***PGA Championship*** - Like DJ on wknd, thread fading fast (1 Viewer)

[James Daulton]

Bring back real rough and fast greens for next year's majors please.

That was incredibly entertaining golf, and there's already another major where they aim for a high degree of difficulty. Like I said, for most viewers its a lot more fun to watch the best in the world throw darts at the pin than to watch them make tough up and downs where you're basically relying on the media's account of the difficult nature of the rough and the greens instead of being able to see the players' greatness for yourself. That's my opinion, anyway. I don't see why it's fun to watch a well-hit shot roll off the back of the green. "Oooh, look how short they mowed the grass and how slanted that landscaping is!"

Disagree. I want the majors to be about hitting tight fairways and having to hit precise irons to small areas on the correct side of greens. Reward if you hit a good shot, but penalized if you hit a bad one. If I want to watch pros throw darts at pins from the fairway, rough, and sand, I'll watch any other tourney.

Those fairways were pretty tight.

The fairways were pretty tight, but, for the most part, the rough was not too penal and the greens were very receptive to iron shots. Obviously the course was not easy, but for the winner to shoot 20 under with a bunch of guys in the teens shows it wasn't the most challenging setup for these guys. I'm not saying every tourney has to be tough, just that this year it seemed the majors were "easier" than normal. Give me Bethpage or Oakmont golf.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Bring back real rough and fast greens for next year's majors please.

That was incredibly entertaining golf, and there's already another major where they aim for a high degree of difficulty. Like I said, for most viewers its a lot more fun to watch the best in the world throw darts at the pin than to watch them make tough up and downs where you're basically relying on the media's account of the difficult nature of the rough and the greens instead of being able to see the players' greatness for yourself. That's my opinion, anyway. I don't see why it's fun to watch a well-hit shot roll off the back of the green. "Oooh, look how short they mowed the grass and how slanted that landscaping is!"

Disagree. I want the majors to be about hitting tight fairways and having to hit precise irons to small areas on the correct side of greens. Reward if you hit a good shot, but penalized if you hit a bad one. If I want to watch pros throw darts at pins from the fairway, rough, and sand, I'll watch any other tourney.

I saw plenty of bad shots penalized last week.

I see what you're saying about the other tournaments vs the majors, but the fact is that lots of sports fans only watch the majors and maybe a couple other Sundays a year, and there's already two majors that usually have very difficult scoring conditions and one that's on the same course every year. I actually think they should make the PGA the one that you have to win by going super low, just to give it something to distinguish it.

Also I think these guys are much better at golf than pro golfers were 10 or 20 or 40 years ago, and that's kind of cool to see. I don't want them to just constantly make the sport harder and harder to match the players' (and the equipments') rapid improvement, at some point it's nice to be able to see just how good they've gotten at it.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Bring back real rough and fast greens for next year's majors please.

That was incredibly entertaining golf, and there's already another major where they aim for a high degree of difficulty. Like I said, for most viewers its a lot more fun to watch the best in the world throw darts at the pin than to watch them make tough up and downs where you're basically relying on the media's account of the difficult nature of the rough and the greens instead of being able to see the players' greatness for yourself. That's my opinion, anyway. I don't see why it's fun to watch a well-hit shot roll off the back of the green. "Oooh, look how short they mowed the grass and how slanted that landscaping is!"

Disagree. I want the majors to be about hitting tight fairways and having to hit precise irons to small areas on the correct side of greens. Reward if you hit a good shot, but penalized if you hit a bad one. If I want to watch pros throw darts at pins from the fairway, rough, and sand, I'll watch any other tourney.

Those fairways were pretty tight.

The fairways were pretty tight, but, for the most part, the rough was not too penal and the greens were very receptive to iron shots. Obviously the course was not easy, but for the winner to shoot 20 under with a bunch of guys in the teens shows it wasn't the most challenging setup for these guys. I'm not saying every tourney has to be tough, just that this year it seemed the majors were "easier" than normal. Give me Bethpage or Oakmont golf.

