Peyton Manning (1 Viewer)

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Peyton once again proving why he is a no brainer to be the number 1 qb selected for the next long while. Where are all those nay sayers yelling bust??? This guy is a lock every season to throw close to 4000 yards and 30 TD's. He is proving why he should be a first round selection based on consistency alone. He never gets hurt and is guaranteed to finish top 5 every single year. He is someone you have on your roster and feel good about every time you submit your line up for the week.He will once again out produce all of those RB's like McGahee who were more then likely drafted ahead of him.I hate starting another Manning thread, but I have to laugh at all of those who were labelling this guy a bust.

 

[Otis]

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

What is the problem Otis????

 

[David Yudkin]

The bust element stems from people that wanted him as a Top 5 pick overall. He's currently the #4 QB but ranks 38th in terms of relative positional value.While his stats may turn out to be close to his more normal numbers, as a Top 5 pick he will prove that taking a QB extra earlier is to be avoided.

 

[Maelstrom]

He could be a LATE first round pick, and I agree that he is someone you can start week in / week out without too much worry. But there are definately RBs that will score LESS points that should be picked ahead of Manning just due to how far they outscore the rest of their position.

I look at the teams in my leagues that draft Manning in the first round, and few of them are doing really well this year so far.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The bust element stems from people that wanted him as a Top 5 pick overall. He's currently the #4 QB but ranks 38th in terms of relative positional value.

While his stats may turn out to be close to his more normal numbers, as a Top 5 pick he will prove that taking a QB extra earlier is to be avoided.

Other then Tomlinson, Alexander and perhaps James. Who else would have went top 5 this year that would have been a better pick?

 

[Otis]

The bust element stems from people that wanted him as a Top 5 pick overall. He's currently the #4 QB but ranks 38th in terms of relative positional value.

While his stats may turn out to be close to his more normal numbers, as a Top 5 pick he will prove that taking a QB extra earlier is to be avoided.

Other then Tomlinson, Alexander and perhaps James. Who else would have went top 5 this year that would have been a better pick?

McGahee? And I still say Priest, assuming you got LJ somewhere down the line.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

He could be a LATE first round pick, and I agree that he is someone you can start week in / week out without too much worry. But there are definately RBs that will score LESS points that should be picked ahead of Manning just due to how far they outscore the rest of their position.

I look at the teams in my leagues that draft Manning in the first round, and few of them are doing really well this year so far.

Agreed, I would never have drafted the guy top 5 this year and feel he is a good late first round pick. But, you can definitely make a convincing argument for picking him top 5.

 

[PsychoMan]

The bust element stems from people that wanted him as a Top 5 pick overall. He's currently the #4 QB but ranks 38th in terms of relative positional value.

While his stats may turn out to be close to his more normal numbers, as a Top 5 pick he will prove that taking a QB extra earlier is to be avoided.

I'm just curious how you figure what relative positional value he has ... I think I understand what you mean ... but how do you do the figuring so he's 38th???

 

[David Yudkin]

The bust element stems from people that wanted him as a Top 5 pick overall.  He's currently the #4 QB but ranks 38th in terms of relative positional value.

While his stats may turn out to be close to his more normal numbers, as a Top 5 pick he will prove that taking a QB extra earlier is to be avoided.

I'm just curious how you figure what relative positional value he has ... I think I understand what you mean ... but how do you do the figuring so he's 38th???

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MannPe00.htmScroll down all the way to the bottom under the Overall Rank. If you click on the 2005 link on the same line, you can see the full list of players.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The bust element stems from people that wanted him as a Top 5 pick overall.  He's currently the #4 QB but ranks 38th in terms of relative positional value.

While his stats may turn out to be close to his more normal numbers, as a Top 5 pick he will prove that taking a QB extra earlier is to be avoided.

Other then Tomlinson, Alexander and perhaps James. Who else would have went top 5 this year that would have been a better pick?

McGahee? And I still say Priest, assuming you got LJ somewhere down the line.

Once McGahee proves to be a consistent fantasy producer such as Manning has done then I would feel a lot safer with that choice. The injury factor with Priest was also definitely a concern. This is my point the consistency factor of Manning makes him a great pick.

Now I think the true value in Manning this year will be where he slipped down to the bottom half of the first round and guys like McGahee, Julius Jones, D. Mcalister and others were drafted before him. I know you can't predict injuries but when you have a consistent fantasy guy who never gets hurt then it seems like a no brainer. This is why I will never ever own M. Vick on any fantasy team in my whole life.

 

[David Yudkin]

The bust element stems from people that wanted him as a Top 5 pick overall.  He's currently the #4 QB but ranks 38th in terms of relative positional value.

While his stats may turn out to be close to his more normal numbers, as a Top 5 pick he will prove that taking a QB extra earlier is to be avoided.

Other then Tomlinson, Alexander and perhaps James. Who else would have went top 5 this year that would have been a better pick?

McGahee? And I still say Priest, assuming you got LJ somewhere down the line.

