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PFT Report: Sherman Gets Arizona HC Job (1 Viewer)
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
:honda:
Sorry.
Sorry.
massraider
Footballguy
Eh, I like your thread better anyways.
buck naked
Footballguy
Hiring Mike Sherman really gets your blood pumping!! How exciting.
massraider
Footballguy
A lot of Pack fans were fine with Sherman the coach. It was Sherman the GM they really didn't like.Just playing Devil's Advocate.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, nothing sexy about retreads, but where are the hot coordinators? Whisenhunt, Rivera, who else?Teams seem to be going to college route, that's where the hot names are anyway. Terrible track record too.And don't forget, Belichick was a retread once.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
As Packer fan, I wasn't happy with either. Sherman does not have a presence in the locker room. In Green Bay, the players didn't respect him. This was mentioned by some in the media. Basically, he had 'his guys.' If you were one of his guys, you were going to be on the field. Regardless of how bad you were. Think Cletidus Hunt, Robert Ferguson, and KGB. He is loyal to a fault. Sure, loyalty is cool in the beginning. He'll be a 'player's coach' to start. But as soon as his loyalty starts clouding his judgement, the players will take notice.
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Norm chow...the guy is an offensive genius I mean he coached both palmer and leinart at USC and then young with tenn. A lot of teams are gonna regret not giving him a chance
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yes, Whiz also interviewd in Miami. So far I haven't heard too much about the Oakland job, I wonder if they'll bring Grimm in for an interview.
massraider
Footballguy
Haven't heard his name, this year or last.Whis saying no thanks may have scared them off Pitt assistants as well. Steve Sarkisian has interviewed, and Mike Martz is the latest name I've heard.I'd be shocked if Grimm gets it over Whisenhunt, and pretty shocked as well if the Steelers go out-of -house. I think that job is Whisenhunt's to lose.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
You people are crazy. All Sherman did was have one of the best offenses in the league mulitple years running. And that was with basicly Favre and one good year from Walker. You wait and see. Grab Edge for cheap now. You will thank me later.
Aaronstory said:
As a Packers fan, there was a time I too hated Coach Sherman. But the reality is, he went 9-7, 12-4, 12-4, 10-6 before Sherman the GM destroyed his talent down to 4-12 (thats off the top of my head, so sorry if i missed something). He won the division 3 straight times. His playoff record isnt so hot, but i'll take losing in the playoffs to no playoffs, where Arizona has won what, just once, EVER?As long has he isnt the GM, i'd move up any Cardinal in my draft this next year.Aaronstory
Footballguy
And you're forgetting that Sherman is an old offensive line coach. And you're forgetting the running attatck he designed in 2003. If he can just get one or two servicable lineman, I think Edge will have a huge year.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
NFL is saying he is going back there for another interview but nothing is official yet. Also, ESPN news isn't reporting it yet either. Is this official?
RoarinSonoran
Footballguy
Arizona season wins u7.5 
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
No. It's a PFT report. They've been pretty spot on lately, however.
massraider
Footballguy
From the Arizona Republic:
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/...cardsbreak.html
Former Packers coach Mike Sherman is expected to leave the Valley tonight without an offer to coach the Cardinals, according to NFL sources.
Sherman interviewed with team officials for a second time Thursday, and there were reports that he had been offered the job. Several sources close to the process, however, said that was not the case, although Sherman remains a viable candidate for the job.
Sherman was scheduled tonight to return to Houston, where he is the Texans assistant head coach.
The Cardinals, meanwhile, plan to talk to other candidates on their short list.
Sherman was the first candidate to receive a second interview with the Cardinals, who announced Wednesday they had narrowed a field of eight candidates.
They wouldn’t reveal how many coaches were in the final group or their identities.
Meanwhile, Pittsburgh offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt has a second interview scheduled tomorrow.
I'm surprised that Pittsburgh hasn't closed the deal with Whisenhunt yet.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/...cardsbreak.html
Former Packers coach Mike Sherman is expected to leave the Valley tonight without an offer to coach the Cardinals, according to NFL sources.