Conditions were really favorable for most of the tournament although Thursday afternoon when the wind picked up the course was really tough. I think the course was set up in a way that penalized bad shots but the almost ideal conditions allowed the top players to be really accurate.

I thought it was pretty stupid for the US Open to become like a British Open by playing a links course this year and I think it would be a bad idea for the PGA to try to become a US Open by working a course so that par is a good score.

 

[urbanhack]

I think the greens at WS are pretty tame considering the rest of the course. They are fairly big and not too undulated, but I've never actually been there.

This is on my list to hit in the next 12 months.

 

[tommyboy]

its only $400. no problem for most FBG's

 

[urbanhack]

its only $400. no problem for most FBG's

i have connections.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Bubba tries to get relief from an ant hill.

Money quote from rules official: "they're not classed as a burrowing animal."

Next he will want relief if he sees a worm casting. Worms are animals and they borrow. Heck many insects burrow. I imagine almost every shot lands next to or on a borrow of some kind, imperceptible though they may be.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Matt Kuchar, Henrik Stenson & Jimmy Walker are in the BGTNWAM conversation.

Does Walker ever play good after they leave the west coast? Seems like every year he leads the FedEx in February & then doesn't do jack ####.

I don't see this group being in the conversation. Kuchar is a check-casher. Stenson and Walker are decent players but no way do they belong in the BGTNWAM discussion.

 

[tommyboy]

Stenson had one of the best seasons ever, hes definitely in the conversation

 

[James Daulton]

Bring back real rough and fast greens for next year's majors please.

That was incredibly entertaining golf, and there's already another major where they aim for a high degree of difficulty. Like I said, for most viewers its a lot more fun to watch the best in the world throw darts at the pin than to watch them make tough up and downs where you're basically relying on the media's account of the difficult nature of the rough and the greens instead of being able to see the players' greatness for yourself. That's my opinion, anyway. I don't see why it's fun to watch a well-hit shot roll off the back of the green. "Oooh, look how short they mowed the grass and how slanted that landscaping is!"

Disagree. I want the majors to be about hitting tight fairways and having to hit precise irons to small areas on the correct side of greens. Reward if you hit a good shot, but penalized if you hit a bad one. If I want to watch pros throw darts at pins from the fairway, rough, and sand, I'll watch any other tourney.

I saw plenty of bad shots penalized last week.

I see what you're saying about the other tournaments vs the majors, but the fact is that lots of sports fans only watch the majors and maybe a couple other Sundays a year, and there's already two majors that usually have very difficult scoring conditions and one that's on the same course every year. I actually think they should make the PGA the one that you have to win by going super low, just to give it something to distinguish it.

Also I think these guys are much better at golf than pro golfers were 10 or 20 or 40 years ago, and that's kind of cool to see. I don't want them to just constantly make the sport harder and harder to match the players' (and the equipments') rapid improvement, at some point it's nice to be able to see just how good they've gotten at it.

These are all solid points.

 

[James Daulton]

Bring back real rough and fast greens for next year's majors please.

That was incredibly entertaining golf, and there's already another major where they aim for a high degree of difficulty. Like I said, for most viewers its a lot more fun to watch the best in the world throw darts at the pin than to watch them make tough up and downs where you're basically relying on the media's account of the difficult nature of the rough and the greens instead of being able to see the players' greatness for yourself. That's my opinion, anyway. I don't see why it's fun to watch a well-hit shot roll off the back of the green. "Oooh, look how short they mowed the grass and how slanted that landscaping is!"

Disagree. I want the majors to be about hitting tight fairways and having to hit precise irons to small areas on the correct side of greens. Reward if you hit a good shot, but penalized if you hit a bad one. If I want to watch pros throw darts at pins from the fairway, rough, and sand, I'll watch any other tourney.

Those fairways were pretty tight.

The fairways were pretty tight, but, for the most part, the rough was not too penal and the greens were very receptive to iron shots. Obviously the course was not easy, but for the winner to shoot 20 under with a bunch of guys in the teens shows it wasn't the most challenging setup for these guys. I'm not saying every tourney has to be tough, just that this year it seemed the majors were "easier" than normal. Give me Bethpage or Oakmont golf.