Once McGahee proves to be a consistent fantasy producer such as Manning has done then I would feel a lot safer with that choice. The injury factor with Priest was also definitely a concern. This is my point the consistency factor of Manning makes him a great pick.

Now I think the true value in Manning this year will be where he slipped down to the bottom half of the first round and guys like McGahee, Julius Jones, D. Mcalister and others were drafted before him. I know you can't predict injuries but when you have a consistent fantasy guy who never gets hurt then it seems like a no brainer. This is why I will never ever own M. Vick on any fantasy team in my whole life.

I think you may be missing the fact that there are guys doing better than Manning drafted rounds and rounds later, as well as guys doing nearly as well that were also drafted late.I would much rather invested a 6th to 8th rounder for the production Peyton has been providing. He's not in a league of his own as many pontificated, and he would have needed to have another monster season to merit a Top 5 pick.

FWIW, Manning has never been the #1 QB using the standard FBG scoring system (4 points per passing TD).

 

[David Yudkin]

Put another way . . .Manning's value so far has been 21 points. (His total vs the #12 QB)Neil Rackers (48 value points) and Jay Feely (27 value points) have been more valuable than Manning so far.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The bust element stems from people that wanted him as a Top 5 pick overall.  He's currently the #4 QB but ranks 38th in terms of relative positional value.

While his stats may turn out to be close to his more normal numbers, as a Top 5 pick he will prove that taking a QB extra earlier is to be avoided.

Other then Tomlinson, Alexander and perhaps James. Who else would have went top 5 this year that would have been a better pick?

McGahee? And I still say Priest, assuming you got LJ somewhere down the line.

Once McGahee proves to be a consistent fantasy producer such as Manning has done then I would feel a lot safer with that choice. The injury factor with Priest was also definitely a concern. This is my point the consistency factor of Manning makes him a great pick.

Now I think the true value in Manning this year will be where he slipped down to the bottom half of the first round and guys like McGahee, Julius Jones, D. Mcalister and others were drafted before him. I know you can't predict injuries but when you have a consistent fantasy guy who never gets hurt then it seems like a no brainer. This is why I will never ever own M. Vick on any fantasy team in my whole life.

I think you may be missing the fact that there are guys doing better than Manning drafted rounds and rounds later, as well as guys doing nearly as well that were also drafted late.I would much rather invested a 6th to 8th rounder for the production Peyton has been providing. He's not in a league of his own as many pontificated, and he would have needed to have another monster season to merit a Top 5 pick.

FWIW, Manning has never been the #1 QB using the standard FBG scoring system (4 points per passing TD).

Yes, but the guys you are taking in the 6th to 8th round are a guessing game and playing the 2 QB match up every week could leave you frusturated as you start a guy and he gets you 9 points while your other QB gets you 27 on your bench. Manning consistently puts up good to great numbers and takes all of that out of the question. Now I have alread conceded to say that I would have trouble myself picking this guy top 5 but he is worth a first round selection until further notice IMO.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Put another way . . .

Manning's value so far has been 21 points. (His total vs the #12 QB)

Neil Rackers (48 value points) and Jay Feely (27 value points) have been more valuable than Manning so far.

Yes, but those guys are a guessing game. Of course I think it is important to draft for value, but I also believe having consistent skilled players at ever position may be just as or even more important then trying to get lucky and play the value game. The last 2 years I have implemented this system and although I am usually week at WR position I feel drafting QB (P. Manning) first round, Second round RB consistent guys like (T. Barber, C. Martin in this spot). Third round tight end (Gates, Gonzalez). 4th round next best available WR is a good way to start a draft. You are drafting consistent fantasy producers that you start every week and fill your skilled postions quite nicely.

 

[cowboy homer]

Put another way . . .

Manning's value so far has been 21 points. (His total vs the #12 QB)

Neil Rackers (48 value points) and Jay Feely (27 value points) have been more valuable than Manning so far.

Value points dont win championships...I always thought that was a terrible argument. I got great value for such and such a guy. Who would you rather start Manning or Feely? Thats why value isnt all what its cracked up to be

 

[Otis]

Put another way . . .

Manning's value so far has been 21 points. (His total vs the #12 QB)

Neil Rackers (48 value points) and Jay Feely (27 value points) have been more valuable than Manning so far.

Value points dont win championships...I always thought that was a terrible argument. I got great value for such and such a guy. Who would you rather start Manning or Feely? Thats why value isnt all what its cracked up to be

You're missing the point. The point is not Manning vs. Feely, but how was the rest of your draft affected by drafting them where you did? If you didn't draft Manning, you could have McGahee in that same spot. If you didn't draft Feely you could have ... Reshard Lee in that spot?

 

[David Yudkin]

Not to beat a horse that's been blugeoned for months, but missing on a late pick is a lot more tolerable than missing on a first round pick.Even though Manning has been consistent, his lack of relative value makes him a tough guy to take first round unless the scoring system really favors QB.There are currently 3 guys outscoring Manning and 6 more under 2 ppg from Manning. That's 9 guys. The odds of hitting on one of those, IMO, were pretty good.

