Peyton M vs Tom Brady (1 Viewer)

[Sweetness_34]

Is it clear now to everyone how Manning is so much better than Brady or is this still up for debate? With Randy Moss gone, Brady is back to 200+ yards 1 TD games, just like he used to be without Moss for 3 years. Peyton Manning continues to make Jacon Tamme and Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie as legit fantasy starters. Without Moss, the entire NE O looks like it did before Moss got there. Efficient and effective? Sure. But explosive and a FF gold mine? No.

 

[GOB]

You talking about fantasy or actual football?

 

[Sweetness_34]

You talking about fantasy or actual football?

I would say both. Different kind of argument but definitely both.

 

[Neofight]

Peyton calls his own # a lot. Brady might as well, if given the opportunity. Something tells me he wouldn't though; he just doesn't seem preoccupied with numbers as much as he is with letters. Fantsy football doesn't matter to these guys.

 

[spitkickers]

I agree, Manning is better, has always been better. But Boston fans will always tout the rings and the playoff record. It's a never ending debate - one can only hope that Manning wins 2 more, ending the debate once and for all. Brady is good, I'll admit that and I hate mullet-brady, but he's not near as good as Peyton.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Is it clear now to everyone how Manning is so much better than Brady or is this still up for debate? With Randy Moss gone, Brady is back to 200+ yards 1 TD games, just like he used to be without Moss for 3 years. Peyton Manning continues to make Jacon Tamme and Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie as legit fantasy starters. Without Moss, the entire NE O looks like it did before Moss got there. Efficient and effective? Sure. But explosive and a FF gold mine? No.

Brady's won every game since Moss left and his team has the best record in the league, right?

 

[shortbow]

Oh god no, quick somebody move it to FFA or ill have to sit here and argue that Manning is smarter and Brady is more clutch athlete for hours.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Is it clear now to everyone how Manning is so much better than Brady or is this still up for debate? With Randy Moss gone, Brady is back to 200+ yards 1 TD games, just like he used to be without Moss for 3 years. Peyton Manning continues to make Jacon Tamme and Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie as legit fantasy starters. Without Moss, the entire NE O looks like it did before Moss got there. Efficient and effective? Sure. But explosive and a FF gold mine? No.

Yeah, that whole win/loss thing is overrated.

 

[Choke]

Peyton M vs Tom Brady, Revisited

NO!

 

[footballnerd]

Manning +1

 

[Banger]

both are awesome but I'd take Manning.

 

[cobalt_27]

Rex Grossman over both due to his superior cardiovascular health.

 

[Bad_Mo]

I agree, Manning is better, has always been better. But Boston fans will always tout the rings and the playoff record. It's a never ending debate - one can only hope that Manning wins 2 more, ending the debate once and for all. Brady is good, I'll admit that and I hate mullet-brady, but he's not near as good as Peyton.

Yeah, you wouldn't want things like titles, wins, etc. to get in the way of any debate.

 

[Neofight]

Oh god no, quick somebody move it to FFA or ill have to sit here and argue that Manning is smarter and Brady is more clutch athlete for hours.

If Manning is smarter, his Wonderlic testing must have been an off day.

 

[spitkickers]

I agree, Manning is better, has always been better. But Boston fans will always tout the rings and the playoff record. It's a never ending debate - one can only hope that Manning wins 2 more, ending the debate once and for all. Brady is good, I'll admit that and I hate mullet-brady, but he's not near as good as Peyton.

Yeah, you wouldn't want things like titles, wins, etc. to get in the way of any debate.

Nice and smarmy, except that my post does not disagree with yours - it is hard to argue with 3 rings. I said that just above, you can even read it if you want, before you reply again. GL!!!!!

 

[Warrior]

Manning > Brady and its not nearly as close as everyone makes it out to be.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Rex Grossman over both due to his superior cardiovascular health.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I agree, Manning is better, has always been better. But Boston fans will always tout the rings and the playoff record. It's a never ending debate - one can only hope that Manning wins 2 more, ending the debate once and for all. Brady is good, I'll admit that and I hate mullet-brady, but he's not near as good as Peyton.

Yeah, you wouldn't want things like titles, wins, etc. to get in the way of any debate.

Do you have any doubt that Manning would have won every one of those titles too on those Pats teams? If you think Brady was responsible for that win over the Rams, you have no clue about football. Sure he led one FG drive at the end. Big deal. If that D does not shut down the best show on turf, Brady does not win that 1st SB. Just watch the football games objectively and ask yourself. Who is the better QB based on the eyeball test. It is clear to anyone with no inherent bias. And it is not even close.