Conditions were really favorable for most of the tournament although Thursday afternoon when the wind picked up the course was really tough. I think the course was set up in a way that penalized bad shots but the almost ideal conditions allowed the top players to be really accurate.

I thought it was pretty stupid for the US Open to become like a British Open by playing a links course this year and I think it would be a bad idea for the PGA to try to become a US Open by working a course so that par is a good score.

Good points as well. Why I don't want the pga to have even win, I'd rather see something like -10 win it. But you are correct that the players did struggle when the wind blew. And conditions were ideal over the weekend. "These guys are good!"

 

[Dark Matter]

I think the greens at WS are pretty tame considering the rest of the course. They are fairly big and not too undulated, but I've never actually been there.

This is on my list to hit in the next 12 months.

I haven't played WS either but I bet they are tough to read. Pete Dye is a master at contouring greens that create an optical illusion. Looks like they break one way but when you go to the other side of the hole it might break the opposite.

 

[Zow]

What happened to Matsuyama?

what do you mean?

 

[Zow]

Matt Kuchar, Henrik Stenson & Jimmy Walker are in the BGTNWAM conversation.

Does Walker ever play good after they leave the west coast? Seems like every year he leads the FedEx in February & then doesn't do jack ####.

I don't see this group being in the conversation. Kuchar is a check-casher. Stenson and Walker are decent players but no way do they belong in the BGTNWAM discussion.

I don't agree with any of this. All three of those guys belong in the conversation. I think DJ is the best currently, but there are several considerations.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Matt Kuchar, Henrik Stenson & Jimmy Walker are in the BGTNWAM conversation.

Does Walker ever play good after they leave the west coast? Seems like every year he leads the FedEx in February & then doesn't do jack ####.

I don't see this group being in the conversation. Kuchar is a check-casher. Stenson and Walker are decent players but no way do they belong in the BGTNWAM discussion.

I don't agree with any of this. All three of those guys belong in the conversation. I think DJ is the best currently, but there are several considerations.

I know he's polarizing, but Sergio most definitely deserves to be in this conversation, as well.

 

[Zow]

Bring back real rough and fast greens for next year's majors please.

That was incredibly entertaining golf, and there's already another major where they aim for a high degree of difficulty. Like I said, for most viewers its a lot more fun to watch the best in the world throw darts at the pin than to watch them make tough up and downs where you're basically relying on the media's account of the difficult nature of the rough and the greens instead of being able to see the players' greatness for yourself. That's my opinion, anyway. I don't see why it's fun to watch a well-hit shot roll off the back of the green. "Oooh, look how short they mowed the grass and how slanted that landscaping is!"

Disagree. I want the majors to be about hitting tight fairways and having to hit precise irons to small areas on the correct side of greens. Reward if you hit a good shot, but penalized if you hit a bad one. If I want to watch pros throw darts at pins from the fairway, rough, and sand, I'll watch any other tourney.

This argument is silly every time I hear it.

Guys are getting better. Equipment is getting better. The majors where guys are going low have been filled with leaderboards with the best players in the world. It's dumb to suggest a course should be tougher because that'll bring in too much of a luck element to it. I'd much rather see tourneys where guys like Day, Spieth, and Rose are battling it out rather than see Shaun Micheel or Paul Lawrie win it.

 

[Zow]

Matt Kuchar, Henrik Stenson & Jimmy Walker are in the BGTNWAM conversation.

Does Walker ever play good after they leave the west coast? Seems like every year he leads the FedEx in February & then doesn't do jack ####.

I don't see this group being in the conversation. Kuchar is a check-casher. Stenson and Walker are decent players but no way do they belong in the BGTNWAM discussion.

I don't agree with any of this. All three of those guys belong in the conversation. I think DJ is the best currently, but there are several considerations.

I know he's polarizing, but Sergio most definitely deserves to be in this conversation, as well.

Yep. And Fowler and Stricker. Maybe Bill Haas too.

 

[tommyboy]

Bring back real rough and fast greens for next year's majors please.