 

[The Mechanic]

Not to beat a horse that's been blugeoned for months, but missing on a late pick is a lot more tolerable than missing on a first round pick.

Even though Manning has been consistent, his lack of relative value makes him a tough guy to take first round unless the scoring system really favors QB.

There are currently 3 guys outscoring Manning and 6 more under 2 ppg from Manning. That's 9 guys. The odds of hitting on one of those, IMO, were pretty good.

I also drafted Manning in the first round, 5 hole, may of not been the BEST pick but by far the safest pick at that time. with njuries always a prob. with RB'S and too soon to take a top WR I was very perplexed with that choice. All in all early on in the year I really doubed that pick but now thing are looking better and only time will tell. I am worried that he gets sat later on in the season for the playofs, other than that he's a SURE bet.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Put another way . . .

Manning's value so far has been 21 points. (His total vs the #12 QB)

Neil Rackers (48 value points) and Jay Feely (27 value points) have been more valuable than Manning so far.

I Rackers

 

[Warsteinner]

#5 QB in my league. Damn I wish I had taken him at 1.3

 

[Doovz]

I am not going to get into the draft position debate. But I do laugh at all the naysayers that thought he was done after his first few weeks. I also laugh at all the people in panic mode that traded him away for crap after the first few weeks. I had all kinds of crappy and mediocre offers sent my way but stayed patient. I remember there was a thread on here about what people were trading for Manning and I shook my head. No way would I have made any of those trades. Especially when you likely used a first round pick for him in the first place.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Peyton once again proving why he is a no brainer to be the number 1 qb selected for the next long while. Where are all those nay sayers yelling bust??? This guy is a lock every season to throw close to 4000 yards and 30 TD's.

He is proving why he should be a first round selection based on consistency alone. He never gets hurt and is guaranteed to finish top 5 every single year. He is someone you have on your roster and feel good about every time you submit your line up for the week.

He will once again out produce all of those RB's like McGahee who were more then likely drafted ahead of him.

I hate starting another Manning thread, but I have to laugh at all of those who were labelling this guy a bust.

You need to compare them to their own position to compare them.

McGahee = 34 pts greater than the 24th RB

Manning = 21 pts greater than the 12th QB

Appears McGahee is the better chioce at this time.

The QBs that could have been had in the 4th round or later that are producing near Manning.....Brady, Eli Manning, Collins, Brunell, Palmer

Your team would have been better if you drafted a WR or RB in the 1st round and got one of those QBs.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Put another way . . .

Manning's value so far has been 21 points. (His total vs the #12 QB)

Neil Rackers (48 value points) and Jay Feely (27 value points) have been more valuable than Manning so far.

Value points dont win championships...I always thought that was a terrible argument. I got great value for such and such a guy. Who would you rather start Manning or Feely? Thats why value isnt all what its cracked up to be

Um...yes they do. Don't just compare Rackers' value to Manning, compare a K and QB combo.

If you had two rounds in your draft and had to draft a QB and K, then Rackers should be picked ahead of Manning.

I know you dont have a draft like that, but drafting with value actually does win championships. Value points is a means to compare players across different positions.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Peyton once again proving why he is a no brainer to be the number 1 qb selected for the next long while.  Where are all those nay sayers yelling bust???  This guy is a lock every season to throw close to 4000 yards and 30 TD's. 

He is proving why he should be a first round selection based on consistency alone.  He never gets hurt and is guaranteed to finish top 5 every single year.  He is someone you have on your roster and feel good about every time you submit your line up for the week.

He will once again out produce all of those RB's like McGahee who were more then likely drafted ahead of him.

I hate starting another Manning thread, but I have to laugh at all of those who were labelling this guy a bust.

You need to compare them to their own position to compare them.

McGahee = 34 pts greater than the 24th RB

Manning = 21 pts greater than the 12th QB

Appears McGahee is the better chioce at this time.

The QBs that could have been had in the 4th round or later that are producing near Manning.....Brady, Eli Manning, Collins, Brunell, Palmer

Your team would have been better if you drafted a WR or RB in the 1st round and got one of those QBs.

Disagree here. If I draft Owens, Moss, Holt, Walker this year am I better off??? Yes, I know you can't predict things like injury or the Owens saga but fact is, Manning is a QB who DOES NOT get injured and produces every year and therefore that also has to be one of the indicators for picking him as well.And at seasons end I am pretty sure that Manning will be more then 21 points up on the 12th QB.

Friday, here is some news for you. Checking our league and looking at your situation of alternating QB's and trying to play the better matchups etc etc you have had a nightmare in picking the right one. Out of 10 weeks so far you have had Plummer and Eli Manning alternating for you until recently where you dropped Plummer and picked up Brunell. Of the 10 weeks so far there was 2 weeks where you had no choice and had to start a specific QB due to bye weeks. That brings us down to 8 games. Of those 8 games you tried to pick the best match up and in doing so you were wrong on 5 of those weeks as your bench QB scored more points then your starting QB for that specific week. Therefore on 3 of those 8 games you were successful. Yes, I see what you are saying but when you have P. Manning you don't have to worry about that because he will get his numbers as he has proven to be the most consistent fantasy QB right now and maybe even in the history of the NFL.

