 14; so their total combined touches ended up at 534. Jones got most of the goal line carries. Jamaal got most of the 3rd down work.
This year, the new offensive regime includes none other than Coordinator Brian Daboll - Hillis O-Coordinator with the Browns in 2010. No one knows better than Daboll what Hillis can do. Under Daboll in 2010, Hillis had 270 carries and 61 rec, good for 331 total touches.
Hillis will get all of the goal line work this season, and unlike Thomas Jones, he will get his fair share of the 3rd downs as well. KC has used both backs in certain packages this preseason. It is absolutely a time share. Jamaal will not impact Peyton's numbers. The Chiefs will run it more than all but two or three teams this season - just like 2010. Cassel is inept. His only chance at success is heavily relying on the run game. I mean this is a guy who could only muster a 58% completion percentage when Jamaal was averaging a historic 6.4 per carry..
The defense has not been at full strength without Brandon Flowers. He will drastically change the pass D. And they will be a top 15 D when all is said and done.
The 3rd preseason game against Seattle was meaningless. It was D Bowe's 1st game back. He signed a couple days before the game and they ignored the run and force fed it to him.
I've drafted Hillis in the 5th round of every one of my drafts. He's a solid RB 2 this season.
I think his floor is 225 carries, 25 receptions, and 8 TD's. Assuming (his 2010 yds per) he runs at a 4.4 clip and catches at 7.8 per rec, that's basically 1,000 yds on the ground, 200 through the air and 8 TD's.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
KC was 5th in rushing attempts last year & 1st in 2010. They signed one of the best RTs in the league during the offseason, Jon Baldwin actually looks like a capable WR with a full offseason, and they have Moeaki, Berry, Charles, and Cassel returning from season-ending injuries. I'm not sure how they are going to be so much worse than the mediocre bunch they fielded last year. They are built around the running game and they appear to have the defence & OL necessary to run it a lot. I'm not seeing the downside of a hungry Hillis in a contract year as a flex or a low-end 2 (in PPR especially) especially considering the injury Charles is returning from. The fact that Cassel seems to love his checkdowns works in Hillis' favor too. Considering where he's being taken, I think he's got a solid upside with a relatively high floor.
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Otis
Footballguy
kThere is zero chance Charles averages 6.4 ypc this season coming off his ACL. Zero. He's the one guy I would be worried about taking at his ADP specifically because Hillis will be a major TD vulture and because Hillis is running very, very well.250 x 6.4 = 1600 rushing yards for Jamaal Charles.The Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher believes the workload numbers will be "pretty close" between Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis by the end of the season."They intend to get these guys a similar amount of work," Teicher told PFT's Mike Florio. Teicher reiterates the Chiefs' plan for the two backs to combine for 500+ touches in "a perfect world," with "a lot of work for both." Teicher's comments lend credence to our suspicion that Hillis could end up with standalone RB2 value as the red-zone hammer with 12-15 touches per week.Related: Jamaal CharlesSource: PFT Live on NBCSports.com Aug 30 - 6:02 PM
Mr. Soup Nazi
Footballguy
So LHucks is anti Hillis?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Outstanding
Run It Up
Footballguy
More GL opportunities because hes on a worse offense?Benson and Ridley have very little competition on the ground for GL work.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
GB and NE are more likely to throw inside the 5 is what I think he's saying.
Run It Up
Footballguy
I agree with that for sure, I just think the difference in the amount of times they make it to the situation favors Ridley and Benson way more.
sweetness34
Footballguy
I agree they'll get there more, but there's also a reason Brady and Rodgers get 40+ TDs... I'm also skeptical of all the recent Benson love. Has anyone else owned a GB RB the last few years? I have. GB has one of the most annoying players in the league (for fantasy owners) . His name is JOHN KUHN. The fans LOVE Kuhn. Benson = no thanks. ( I do like Ridley though.)
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