That was incredibly entertaining golf, and there's already another major where they aim for a high degree of difficulty. Like I said, for most viewers its a lot more fun to watch the best in the world throw darts at the pin than to watch them make tough up and downs where you're basically relying on the media's account of the difficult nature of the rough and the greens instead of being able to see the players' greatness for yourself. That's my opinion, anyway. I don't see why it's fun to watch a well-hit shot roll off the back of the green. "Oooh, look how short they mowed the grass and how slanted that landscaping is!"

Disagree. I want the majors to be about hitting tight fairways and having to hit precise irons to small areas on the correct side of greens. Reward if you hit a good shot, but penalized if you hit a bad one. If I want to watch pros throw darts at pins from the fairway, rough, and sand, I'll watch any other tourney.

This argument is silly every time I hear it.

Guys are getting better. Equipment is getting better. The majors where guys are going low have been filled with leaderboards with the best players in the world. It's dumb to suggest a course should be tougher because that'll bring in too much of a luck element to it. I'd much rather see tourneys where guys like Day, Spieth, and Rose are battling it out rather than see Shaun Micheel or Paul Lawrie win it.

well said

 

[Zow]

I think the greens at WS are pretty tame considering the rest of the course. They are fairly big and not too undulated, but I've never actually been there.

This is on my list to hit in the next 12 months.

I haven't played WS either but I bet they are tough to read. Pete Dye is a master at contouring greens that create an optical illusion. Looks like they break one way but when you go to the other side of the hole it might break the opposite.

My brother in law (who is a 4 handicap) played there a few times for junior golf championships. He said WS is one of the hardest courses he's ever played and he can barely believe the low numbers we saw this weekend. These guys are just that damn good.

 

[Zow]

What did DJ end up doing from the shoreline on 17? I was watching on DVR and either FF'd past it, or CBS never showed it.

Really nice flop shot up to like 25 feet. Made bogey.

Thanks. BTW, was that a mannequin down by the rocks? Guy never moved when the ball landed there, just kept staring out at the lake. Didn't seem to be a spotter, so I assumed it was just some guy out for a walk.

I just don't think he knew the ball landed by him. I think his job was to keep the boaters at bay.

 

[tommyboy]

re; Stenson

On 22 September 2013, Stenson won The Tour Championship at East Lake Golf Club and the FedEx Cup.[21] He also tied his career best OWGR ranking of 4th.

He then moved up to a career best 3rd in the OWGR ranking on 3 November 2013.[22] He finished the 2013 season ranked first on the PGA Tour in greens in regulation, first in ball striking, second among money leaders, third in total driving, fourth in scoring average, and seventh in driving accuracy percentage.[23]

On 17 November 2013, he won the DP World Tour Championship, Dubai, thereby also winning the Race to Dubai which he was already leading. Having already won the FedEx Cup Series in September, he thus became the first player to win the FedEx Cup on the PGA Tour and the European Tour's Race to Dubai, and to do so in the same season,[1][2] a 'historic double'.[3][4]Stenson described his feat as a 'double-double' because in the process of winning these two seasonal points crowns, he also won the season finales of both tours (the Tour Championshipand the DP World Tour Championship, Dubai).[5] He was later named European Tour Golfer of the Year.[24]

In May 2014, Stenson reached a career high ranking of number two in the world, trailing only Adam Scott. Over the course of 2014, Stenson achieved career-best finishes at the Masters (T14) and U.S. Open (T4) while tying a career-best finish at the PGA Championship (T3).

 

[kOOk]

Day's chunk on 9 is still pretty crazy to think about. Of all the shots he would feel the pressure on, that would be one of the least likely.

Especially given his perfect drive. I'm thinking maybe the goid drive actualky led him to relax too much and he got lazy with his hands.

So you're saying his hands weren't activating on that particular shot due to his previous shot. Makes sense.

 

[TakiToki]

Raw scoring is overblown. Make the course a par 70 by playing a couple par 5s as par 4s and Day is -12 playing an identical course.

Wish I had some data to support, but my guess is that the scoring distribution is a better reflection of a course rewarding great shots and penalizing poor shots.