Furthermore, if you draft Manning you don't have to worry about picking up a back up QB until the last rounds are maybe just wait and grab one off of the waiver wire. Therefore this allows you to pick another VALUE pick as you so say and grab a RB like S. Davis in the 10th round because you don't have to worry about picking a back up QB and playing the shuffle all year long. It works 2 ways.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Peyton once again proving why he is a no brainer to be the number 1 qb selected for the next long while. Where are all those nay sayers yelling bust??? This guy is a lock every season to throw close to 4000 yards and 30 TD's.

He is proving why he should be a first round selection based on consistency alone. He never gets hurt and is guaranteed to finish top 5 every single year. He is someone you have on your roster and feel good about every time you submit your line up for the week.

He will once again out produce all of those RB's like McGahee who were more then likely drafted ahead of him.

I hate starting another Manning thread, but I have to laugh at all of those who were labelling this guy a bust.

You need to compare them to their own position to compare them.

McGahee = 34 pts greater than the 24th RB

Manning = 21 pts greater than the 12th QB

Appears McGahee is the better chioce at this time.

The QBs that could have been had in the 4th round or later that are producing near Manning.....Brady, Eli Manning, Collins, Brunell, Palmer

Your team would have been better if you drafted a WR or RB in the 1st round and got one of those QBs.

Disagree here. If I draft Owens, Moss, Holt, Walker this year am I better off??? Yes, I know you can't predict things like injury or the Owens saga but fact is, Manning is a QB who DOES NOT get injured and produces every year and therefore that also has to be one of the indicators for picking him as well.And at seasons end I am pretty sure that Manning will be more then 21 points up on the 12th QB.

Friday, here is some news for you. Checking our league and looking at your situation of alternating QB's and trying to play the better matchups etc etc you have had a nightmare in picking the right one. Out of 10 weeks so far you have had Plummer and Eli Manning alternating for you until recently where you dropped Plummer and picked up Brunell. Of the 10 weeks so far there was 2 weeks where you had no choice and had to start a specific QB due to bye weeks. That brings us down to 8 games. Of those 8 games you tried to pick the best match up and in doing so you were wrong on 5 of those weeks as your bench QB scored more points then your starting QB for that specific week. Therefore on 3 of those 8 games you were successful. Yes, I see what you are saying but when you have P. Manning you don't have to worry about that because he will get his numbers as he has proven to be the most consistent fantasy QB right now and maybe even in the history of the NFL.

Furthermore, if you draft Manning you don't have to worry about picking up a back up QB until the last rounds are maybe just wait and grab one off of the waiver wire. Therefore this allows you to pick another VALUE pick as you so say and grab a RB like S. Davis in the 10th round because you don't have to worry about picking a back up QB and playing the shuffle all year long. It works 2 ways.

Those QBs were drafted in the 8th round or later though and they are near what Manning is producing. You are comparing players who were drafted about 90 players apart, and you are proclaiming that because Manning is consistent and you don't need a backup that it warrants picking him 8 rounds earlier? What pick would you rather have?

QB A averaging 17.83 PPG and drafted in the 8th round

or...

QB B averaging 19.46 PPG and drafted in the first round

I fail to see how QB B can be thought of as the better pick. Those extra 1.63 PPG are not worth taking him 7 rounds earlier.

Instead of taking Manning, I took Moss right before you.

-R. Moss = 39 points greater than the 36th WR

-P. Manning = 21 points greater than the 12th QB.

Even when Moss has been playing hurt and missed time, he still has more value than Manning.

I fail to see how Manning has been the correct chioce?

 

[Bri]

Peyton once again proving why he is a no brainer to be the number 1 qb selected for the next long while. Where are all those nay sayers yelling bust??? This guy is a lock every season to throw close to 4000 yards and 30 TD's.

it's all relativeIf I can get a 4k yard 20-25 TD QB in a later round. Naturally later rounds provide lesser quality players but how much less?Simply put, I'm more comfy drafting a RB. It's easier to find a gem at QB later IMO. Like many, I've done this many times drafting guys like Trent Green(past years) in a later round. If I drafted Peyton in the first, I'd feel like I took away this "ability" to "find" a later round QB gem. Why would I need to if I have him?

 

[Ahmad Rashad]

You need to compare them to their own position to compare them.

McGahee = 34 pts greater than the 24th RB

Manning = 21 pts greater than the 12th QB

Appears McGahee is the better chioce at this time.

The QBs that could have been had in the 4th round or later that are producing near Manning.....Brady, Eli Manning, Collins, Brunell, Palmer

Your team would have been better if you drafted a WR or RB in the 1st round and got one of those QBs.

