Peyton to Follow in Elway's Footsteps? (1 Viewer)

[satch]

Just considering the possibility that Peyton Manning will end his career the same way John Elway did. Come back for one more year, beef up the defense a little more, and turn the focus of the offense over to a workhorse RB in CJA. Manning manages the game expertly, CJ does the heavy lifting, the defense does it's job, and Manning ends his career with a Super Bowl win.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I'm pretty sure that's what they tried to do the past two years. What are you talking about?

 

[jeaton6]

I'm pretty sure that's what they tried to do the past two years. What are you talking about?

They certainly did not in 2013.

 

[satch]

I'm pretty sure that's what they tried to do the past two years. What are you talking about?

In 2013 Peyton Manning threw 659 pass attempts. The 6th most pass attempts all time in a single season. In 2014, Manning threw a mere 597 times.

In John Elway's final season, he made 356 pass attempts. He did miss 3 games though, so it extrapolates to 440 pass attempts. Elway would've had to play 22 games in his final season to match Manning's pass attempts from 2014.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Thought you meant follow Elways steps into the front office.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Yep that - I could see him be a GM one day, much more than a coach.

But a repeat of the Elways double SB run to close out the career? No. They don't have a coaching staff, CJA is Terrell Davis and I'm not sure Davis would have been Davis without Elway and Shanahan, and Manning finally seems to be wearing down.

He could also go broadcast booth like his dad but I'm not sure he can just do the 'aw shux' thing like Archie all day long for years, I sense PM is a control freak and he wants to stay in football.

 

[B Maverick]

Den is angling toward Player/Coach Peyton Manning, I mean everyone already says he is the coach so why not make it official?

 

[FUBAR]

Just considering the possibility that Peyton Manning will end his career the same way John Elway did. Come back for one more year, beef up the defense a little more, and turn the focus of the offense over to a workhorse RB in CJA. Manning manages the game expertly, CJ does the heavy lifting, the defense does it's job, and Manning ends his career with a Super Bowl win.

welcome to February 2014.

How exactly would you suggest they beef up the defense, re-sign the Thomases, and win the Super Bowl next year?

 

[Warrior]

I'm pretty sure that's what they tried to do the past two years. What are you talking about?

In 2013 Peyton Manning threw 659 pass attempts. The 6th most pass attempts all time in a single season. In 2014, Manning threw a mere 597 times.

In John Elway's final season, he made 356 pass attempts. He did miss 3 games though, so it extrapolates to 440 pass attempts. Elway would've had to play 22 games in his final season to match Manning's pass attempts from 2014.

Teams pass WAY more in 2014 than they ever did in Elway's time. Get with the times, pops.

 

[satch]

I'm pretty sure that's what they tried to do the past two years. What are you talking about?

In 2013 Peyton Manning threw 659 pass attempts. The 6th most pass attempts all time in a single season. In 2014, Manning threw a mere 597 times.In John Elway's final season, he made 356 pass attempts. He did miss 3 games though, so it extrapolates to 440 pass attempts. Elway would've had to play 22 games in his final season to match Manning's pass attempts from 2014.

Teams pass WAY more in 2014 than they ever did in Elway's time. Get with the times, pops.

Yeah, that's kind of my point. Might be a good time for Peyton to buck the passing trend, embrace his current skill set, and focus his vast knowledge of the game around a formiddable rushing attack while managing the passing game around it. Just like John Elway did when he was past his prime. Add a strong defense and you've got a recipe for success. That's old school football, son.

 

[satch]

Just considering the possibility that Peyton Manning will end his career the same way John Elway did. Come back for one more year, beef up the defense a little more, and turn the focus of the offense over to a workhorse RB in CJA. Manning manages the game expertly, CJ does the heavy lifting, the defense does it's job, and Manning ends his career with a Super Bowl win.

welcome to February 2014.

How exactly would you suggest they beef up the defense, re-sign the Thomases, and win the Super Bowl next year?