 

[heckmanm]

What did DJ end up doing from the shoreline on 17? I was watching on DVR and either FF'd past it, or CBS never showed it.

Really nice flop shot up to like 25 feet. Made bogey.

Thanks. BTW, was that a mannequin down by the rocks? Guy never moved when the ball landed there, just kept staring out at the lake. Didn't seem to be a spotter, so I assumed it was just some guy out for a walk.

I just don't think he knew the ball landed by him. I think his job was to keep the boaters at bay.

Could be. The total lack of movement or acknowledgment that he nearly got plunked just struck me as funny.

 

[encaitar]

Raw scoring is overblown. Make the course a par 70 by playing a couple par 5s as par 4s and Day is -12 playing an identical course.

Wish I had some data to support, but my guess is that the scoring distribution is a better reflection of a course rewarding great shots and penalizing poor shots.

David Toms won the 2001 PGA with an aggregate score of 265. Day just shot a 268. Making it a par 70 instead of a 72 just so it doesn't look as easy doesn't really change anything. I like like tourneys where shot making gets rewarded anyway.

 

[Zow]

Day's chunk on 9 is still pretty crazy to think about. Of all the shots he would feel the pressure on, that would be one of the least likely.

Especially given his perfect drive. I'm thinking maybe the goid drive actualky led him to relax too much and he got lazy with his hands.

So you're saying his hands weren't activating on that particular shot due to his previous shot. Makes sense.

That's nowhere near what I'm saying.

ETA: Admittedly, my typos were pretty bad since I was typing that on my phone while half paying attention.

 

[Apple Jack]

yeah, i don't like when venues/setups lead to records that were better performances falling. but it's going to happen. sometimes deliberately in the name of increasing interest in the game.

avg score to par at this years PGA 72.77

Whistling Straight 7507 yards, 151 slope rating.

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or are you seriously quoting the yardage off the card and a measurement for how bogey golfers would score on this course to make a point about the difficulty of a Major venue? And is that scoring average before or after all the club professionals got cut?

ETA: For the record, I didn't see anything but the last couple shots on Sunday. For all I know it was the BEST EVER.

 

[Apple Jack]

Day's chunk on 9 is still pretty crazy to think about. Of all the shots he would feel the pressure on, that would be one of the least likely.

Especially given his perfect drive. I'm thinking maybe the goid drive actualky led him to relax too much and he got lazy with his hands.

So you're saying his hands weren't activating on that particular shot due to his previous shot. Makes sense.

That's nowhere near what I'm saying.

ETA: Admittedly, my typos were pretty bad since I was typing that on my phone while half paying attention.

You posted that while driving didn't you?

 

[tommyboy]

yeah, i don't like when venues/setups lead to records that were better performances falling. but it's going to happen. sometimes deliberately in the name of increasing interest in the game.

avg score to par at this years PGA 72.77

Whistling Straight 7507 yards, 151 slope rating.

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing, or are you seriously quoting the yardage off the card and a measurement for how bogey golfers would score on this course to make a point about the difficulty of a Major venue? And is that scoring average before or after all the club professionals got cut?

ETA: For the record, I didn't see anything but the last couple shots on Sunday. For all I know it was the BEST EVER.

Dude.

 

[Apple Jack]

The difficulty for the best players in the world, who regularly hit straight 300+ yard drives and accurate 220 yd 5-irons that land like wedges, is typically in the setup and weather, not what is on the scorecard. And the rating would be much more applicable to these guys than the slope.

 

[belljr]

you didn't watch but are arguing the course setup

Awesome

 

[Apple Jack]

you didn't watch but are arguing the course setup

Awesome

I've seen a tournament or two before. Have even helped set line of play for an LPGA event. The first couple pages of the leader board tell you more about how gettable a setup is than anything on the card.

And I'm just speaking generally. I said for all I know it was the best ever.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

A) the entire field had a historic week, all at the same time.

B) the course allowed fantastic scoring.

This really shouldn't be hard.

 

[chet]

A) the entire field had a historic week, all at the same time.