It depends on your league and scoring system. In the league where I picked Manning in the first round, it rewards heavily for TD's and has very tight rosters. As a first-year dynasty league, converting from redraft, those roster spots are extremely valuable. I'm very happy with the Manning pick now, having only used 1 roster spot for QB except during Manning's bye. Since we can't keep any picks from the first 3 rounds, not having to use any roster space on a QB after round 3 is especially valuable.Despite his slow start, Manning has outscored the 12th QB by over 30 points, and he's only recently been coming on strong. McGahee has outscored the 24th RB by 27, and he's been fading recently. My 8th round RB, Stephen Davis, has outscored McGahee by 15 points. You can't say that about any QB in our league. Only Palmer and McNabb have outscored Manning. No way I'd have predicted Palmer's production, and McNabb will be out several weeks now. My 5th round RB, Larry Johnson, will likely be the top RB from here on out.

So, in this case, I used 1 roster spot for a consistent stud QB who has outscored most of the 1st-round RB's in this scoring system on a relative value basis, and have used the extra roster space to get extra RB's, which allowed me to get Davis and LJ late. Meanwhile, the Culpepper, McNabb, Bulger, Green, and Vick drafters (the next 5 QB's taken) are hurting, with McNabb out and the rest 40+ points behind Manning.

Sure, you can pick out Palmer and say Manning's a bust because a later round pick is outperforming him, but you could do the same with any 1st round RB other than LT, Alexander, and Edge, all of whom are more likely to get injured than Manning. In this league, the 2nd through 6th QB taken are much more busts than Manning has been, even if Manning were taken 1st overall. Drafting Manning allowed me to lock down that position without having to guess which of the later round QB's would outperform expectations and then draft at least 2 of them. That allowed me to use my edge in fantasy football knowledge on later RB's like LJ and Davis. Now I have likely the best keeper in LJ.

Why some people continually pontificate on how Manning was a bad early pick without respect for different leagues' different scoring systems and roster spaces is beyond me. Even with Manning's early disappointments, he's still been a solid 1st round value in my league.

 

[Ahmad Rashad]

If I drafted Peyton in the first, I'd feel like I took away this "ability" to "find" a later round QB gem. Why would I need to if I have him?

This "ability" turns into a "liability" in a league like mine described above. You'd have to use a couple of keepable draft slots and get lucky to get a good QB. Drafting Manning, I was able to use those slots on potential keeper RB gems like Larry Johnson. Stephen Davis in the 8th has also turned out to be a gem for me, as he's been the #8 overall RB in this TD heavy league. Sure, I could have drafted someone like Delhomme in the 8th, but in our league, Manning and Davis have far outscored Delhomme and McGahee (or Priest or Deuce or DD or Julius or KJ). With all the first-round RB busts, why do some insist on picking out Manning as a bust?

 

[Raiders Fan]

I don't think Manning is yet earning his 1st round pick. I got him in a keeper league via trade 3 years ago but I don't think he is there yet. I do feel he will be the man the rest of the way. Call it a hunch but I believe the Colts did this on purpose. They want to show how they can beat you multiple ways to give teams more areas to focus on.. Last year it was only the Manning show. This year its the Manning/James/Harrison show.. I still like him a lot from here on out..

 

[Bri]

If I drafted Peyton in the first, I'd feel like I took away this "ability" to "find" a later round QB gem. Why would I need to if I have him?

This "ability" turns into a "liability" in a league like mine described above. You'd have to use a couple of keepable draft slots and get lucky to get a good QB. Drafting Manning, I was able to use those slots on potential keeper RB gems like Larry Johnson. Stephen Davis in the 8th has also turned out to be a gem for me, as he's been the #8 overall RB in this TD heavy league. Sure, I could have drafted someone like Delhomme in the 8th, but in our league, Manning and Davis have far outscored Delhomme and McGahee (or Priest or Deuce or DD or Julius or KJ). With all the first-round RB busts, why do some insist on picking out Manning as a bust?

I didn't say picking him was a bust just not comfy with it.

 

[Reaper]

Peyton once again proving why he is a no brainer to be the number 1 qb selected for the next long while. Where are all those nay sayers yelling bust??? This guy is a lock every season to throw close to 4000 yards and 30 TD's.

He is proving why he should be a first round selection based on consistency alone. He never gets hurt and is guaranteed to finish top 5 every single year. He is someone you have on your roster and feel good about every time you submit your line up for the week.

He will once again out produce all of those RB's like McGahee who were more then likely drafted ahead of him.

I hate starting another Manning thread, but I have to laugh at all of those who were labelling this guy a bust.

Between this and the Back patting on the Lamont Jordan threads It's not nice to laugh at people - Even the best of us make some good picks and some bad one's - Sheesh even the real Gms do this. I think you would be better off pointing to the exact quotes you're refering to - Were people saying "Bust" - A Bust is a complete loss - or were they talking about relative value?

I hear what you're saying about Manning being more of a "Sure thing" and the value in that -- But, MANY people were all over Carson Palmer like you were on Jordan - Do we want to read all their back patting posts over that? Or their "Laughing" at people who missed out??