 

[switz]

I agree, Manning is better, has always been better. But Boston fans will always tout the rings and the playoff record. It's a never ending debate - one can only hope that Manning wins 2 more, ending the debate once and for all. Brady is good, I'll admit that and I hate mullet-brady, but he's not near as good as Peyton.

Yeah, you wouldn't want things like titles, wins, etc. to get in the way of any debate.

Exactly, because those are TEAM oriented things, and we are comparing two PLAYERS.I think we are all privileged to see two great QBs play, and should just be happy with that.

 

[Runningman]

Peyton M vs Tom Brady, Revisited

NO!

Yeah, like we don't have the next 30 years to argue this?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Just watch the football games objectively and ask yourself. Who is the better QB based on the eyeball test. It is clear to anyone with no inherent bias. And it is not even close.

I have no bias - check that, I dislike the Patriots quite a bit, while I am fairly ambivalent towards the Colts - and I think it is extremely close. I think Manning is the better fantasy QB, easily, but if I needed one current QB to win a playoff game in January, everything else being equal, I am taking Brady. But that's me.

 

[psychobillies]

Did ya'll watch the game tonight? Manning is the better blocker.

 

[The Ref]

If you want to sell a product, Peyton is your guy.

If you want to win a football game, well that's a different story entirely.

 

[Dr. No]

disappointing that the helmet catch happened because if Brady had 4 rings and an undefeated season on his record, there's no way Peyton would be in the same class.

no question manning is great also though.

 

[The Moz]

Manning likely ends his career known as the greatest ever - so no it isn't close. Don't get me wrong Brady is a top 10 all time QB it is just Peyton is on another level than anyone.

 

[Ghost Rider]

disappointing that the helmet catch happened because if Brady had 4 rings and an undefeated season on his record, there's no way Peyton would be in the same class.

To play devil's advocate, what if Vinatieri doesn't hit either of those game-winning FGs in the two Super Bowls and the Patriots go on to lose both? Then Brady is Kurt Warner, but with not nearly as good a numbers. Just saying...

 

[cobalt_27]

If you want to sell a product, Peyton is your guy.If you want to win a football game, well that's a different story entirely.

Hmm. So, you'd pick the guy who wins more football games? Ok, so that's Manning. Although, Brady has won a few himself, so I'm not sure it's an entirely different story. Manning's won more, but Brady's no slouch, either.

 

[Dr. No]

disappointing that the helmet catch happened because if Brady had 4 rings and an undefeated season on his record, there's no way Peyton would be in the same class.

To play devil's advocate, what if Vinatieri doesn't hit either of those game-winning FGs in the two Super Bowls and the Patriots go on to lose both? Then Brady is Kurt Warner, but with not nearly as good a numbers. Just saying...

I wish he hadn't hit those field goals.. the Rams had no business letting that game be close let alone losing.. terrible.but he did.... and the helmet catch was infinitely more improbable than a field goal from a good kicker

 

[Gachi]

I wonder how many rings Peyton would have if had a video camera..

 

[thekidd2009]

disappointing that the helmet catch happened because if Brady had 4 rings and an undefeated season on his record, there's no way Peyton would be in the same class.

To play devil's advocate, what if Vinatieri doesn't hit either of those game-winning FGs in the two Super Bowls and the Patriots go on to lose both? Then Brady is Kurt Warner, but with not nearly as good a numbers. Just saying...

Yea, Jim Kelly marched the bills down the field with under 2 minutes left in the superbowl vs the giants to set up the game winning fg and it goes wide right. He's known as one of the biggest chokers in superbowl history but if that one goes in, it would be an entirely different story. Goes to show you that it's a team game and everyone has to play their part in order to win a superbowl.

 

[thatguy]

For me, it's Peyton without question. As another poster said, Peyton will go down as the best ever and Brady will be in the top 10. But like he said, no one else in the top 10 is even on the same planet as Peyton. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[Neofight]

I wonder how many rings Peyton would have if had a video camera..

He does. It's a Sony.

 

[Neofight]

Manning likely ends his career known as the greatest ever - so no it isn't close. Don't get me wrong Brady is a top 10 all time QB it is just Peyton is on another level than anyone.

This is one interesting post. Logical fallacy and all.

 

[bostonfred]

I honestly thought that this thread would be saying that this season had proved that Brady is clearly the better QB. There are a lot of reasons to think so.