B) the weather allowed fantastic scoring.

This really shouldn't be hard.

fyp

 

[Guest]

Day's chunk on 9 is still pretty crazy to think about. Of all the shots he would feel the pressure on, that would be one of the least likely.

Especially given his perfect drive. I'm thinking maybe the goid drive actualky led him to relax too much and he got lazy with his hands.

So you're saying his hands weren't activating on that particular shot due to his previous shot. Makes sense.

That's nowhere near what I'm saying.

ETA: Admittedly, my typos were pretty bad since I was typing that on my phone while half paying attention.

I think he hit one of Bubba's ant hills.

 

[Apple Jack]

Have to give Bubba credit for trying to make the case for an ant being a burrowing animal.

 

[BassNBrew]

A) the entire field had a historic week, all at the same time.

B) the weather allowed fantastic scoring.

This really shouldn't be hard.

fyp

Last time they were at this Muny course you guys were making the same argument. The "tough" reputation of this course has been way over hyped.

 

[Zow]

Day's chunk on 9 is still pretty crazy to think about. Of all the shots he would feel the pressure on, that would be one of the least

likely.

Especially given his perfect drive. I'm thinking maybe the goid drive actualky led him to relax too much and he got lazy with his hands.

So you're saying his hands weren't activating on

that particular shot due to his previous shot. Makes sense.

That's nowhere near what I'm saying. ETA: Admittedly, my typos were pretty bad since I was typing that on my phone while half paying

attention.

You posted that while driving didn't you?

You know it. Was going about 80.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Stenson had one of the best seasons ever, hes definitely in the conversation

Agreed. He might be the one actually.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Stenson had one of the best seasons ever, hes definitely in the conversation

Agreed. He might be the one actually.

Stenson has only won 4 times on the PGA tour and has 9 Top 10s in majors over a 14 year career.

Dustin Johnson has won 9 times on the PGA tour and has 10 Top 10s in majors over a 8 year career.

 

[culdeus]

So we've reached the part of the thread where people whine about the low scores to par.

They should just make everything a par 68. That would fix it.

 

[grateful zed]

re; Stenson

On 22 September 2013, Stenson won The Tour Championship at East Lake Golf Club and the FedEx Cup.[21] He also tied his career best OWGR ranking of 4th.

He then moved up to a career best 3rd in the OWGR ranking on 3 November 2013.[22] He finished the 2013 season ranked first on the PGA Tour in greens in regulation, first in ball striking, second among money leaders, third in total driving, fourth in scoring average, and seventh in driving accuracy percentage.[23]

On 17 November 2013, he won the DP World Tour Championship, Dubai, thereby also winning the Race to Dubai which he was already leading. Having already won the FedEx Cup Series in September, he thus became the first player to win the FedEx Cup on the PGA Tour and the European Tour's Race to Dubai, and to do so in the same season,[1][2] a 'historic double'.[3][4]Stenson described his feat as a 'double-double' because in the process of winning these two seasonal points crowns, he also won the season finales of both tours (the Tour Championshipand the DP World Tour Championship, Dubai).[5] He was later named European Tour Golfer of the Year.[24]

In May 2014, Stenson reached a career high ranking of number two in the world, trailing only Adam Scott. Over the course of 2014, Stenson achieved career-best finishes at the Masters (T14) and U.S. Open (T4) while tying a career-best finish at the PGA Championship (T3).

what about westwood?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

re; Stenson

On 22 September 2013, Stenson won The Tour Championship at East Lake Golf Club and the FedEx Cup.[21] He also tied his career best OWGR ranking of 4th.