And how about the fact that now, that you went QB in round 1 - You're RB choice may be a little more riskier - Maybe you wind up with Kevin Jones or Martin in round 2....

Sounds like you're having just the perfect season ever though, laughing at others mistakes - I guess you went Manning / Jordan wherever you could and that's that.

Me - Like many I do consistently well picking good QB's later.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Peyton once again proving why he is a no brainer to be the number 1 qb selected for the next long while. Where are all those nay sayers yelling bust??? This guy is a lock every season to throw close to 4000 yards and 30 TD's.

He is proving why he should be a first round selection based on consistency alone. He never gets hurt and is guaranteed to finish top 5 every single year. He is someone you have on your roster and feel good about every time you submit your line up for the week.

He will once again out produce all of those RB's like McGahee who were more then likely drafted ahead of him.

I hate starting another Manning thread, but I have to laugh at all of those who were labelling this guy a bust.

Between this and the Back patting on the Lamont Jordan threads It's not nice to laugh at people - Even the best of us make some good picks and some bad one's - Sheesh even the real Gms do this. I think you would be better off pointing to the exact quotes you're refering to - Were people saying "Bust" - A Bust is a complete loss - or were they talking about relative value?

I hear what you're saying about Manning being more of a "Sure thing" and the value in that -- But, MANY people were all over Carson Palmer like you were on Jordan - Do we want to read all their back patting posts over that? Or their "Laughing" at people who missed out??

And how about the fact that now, that you went QB in round 1 - You're RB choice may be a little more riskier - Maybe you wind up with Kevin Jones or Martin in round 2....

Sounds like you're having just the perfect season ever though, laughing at others mistakes - I guess you went Manning / Jordan wherever you could and that's that.

Me - Like many I do consistently well picking good QB's later.

He went Manning, Martin, Gates, Lelie...Jordan was one of two keepers.He picked Martin at 2.02, when Barber was still avialable, now lets ALL laugh in his face for missing out.

It seems Carter_can_fly quietly ignores his misses, yet talks up his hits.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

He picked Martin at 2.02, when Barber was still avialable, now lets ALL laugh in his face for missing out.

That was definitely a rookie move.

 

[Reaper]

He picked Martin at 2.02, when Barber was still avialable, now lets ALL laugh in his face for missing out. 

That was definitely a rookie move.

GUPPY This May need it's own thread...

"I LAUGH AT THE FOOLS THAT DRAFTED MARTIN IN THE 2ND ROUND"

What were they desperate after using a 1st round pick on a QB that they could have had similar value from in round 6?

Honestly - the ONLY guppy / rookie moves are trying to point a spotlight on Yourself while laughing at others as if you have the perfect draft every single time.....

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Honestly - the ONLY guppy / rookie moves are trying to point a spotlight on Yourself while laughing at others as if you have the perfect draft every single time.....

 

[David Yudkin]

I am curious as to how well teams that took Manning in the first (especially early in the first) are doing.In my cut throat shark leagues where Manning went early, the Manning owners are struggling. It may be just a coincidence, but I'm not so sure . . .

 

[bagger.]

Peyton once again proving why he is a no brainer to be the number 1 qb selected for the next long while. Where are all those nay sayers yelling bust??? This guy is a lock every season to throw close to 4000 yards and 30 TD's.

He is proving why he should be a first round selection based on consistency alone. He never gets hurt and is guaranteed to finish top 5 every single year. He is someone you have on your roster and feel good about every time you submit your line up for the week.

He will once again out produce all of those RB's like McGahee who were more then likely drafted ahead of him.

I hate starting another Manning thread, but I have to laugh at all of those who were labelling this guy a bust.

I feel much better starting Brett Favre every week who I drafted in the 7th round, who is outscoring Manning who was drafted in the 1st.But I'm nutty like that.

 

[FF Dude]

I think you may be missing the fact that there are guys doing better than Manning drafted rounds and rounds later, as well as guys doing nearly as well that were also drafted late.

I would much rather invested a 6th to 8th rounder for the production Peyton has been providing. He's not in a league of his own as many pontificated, and he would have needed to have another monster season to merit a Top 5 pick.

FWIW, Manning has never been the #1 QB using the standard FBG scoring system (4 points per passing TD).

Yes, but the guys you are taking in the 6th to 8th round are a guessing game and playing the 2 QB match up every week could leave you frusturated as you start a guy and he gets you 9 points while your other QB gets you 27 on your bench. Manning consistently puts up good to great numbers and takes all of that out of the question. Now I have alread conceded to say that I would have trouble myself picking this guy top 5 but he is worth a first round selection until further notice IMO.

I totally agree with this. My strategy in the first round has always been to draft the most consistent, low risk, injury free player I can get . Sure, I was frustrated with Manning the first few weeks, but if you draft some value later you can still do well.