This year, despite losing Moss midseason, having Welker returning earlier from an ACL, losing their top three running backs on their depth chart (Taylor, Faulk and Maroney), and throwing to a pair of rookie TEs and a second year receiver who missed his entire rookie season, and the 21st ranked defense in the NFL (154 points allowed), Brady has led the Patriots to the best record in the NFL, and the Patriots currently lead the league in scoring with 205 points. The Colts have also faced adversity, losing Clark, Addai, and Collie, but have scored fewer points (193), have allowed fewer (142), and have a worse record.

I noticed someone used games won as a metric, then demanded we don't talk about playoff games won or winning percentage. But Brady has a much better winning percentage. Brady is 117-35 all time as a starting QB, including 113-31 in the regular season and 14-4 in the playoffs. Manning is 145-72 all time, 136-63 in the regular season and 9-9 in the playoffs. So while Manning has played more games, in those 65 more games he's played, Manning's 28-37.

We can look directly at their impact on their teams. Manning took over a Colts team that went 3-13 in 1997, and led them to a 3-13 record in 1998. Brady took over a Patriots team that had gone 5-11, and 0-2 to start the season under their franchise QB, and went 11-3 the rest of the season, then 3-0 in the playoffs en route to a Superbowl win. And while you might say that Manning was thrown in as a rookie, he was a four year starter, and got to prepare as the starter during his rookie preseason. Brady held a clipboard in Michigan then practiced as the fourth string QB.

We can look at their stats, too, despite the fact that Manning has always had better receivers to work with. Manning has led the league in passing TDs three times, including the year he broke the record for most TDs. Brady has led the league in passing TDs twice, including the year be broke Manning's record for most TDs. And unlike Brady, Manning has led the league in interceptions, and has thrown 80 more INTs than Brady. (Manning throws .91 INTs/game, Brady throws .73/game over their careers)

Manning once started his team out 14-0 and took his team to the Superbowl. Brady once started his team 18-0 and took his team to the Superbowl.

Manning once quarterbacked his team in a Superbowl win, but his numbers had nothing to do with it. Anyone who watched the Colts-Bears Superbowl - and Manning's 3 TD, 7 INT postseason

run - knows that Manning did not carry his team to a Superbowl.

Manning has thrown 28 TDs in 18 postseason games, same as Brady. Manning has 19 INTs, to Brady's 15. This, despite Manning playing 11 games in a dome, and a couple more in Miami and San Diego. Brady playing in some fairly memorable outdoor games.

In short, Brady wins more often, his best season is better than Manning's best season, he's led the Patriots to a better record this year, despite the fact that the Colts have allowed fewer points, specifically because the Brady-led Patriots have scored more points than the Manning-led Colts. I can't think of too many reasons to believe that Manning belongs in the same conversation.

 

[Neofight]

I just like the fact that he is cooler in the pocket.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Some good points there, but it is worth pointing out that while the Patriots have scored 12 more points than the Colts this year, 35 of the Pats points have been off of returns, while only 14 of Indy's are, so technically, the Colts offense has outscored the Pats offense this year by 9 points. Just saying...

 

[switz]

If you want to sell a product, Peyton is your guy.If you want to win a football game, well that's a different story entirely.

Right, which is why the Colts have the winningest record over the last 5 years, and if the announcers were correct Sunday night during the Steelers game Peyton has more 4th quarter comebacks than anyone in the league.

 

[switz]

I honestly thought that this thread would be saying that this season had proved that Brady is clearly the better QB. There are a lot of reasons to think so. This year, despite losing Moss midseason, having Welker returning earlier from an ACL, losing their top three running backs on their depth chart (Taylor, Faulk and Maroney), and throwing to a pair of rookie TEs and a second year receiver who missed his entire rookie season, and the 21st ranked defense in the NFL (154 points allowed), Brady has led the Patriots to the best record in the NFL, and the Patriots currently lead the league in scoring with 205 points. The Colts have also faced adversity, losing Clark, Addai, and Collie, but have scored fewer points (193), have allowed fewer (142), and have a worse record. I noticed someone used games won as a metric, then demanded we don't talk about playoff games won or winning percentage. But Brady has a much better winning percentage. Brady is 117-35 all time as a starting QB, including 113-31 in the regular season and 14-4 in the playoffs. Manning is 145-72 all time, 136-63 in the regular season and 9-9 in the playoffs. So while Manning has played more games, in those 65 more games he's played, Manning's 28-37. We can look directly at their impact on their teams. Manning took over a Colts team that went 3-13 in 1997, and led them to a 3-13 record in 1998. Brady took over a Patriots team that had gone 5-11, and 0-2 to start the season under their franchise QB, and went 11-3 the rest of the season, then 3-0 in the playoffs en route to a Superbowl win. And while you might say that Manning was thrown in as a rookie, he was a four year starter, and got to prepare as the starter during his rookie preseason. Brady held a clipboard in Michigan then practiced as the fourth string QB. We can look at their stats, too, despite the fact that Manning has always had better receivers to work with. Manning has led the league in passing TDs three times, including the year he broke the record for most TDs. Brady has led the league in passing TDs twice, including the year be broke Manning's record for most TDs. And unlike Brady, Manning has led the league in interceptions, and has thrown 80 more INTs than Brady. (Manning throws .91 INTs/game, Brady throws .73/game over their careers)Manning once started his team out 14-0 and took his team to the Superbowl. Brady once started his team 18-0 and took his team to the Superbowl. Manning once quarterbacked his team in a Superbowl win, but his numbers had nothing to do with it. Anyone who watched the Colts-Bears Superbowl - and Manning's 3 TD, 7 INT postseason run - knows that Manning did not carry his team to a Superbowl. Manning has thrown 28 TDs in 18 postseason games, same as Brady. Manning has 19 INTs, to Brady's 15. This, despite Manning playing 11 games in a dome, and a couple more in Miami and San Diego. Brady playing in some fairly memorable outdoor games. In short, Brady wins more often, his best season is better than Manning's best season, he's led the Patriots to a better record this year, despite the fact that the Colts have allowed fewer points, specifically because the Brady-led Patriots have scored more points than the Manning-led Colts. I can't think of too many reasons to believe that Manning belongs in the same conversation.