He then moved up to a career best 3rd in the OWGR ranking on 3 November 2013.[22] He finished the 2013 season ranked first on the PGA Tour in greens in regulation, first in ball striking, second among money leaders, third in total driving, fourth in scoring average, and seventh in driving accuracy percentage.[23]

On 17 November 2013, he won the DP World Tour Championship, Dubai, thereby also winning the Race to Dubai which he was already leading. Having already won the FedEx Cup Series in September, he thus became the first player to win the FedEx Cup on the PGA Tour and the European Tour's Race to Dubai, and to do so in the same season,[1][2] a 'historic double'.[3][4]Stenson described his feat as a 'double-double' because in the process of winning these two seasonal points crowns, he also won the season finales of both tours (the Tour Championshipand the DP World Tour Championship, Dubai).[5] He was later named European Tour Golfer of the Year.[24]

In May 2014, Stenson reached a career high ranking of number two in the world, trailing only Adam Scott. Over the course of 2014, Stenson achieved career-best finishes at the Masters (T14) and U.S. Open (T4) while tying a career-best finish at the PGA Championship (T3).

what about westwood?

His best days are obviously behind him right now and while he had a lot of success in Europe the fact is he only won twice on the PGA tour. He did finish runner up at both the Masters & British Open in 2010 and has 2 3rd place finishes at the US Open and 1 3rd place finish at the PGA. Overall he has 17 top 10 finishes in majors but it really is shocking he has only won twice on the PGA tour.

I guess is all comes down to how you want to define best player to never win a major. Do you want to look at total career or the player that has performed the best in the past and is also now the best player on tour without a major.

 

[tommyboy]

stenson still seems to have a chance, where i never once thought westwood did. I mean, he did, but I never felt like he had the killer instinct to get over the top

 

[kOOk]

Day's chunk on 9 is still pretty crazy to think about. Of all the shots he would feel the pressure on, that would be one of the least likely.

Especially given his perfect drive. I'm thinking maybe the goid drive actualky led him to relax too much and he got lazy with his hands.

So you're saying his hands weren't activating on that particular shot due to his previous shot. Makes sense.

That's nowhere near what I'm saying.

So what were you saying? The previous shot affected his hands for some reason is how I read it.

 

[mr roboto]

re; Stenson

On 22 September 2013, Stenson won The Tour Championship at East Lake Golf Club and the FedEx Cup.[21] He also tied his career best OWGR ranking of 4th.

He then moved up to a career best 3rd in the OWGR ranking on 3 November 2013.[22] He finished the 2013 season ranked first on the PGA Tour in greens in regulation, first in ball striking, second among money leaders, third in total driving, fourth in scoring average, and seventh in driving accuracy percentage.[23]

On 17 November 2013, he won the DP World Tour Championship, Dubai, thereby also winning the Race to Dubai which he was already leading. Having already won the FedEx Cup Series in September, he thus became the first player to win the FedEx Cup on the PGA Tour and the European Tour's Race to Dubai, and to do so in the same season,[1][2] a 'historic double'.[3][4]Stenson described his feat as a 'double-double' because in the process of winning these two seasonal points crowns, he also won the season finales of both tours (the Tour Championshipand the DP World Tour Championship, Dubai).[5] He was later named European Tour Golfer of the Year.[24]

In May 2014, Stenson reached a career high ranking of number two in the world, trailing only Adam Scott. Over the course of 2014, Stenson achieved career-best finishes at the Masters (T14) and U.S. Open (T4) while tying a career-best finish at the PGA Championship (T3).

what about westwood?

Hell Luke Donald had a great stretch too. Lots of players have small great stretches.

 

[gump]

You guys are still arguing about this. Sergio is the perfect example of BPTNWaM. The perfect combo of being around a long time, having several heart breaks, and still being close to his prime. He's a much bigger disappointment than anyone without a major who's still good.

He's won roughly twice as many tournaments, twice as much money, and been around twice as long as DJ...and he's currently 3 spots behind him in the WGR.

He's also the international playboy earning millions in endorsements worldwide, who burst on the scene as a 19-year-old dueling Tiger Woods. 16 years later...nothing.

 

[belljr]

I'll take Sergio career. .. i bet he bangs hot chicks constantly

 

[Zow]

I'll take Sergio career. .. i bet he bangs hot chicks constantly

Yeah but we know dj bangs hot chicks constantly.

 

[chet]

I'll take Sergio career. .. i bet he bangs hot chicks constantly

Yeah but we know dj bangs a hot chick_ __________and does a lot of drugs

fyp