I don't think they should re-sign both Thomases, just Julius as he fits Manning's current skill set perfectly. Let DT and other expensive offensive weapons walk. Use that money on the OL and defense. I'm talking about a complete overhaul of what we've come to expect grom a Manning led offense. Forget all the passing heroics. Focus on running the ball, playing great defense, and let one of the greatest QBs of all time do just enough to win.

 

[Anarchy99]

The issue will be that they have to re-sign or extend a lot of key players. What will Peyton do when they approach him to play for $7-8 million like Brady to keep the guys they have, let alone pursue anyone else?

 

[Catbird]

I think Elway understands the passing game and its needs. They managed pretty well a year ago.

They just have Peyton throwing, who doesn't have the zip he used to on passes and will be bringing less zip and mobility a year further into age decline. That means he'll face more of the clogged middle defenses that have had success against him by forcing him to make longer throws. Add to that an adequate OL and D that were solid, but not really Superbowl caliber and a budget that will be stretched to its limits if they don't let go of either DT or Julius. (I kind of think they'll have to choose between Peyton's salary and JT's, as keeping both pretty much means losing lesser cogs and signing no free agents. They'll trade Welker's production for Latimer's first significant play time, which seems unlikely to be a big net gain this year - maybe some. Then add in learning the approach (and possibly new systems?) of a new head coach and likely both coordinators (more of the same if they keep Gase or Del Rio?) and pretty much knowing it'll be a first time head coach. Then there's the extremely low first draft choice ... I just don't see where the kind of improvement comes from that they'd need for a Superbowl run. Still a very good team, but it will take some massive positive impact from the new coaching staff to overcome all the leakage, which is a lot to ask in a first year together.

I don't blame Elway for trying. They're close enough hat you go for one last leap forward while Peyton might have it in him and they have the talent to be close. I just don't see them having much chance of improvement, which nearly always means falling back instead of leaping forward.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Thought you meant follow Elways steps into the front office.

I thought he meant alcoholism and divorce.

 

[Bri]

Just considering the possibility that Peyton Manning will end his career the same way John Elway did. Come back for one more year, beef up the defense a little more, and turn the focus of the offense over to a workhorse RB in CJA. Manning manages the game expertly, CJ does the heavy lifting, the defense does it's job, and Manning ends his career with a Super Bowl win.

welcome to February 2014.

How exactly would you suggest they beef up the defense, re-sign the Thomases, and win the Super Bowl next year?

Their D is pretty stacked. I don't know exactly how other than somehow coming up with money to add yet another "name" player. Can never have enough top DBs...I don't know.

Peyton was hurt. I don't think he lost too much zip on his passes or any of the negativity here lately. They should have a quality backup QB. Injury talk doesn't have to be publicized so I don't know how much the team knew if he was hurt and how much was "well Peyton at 60% is better than..." but this has been the case Peyton's whole career-he's never had a good NFL backup. He's had Sorgi and some guys that probably are good backups but I mean capable of playing well type backup.

Kubiak won some games and was compared to Frank Reich for a brief period. Jeff Rutledge was a no name the Giants had that was a quality backup as was Hoss. Bulger and Fitzpatrick filled in well IIRC. This is very difficult to get in the NFL. Most people think it's easy but you want a baseball reliever that can be totally cold and come in and pitch a shutout. A guy like Hasselbeck might be able to fill in for a time, now, but I don't see him coming in in a 4th Q and leading a comeback. A week's worth of practice, he can start...he's that type, not the slinger off the bench.

Peyton not having a quality backup is why the Colts are still playing and got Luck. He still doesn't have one in DEN.

I wonder about some of these big armed young QBs and maybe they put the onus on the D and their WR stable.

I don't think they can run all the time and be some Parcellian offense just "like that" against a top team. It's different against a lesser team, but it's too efficient too precision based against a top team. They'll need to pass and use those WRs.

Carson is not a FA, but suppose he didn't re-sign with Arizona. He's thrown to Fitz and Ocho and has a zillion yards in his career and....could he get it done if Peyton is weak? I imagine someone unexpected like that; some veteran we figure signing to be a starter but nope he signs to be Peyton's backup.

Peyton is old, it seems likely he's hurt by next playoffs. I suppose another thought could be to rest him midseason for a few games, but that seems odd.