Answer yourself this question, would you be more upset that you drafted Manning 1.1 right now or that your drafted Culpepper, Moss, Owens, McNabb, KJones, CPortis in the mid to late 2nd? When you draft players with BIG question marks you are definitely getting high risk/high reward. If that is your strategy then so be it. Mine is to not lose the league in the first two rounds but to win it in the rest of the draft and on the waivers. That's been working out just fine for me.

To each his/her own.

 

[bagger.]

I am curious as to how well teams that took Manning in the first (especially early in the first) are doing.

In my cut throat shark leagues where Manning went early, the Manning owners are struggling. It may be just a coincidence, but I'm not so sure . . .

It's not a coincidence.Drafting a QB in the top 3 rounds is fundamentally flawed when drafting the best overall team (not just looking at VBD at a specific point in time).

The earliest I would ever draft a QB now would be the 6th round, and even then he would have to demonstrate some insane value over the other remaining QBs and based on ADP I think he wouldn't last until the 7th.

Quite honestly, with any type of decent projections you should be able to draft a top 8 QB in the 8th round, taking a 2nd QB shortly thereafter as value insurance. Between the two, one will outproduce their draft position.

Meanwhile, the first 7 rounds you have drafted 3 RBs and 4 WRs giving you depth at the two positions that dropoff the fastest in terms of scarcity.

 

[bagger.]

I think you may be missing the fact that there are guys doing better than Manning drafted rounds and rounds later, as well as guys doing nearly as well that were also drafted late.

I would much rather invested a 6th to 8th rounder for the production Peyton has been providing. He's not in a league of his own as many pontificated, and he would have needed to have another monster season to merit a Top 5 pick.

FWIW, Manning has never been the #1 QB using the standard FBG scoring system (4 points per passing TD).

Yes, but the guys you are taking in the 6th to 8th round are a guessing game and playing the 2 QB match up every week could leave you frusturated as you start a guy and he gets you 9 points while your other QB gets you 27 on your bench. Manning consistently puts up good to great numbers and takes all of that out of the question. Now I have alread conceded to say that I would have trouble myself picking this guy top 5 but he is worth a first round selection until further notice IMO.

I totally agree with this. My strategy in the first round has always been to draft the most consistent, low risk, injury free player I can get . Sure, I was frustrated with Manning the first few weeks, but if you draft some value later you can still do well.

Answer yourself this question, would you be more upset that you drafted Manning 1.1 right now or that your drafted Culpepper, Moss, Owens, McNabb, KJones, CPortis in the mid to late 2nd? When you draft players with BIG question marks you are definitely getting high risk/high reward. If that is your strategy then so be it. Mine is to not lose the league in the first two rounds but to win it in the rest of the draft and on the waivers. That's been working out just fine for me.

To each his/her own.

Portis > Manning in terms of FF value.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I am curious as to how well teams that took Manning in the first (especially early in the first) are doing.

In my cut throat shark leagues where Manning went early, the Manning owners are struggling. It may be just a coincidence, but I'm not so sure . . .

I took Peyton 2nd overall. 12 team league. I'm 8-2. RBs I drafted were S Jackson, Cadillac, Barlow (traded for Wayne), Larry Johnson, Moore. Also picked up Gado as a FA. I always end up with a logjam at RB so I wanted to grab a QB early... knowing that I'd be loading up on RBs later. It's worked out fine for me.

 

[Reaper]

I am curious as to how well teams that took Manning in the first (especially early in the first) are doing.

In my cut throat shark leagues where Manning went early, the Manning owners are struggling. It may be just a coincidence, but I'm not so sure . . .

In the 2 redraft leagues I'm in:- an owner took Manning at the 2 spot (12 teams) and his team is just horrible, Done.. His RB's look like a who's who of Garbage RB's 05

- in a 10 team the owner took him at 4 and his team is mediocre - He got Tiki on the swing...and then Rudi Johnson.

I don't see too many Manning owners leading my leagues - The guys who nailed a top RB early and then nabbed a top QB late seem to be WAY ahead of the game and I Laugh at those who grabbed Manning early

 

[ScottNorwood]

I am curious as to how well teams that took Manning in the first (especially early in the first) are doing.

In my cut throat shark leagues where Manning went early, the Manning owners are struggling. It may be just a coincidence, but I'm not so sure . . .

In the 2 redraft leagues I'm in:- an owner took Manning at the 2 spot (12 teams) and his team is just horrible, Done.. His RB's look like a who's who of Garbage RB's 05

- in a 10 team the owner took him at 4 and his team is mediocre - He got Tiki on the swing...and then Rudi Johnson.

I don't see too many Manning owners leading my leagues - The guys who nailed a top RB early and then nabbed a top QB late seem to be WAY ahead of the game and I Laugh at those who grabbed Manning early

Laugh it up, fuzzball.

 

[Reaper]

I am curious as to how well teams that took Manning in the first (especially early in the first) are doing.

In my cut throat shark leagues where Manning went early, the Manning owners are struggling.  It may be just a coincidence, but I'm not so sure . . .