Sherman interviewed with team officials for a second time Thursday, and there were reports that he had been offered the job. Several sources close to the process, however, said that was not the case, although Sherman remains a viable candidate for the job.
Sherman was scheduled tonight to return to Houston, where he is the Texans assistant head coach.
The Cardinals, meanwhile, plan to talk to other candidates on their short list.
Sherman was the first candidate to receive a second interview with the Cardinals, who announced Wednesday they had narrowed a field of eight candidates.
They wouldn’t reveal how many coaches were in the final group or their identities.
Meanwhile, Pittsburgh offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt has a second interview scheduled tomorrow.
I'm surprised that Pittsburgh hasn't closed the deal with Whisenhunt yet.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
Edge? Isn't he going to bring Gado with him?
massraider
Footballguy
I'm not a PFT basher at all, but between this story, and the Lombardi/Oakland story, PFT has covered themselves for every possible outcome except Sherman and Lombardi running off together to start a cheerleading camp.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
As a Seahawk fan, I'm happy by the hire. 
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
No offense, but he didn't exactly work wonders with the Houston O line this season. And you'll notice, once again, that the O line is littered with 'his' guys. Flanagan and Chris White are former Packers. Heck, look at that Houston team. Plenty of GB/Sherman outcasts found their way onto that roster. Not a good sign.
coolbeans59
Footballguy
ESPN Radio reported it on my drive back to work from lunch. It wasn't just PFT.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Lately = Last 3 years or so
diesel7982
Footballguy
He caught alot of passes, but his 2004 season was alot "better" and more of a "breakout".
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Not so fast here. Local Pittsburgh radio is saying that Steelers OC Ken Whisenhunt is going back to Arizona for a second interview.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Newest PFT update.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
FWIW the Steelers ae suppose to conduct a second round of interviews as well. I think it is a crock, too.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
You are forgetting one important factor. Edge is not that great anymore. I am not saying he is worthless, but Edge is a mediocre RB now. He used to have good quickness, incredible balance, good power, good vision and could catch and pass block well, but had poor top speed. Excellent all around back. However, the last few years you have seen much less quickness, even less overall top speed and his balance and power of dropped to one level, still very good balance. I think he is mediocre from a fantasy talent level and decent from an NFL standpoint because he is versatile (does the little things). Addai just got on the team and averaged 4.8 YPC and 8.1 per pass. In Edge's last year 2005 with the Colts he averaged 4.2 YPC and 7.7 YPP. Now that is not the only item to look at, but it is telling that Edge just has little explosiveness. You can't really look at the Arizona stats last year as an example because almost all RB's would post weak stats behind that line.Bottom line, I don't think Edge is the player he once was. He is still very worthy of having on an NFL roster, but he is in the middle of the pack with the ball in his hands now.4.8 8.1
This is partially true. 2004 and 2006 look very similar yardage wise and TD wise, but before David Carr imploded, Johnson was easily have his best year.Games 1-11:
84 receptions, 992 yards and 5 TDs or 7.6 receptions, 90.2 yards and 0.45 TDs Per Game
Games 12-16:
19 receptions, 156 yards and 0 TDs or 3.8 receptions, 31.2 yards and 0 TDs Per Game
Also, in 2006, AJ's best game was 152 yards with 0 TDs and never had more than one TD in a game. In those first 11 games, he had 9 games where he had at least 75 yards (the other 2 were above 50 yards) and in PPR leagues, he had 9 of 11 games with 6 or more receptions. He was very consistent until the end.
In 2004, he had a 12 reception, 170 yard, 2TD game. He had 3 other 100 yard games, but many, many more clunkers.
Again, on the surface they look very similar, but until the last 5 games, he was far and away having his best season. In my PPR league, he was the #1 WR for the first half of the season until CJ had his 2 huge games and Colston had his 3 huge games. I am pretty sure he was top 5 until the game 12-16 slide.