Only problem is your argument is full of inaccuracies. Otherwise good job.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This year, despite losing Moss midseason, having Welker returning earlier from an ACL, losing their top three running backs on their depth chart (Taylor, Faulk and Maroney), and throwing to a pair of rookie TEs and a second year receiver who missed his entire rookie season, and the 21st ranked defense in the NFL (154 points allowed), Brady has led the Patriots to the best record in the NFL, and the Patriots currently lead the league in scoring with 205 points. The Colts have also faced adversity, losing Clark, Addai, and Collie, but have scored fewer points (193), have allowed fewer (142), and have a worse record.

Yeah, that was awesome when Tom Brady "led" the Patriots to those blocked punts and kickoff returns that make up the point difference. He was vital on those plays.But it was big of you to point out this one particular point in one particular season where the Patriots have a slightly better record than the Colts despite giving up slightly more points. I guess you've already forgotten about those, what, 8 actual full seasons where the Colts did the same thing, minus the "slightly" part?Honestly though, I should give you an award. I don't think I've ever seen a post with more completely cherry picked, irrelevant stats than what I just read. So congrats on that one. I was sure the next thing I was going to read was that Brady is a better QB because he's thrown more 17 yard passes on Thursday night games than Peyton has.

 

[jojoh07]

Unless ur a pats homer , this has been made clear for a while now . Manning and its not even close .

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If we're talking about real football, then the phrase "not even close" has no place in the discussion. It's incredibly close no matter which side of the argument you take.

 

[shortbow]

Unless ur a pats homer , this has been made clear for a while now . Manning and its not even close .

No its pretty close...Depends entirely on what you believe is a great quarterback.Peyton can work in any offense and is the best game managing QB ive ever seen play football, I hope he coaches and doesnt decide to be another terrible commentator.I dont care what anyone says, if you wanna win a game Brady is your guy he IS the most clutch QB ever and is IMO the best spread offense QB ever in the NFL.As far as athletes go, Id say that Michael Vick is probably the best athlete to ever play QB.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Manning is by far the best QB of this era... I think it would be hard for me to compare him to other greats that I did not get to watch. But what Manning does and continues to do is mind boggling.

Tough to compare anything at this stage other than stats, as they both are proven winners and both have SB's, MVP's and such.

Manning through 199 games of his career these are his averages thus far for his career.....

-64.8%, 262.67 yards a game, 1.9 tds a game, 0.91 int, 95.5

-That average over a season is...

4202.71 yards, 30.4 tds, and 14.56 ints

Brady through 136 games of his career there are his averages......

-63.4%, 238.57 yards per game, 1.7 tds a game, .75 ints, rate 93.5

-that average over the course of a year is.....

3,817 yards, 27.2, 12ints,

Manning throws a higher completion percentage, throws for more yards, more tds has a better rating and does have more ints..... Both of these guys are great, but Manning should be remembered as the better player.