It's not a coincidence.Drafting a QB in the top 3 rounds is fundamentally flawed when drafting the best overall team (not just looking at VBD at a specific point in time).

The earliest I would ever draft a QB now would be the 6th round, and even then he would have to demonstrate some insane value over the other remaining QBs and based on ADP I think he wouldn't last until the 7th.

Quite honestly, with any type of decent projections you should be able to draft a top 8 QB in the 8th round, taking a 2nd QB shortly thereafter as value insurance. Between the two, one will outproduce their draft position.

Meanwhile, the first 7 rounds you have drafted 3 RBs and 4 WRs giving you depth at the two positions that dropoff the fastest in terms of scarcity.

Really, we should let the Manning people have their day in the sun and pump up this Manning theory for all it's worth

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I think you may be missing the fact that there are guys doing better than Manning drafted rounds and rounds later, as well as guys doing nearly as well that were also drafted late.

I would much rather invested a 6th to 8th rounder for the production Peyton has been providing. He's not in a league of his own as many pontificated, and he would have needed to have another monster season to merit a Top 5 pick.

FWIW, Manning has never been the #1 QB using the standard FBG scoring system (4 points per passing TD).

Yes, but the guys you are taking in the 6th to 8th round are a guessing game and playing the 2 QB match up every week could leave you frusturated as you start a guy and he gets you 9 points while your other QB gets you 27 on your bench. Manning consistently puts up good to great numbers and takes all of that out of the question. Now I have alread conceded to say that I would have trouble myself picking this guy top 5 but he is worth a first round selection until further notice IMO.

I totally agree with this. My strategy in the first round has always been to draft the most consistent, low risk, injury free player I can get . Sure, I was frustrated with Manning the first few weeks, but if you draft some value later you can still do well.

Answer yourself this question, would you be more upset that you drafted Manning 1.1 right now or that your drafted Culpepper, Moss, Owens, McNabb, KJones, CPortis in the mid to late 2nd? When you draft players with BIG question marks you are definitely getting high risk/high reward. If that is your strategy then so be it. Mine is to not lose the league in the first two rounds but to win it in the rest of the draft and on the waivers. That's been working out just fine for me.

To each his/her own.

Portis > Manning in terms of FF value.

Currently....Moss, Owens, McNabb > Manning in terms of FF value.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I just feel like I'm better at scouting RBs (finding the late round diamonds in the rough) than I am at scouting middle-late round QBs, so I'd rather take the sure thing QB early and roll the dice on some mid-late round RBs that could pan out. It's not VBD, but it's a better approach for me. It's worked so far this year *knock on wood*.While you guys were grabbing Carson Palmer, I probably would have ended up with Trent Green or someone like that. Give me the safe guy at QB and let me find value at other positions.

 

[Judge Smails]

Our Manning owner was looking like a genius early, as he got Manning/T.O. first two picks, then picked up Mike Anderson, Caddilac, FWP, M. Moore, Barlow, etc. He traded Anderson for Wayne earlier this year, thinking he had plenty of depth. His RB's have sucked since then, with Caddy/FWP, which looked awesome for a brief period, getting him squat. He just traded Barlow as well, and with T.O. gone his team is pretty much Manning. Still 5-4, but his future doesn't look bright.Was a little unlucky though, as his strategy could have won a SB IMO.

 

[bagger.]

I am curious as to how well teams that took Manning in the first (especially early in the first) are doing.

In my cut throat shark leagues where Manning went early, the Manning owners are struggling.  It may be just a coincidence, but I'm not so sure . . .

I took Peyton 2nd overall. 12 team league. I'm 8-2. RBs I drafted were S Jackson, Cadillac, Barlow (traded for Wayne), Larry Johnson, Moore. Also picked up Gado as a FA. I always end up with a logjam at RB so I wanted to grab a QB early... knowing that I'd be loading up on RBs later. It's worked out fine for me.

But you would have had a better team not drafting Manning.

 

[bagger.]

I just feel like I'm better at scouting RBs (finding the late round diamonds in the rough) than I am at scouting middle-late round QBs, so I'd rather take the sure thing QB early and roll the dice on some mid-late round RBs that could pan out.  It's not VBD, but it's a better approach for me.  It's worked so far this year *knock on wood*.

While you guys were grabbing Carson Palmer, I probably would have ended up with Trent Green or someone like that.  Give me the safe guy at QB and let me find value at other positions.

This is fine, as you are admitting that you are leaving value on the table to eliminate risk. There is something to be said for that and I think if more fantasy football players focused on eliminating risk and less on maximizing points with no thought to risk management they would have better teams.I personally think you are giving up too much by drafting Manning early, or at the very least should trade down in the first round (or out of it altogether) to obtain multiple 2nd and/or 3rd and 4th rounds picks, which would enhance your strategy and at least get paid something for your strategy.

The issue with your strategy is relying on getting the breakout RB, and as long as you can identify him and draft him before someone else, it seems to work for you.

I personally think that is a bigger gamble than identifying a later round QB, but if that is the strategy that you like, at least trade down.