The question with AJ for next year is whether or not he stays consistent all year. If you looked at the second half of 2005 after he missed 4 or 5 games to injury, the start to 2006 was not surprising. He averaged almost 7 receptions and 80 yards per game in his last 8 games (Note, I do not count week 17 against SF as to me, they weren't trying to win that one).
massraider
Footballguy
It may be a crock, but it also sounds like PFT looking for a reason to explain why they jumped the gun and named Sherman the guy.
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trader jake
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That's how it felt to me too.diesel7982
Footballguy
Sounds like PFT was dead on:from rotoworld: The Cardinals reportedly were ready to hire Mike Sherman, but balked at his $4 million salary request.If true, we're not sure who comes off more foolish here. The Cardinals possibly losing their choice over $1 million or Sherman for not figuring out how to make it work when he's not likely to get many coaching offers.massraider said:That's how it felt to me too.
massraider
Footballguy
I'm a PFT apologist as much as anyone else, but this is the kind of stuff they pull that turns people off.Make a proclamation that he is the coach.Sounds like PFT was dead on:from rotoworld:massraider said:That's how it felt to me too.
The Cardinals reportedly were ready to hire Mike Sherman, but balked at his $4 million salary request.
If true, we're not sure who comes off more foolish here. The Cardinals possibly losing their choice over $1 million or Sherman for not figuring out how to make it work when he's not likely to get many coaching offers.
Come back, write another piece essentially saying "don't worry, he's the guy."
Come back, after Sherman leaves town, and imply that something must have gone down.
Follow up with a piece quoting an unnamed source, who mocks the idea of a "second interview":
A league source has teed off on that mess in Arizona otherwise known as a professional football team.
On Thursday, the Cardinals brought Texans assistant Mike Sherman in for a "second interview". In NFL circles, "second interview" typically means "job offer". And that's what the players thought was going down.
This is such a juvenile ploy it's absurd, and looks doubly stupid considering almost every other team with vacancies has been conducting multiple interviews with coaches. But Arizona didn't hire the guy that PFT said they would, so they produce the NFL source that claims the Cards can't make a decision, and it was this waffling that allowed Sherman to leave town.
Final report: No inside info, just a report from Foxsports.com's Czarnecki that they use to "vindicate" themselves. They did pick Sherman, like we said, but that cheapo Bidwill wouldn't cough up the money.
Not an all-time horrible blunder from PFT, but I don't see this gaining them many converts. And I'd say "dead on" is a major stretch.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Success. Come on, there are plenty of coaches coaching right now on their first shot. There were more coaches in 2006 on their first job than there were retreads. The first time coaches were Billick, Lewis, Crenell, Kubiak, Del Rio, Saban, Mangini, Cower, Fisher, Mora Jr., Fox, L. Smith, Marinelli, Childress, Payton, Reid, Nolan and Linehan. Lifetime, these coaches are 664-541 for a .551 winning percentage. Not bad. Now for the retreads, which include Jauron, Skeletor, Dungy, Edwards, Belichick, Shell, Shottenheimer, Green, Parcells, Coughlin, Holmgren, Gruden, and Gibbs. If you look at their tenure on their current jobs, these guys are 530-398 for a .571 winning percentage. Sure, there are some lemons among the retreads like Green, but the only guys under .500 on their current trip are Jauron, Shell, Green, Gruden and Gibbs. The rest of these guys are over .500. You try retreads so you can find the Skeletors, Dungys, and Belichicks of the world and avoid the Childresses of the world.Loopdog said:
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
If Arizona hires this clown Sherman, it will be another
step back for a franchise that knows no other direction.
step back for a franchise that knows no other direction.
Eric Stratton
Footballguy
diesel7982
Footballguy
Not that I particularly like Czar, but.....I'm a PFT apologist as much as anyone else, but this is the kind of stuff they pull that turns people off.Make a proclamation that he is the coach.Sounds like PFT was dead on:from rotoworld:That's how it felt to me too.
The Cardinals reportedly were ready to hire Mike Sherman, but balked at his $4 million salary request.
If true, we're not sure who comes off more foolish here. The Cardinals possibly losing their choice over $1 million or Sherman for not figuring out how to make it work when he's not likely to get many coaching offers.