 

[shortbow]

Manning is by far the best QB of this era... I think it would be hard for me to compare him to other greats that I did not get to watch. But what Manning does and continues to do is mind boggling.Tough to compare anything at this stage other than stats, as they both are proven winners and both have SB's, MVP's and such.Manning through 199 games of his career these are his averages thus far for his career.....-64.8%, 262.67 yards a game, 1.9 tds a game, 0.91 int, 95.5-That average over a season is... 4202.71 yards, 30.4 tds, and 14.56 intsBrady through 136 games of his career there are his averages......-63.4%, 238.57 yards per game, 1.7 tds a game, .75 ints, rate 93.5-that average over the course of a year is.....3,817 yards, 27.2, 12ints, Manning throws a higher completion percentage, throws for more yards, more tds has a better rating and does have more ints..... Both of these guys are great, but Manning should be remembered as the better player.

Its too bad that your probably right even though it isnt true, Brady is gonna go down as the best QB from this era but it will be touted as taking advantage of the 18 game schedule.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Manning is by far the best QB of this era... I think it would be hard for me to compare him to other greats that I did not get to watch. But what Manning does and continues to do is mind boggling.Tough to compare anything at this stage other than stats, as they both are proven winners and both have SB's, MVP's and such.Manning through 199 games of his career these are his averages thus far for his career.....-64.8%, 262.67 yards a game, 1.9 tds a game, 0.91 int, 95.5-That average over a season is... 4202.71 yards, 30.4 tds, and 14.56 intsBrady through 136 games of his career there are his averages......-63.4%, 238.57 yards per game, 1.7 tds a game, .75 ints, rate 93.5-that average over the course of a year is.....3,817 yards, 27.2, 12ints, Manning throws a higher completion percentage, throws for more yards, more tds has a better rating and does have more ints..... Both of these guys are great, but Manning should be remembered as the better player.

Its too bad that your probably right even though it isnt true, Brady is gonna go down as the best QB from this era but it will be touted as taking advantage of the 18 game schedule.

Can you elaborate? These guys are one year apart in age... do you see Manning retiring after this year?

 

[shortbow]

Manning is by far the best QB of this era... I think it would be hard for me to compare him to other greats that I did not get to watch. But what Manning does and continues to do is mind boggling.Tough to compare anything at this stage other than stats, as they both are proven winners and both have SB's, MVP's and such.Manning through 199 games of his career these are his averages thus far for his career.....-64.8%, 262.67 yards a game, 1.9 tds a game, 0.91 int, 95.5-That average over a season is... 4202.71 yards, 30.4 tds, and 14.56 intsBrady through 136 games of his career there are his averages......-63.4%, 238.57 yards per game, 1.7 tds a game, .75 ints, rate 93.5-that average over the course of a year is.....3,817 yards, 27.2, 12ints, Manning throws a higher completion percentage, throws for more yards, more tds has a better rating and does have more ints..... Both of these guys are great, but Manning should be remembered as the better player.

Its too bad that your probably right even though it isnt true, Brady is gonna go down as the best QB from this era but it will be touted as taking advantage of the 18 game schedule.

Can you elaborate? These guys are one year apart in age... do you see Manning retiring after this year?

After they lose to the pats two more times in the playoffs yes I believe Peyton will retire, and I believe Brady will continue to play. Purely my opinion but I dont think Peyton has much left in him.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

I can see Brady hanging it up in a couple of years. He'll probably jump into politics or go around saving the world or something. Peyton will play into his 40's. He's a lifer.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Manning, and it's not as close as some think. Brady's defense and special teams have bailed him out his entire career. When Brady plays poorly, he still wins because of this. When Manning plays poorly, his team loses since he doesn't have the luxuries Brady has.

 

[kyoun1e]

Manning has the stats, but I'd be curious what Brady would have done with all of Manning's weapons earlier in his career.

While Brady was winning super bowls with the likes of David Givens, David Patten, and other misfits (and no TE to speak of), Manning had the luxury of having consistent great threats throughout. It's only LAST NIGHT that Manning had to, god forbid, work without the likes of Dallas Clark. Boo Hoo.

And then when Brady finally did get the weapons (i.e. Moss and Welker) he went bezerk statistically and came an inch away from a historic season.

Anyone that says "it's manning and it isn't even close" isn't looking closely enough here.

I'll take Brady not just because of the above, but if I need a guy to make a clutch throw in the biggest game of the year, it will be Brady.

Mr. Happy Feet Manning proved last year that in that same spot, he doesn't exactly have ice water in his veins. Not only does Brady have 3 rings to Manning's 1, but Manning also LOST a super bowl.

Brady all day.

And it's not even close.

KY

 

[JohnnyU]

After they lose to the pats two more times in the playoffs yes I believe Peyton will retire, and I believe Brady will continue to play. Purely my opinion but I dont think Peyton has much left in him.

Good lord