Come back, write another piece essentially saying "don't worry, he's the guy."
Come back, after Sherman leaves town, and imply that something must have gone down.
Follow up with a piece quoting an unnamed source, who mocks the idea of a "second interview":
A league source has teed off on that mess in Arizona otherwise known as a professional football team.
On Thursday, the Cardinals brought Texans assistant Mike Sherman in for a "second interview". In NFL circles, "second interview" typically means "job offer". And that's what the players thought was going down.
This is such a juvenile ploy it's absurd, and looks doubly stupid considering almost every other team with vacancies has been conducting multiple interviews with coaches. But Arizona didn't hire the guy that PFT said they would, so they produce the NFL source that claims the Cards can't make a decision, and it was this waffling that allowed Sherman to leave town.
Final report: No inside info, just a report from Foxsports.com's Czarnecki that they use to "vindicate" themselves. They did pick Sherman, like we said, but that cheapo Bidwill wouldn't cough up the money.
Not an all-time horrible blunder from PFT, but I don't see this gaining them many converts. And I'd say "dead on" is a major stretch.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I'm a PFT apologist as much as anyone else, but this is the kind of stuff they pull that turns people off.Make a proclamation that he is the coach.Sounds like PFT was dead on:from rotoworld:That's how it felt to me too.
The Cardinals reportedly were ready to hire Mike Sherman, but balked at his $4 million salary request.
If true, we're not sure who comes off more foolish here. The Cardinals possibly losing their choice over $1 million or Sherman for not figuring out how to make it work when he's not likely to get many coaching offers.
Come back, write another piece essentially saying "don't worry, he's the guy."
Come back, after Sherman leaves town, and imply that something must have gone down.
Follow up with a piece quoting an unnamed source, who mocks the idea of a "second interview":
A league source has teed off on that mess in Arizona otherwise known as a professional football team.
On Thursday, the Cardinals brought Texans assistant Mike Sherman in for a "second interview". In NFL circles, "second interview" typically means "job offer". And that's what the players thought was going down.
This is such a juvenile ploy it's absurd, and looks doubly stupid considering almost every other team with vacancies has been conducting multiple interviews with coaches. But Arizona didn't hire the guy that PFT said they would, so they produce the NFL source that claims the Cards can't make a decision, and it was this waffling that allowed Sherman to leave town.
Final report: No inside info, just a report from Foxsports.com's Czarnecki that they use to "vindicate" themselves. They did pick Sherman, like we said, but that cheapo Bidwill wouldn't cough up the money.
Not an all-time horrible blunder from PFT, but I don't see this gaining them many converts. And I'd say "dead on" is a major stretch.
Diesel is about as biased a person you will ever come across when it comes to PFT so his credibility on PFT and PFT alone is not reliable. Diesel, you take away from your other postings when you blindly back PFT.
coolnerd
Footballguy
On PFT.com and the Sherman, this is the price of rumor mongering. They are going to be wrong or give details before everything has played out.
On Arizona and Sherman. If I am remembering my facts correctly he is still due to make 3.5million on the last year of his packers contract. Houston picks up some of that tab for him to play teacher to Kubiak, but the point is Sherman is getting a lot of money with minimal job pressure. Did the Bidwells think Sherman was going to take a pay cut out of desparation to be a head coach? If you are the Cardinals you have to know Sherman wants at least what he has in his pocket now.
On Arizona and Sherman. If I am remembering my facts correctly he is still due to make 3.5million on the last year of his packers contract. Houston picks up some of that tab for him to play teacher to Kubiak, but the point is Sherman is getting a lot of money with minimal job pressure. Did the Bidwells think Sherman was going to take a pay cut out of desparation to be a head coach? If you are the Cardinals you have to know Sherman wants at least what he has in his pocket now.
fatness
Footballguy
That's right. What PFT has improved on, especially last year, was clarifying as much as they can who (or in what capacity like "a team source", et.) their sources are, whether it's one or multiple sources, and how certain their sources are about the information. That's a vast improvement on just reporting something they heard, absent any context.
